"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> But it was kept out of the landfill. Think of the children.
>
>
The children play in landfills? Thank goodness we kept that junk out, they
might get hurt!
Puckdropper
--
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reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> They like the proto type.
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jp
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good for you. How much work is there involved in making each of those
units?
And, how is their coffee?
"Swingman" wrote
>
> BTW, got a countertop horror story for you on this one ... "recycled
> gla$$" ... these guys think they are "artiste's", rather than craftsman,
> and act accordingly. First time I've had to deal with a lawyer during
> construction in years and about the only satisfaction I got was a
> nose-to-nose, ten minute ass chewing performance, for all the good that
> did ... and at my age.
>
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00004-20090909-0746.jpg
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00003-20090909-0745.jpg
>
> Unbelievably shitty work ... damn Austin green, 21st century, barefooted,
> asshole hippies!
>
Artist, eh? Bad taste meets poor technique.
It looks like a drug hallucination.
Which would explain some things.
"-MIKE-" wrote
>
> I'm guessing you could've had some paper over the whole surface before
> routing, then it would be masked for the spaying.
>
> --
I just can't help myself.
Spaying?? I did not know that countertop material could reproduce. Know
something we don't? :-)
Besides, I don't think that Robatoy has the proper license for that sort of
thing.
Swingman wrote:
>
> Building Science Corporation publishes builder's guides for different
> climates. Being on the Gulf Coast, the one I pay particular attention to
> is "Builder's Guide to Hot Humid Climates" by Joseph Lstiburek.
>
> DAGS "eeba" for all the info you'd ever want to know.
>
Thanks for the link. After a quick glance it looks like their
"resource" page might come in handy.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Sep 25, 12:13=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >That stuff is nasty. A mutagenic and carcinogenic and handling it
> >will
>
> give you contact dermatitis.
>
> And here I thought contact dermatitis was an epoxy problem.
>
> Live and learn.
>
> Lew
Common allergens implicated include the following:
Nickel (nickel sulfate hexahydrate) - metal frequently encountered in
jewelry and clasps or buttons on clothing
Gold (gold sodium thiosulfate) - precious metal often found in jewelry
Balsam of Peru (Myroxylon pereirae) - a fragrance used in perfumes and
skin lotions, derived from tree resin (see also Tolu balsam)
Thimerosal - a mercury compound used in local antiseptics and in
vaccines
Neomycin - a topical antibiotic common in first aid creams and
ointments, cosmetics, deodorant, soap and pet food. Found by itself,
or in Polysporin or Triple Antibiotic
Fragrance mix - a group of the eight most common fragrance allergens
found in foods, cosmetic products, insecticides, antiseptics, soaps,
perfumes and dental products [15]
Formaldehyde - a preservative with multiple uses, e.g., in paper
products, paints, medications, household cleaners, cosmetic products
and fabric finishes
Cobalt chloride - metal found in medical products; hair dye;
antiperspirant; metal-plated objects such as snaps, buttons or tools;
and in cobalt blue pigment
Bacitracin - a topical antibiotic found by itself, or as Polysporin or
Triple Antibiotic
Quaternium-15 - preservative in cosmetic products (self-tanners,
shampoo, nail polish, sunscreen) and in industrial products (polishes,
paints and waxes).[16]
Colophony (Rosin) - Rosin, sap or sawdust typically from spruce or fir
trees
Topical steroid - see steroid allergy
Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 21, 7:53 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>>> They like the proto type.
>>>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
>>>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
>>>> Nicely done ... cnc?
>>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>>>> Last update: 10/22/08
>>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>> Yup, CNC. That inlay and engraving gave me just enough of an edge on
>>> the competition. The rest of the work is old hat.
>> Biggest gloat of all is being able to turn a passion into cash ...
>> congratulations, you suck dude!
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> The cash is nice, but where the real satisfaction comes from is the
> continuing challenges and the victories. I was going stale and
> complacent. This bag of tricks has me sitting upright...a lot. A basic
> day is a mix of feeling stupid and feeling pretty damn smug.
> Life is good.
> One of them there toysH^H^H^tools is highly recommended.
I'm happy for you, Rob ... down to the punchlist the last house on the
drawing board for the time being, and looking forward to becoming stale
and complacent ... for a short while! :)
BTW, got a countertop horror story for you on this one ... "recycled
gla$$" ... these guys think they are "artiste's", rather than craftsman,
and act accordingly. First time I've had to deal with a lawyer during
construction in years and about the only satisfaction I got was a
nose-to-nose, ten minute ass chewing performance, for all the good that
did ... and at my age.
http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00004-20090909-0746.jpg
http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00003-20090909-0745.jpg
Unbelievably shitty work ... damn Austin green, 21st century,
barefooted, asshole hippies!
