OT: Free Range Children - With a little woodworking

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>
>Attenborough?

David?

With you Larry - but not with Netflix yet - have over 2000 DVD's
in the house at this time. Then there is tape.

We like to watch series from scratch and every other disk is a new
off target movie. Tonight started Spiderman.

Some series we have watched for lunch or dinner time - has been watched
a number of times. We still find stuff - bloopers and new stuff.
We have shelves 7' tall in similar topics.

Martin

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On 7/15/2010 9:44 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

>
> Over the past 10 years: Bones, NCIS, CSI (not NY or FL), Fringe,
> Sanctuary, and House have been the only TV-based shows I've watched,
> but definitely not on TV whenever possible. I tried the DVDs of the
> first couple seasons of Lost and got bored quickly, despite the charms
> of Evangeline Lily and Emilie de Ravin, Yunjin Kim, and Maggie Grace.
> <domg>
>
> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating. Those were fantastic.
>
> Netflix, 2 at a time, $12.99/mo. No commercials, no crap, no time
> limits. I return 99.9% of them the next day, so it works out to 16
> movies a month, which is cheaper than RedBox, even!
>

I enjoy Entourage as a mindless piece of entertainment. I like Top
Gear as well (BBC)

On Jul 15, 12:21=A0am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:b5055e2c-b051-454c-a814-7ffa8fa61fa1@z10g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 14, 9:07 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD. No
> > 18-minutes-per-hour of commercials, just good programming. Two hours
> > of programming per week out of (500 channels x 168 hours) 84,000
> > broadcast.
>
> We got that system down to a science at our house. NO reality shows.
> That's not a 'law', just that none of us gives a shit.
> We wait for movies to hit the 5 dollar bin at Whatever store. We trade
> with friends and neighbours. The odd download from free and legal
> sources. We actively support live theatre from Detroit to Toronto and
> school-house smalltime productions in between.
> The button that gets the most work is the mute button if and when we
> watch anything 'live' on TV. 'Live' TV is mostly TLC, History,
> Discovery, NG and PBS.
> We like Bones, and Criminal Minds. We buy those.
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> Season 5 of Criminal Minds out yet? I left a 'notify me' on Amazon but
> haven't seen anything from them yet. I'd like to pick up a used copy of '=
Six
> Feet Under' Cheap somewhere. Have rented season 1 and found it hilarious.

Six feet under is a great show. It gets way better; you're in for a
treat.

On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:02:57 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>>
>>>Attenborough?
>>
>> George Page, RIP.
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/arts/02page.html
>>
>> He created the program and narrated from '73 to '98.
>> That program was absolute magic.
>
>Which reminds me of Marlin Perkins:
>
>"While Jim wrestles the komodo dragon into that gunny sack, let's take a
>look at this iguana."

Which reminds me of a saying attributed to our old natural foods
friend, Euell Gibbons:

"Many parts of your common Volkswagon are edible."


--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:37:00 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>On Jul 14, 9:07 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD.  No
>> 18-minutes-per-hour of commercials, just good programming. Two hours
>> of programming per week out of (500 channels x 168 hours) 84,000
>> broadcast.  
>
>We got that system down to a science at our house. NO reality shows.
>That's not a 'law', just that none of us gives a shit.
>We wait for movies to hit the 5 dollar bin at Whatever store. We trade
>with friends and neighbours. The odd download from free and legal
>sources. We actively support live theatre from Detroit to Toronto and
>school-house smalltime productions in between.
>The button that gets the most work is the mute button if and when we
>watch anything 'live' on TV. 'Live' TV is mostly TLC, History,
>Discovery, NG and PBS.
>We like Bones, and Criminal Minds. We buy those.

Over the past 10 years: Bones, NCIS, CSI (not NY or FL), Fringe,
Sanctuary, and House have been the only TV-based shows I've watched,
but definitely not on TV whenever possible. I tried the DVDs of the
first couple seasons of Lost and got bored quickly, despite the charms
of Evangeline Lily and Emilie de Ravin, Yunjin Kim, and Maggie Grace.
<domg>

I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
"Nature" with George whassisname narrating. Those were fantastic.

