O/T: Such A Deal

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:06:03 -0700, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Such a deal from the RNC, home of Family_Values.
>
>Call toll free:
>
>1-800-Bondage
>Or:
>1-800-Sex-Games
>
Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
belonged to.

See http://www.google.com/search?q=democrat+moral+scandal for
21,800,000 hits. Repugs have only 14.2mil.

See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite for a portrait
of your high horse. <tsk tsk tsk>

--
In order that people may be happy in their work, these three things are
needed: They must be fit for it. They must not do too much of it. And
they must have a sense of success in it.
-- John Ruskin, Pre-Raphaelitism, 1850

On Apr 6, 11:49=A0am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/6/2010 10:17 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > D'ohBoy wrote:
>
> >>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
> >>> belonged to.
>
> >> Hey Lew -
>
> >> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>
> > Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be cal=
led a
> > sex act.
>
> > Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?
>
> > While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things abov=
e the
> > neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.
>
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The big difference between the R
> and D politicians is that the Rs end up looking like hypocrites
> because they lecture everyone on topics of moral rectitude while doing
> the very same things themselves.

Ayup.


> The D politicians don't have that
> problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
> wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs,>>> like Repub=
licans<<<<< they're
> merely being consistent with their worldview.
>

There, fixed it for you.

On Apr 6, 11:17=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things above =
the
> neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.


I tend to agree with you but it's like I have been telling my teenage
son, God blessed us men with two heads. The problem is that blood
only flows to one at a time and it is up to you to determine which one
gets the blood.

Actually, money, power, , drugs/alcohol, and sex is the downfall of a
lot of people. I don't think any political party nor race nor social
class is more or less prone to these vices--they are all equal
opportunity destroyers.

Whenever somebody paints an entire group of people based upon the
action of one individual, it tends to color the painter, too.

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:55:21 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
>And thanks for the invective. It's always nice to watch people who have
>to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
>counterpoint.

No dummy, you don't understand. You really are an asshole and that
gives everybody who swears at you all the rationalization they need.

On Apr 7, 2:10=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "LDosser" <L...@inv=
alid.invalid> wrote:
> >"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:247c87a1-a06e-4f98-8a03-c0c835f64abb@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com..=
.
> >There, fixed it for you.
>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-- --
> >Pretty childish.
>
> Consider the source.

Yea, Tim goes that way sometimes.
But we all know who's who in here and what the value of their comments
is.

"Robatoy" wrote:

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... did you just start another one of
them threads? Huh? HUH?...
--------------------------------------------
Who?

Me?

Lew

On Apr 8, 9:57=A0am, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > *I* won't be calling busbus anything as there are several components
> > missing in his post: He's not sanctimonious, condescending nor is he
> > trying to baffle anybody with big words. Busbus states his position on
> > its merits and not by torching and belittling opposite views. IOW, he
> > has class.
>
> Holy Fuck!!!
>

Jack is a liberal, forgive his cussing.

On Apr 6, 2:00=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> The key lies in the recognition that 'sides' must exist to keep us
> occupied lest we all wake up and revolt.


That's actually kinda funny.

On Apr 6, 1:06=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Such a deal from the RNC, home of Family_Values.
>
> Call toll free:
>
> 1-800-Bondage
> Or:
> 1-800-Sex-Games
>
> Lew

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyy... did you just start another one of
them threads? Huh? HUH?...

On Apr 7, 10:55=A0am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:


> =A0It's always nice to watch people who have
> to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
> counterpoint.
>

You just keep on hiding under that illusion. Somebody calling you an
asshole by using that word does not make it untrue because that word
was used.
When I have a valid counterpoint, I will express any it fucking way I
want. If you want to plug your ears and cover your eyes in a "you
can't seeee meeee" fashion, go for it. My selection of words doesn't
disqualify the truth therein. You are an asshole, Tim.

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:09:01 -0500, Tim Daneliuk

>Right. I don't support stealing, the people who do, or the politicians
>that are their hired thugs. My failings are personal and do not generally
>cause harm to my fellow citizens. I also do not expect everyone around
>me to pick up the tab for my mistakes. This is called being a "grown up".

That's calling you a liar. You've stated publicly that you'll support
that stealing if it benefits you? You've stated publicly that you'll
try to take from the system. You call that grown up? You're not man
enough to live up to your very own words.

On Apr 6, 12:56=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The D politicians don't have that
> > problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
> > wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs,>>> like Rep=
ublicans<<<<< they're
> > merely being consistent with their worldview.
>
> There, fixed it for you.