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sep 21, 6:36=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > They like the proto type.
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
>
> Nicely done ... cnc?
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Yup, CNC. That inlay and engraving gave me just enough of an edge on
the competition. The rest of the work is old hat.
On Sep 21, 6:40=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...>=
They like the proto type.
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jp
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Good for you. =A0How much work is there involved in making each of those
> units?
The CNC cuts the shape, dados the groove for the backsplash. cuts the
hole for the waste-catcher, cuts the inlay, the v-groove of the
letters and sidesplashes all in one go, with 2 bits. 20 minutes each.
Assembly and adhesive set-up time about 1 hour. Trim & sand, 3 hours.
>
> And, how is their coffee?
Excellent... without that ridiculous Starbucks price.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:c61fd5c7-498f-4803-b0e3-ec6cde7e01f1@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 22, 6:56 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > How much countertop and for what kinda dough?
>
> 90 sf/$8K.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
90 is a biggun. Around $ 5500 (US) for granite, about 8k for quartz.
That glass stuff ain't no bargain either.
**********************************************
But it was kept out of the landfill. Think of the children.
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:49:34 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>Nonsense ... Robert M. Pirsig perhaps said it best:
>
Ommmm...
Varoommmm....
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Sep 21, 9:19=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 7:53 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>> On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>>> They like the proto type.
> >>>>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> >>>>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
> >>>> Nicely done ... cnc?
> >>>> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >>>> Last update: 10/22/08
> >>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
> >>> Yup, CNC. That inlay and engraving gave me just enough of an edge on
> >>> the competition. The rest of the work is old hat.
> >> Biggest gloat of all is being able to turn a passion into cash ...
> >> congratulations, you suck dude!
>
> >> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 10/22/08
> >> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> > The cash is nice, but where the real satisfaction comes from is the
> > continuing challenges and the victories. I was going stale and
> > complacent. This bag of tricks has me sitting upright...a lot. A basic
> > day is a mix of feeling stupid and feeling pretty damn smug.
> > Life is good.
> > One of them there toysH^H^H^tools is highly recommended.
>
> I'm happy for you, Rob ... down to the punchlist the last house on the
> drawing board for the time being, and looking forward to becoming stale
> and complacent ... for a short while! =A0:)
>
> BTW, got a countertop horror story for you on this one ... "recycled
> gla$$" ... these guys think they are "artiste's", rather than craftsman,
> and act accordingly. First time I've had to deal with a lawyer during
> construction in years and about the only satisfaction I got was a
> nose-to-nose, ten minute ass chewing performance, for all the good that
> did ... and at my age.
>
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00004-20090909-0746.jpg
Jeebus... is that 'pillowing' I see? Not colour matched, and particle
distribution is uneven.
That corner looks awful.
>
> Unbelievably shitty work ... damn Austin green, 21st century,
> barefooted, asshole hippies!
>
Now.... take a deep breath and go; Oooohhmmmmmmmmmmm.
..and never call the fuckers again.
How much countertop and for what kinda dough?
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Except that instead of shutting up and sighing about it, one of us just
> went and finished new 'SF residential construction' with an estimated
> R-42 wall value. :)
Would that much insulation necessitate some type of increased air flow need
for a home of that type? It's my understanding that houses need to 'breath'.
And does it depend on the type of land environment the building was erected
in? ~ e.g.. Arid compared to moist or perhaps widely varied seasons?
On Sep 23, 11:07=A0am, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:c61fd5c7-498f-4803-b0e3-ec6cde7e01f1@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 22, 6:56 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Robatoy wrote:
> > > How much countertop and for what kinda dough?
>
> > 90 sf/$8K.
>
> > --www.e-woodshop.net
> > Last update: 10/22/08
> > KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> 90 is a biggun. Around $ 5500 (US) for granite, about 8k for quartz.
> That glass stuff ain't no bargain either.
>
> **********************************************
>
> But it was kept out of the landfill. =A0Think of the children.
LOL...okay, out with it... what is your Fark handle..LOL
Thousands of little polyesters gave their lives to hold that glass
together. The blue.. Cobalt. NICE! Especially suspended in air as dust
during grinding.