Netflix, 2 at a time, $12.99/mo. No commercials, no crap, no time
limits. I return 99.9% of them the next day, so it works out to 16
movies a month, which is cheaper than RedBox, even!

--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:44:00 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>With you Larry - but not with Netflix yet - have over 2000 DVD's
>in the house at this time. Then there is tape.
>
>We like to watch series from scratch and every other disk is a new
>off target movie. Tonight started Spiderman.
>
>Some series we have watched for lunch or dinner time - has been watched
>a number of times. We still find stuff - bloopers and new stuff.
>We have shelves 7' tall in similar topics.

Egad, Netflix is far, far cheaper. ;)

I can watch any one of 17,000 movies online on my computer now, too.

--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

On Jul 13, 10:41=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7/13/2010 9:31 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Jul 13, 9:33 am, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 7/13/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
> >>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
> >> Just think what the next generation will be like ...
>
> > Take a look at what's happening in the UK.
>
> Indeed, I do believe we have recently spent some time visiting that very
> topic.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

We did visit that topic. A friend of mine's kid was an exchange
student with an British kid. I got to meet the little bloke. Full of
piercings and tats and a huge fan of Winehouse and Pete Dougherty. It
showed. After talking to the little prick for 20 minutes, I excused
myself after heard enough about what is wrong with the universe; I had
to leave or I was going to pull that ring-binder (ear) of the little
fucker's head and smack him around a little. The phrase that got to me
was something along the lines "about his parents being held
accountable by him."

"Robatoy" wrote >
>

When taking my dog for a walk one morning, I witnessed a young girl
(guessing she was 10-ish) with her mother walking immediately behind
her holding an umbrella over the child's head. No wind, minor drizzle,
but heavenhelpus if the kid had as much as one drop of rain fall on
her face. A true WTF moment.
======================

But, but, don't you know the incredible damage that can be caused by a
single raindrop?? LOL

The rain thing is interesting. I live in a rainy climate and I still see all
kinds of folks, mostly women, who flee in terror if a couple drops of rain
fall out of the sky. I naturally asume that they think they will melt if
any rain falls on them.

I don't understand it, but I see it all the time.

"Swingman" wrote
>
> And listening to my 25 year old's friends when they visit you get the
> impression that if they had to kill and clean a chicken in order to
> survive, they'd starve to death.
>
City slickers and chickens, eh? OK, here is a true story.

I knew some folks who decided they wanted to live in the country. These guys
had zero practical skills or knowledge. But since I was raised on a farm,
they felt they could consult me on any kind of country living matter. They
had a chicken coop and fenced yard for the checkens. They wanted to know
what was involved in raising chickens for fresh eggs. I told them to buy
some chickens, get some feed and water and feed them each day. And to
collect the eggs daily.

I was out of town for awhile and when I came back, they immediately told me
that they got the chickens, fed and watered them each day, but no eggs. I
asked them what the hen - rooster ratio was. I was met with blank stares and
a profound ignorance of basic animal reproduction knowledge.

I went out and looked at their little flock. It contsisted of 11 roosters
and a poor hen running around frantically with about a third of her
feathers! That poor bird was being mounted multiple times each day by each
rooster. All that mating activity resulted in the loss of most of her
feathers. Obviously no time to lay eggs!

I went back in to explain this to them. They did not know there were boy
chickens and girl chickens. I had to explain in great detail the difference
between roosters and hens. I felt like I was talking to small children.

Sooooooooo, a week later, they finally came to terms with the fact that
theyhad to get rid of the roosters somehow. Just how do you get rid of
roosters on the farm Lee? Welllll...., You kill them and eat them!!

They were horrified. Luckily an old friend dropped by who was also raised on
a farm. And as an italian, he had a great recipe for chicken spaghetti.
There was going to be a big event there that weekend and we could butcher
the chickens and make up enough food for everybody.