Wow. Seriously: this is getting out of hand. Insults are flying
around this group from both sides and it makes everybody seem like
they are in the third grade. Somebody else asked the question: What
in the hell are we coming to? I know it was on a somewhat different
topic but the rhetoric is such that nobody is permitted to have a
different point of view. And it seems like neither side has the
decency to just stop the pot shots.

Who the hell cares if we all agree? Do we have to all agree? Isn't
it *stupid* to think that everybody will always agree? What a boring
life it would be to be! Sort of like people fighting about using
corded tools vs. only hand tools vs. something in-between.

Opinions are like noses: everybody has a different one.

This used to be an incredibly congenial group and now people are at
each other's throats over political idealogy. Can we just get back to
what this group is intended for? I know I contribute much more to
these OT things but thta is because I am still really wet behind the
ears as far as woodworking goes. I would like to read things here
that I can put to practical use whenver I try to hack some wood.

And I don't care if the suggesitons come from the right or the left or
the top or the bottom or out of nowhere.

On 4/7/2010 11:47 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 7, 10:55 am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> It's always nice to watch people who have
>> to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
>> counterpoint.
>>
>
> You just keep on hiding under that illusion. Somebody calling you an
> asshole by using that word does not make it untrue because that word
> was used.
> When I have a valid counterpoint, I will express any it fucking way I
> want.

Which is to say, never...

> If you want to plug your ears and cover your eyes in a "you
> can't seeee meeee" fashion, go for it. My selection of words doesn't
> disqualify the truth therein. You are an asshole, Tim.

I'm deeply hurt by your assessment. As you know, the opinion of
folks like you is fundamentally important to my sense of self.

BTW, I'm not particularly offended by your use of profanity, it's just
that it's based on a three word vocabulary and is utterly
unimaginative. I've heard school children with a greater breadth of
expression. It mostly just amuses me that you have so little of
consequence to say that you're left with nothing but your three words.
Well that, and blaming "those bankers" ... and we know who THEY are,
don't we (wink)...

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Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
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On Apr 6, 9:38 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:06:03 -0700, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >Such a deal from the RNC, home of Family_Values.
>
> >Call toll free:
>
> >1-800-Bondage
> >Or:
> >1-800-Sex-Games
>
> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
> belonged to.
>
> Seehttp://www.google.com/search?q=democrat+moral+scandalfor
> 21,800,000 hits. Repugs have only 14.2mil.
>
> Seehttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocritefor a portrait
> of your high horse. <tsk tsk tsk>
>
> --
> In order that people may be happy in their work, these three things are
> needed: They must be fit for it. They must not do too much of it. And
> they must have a sense of success in it.
> -- John Ruskin, Pre-Raphaelitism, 1850

Hey Lew -

Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.

All smoke the bone (or other anonymous same-sex coupling) in private
and publicly decry their own 'perversion.'

These are all people, with people's failings. However, Republicans
seem much more likely to turn theirs into platform planks.

D'ohBoy

On Apr 8, 1:51=A0pm, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:

> It was the socialist government of Germany under Hitler that was pissed
> off at the bankers. =A0I'm more pissed off at the socialist government...

I see. So when anybody dislikes the way the bankers harvest money that
makes them??? What??? A nazi? You get to wear a belt with a buckle
that reads "Gott mit uns?"

> And most would consider calling a woman a "coont" a sexist thing to do.

I never called a woman a coont. I called Ann Coulter a coont.

Anyway, you bore me.

On Apr 7, 4:30=A0pm, Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:55:21 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
>
> >And thanks for the invective. =A0It's always nice to watch people who ha=
ve
> >to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
> >counterpoint.
>
> No dummy, you don't understand. You really are an asshole and that
> gives everybody who swears at you all the rationalization they need.

Holy comoly. All of this is insane. If we have gotten to the point
that we cannot disagree with something then what the heck good is
life? Is everybody an "a**hole" because they do not believe in one
entitlement program after another? Is another person an "a**hole"
because they believe the Iraq war may have been avoided? Come on.

I think this health care bill that was "passed" was the wrong thing at
the wrong time. We are so deep in debt that there is no way we can
afford the entitlement programs that are already in place. It came
out today that only 47% of the people in the US pay federal income
tax. Yes, I agree that there are a number of "rich" people who don't
pay but, in sheer numbers, there are more "poor" people who do not
pay. And who defines "rich" and "poor" anyways? There is no magic
number for either, no matter what anybody on either side says.