On Sep 21, 8:15=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > They like the proto type.
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
>
> I'm with the other guy, I though you were looking for a lot of big
> links. =A0:-)
>
> Great work. =A0Is the gold just paint?
>
Just a rattle can of gold. It is indoors, so it should be okay. For
outdoor use, a friend of mine is an ace with leaf.
I could have coated the letters with some FrogJuice.
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I'm glad. I first looked at SIP in 1980, and have been waiting (not very
> patiently) for the building trades to get with the program for almost
> thirty years.
SIP and ICF make up about 5% of all new housing construction. More in the
southwest, lowest in the northeast where it will do the most good. R-40 to
R-50 walls are common. I'm amazed at how many builders have never heard of
them, let alone built something. If I was building at new house tomorrow,
it would be ICFs. www.integraspec.com is probably the most versatile.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> They like the proto type.
>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
>> Nicely done ... cnc?
>>
>> --www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> Yup, CNC. That inlay and engraving gave me just enough of an edge on
> the competition. The rest of the work is old hat.
Biggest gloat of all is being able to turn a passion into cash ...
congratulations, you suck dude!
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00003-20090909-0745.jpg
>
> Holy cow, that looks just like the candy I used love when I was a kid.
It sure isn't pretty. That kind of home decor gives me an upset stomach. Got
invited to a neighbour's house one time for a Christmas party and they had
something similar. Never went over again.
On Sep 21, 10:12=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 8:15 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>> They like the proto type.
> >>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> >>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
> >> I'm with the other guy, I though you were looking for a lot of big
> >> links. =A0:-)
>
> >> Great work. =A0Is the gold just paint?
>
> > Just a rattle can of gold. It is indoors, so it should be okay. For
> > outdoor use, a friend of mine is an ace with leaf.
> > I could have coated the letters with some FrogJuice.
>
> Did you mask?
>
Nope. The gold one I just aimed and sprayed, then with a hard pad on
the Rotex, sanded it flat.
The inlay, I just grooved it, filled it high, then Rotex'd it flat.
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Although it's at odds with what I've seen you write in the past, it
> really does sound as if you think hot fuzzy thinking is an improvement
> over warm fuzzy thinking.
Nonsense ... Robert M. Pirsig perhaps said it best:
"I think that if we are going to reform the world, and make it a better
place to live in, the way to do it is not with talk about relationships
of a political nature.
or with programs full of things for other
people to do. Programs of a political nature are important 'end
products' of social quality that can be effective only if the underlying
structure of social values is right. The social values are right only if
the individual values are right. The place to improve the world is first
in one's own heart and head and hands, and then work outward from there.
Other people can talk about how to expand the destiny of mankind. I just
want to talk about how to fix a motorcycle. I think what I have to say
has more lasting value."
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Sep 21, 7:53=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 6:36 pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>> They like the proto type.
> >>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> >>>http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
> >> Nicely done ... cnc?
>
> >> --www.e-woodshop.net
> >> Last update: 10/22/08
> >> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> > Yup, CNC. That inlay and engraving gave me just enough of an edge on
> > the competition. The rest of the work is old hat.
>
> Biggest gloat of all is being able to turn a passion into cash ...
> congratulations, you suck dude!
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
The cash is nice, but where the real satisfaction comes from is the
continuing challenges and the victories. I was going stale and
complacent. This bag of tricks has me sitting upright...a lot. A basic
day is a mix of feeling stupid and feeling pretty damn smug.
Life is good.
One of them there toysH^H^H^tools is highly recommended.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 24, 11:05 pm, "Martin H. Eastburn" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> If you have an amount left over - a potter might want it -
>> cobalt is expensive and it is a nice blue.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> Thousands of little polyesters gave their lives to hold that glass
>>>> together. The blue.. Cobalt. NICE! Especially suspended in air as dust
>>>> during grinding.
>>> The blue bits, or so I'm told, are actually broken vodka bottles from
>>> various bars around Austin, TX ... apparently it took over 600 broken
>>> bottles from said bars, carefully harvested over a three week period, to
>>> supply the "recycled glass" for 90 sf of counter top.
>>> ... still not impressed.
>
> That stuff is nasty. A mutagenic and carcinogenic and handling it will
> give you contact dermatitis.
How "par for the course" for the "green building" sector!!
Clueless dickheads, almost to the man ...
--
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Upscale wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Except that instead of shutting up and sighing about it, one of us just
>> went and finished new 'SF residential construction' with an estimated
>> R-42 wall value. :)
>
> Would that much insulation necessitate some type of increased air flow need
> for a home of that type? It's my understanding that houses need to 'breath'.