There were 30 people there. Only one person was brave enough to come out and
watch. We had to butcher 11 big roosters and nobody wanted to help. After
this was all done, everybody magically reappeared and ate the food with
great gusto. They all complimented us on our frontier skills. But no one
helped and they all hid when a little work had to be done. I guess they were
a little too high class or citified to engage in such brutal acts such as
harvesting food to eat. But they had no problem eating it!

Buncha damn wimps!!

"Larry Jaques" wrote
>
> And the last time I watched the news, the half hour show consisted of
> 13 minutes of "news" + "local BS" and 17 minutes of commercials. My
> mute button nearly wore away from one half hour show!
>
Reminds me of an article talking about carpal tunnel syndrome. Not only
mice, but TV remotes are now a source of overuse injuries.

We only watch programs that are prerecorded. That helps. As for the news,
there is never more than a few minutes worth watching anyway. Just record
it, watch what you want, junk the rest.

On Jul 13, 9:33=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7/13/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>
> Walking back from the gym this morning I took a detour through the
> spanking new "5-12 year old only" playground which I watched being built
> with a 12" substrate of space age foam beneath the astro turf.
>
> Damn playground is softer than my pillow top mattress and is like
> walking on a trampoline.
>
> And listening to my 25 year old's friends when they visit you get the
> impression that if they had to kill and clean a chicken in order to
> survive, they'd starve to death.
>
> Just think what the next generation will be like ...
>
Take a look at what's happening in the UK.

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:52:27 -0700, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD.
>
>It's all available on the internet.. Free.

Sure, complete with commercials and noise on HULU. My sister uses that
one and I tried it once, very briefly, and ran away screaming! ;)

BTW, I meant "come out on DVD and are available from Netflix." I
don't buy most series DVDs. Buffy was the only one, 3 years' episodes
for $20, delivered. <domg>

--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>
>Attenborough?

George Page, RIP.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/arts/02page.html

He created the program and narrated from '73 to '98.
That program was absolute magic.

--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

On 7/15/2010 4:36 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:52:27 -0700, "CW"<[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
>>
>> "Larry Jaques"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD.
>>
>> It's all available on the internet.. Free.
>
> Sure, complete with commercials and noise on HULU. My sister uses that
> one and I tried it once, very briefly, and ran away screaming! ;)
>
> BTW, I meant "come out on DVD and are available from Netflix." I
> don't buy most series DVDs. Buffy was the only one, 3 years' episodes
> for $20, delivered.<domg>
>

http://www.amazon.com/NCIS-Complete-Season-Mark-Harmon/dp/B002C2KAS6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1279234766&sr=8-1-catcorr

On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:05:08 GMT, "Paul T." <[email protected]>
wrote the following:

>On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:24:03 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm

Good article. (Thanks, Lobby.)


>That is a concept that I whole-heartly agree with. Today's children are
>too pampered. Many live in a world in which their every move is monitored
>to the point that they don't know what risk and fear is.

Right, and if they don't know what risk and fear are, they're even
more liable to get into deep trouble as a result of it.


>Problem solving
>and the risks should be something that a child starts learning about and
>how to deal with at the earlist possible age.

Absolutely!


>Parents should not be
>placed in the position that they feel like they have been backed into a
>corner and whatever they do will cause the loss of their children or put
>them in a court room answering charges they put their children in danger.
>Authories should keep hands off until there is a real proven danger to a
>child.

I'm wondering whether Child Protective Services do more harm than good
in today's Nanny State. <sigh>

--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:24:03 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm

That is a concept that I whole-heartly agree with. Today's children are
too pampered. Many live in a world in which their every move is monitored
to the point that they don't know what risk and fear is. Problem solving
and the risks should be something that a child starts learning about and
how to deal with at the earlist possible age. Parents should not be
placed in the position that they feel like they have been backed into a
corner and whatever they do will cause the loss of their children or put
them in a court room answering charges they put their children in danger.
Authories should keep hands off until there is a real proven danger to a
child.