The health care "bill" will mark the end of the middle class
eventually. My question is, what are the tax recipients doing to
thank or pay back the tax payers?? Whenever a person goes into a
store, they exchange money for *something* be it a product or a
service. What do the tax payers get from the tax recipients? Oh,
sorry, "healthier" people taking their money.

Seriously. I wanted to punch Bush whenever he said the illegal
immigrants were doing jobs that American citizens didn't want to do.
I didn't (and don't) want to believe him. It pisses me off that
people could think that way but, the more I see, I have to say there
is some truth to what he said--and it still ticks me off.

Now, this is not about the health care bill but there are a *LOT* of
people who are on welfare who just sit on there duffs. Why not make
them do many of these jobs in exchange for their entitlement? Oh,
sorry, it is probably extremely offensive to some people because it
will be likened to slavery but isn't it "reverse slavery" to force
others to work to make money and be productive only to give "a fair
share" to others who choose not to do such?

Why is it called stealing whenever a private citizen takes money off
another private citizen but it is called "progress" whenever the
government does it???

On Apr 7, 1:27=A0pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:

There you go again attacking the method of the messengers again.
"I don't like the message you brought me because I don't like the
colour of your horse."

> Well that, and blaming "those bankers" ... and we know who THEY are,
> don't we (wink)...
>
Who are you talking about, Tim? What are you insinuating? Having a
problem with straight talk? Must you bob and weave so much?

On Apr 6, 1:06=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Such a deal from the RNC, home of Family_Values.
>
> Call toll free:
>
> 1-800-Bondage
> Or:
> 1-800-Sex-Games
>
> Lew

Hypocrisy occurs when people suffer from 'holier-than-thou' syndrome.

When the local priest was caught coming out of a whorehouse he was
confronted by a member of his parish: "FATHER!! What are YOU doing
here, on a Friday no less?" His answer? "Well, I didn't eat any meat!"

D'ohBoy wrote:
>>
>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
>> belonged to.
>>
>
> Hey Lew -
>
> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>

Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be called a
sex act.

Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?

While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things above the
neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.

D'ohBoy wrote:
> On Apr 6, 10:17 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> D'ohBoy wrote:
>>
>>>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
>>>> belonged to.
>>
>>> Hey Lew -
>>
>>> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>>
>> Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be
>> called a sex act.
>>
> Ummm... yep, he got busted before he got caught at what he had been
> doing for years.
>
>> Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?
>
> Sure, I could list a buncha Repugs like that one from FL, or any
> number of Religious right duuders.
> Smoking meth, then the bone....
>
> Here are just a few of these scumbags:
>
> * Republican aide Alan David Berlin was arrested on charges that
> he wanted to engage in sex acts with a 15-year-old boy while dressed
> in a panda costume.
>

[snip]

>
>> While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things
>> above the neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.
>
> Exactly, read what I wrote: "All smoke the bone...."
>
> Have fun with that list, kay?
>

Wow! Thanks.

I don't feel like such a loner anymore.

On Apr 7, 5:19=A0pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:

> =A0I, like you, intend to benefit from a system into which I
> was *forced* to pay.

The Debbil makes him do it folks...

On 4/7/2010 9:52 AM, Upscale wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:26:02 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
>> Oh, Timmy. Thank you. I do love it when assholes like you describe my
>> moral failings and general world view.
>
> And considering that hypocrisy laden Timbo did not support either
> major party in the last election, I'm willing to wager that as usual,
> he specifically excludes himself from any of those failings or world
> views.

Right. I don't support stealing, the people who do, or the politicians
that are their hired thugs. My failings are personal and do not generally
cause harm to my fellow citizens. I also do not expect everyone around
me to pick up the tab for my mistakes. This is called being a "grown up".
--
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Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

On Apr 6, 3:35=A0pm, busbus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 2:00=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The key lies in the recognition that 'sides' must exist to keep us
> > occupied lest we all wake up and revolt.
>
> That's actually kinda funny.

'Democracies' run on the premise to keep us divided.
Read the Bankers Manifesto. It will give you some insight. Gun-totin'
jesus freaks versus the socialist bastards. Now, if religion is the
opiate of the masses, who is stoned all the time?