> And does it depend on the type of land environment the building was erected
> in? ~ e.g.. Arid compared to moist or perhaps widely varied seasons?
R-value (resistance value), a measurement of the ability to conduct
heat(thermal conductivity), and proper ventilation, the exchange of
indoor and outdoor air, are not necessarily mutually exclusive endeavors.
You're right about climate consideration for both, and I would hesitate
to make any blanket statements because climate has a huge impact on
building methods with regard to r-value and ventilation.
Building Science Corporation publishes builder's guides for different
climates. Being on the Gulf Coast, the one I pay particular attention to
is "Builder's Guide to Hot Humid Climates" by Joseph Lstiburek.
DAGS "eeba" for all the info you'd ever want to know.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
If you have an amount left over - a potter might want it -
cobalt is expensive and it is a nice blue.
Martin
Swingman wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>> Thousands of little polyesters gave their lives to hold that glass
>> together. The blue.. Cobalt. NICE! Especially suspended in air as dust
>> during grinding.
>
> The blue bits, or so I'm told, are actually broken vodka bottles from
> various bars around Austin, TX ... apparently it took over 600 broken
> bottles from said bars, carefully harvested over a three week period, to
> supply the "recycled glass" for 90 sf of counter top.
>
> ... still not impressed.
>
>
Upscale wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00003-20090909-0745.jpg
>> Holy cow, that looks just like the candy I used love when I was a kid.
>
> It sure isn't pretty. That kind of home decor gives me an upset stomach. Got
> invited to a neighbour's house one time for a Christmas party and they had
> something similar. Never went over again.
Hey ... I just build 'em, I don't color 'em.
:)
--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Robatoy wrote:
> They like the proto type.
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
You may be sorry.
I once worked with a guy who made trophies on the side ("Bowling League
Champ" etc.). Basically finished blocks of wood with some standard, screw
in, figures.
On a dare, he made a small "World's Best Dad" trophy and pitched it to
Mongromery-Wards. They ordered a thousand as a one-off gift item for
Father's Day.
He completed the order and made a nice profit.
He then sold or trashed all his wood-working tools, took up stamp
collecting, and said if he never saw another freakin' trophy it would be too
soon!
On Sep 22, 6:56=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > How much countertop and for what kinda dough?
>
> 90 sf/$8K.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
90 is a biggun. Around $ 5500 (US) for granite, about 8k for quartz.
That glass stuff ain't no bargain either.
I just love these 'recyclers'/'enviro-fucks' because they will spout
off about using waste to make things...to be green...and tie it all
together with the most vicious, nasty compounds we know of. Like this
clown up here who makes 'paper' countertops....thas' right.. paper.
AKA old newspaper and formaldehyde, polyester and frikkin' depleted
uranium for all I know, but the smell of that plant of his will knock
the birds out of the trees. Everywhere on his back lot are drums with
skull-and-crossbones painted on them. He drives a Hummer.
I guess it is a bit like the unwashed 350 pound 'girl' at the
concession stand at the movies. "A half garbage can of popcorn, with
triple butter, please....a family-sized Reece's peanut Butter Cup
bar......and *quivering giggles* a DIET coke."
Don't get me started.
On Sep 24, 12:02=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > Thousands of little polyesters gave their lives to hold that glass
> > together. The blue.. Cobalt. NICE! Especially suspended in air as dust
> > during grinding.
>
> The blue bits, or so I'm told, are actually broken vodka bottles from
> various bars around Austin, TX ... apparently it took over 600 broken
> bottles from said bars, carefully harvested over a three week period, to
> supply the "recycled glass" for 90 sf of counter top.
That guy did some serious drinking. That's more than a bottle an
hour!!! <G>
>
> ... still not impressed.
>
I am now! LOL
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Touch a nerve, did I? Sorry about that. I suppose we should all just
> shut up and wait quietly for self-heating homes with R-40 walls to
> become "traditional construction". (sigh)
Except that instead of shutting up and sighing about it, one of us just
went and finished new 'SF residential construction' with an estimated
R-42 wall value. :)
Which, unlike 99% of the "green building" fraternity of gold digging
gurus, effectively puts both my money and mouth side by side.
Lest you take offense, it's a very small club, to which you also belong,
of those who do, instead of doodle ... sadly.
--
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> As a builder, VOLUNTARILY attending, as well as particpating as a
> consultant, countless "building green" seminars in the last seven years -
> out of an awareness we would be doing the environment a favor to take the
> concept into account in construction methods; and spending the last six
> endeavoring to do just that, I'm telling you without reservation that much
> of "building green" movement is in the nature of a scam; that most are
> fooling themselves with the sheer impracticality of their notions; that a
> large percentage are in it strictly for profit, with no altruism involved
> (perfect example given here); and that the impact of their misguided
> efforts is, more often than not, of greater hazard to the environment and
> landfills than traditional construction methods.
I'm involved supplying materials for a LEED job right now. It is the scam
of the decade. Just one example, the material is to be delivered to the job
site on a truck using bio-diesel fuel. The driver had to go out of his way
by about 70 miles just to buy some and show a receipt.
On Sep 24, 11:05=A0pm, "Martin H. Eastburn" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> If you have an amount left over - a potter might want it -
> cobalt is expensive and it is a nice blue.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> Swingman wrote:
> > Robatoy wrote:
>
> >> Thousands of little polyesters gave their lives to hold that glass
> >> together. The blue.. Cobalt. NICE! Especially suspended in air as dust
> >> during grinding.
>
> > The blue bits, or so I'm told, are actually broken vodka bottles from
> > various bars around Austin, TX ... apparently it took over 600 broken
> > bottles from said bars, carefully harvested over a three week period, t=
o
> > supply the "recycled glass" for 90 sf of counter top.
>
> > ... still not impressed.
That stuff is nasty. A mutagenic and carcinogenic and handling it will
give you contact dermatitis.
Robatoy wrote:
> They like the proto type.
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
I'm with the other guy, I though you were looking for a lot of big
links. :-)
Great work. Is the gold just paint?
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Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 21, 8:15 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>> They like the proto type.
>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/CLtop2.jpg
>>> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/ClTop3.jpg
>> I'm with the other guy, I though you were looking for a lot of big
>> links. :-)
>>
>> Great work. Is the gold just paint?
>>
>
> Just a rattle can of gold. It is indoors, so it should be okay. For
> outdoor use, a friend of mine is an ace with leaf.
> I could have coated the letters with some FrogJuice.
>
Did you mask?
I'm guessing you could've had some paper over the whole surface before
routing, then it would be masked for the spaying.
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Swingman wrote:
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00004-20090909-0746.jpg
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00003-20090909-0745.jpg
>
Holy cow, that looks just like the candy I used love when I was a kid.
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Lee Michaels wrote:
> I just can't help myself.
>
> Spaying?? I did not know that countertop material could reproduce. Know
> something we don't? :-)
>
> Besides, I don't think that Robatoy has the proper license for that sort of
> thing.
>
Ahhh, jeez. :-)
My friend used to help a farmer castrate pigs as a summer job.
From what he tells me, he could've used some masking tape for the mess
which resulted. :-)
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Swingman wrote:
> How "par for the course" for the "green building" sector!!
>
> Clueless dickheads, almost to the man ...
What is it about woodworkers that when they paint, they always seem to
want to use a /really/ big brush?
I think I'm going to call this syndrome "timitis".
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Swingman wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> How "par for the course" for the "green building" sector!!
>>>
>>> Clueless dickheads, almost to the man ...
> ... I'm telling you without reservation
> that much of "building green" movement is in the nature of a scam;
No argument - much of almost everything not well understood seems to
attract scammers. OTOH, "much" is a long way from "almost to the man",
and the surest way I can imagine to clean out the good ones is to paint
them with the same excrement the bad ones deserve.
> that
> most are fooling themselves with the sheer impracticality of their
> notions; that a large percentage are in it strictly for profit,
> with no altruism involved (perfect example given here);
Unlike the builders? I was just recalling past threads on McMansions...
...and wondering how you might react to the injustice of being tarred
with that same brush.
> and that the impact of
> their misguided efforts is, more often than not, of greater hazard to
> the environment and landfills than traditional construction methods.
Umm - thinking back to traditional use of lead and mercury and materials
loaded with truly unhealthy chemicals, and wondering how much of the old
stuff hasn't yet leached into ground water...
...and kind of wondering how the "traditionalists" disposed of their
last CRT monitor (with its three to six pounds of lead) and their most
recently replaced rechargeable cadmium- or lithium-based battery pack.
(I'm trying /not/ to wonder about their lead-based batteries and
fluorescent tubes.)