On Apr 8, 10:08=A0am, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Apr 7, 1:27 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Well that, and blaming "those bankers" ... and we know who THEY are,
> >> don't we (wink)...
> > =A0Who are you talking about, Tim? What are you insinuating? Having a
> > problem with straight talk? Must you bob and weave so much?
>
> Well, since you've shown yourself to be homophobic and a sexist, it
> shouldn't surprise many that you are also an Anti-Banker, wink, wink!
>
> --
> Jack
> =A0From Little A.C.O.R.N.S Mighty Marxist Grow!http://jbstein.com

And you LIKE what bankers did/do with other people's money/mortgages?
.
.
Oh, and calling you a douche-nozzle doesn't make me homophobic, that
is more your area of expertise...LOL

On 4/7/2010 3:41 PM, Upscale wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:09:01 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
>
>> Right. I don't support stealing, the people who do, or the politicians
>> that are their hired thugs. My failings are personal and do not generally
>> cause harm to my fellow citizens. I also do not expect everyone around
>> me to pick up the tab for my mistakes. This is called being a "grown up".
>
> That's calling you a liar. You've stated publicly that you'll support
> that stealing if it benefits you? You've stated publicly that you'll
> try to take from the system. You call that grown up? You're not man
> enough to live up to your very own words.

Nope ... again you seem lost in a maze of what should be very simple
logic. I, like you, intend to benefit from a system into which I
was *forced* to pay. I, unlike you, do not support such systems
and try to vote to get them dismantled.
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Tim Daneliuk [email protected]
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/

On Apr 8, 12:03=A0am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/7/2010 9:35 PM, busbus wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 4:30 pm, Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:55:21 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
>
> >>> And thanks for the invective. =A0It's always nice to watch people who=
have
> >>> to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
> >>> counterpoint.
>
> >> No dummy, you don't understand. You really are an asshole and that
> >> gives everybody who swears at you all the rationalization they need.
>
> > Holy comoly. =A0All of this is insane. =A0If we have gotten to the poin=
t
> > that we cannot disagree with something then what the heck good is
> > life? =A0Is everybody an "a**hole" because they do not believe in one
> > entitlement program after another? =A0Is another person an "a**hole"
> > because they believe the Iraq war may have been avoided? =A0Come on.
>
> > I think this health care bill that was "passed" was the wrong thing at
> > the wrong time. =A0We are so deep in debt that there is no way we can
> > afford the entitlement programs that are already in place. =A0It came
> > out today that only 47% of the people in the US pay federal income
> > tax. =A0Yes, I agree that there are a number of "rich" people who don't
> > pay but, in sheer numbers, there are more "poor" people who do not
> > pay. =A0And who defines "rich" and "poor" anyways? =A0There is no magic
> > number for either, no matter what anybody on either side says.
>
> > The health care "bill" will mark the end of the middle class
> > eventually. =A0My question is, what are the tax recipients doing to
> > thank or pay back the tax payers?? =A0Whenever a person goes into a
> > store, they exchange money for *something* be it a product or a
> > service. =A0What do the tax payers get from the tax recipients? =A0Oh,
> > sorry, "healthier" people taking their money.
>
> > Seriously. =A0I wanted to punch Bush whenever he said the illegal
> > immigrants were doing jobs that American citizens didn't want to do.
> > I didn't (and don't) want to believe him. =A0It pisses me off that
> > people could think that way but, the more I see, I have to say there
> > is some truth to what he said--and it still ticks me off.
>
> > Now, this is not about the health care bill but there are a *LOT* of
> > people who are on welfare who just sit on there duffs. =A0Why not make
> > them do many of these jobs in exchange for their entitlement? =A0Oh,
> > sorry, it is probably extremely offensive to some people because it
> > will be likened to slavery but isn't it "reverse slavery" to force
> > others to work to make money and be productive only to give "a fair
> > share" to others who choose not to do such?
>
> > Why is it called stealing whenever a private citizen takes money off
> > another private citizen but it is called "progress" whenever the
> > government does it???
>
> Uh oh ... prepare to be called a ... oh, you know ...
>

*I* won't be calling busbus anything as there are several components
missing in his post: He's not sanctimonious, condescending nor is he
trying to baffle anybody with big words. Busbus states his position on
its merits and not by torching and belittling opposite views. IOW, he
has class.

On Apr 6, 10:17 am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> D'ohBoy wrote:
>
> >> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
> >> belonged to.
>
> > Hey Lew -
>
> > Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>
> Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be called a
> sex act.
>
Ummm... yep, he got busted before he got caught at what he had been
doing for years.

> Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?

Sure, I could list a buncha Repugs like that one from FL, or any
number of Religious right duuders.
Smoking meth, then the bone....

Here are just a few of these scumbags:

* Republican aide Alan David Berlin was arrested on charges that
he wanted to engage in sex acts with a 15-year-old boy while dressed
in a panda costume.

* Republican news producer Aaron Bruns was arrested on charges of
possessing child pornography.

* Republican activist and former presidential campaign chairman
Jeffrey Claude Bartleson was arrested on charges of sexually molesting
a 5-year old boy.

* Republican activist and former chairman of the Christian County
Republicans Royce Fessenden pleaded guilty to two counts of first-
degree child molestation and one count of second-degree statutory
sodomy.

* Republican parole board officer and former legislator George C.
(Chris) Ortloff pleaded guilty to attempting to lure 11- and 12-year-
old girls to have sex with him.

* Republican legislative aide Robert R. Groezinger was arrested
for possessing child pornography.

* Republican legislator Robert A. McKee pleaded guilty to
possessing child pornography.

* Republican legislator Scott Muschany was charged with molesting
a 14-year old girl.

* Republican chief of staff Eric Feltner pleaded guilty to showing
pornography to a 13-year old girl.

* Republican presidential campaign official Matthew Joseph Elliott
was convicted of sexual exploitation of a child.

* Republican Party Chairman Donald Fleischman was charged with two
counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the
delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a
child.

* Republican prosecutor John David Roy Atchison was arrested for
soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks
later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an "assistant U.S.
attorney" appointed by President Bush's attorney general.

* Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after
police began investigating allegations that he had molested three
girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.

* Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls
under the age of 16.

* Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found
guilty of fondling underage girls.

* Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for
having sex with a 14-year old boy.

* Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered
to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and
13.

* Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting
sex from 13-year old girls.

* Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days
in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year
period.

* Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with
molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.

* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from
Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him
flirting with a 16-year old boy.

* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative
Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-
year old girl on the internet.

* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres
confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to
charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has
repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling
a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex
with a 5-year old boy.

* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of
an associate in the petition business.

* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to
fondling a 14-year-old girl.

* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins
pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted
child molester.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence
in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child
pornography over the internet.

* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of
soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to
molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years
in prison.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10
years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of
molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18
months in prison.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a
convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran
church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual
act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded
guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a
bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to
three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old
girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom
Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended
during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after
admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having
an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced
to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom
appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

* Republican fundraiser Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex
parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties
at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of
having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of
child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual
photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of
sex crimes involving children.

* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty
to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five
years later on the same charge.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor
working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly
Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline pleaded guilty to possession of
child pornography on his home computer.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was
charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay
bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for
distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"),
was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful
sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the
drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with
molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having
sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after
the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to
traditional values, was sentenced prison after offering $20 to a 14-
year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to
exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was
sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after
he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts
of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to
two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-
year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of
first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven
felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age
of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found
guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to
molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual
assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his
two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was
convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded
guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no
contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession
of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30
months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state
representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography
was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate
Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of
soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a
"good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly
having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in
prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for
Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in
the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed
reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage
girls.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation"
Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced
to six years in prison.

* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development
Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography
on his computer.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard
A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen,
62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1
million to have sex with a large number of young women.

* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape
of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into
providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt
of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.

> While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things above the
> neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.

Exactly, read what I wrote: "All smoke the bone...."

Have fun with that list, kay?

D'ohBoy

On Apr 6, 1:47=A0pm, busbus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 12:56=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > The D politicians don't have that
> > > problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
> > > wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs,>>> like R=
epublicans<<<<< they're
> > > merely being consistent with their worldview.
>
> > There, fixed it for you.
>
> Wow. =A0Seriously: this is getting out of hand. =A0Insults are flying
> around this group from both sides and it makes everybody seem like
> they are in the third grade. =A0Somebody else asked the question: What
> in the hell are we coming to? =A0I know it was on a somewhat different
> topic but the rhetoric is such that nobody is permitted to have a
> different point of view. =A0And it seems like neither side has the
> decency to just stop the pot shots.
>
> Who the hell cares if we all agree? =A0Do we have to all agree? =A0Isn't
> it *stupid* to think that everybody will always agree? =A0What a boring
> life it would be to be! =A0Sort of like people fighting about using
> corded tools vs. only hand tools vs. something in-between.
>
> Opinions are like noses: everybody has a different one.
>
> This used to be an incredibly congenial group and now people are at
> each other's throats over political idealogy. =A0Can we just get back to
> what this group is intended for? =A0I know I contribute much more to
> these OT things but thta is because I am still really wet behind the
> ears as far as woodworking goes. =A0I would like to read things here
> that I can put to practical use whenver I try to hack some wood.
>
> And I don't care if the suggesitons come from the right or the left or
> the top or the bottom or out of nowhere.