> IMO, and extensive practical experience in the business, the brush is
> yet to be made, in broadness, that will cover the misguided, warm fuzzy,
> thinking of most of this movement.
Although it's at odds with what I've seen you write in the past, it
really does sound as if you think hot fuzzy thinking is an improvement
over warm fuzzy thinking.
> IOW, don't give me this "timitis" shit, or presume to use my words to
> coin it!
Touch a nerve, did I? Sorry about that. I suppose we should all just
shut up and wait quietly for self-heating homes with R-40 walls to
become "traditional construction". (sigh)
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Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Swingman wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>
>> Touch a nerve, did I? Sorry about that. I suppose we should all just
>> shut up and wait quietly for self-heating homes with R-40 walls to
>> become "traditional construction". (sigh)
>
> Except that instead of shutting up and sighing about it, one of us just
> went and finished new 'SF residential construction' with an estimated
> R-42 wall value. :)
I'm glad. I first looked at SIP in 1980, and have been waiting (not very
patiently) for the building trades to get with the program for almost
thirty years.
> Which, unlike 99% of the "green building" fraternity of gold digging
> gurus, effectively puts both my money and mouth side by side.
You're planning on /keeping/ 'em side-by-side - same or better from now
on, yes?
> Lest you take offense, it's a very small club, to which you also belong,
> of those who do, instead of doodle ... sadly.
When the brush smears me, and other people I know to be working
diligently and effectively to solve problems which if left unsolved will
produce seriously unpleasant consequences, it's difficult to not point
out the unfairness and injustice.
In my experience, the doodlers have been those with the potential to
innovate and invent - and however unproductive they appear, not much
happens without that activity as a precursor. If only one doodle in a
million produces something really worthwhile, then perhaps we need to
consider ways to improve the success ratio and/or /increase/ the number
of doodles.
By way of actively promoting doodling, I've come up with a couple that
might prove interesting to some of the folks who shake their heads when
I talk about woodworking to finer than 1/64" tolerances. The old solar
trough at http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/Stirling/Heat.html
concentrates sunlight to a little better than 110 suns intensity, which
is so bright as to require welding goggles because more than half of
that energy is being reflected. When I was done doodling, I'd come up
with a way to make an absorber that would remain dark in /any/ solar
intensity that didn't actually melt it. This should allow at least
doubling or tripling the input energy of all of the solar thermal
"farms" with the long rows of parabolic troughs. Along with the doodles
are a couple of photographs featuring, of all things, a laser level from
the shop. Doodles and photos showing a novel use for the level are at
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Projects/Stirling/HTAbsorber/
Note that there's no patent, nothing for sale, and nothing that anyone
here can't duplicate in their own shop (or on their kitchen table) or,
if they have one, at their solar farm. :)
Doodles are good!
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Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Swingman wrote:
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00004-20090909-0746.jpg
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/IMG00003-20090909-0745.jpg
> Unbelievably shitty work ... damn Austin green, 21st century,
> barefooted, asshole hippies!
I thought they all moved to DC?
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Robatoy wrote:
> Thousands of little polyesters gave their lives to hold that glass
> together. The blue.. Cobalt. NICE! Especially suspended in air as dust
> during grinding.
The blue bits, or so I'm told, are actually broken vodka bottles from
various bars around Austin, TX ... apparently it took over 600 broken
bottles from said bars, carefully harvested over a three week period, to
supply the "recycled glass" for 90 sf of counter top.
... still not impressed.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>> How "par for the course" for the "green building" sector!!
>>
>> Clueless dickheads, almost to the man ...
>
> What is it about woodworkers that when they paint, they always seem to
> want to use a /really/ big brush?
>
> I think I'm going to call this syndrome "timitis".
As a builder, VOLUNTARILY attending, as well as particpating as a
consultant, countless "building green" seminars in the last seven years
- out of an awareness we would be doing the environment a favor to take
the concept into account in construction methods; and spending the last
six endeavoring to do just that, I'm telling you without reservation
that much of "building green" movement is in the nature of a scam; that
most are fooling themselves with the sheer impracticality of their
notions; that a large percentage are in it strictly for profit, with no
altruism involved (perfect example given here); and that the impact of
their misguided efforts is, more often than not, of greater hazard to
the environment and landfills than traditional construction methods.
IMO, and extensive practical experience in the business, the brush is
yet to be made, in broadness, that will cover the misguided, warm fuzzy,
thinking of most of this movement.
IOW, don't give me this "timitis" shit, or presume to use my words to
coin it!
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