The key lies in the recognition that 'sides' must exist to keep us
occupied lest we all wake up and revolt.

On Apr 6, 11:49=A0am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/6/2010 10:17 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>
>
>
> > D'ohBoy wrote:
>
> >>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
> >>> belonged to.
>
> >> Hey Lew -
>
> >> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>
> > Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be cal=
led a
> > sex act.
>
> > Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?
>
> > While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things abov=
e the
> > neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.
>
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The big difference between the R
> and D politicians is that the Rs end up looking like hypocrites
> because they lecture everyone on topics of moral rectitude while doing
> the very same things themselves. The D politicians don't have that
> problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
> wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs, they're
> merely being consistent with their worldview.

Oh, Timmy. Thank you. I do love it when assholes like you describe my
moral failings and general world view.

On 4/6/2010 10:17 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> D'ohBoy wrote:
>>>
>>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
>>> belonged to.
>>>
>>
>> Hey Lew -
>>
>> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>>
>
> Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be called a
> sex act.
>
> Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?
>
> While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things above the
> neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.
>
>

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The big difference between the R
and D politicians is that the Rs end up looking like hypocrites
because they lecture everyone on topics of moral rectitude while doing
the very same things themselves. The D politicians don't have that
problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs, they're
merely being consistent with their worldview.



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On 04/06/2010 12:47 PM, busbus wrote:
> This used to be an incredibly congenial group and now people are at
> each other's throats over political idealogy. Can we just get back to
> what this group is intended for?

<looks around to see if I'm in the right place>

I don't know what group YOU'VE been following, but... "incredibly congenial"? Hell, in the
ten years I've wandered in and out of here there's never been a time when people *haven't*
been at each other's throats over political ideology. Has your newsreader only been showing
you every third post or something?

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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:247c87a1-a06e-4f98-8a03-c0c835f64abb@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 11:49 am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/6/2010 10:17 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > D'ohBoy wrote:
>
> >>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
> >>> belonged to.
>
> >> Hey Lew -
>
> >> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>
> > Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be
> > called a
> > sex act.
>
> > Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?
>
> > While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things above
> > the
> > neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.
>
> Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The big difference between the R
> and D politicians is that the Rs end up looking like hypocrites
> because they lecture everyone on topics of moral rectitude while doing
> the very same things themselves.

Ayup.


> The D politicians don't have that
> problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
> wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs,>>> like
> Republicans<<<<< they're
> merely being consistent with their worldview.
>

There, fixed it for you.


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Pretty childish.

In article <[email protected]>, "LDosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:247c87a1-a06e-4f98-8a03-c0c835f64abb@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...

>There, fixed it for you.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Pretty childish.
>
Consider the source.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Apr 7, 10:55 am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:


> It's always nice to watch people who have
> to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
> counterpoint.
>

You just keep on hiding under that illusion. Somebody calling you an
**** by using that word does not make it untrue because that word
was used.
When I have a valid counterpoint, I will express any it *** way I
want. If you want to plug your ears and cover your eyes in a "you
can't seeee meeee" fashion, go for it. My selection of words doesn't
disqualify the truth therein. You are an **** , Tim.



Anyone besides me offended by the flagrant use of profanity?
Using it as an offensive weapon somehow makes it worse.
Of course, sensitve me, I'm offended by anyone trying to be hurtful...

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 7, 10:55 am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> It's always nice to watch people who have
>> to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
>> counterpoint.
>>
>
> You just keep on hiding under that illusion. Somebody calling you an
> **** by using that word does not make it untrue because that word
> was used.
> When I have a valid counterpoint, I will express any it *** way I
> want. If you want to plug your ears and cover your eyes in a "you
> can't seeee meeee" fashion, go for it. My selection of words doesn't
> disqualify the truth therein. You are an **** , Tim.
>
>
>
> Anyone besides me offended by the flagrant use of profanity?
> Using it as an offensive weapon somehow makes it worse.
> Of course, sensitve me, I'm offended by anyone trying to be hurtful...


Please allow me to correct myself. I can tolerate a little profanity,
especially
if used humorously. But, I don't have much room in my life for mean-ness.
What's the point...

Robatoy wrote:

> *I* won't be calling busbus anything as there are several components
> missing in his post: He's not sanctimonious, condescending nor is he
> trying to baffle anybody with big words. Busbus states his position on
> its merits and not by torching and belittling opposite views. IOW, he
> has class.

Holy Fuck!!!

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Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 7, 1:27 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Well that, and blaming "those bankers" ... and we know who THEY are,
>> don't we (wink)...

> Who are you talking about, Tim? What are you insinuating? Having a
> problem with straight talk? Must you bob and weave so much?

Well, since you've shown yourself to be homophobic and a sexist, it
shouldn't surprise many that you are also an Anti-Banker, wink, wink!


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Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 8, 10:08 am, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Apr 7, 1:27 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Well that, and blaming "those bankers" ... and we know who THEY are,
>>>> don't we (wink)...
>>> Who are you talking about, Tim? What are you insinuating? Having a
>>> problem with straight talk? Must you bob and weave so much?
>> Well, since you've shown yourself to be homophobic and a sexist, it
>> shouldn't surprise many that you are also an Anti-Banker, wink, wink!

> And you LIKE what bankers did/do with other people's money/mortgages?

It was the socialist government of Germany under Hitler that was pissed
off at the bankers. I'm more pissed off at the socialist government...

> Oh, and calling you a douche-nozzle doesn't make me homophobic,

No, but when you said something I said sounded "gay" I'm pretty certain
you were not using the term "gay" in a complimentary fashion.

And most would consider calling a woman a "coont" a sexist thing to do.
Calling someone a Douche-nozzle is pretty much just worthless
vitriol, but whether it's homophobic, sexist or not would probably depend on
the source.

Your track record is not so good.

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Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 8, 1:51 pm, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It was the socialist government of Germany under Hitler that was pissed
>> off at the bankers. I'm more pissed off at the socialist government...

> I see.

Obviously not!

>> And most would consider calling a woman a "coont" a sexist thing to do.
>
> I never called a woman a coont. I called Ann Coulter a coont.

I see.

> Anyway, you bore me.

Right!

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On 4/7/2010 7:30 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 7, 5:19 pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I, like you, intend to benefit from a system into which I
>> was *forced* to pay.
>
> The Debbil makes him do it folks...
>

No, the force of government with the threat of jail makes me
do it. The Debbil just convinces people that such systems
based on force are OK...

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On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:09:01 -0500, Tim Daneliuk

>Right. I don't support stealing, the people who do, or the politicians
>that are their hired thugs. My failings are personal and do not generally
>cause harm to my fellow citizens. I also do not expect everyone around
>me to pick up the tab for my mistakes. This is called being a "grown up".

You're about as big a hypocrite as they come. All your criticisms and
comments about people on universal healthcare stealing from the system
and yet you've stated outright that when the opportunity presents
itself, you'll take support from that very same system.

You're not even man enough to back up to your own words. That makes
you a whining mouthpiece and nothing else. Fundamentally, you're a
thief like everybody else you criticize.

On 4/7/2010 3:30 PM, Upscale wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:55:21 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
>> And thanks for the invective. It's always nice to watch people who have
>> to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
>> counterpoint.
>
> No dummy, you don't understand. You really are an asshole and that
> gives everybody who swears at you all the rationalization they need.

If you'll provide me an address, I'll see if I can arrange to send you
a book on grammar and a thesaurus.

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On 4/7/2010 9:26 AM, Charlie Self wrote:
> On Apr 6, 11:49 am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/6/2010 10:17 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> D'ohBoy wrote:
>>
>>>>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
>>>>> belonged to.
>>
>>>> Hey Lew -
>>
>>>> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>>
>>> Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be called a
>>> sex act.
>>
>>> Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?
>>
>>> While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things above the
>>> neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.
>>
>> Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The big difference between the R
>> and D politicians is that the Rs end up looking like hypocrites
>> because they lecture everyone on topics of moral rectitude while doing
>> the very same things themselves. The D politicians don't have that
>> problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
>> wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs, they're
>> merely being consistent with their worldview.
>
> Oh, Timmy. Thank you. I do love it when assholes like you describe my
> moral failings and general world view.
>

You're a liberal politician? Please go reread what I wrote.

And thanks for the invective. It's always nice to watch people who have
to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
counterpoint.



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On 4/6/2010 11:56 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 6, 11:49 am, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/6/2010 10:17 AM, HeyBub wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> D'ohBoy wrote:
>>
>>>>> Tell me again, Lew, what party "Blowjobs aren't sex" Bill Clinton
>>>>> belonged to.
>>
>>>> Hey Lew -
>>
>>>> Larry Craig, etc..., etc...., ad nauseum.
>>
>>> Larry Craig did not engage in any sex act or anything that could be called a
>>> sex act.
>>
>>> Care to fill in the "etc..., etc...." portion of your claim?
>>
>>> While there are exceptions, Republicans tend to stray using things above the
>>> neck; Democrats tend to stray using things below the belt.
>>
>> Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The big difference between the R
>> and D politicians is that the Rs end up looking like hypocrites
>> because they lecture everyone on topics of moral rectitude while doing
>> the very same things themselves.
>
> Ayup.
>
>
>> The D politicians don't have that
>> problem since, as a group, they have no concept of morality, right-,
>> wrong, or appropriate behavior. When they behave like pigs,>>> like Republicans<<<<< they're
>> merely being consistent with their worldview.
>>
>
> There, fixed it for you.
>

Yup, agreed.


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On 4/7/2010 9:35 PM, busbus wrote:
> On Apr 7, 4:30 pm, Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:55:21 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
>>
>>> And thanks for the invective. It's always nice to watch people who have
>>> to resort to schoolyard cursing because they haven't got a rational
>>> counterpoint.
>>
>> No dummy, you don't understand. You really are an asshole and that
>> gives everybody who swears at you all the rationalization they need.
>
> Holy comoly. All of this is insane. If we have gotten to the point
> that we cannot disagree with something then what the heck good is
> life? Is everybody an "a**hole" because they do not believe in one
> entitlement program after another? Is another person an "a**hole"
> because they believe the Iraq war may have been avoided? Come on.
>
> I think this health care bill that was "passed" was the wrong thing at
> the wrong time. We are so deep in debt that there is no way we can
> afford the entitlement programs that are already in place. It came
> out today that only 47% of the people in the US pay federal income
> tax. Yes, I agree that there are a number of "rich" people who don't
> pay but, in sheer numbers, there are more "poor" people who do not
> pay. And who defines "rich" and "poor" anyways? There is no magic
> number for either, no matter what anybody on either side says.
>
> The health care "bill" will mark the end of the middle class
> eventually. My question is, what are the tax recipients doing to
> thank or pay back the tax payers?? Whenever a person goes into a
> store, they exchange money for *something* be it a product or a
> service. What do the tax payers get from the tax recipients? Oh,
> sorry, "healthier" people taking their money.
>
> Seriously. I wanted to punch Bush whenever he said the illegal
> immigrants were doing jobs that American citizens didn't want to do.
> I didn't (and don't) want to believe him. It pisses me off that
> people could think that way but, the more I see, I have to say there
> is some truth to what he said--and it still ticks me off.
>
> Now, this is not about the health care bill but there are a *LOT* of
> people who are on welfare who just sit on there duffs. Why not make
> them do many of these jobs in exchange for their entitlement? Oh,
> sorry, it is probably extremely offensive to some people because it
> will be likened to slavery but isn't it "reverse slavery" to force
> others to work to make money and be productive only to give "a fair
> share" to others who choose not to do such?
>
> Why is it called stealing whenever a private citizen takes money off
> another private citizen but it is called "progress" whenever the
> government does it???
>

Uh oh ... prepare to be called a ... oh, you know ...

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On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:26:02 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
>Oh, Timmy. Thank you. I do love it when assholes like you describe my
>moral failings and general world view.

And considering that hypocrisy laden Timbo did not support either
major party in the last election, I'm willing to wager that as usual,
he specifically excludes himself from any of those failings or world
views.

On Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:19:44 -0500, Tim Daneliuk
>logic. I, like you, intend to benefit from a system into which I
>was *forced* to pay. I, unlike you, do not support such systems
>and try to vote to get them dismantled.

If you benefit from it, then you're evil and a thief ~ You're original
words to me. And, if the time comes that you take more out of it than
you've put into it? Will you continue stealing?

The truth is and always has been that you're a whiner with nothing
else in your life to contribute. Certainly not woodworking. Whining is
all you know how to do and you can't even do it ethically. Guess
assholes like you are doomed to your self torment.

Oops! I swore at you again. Too bad eh?

Bill wrote:
>
> Anyone besides me offended by the flagrant use of profanity?
> Using it as an offensive weapon somehow makes it worse.
> Of course, sensitve me, I'm offended by anyone trying to be hurtful...

Get used to it. That's the way liberals express themselves.

It's not that they can't use civil discourse, it's that when they do what
they say sounds like a rational argument that can quickly be dismantled.
When they curse, hit people, throw eggs, or shout down those with whom they
disagree, they are obviously acting from emotion.

A "feeling" is always genuine and cannot be gainsaid. If you dispute their
utterance, you are obviously insane because their feelings are true and
unassailable.