Paul T.

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Swingman" wrote
>>
>> And listening to my 25 year old's friends when they visit you get the
>> impression that if they had to kill and clean a chicken in order to
>> survive, they'd starve to death.
>>
> City slickers and chickens, eh? OK, here is a true story.
>
> I knew some folks who decided they wanted to live in the country. These
> guys had zero practical skills or knowledge. But since I was raised on a
> farm, they felt they could consult me on any kind of country living
> matter. They had a chicken coop and fenced yard for the checkens. They
> wanted to know what was involved in raising chickens for fresh eggs. I
> told them to buy some chickens, get some feed and water and feed them each
> day. And to collect the eggs daily.
>
> I was out of town for awhile and when I came back, they immediately told
> me that they got the chickens, fed and watered them each day, but no eggs.
> I asked them what the hen - rooster ratio was. I was met with blank stares
> and a profound ignorance of basic animal reproduction knowledge.
>
> I went out and looked at their little flock. It contsisted of 11 roosters
> and a poor hen running around frantically with about a third of her
> feathers! That poor bird was being mounted multiple times each day by
> each rooster. All that mating activity resulted in the loss of most of her
> feathers. Obviously no time to lay eggs!
>
> I went back in to explain this to them. They did not know there were boy
> chickens and girl chickens. I had to explain in great detail the
> difference between roosters and hens. I felt like I was talking to small
> children.
>
> Sooooooooo, a week later, they finally came to terms with the fact that
> theyhad to get rid of the roosters somehow. Just how do you get rid of
> roosters on the farm Lee? Welllll...., You kill them and eat them!!
>
> They were horrified. Luckily an old friend dropped by who was also raised
> on a farm. And as an italian, he had a great recipe for chicken spaghetti.
> There was going to be a big event there that weekend and we could butcher
> the chickens and make up enough food for everybody.
>
> There were 30 people there. Only one person was brave enough to come out
> and watch. We had to butcher 11 big roosters and nobody wanted to help.
> After this was all done, everybody magically reappeared and ate the food
> with great gusto. They all complimented us on our frontier skills. But no
> one helped and they all hid when a little work had to be done. I guess
> they were a little too high class or citified to engage in such brutal
> acts such as harvesting food to eat. But they had no problem eating it!
>
> Buncha damn wimps!!
>
>We (my folks) were very poor. My sister and I were raised during the great
>depression. Did get a chicken once in awhile. We had a stump to cut the
>chicken head off with an ax. One chicken was very fast at moving head as ax
>came down. Mom came to rescue. She would grab chicken by the head and wring
>its head off. Both folks worked to get enough to pay the house rent ($30)
>and keep us in food. At 13 I would make a sandwich take a Mason jar full of
>water and hitch hike to the mountains (Colorado) for a day of climbing the
>rocks. Hitch hike home before dark. This was no problem in those days. I
>sold door to door vegetables., magazines, Christmas cards. Very little
>income. We never saw a doctor due to cost. Survived OK. Learned to fix or
>repair almost everything. Made it through high school and enlisted in the
>Navy for WWll. After war was over came home..Never had a high paying job
>but was able to send our 2 sons to college.
They both have degrees a EE and a ME. Raised them to respect people and do
well. WW
>

Lobby Dosser wrote:

> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>>
>>>Attenborough?
>>
>> George Page, RIP.
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/arts/02page.html
>>
>> He created the program and narrated from '73 to '98.
>> That program was absolute magic.
>
> Which reminds me of Marlin Perkins:
>
> "While Jim wrestles the komodo dragon into that gunny sack, let's take a
> look at this iguana."

Yeah, I was in grade school/Jr. High around that time. It became a
running joke in our family, "Let's see what Jim's going to wrestle this week
while Marlin looks on"

--

There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

On Jul 14, 9:07=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD. =A0No
> 18-minutes-per-hour of commercials, just good programming. Two hours
> of programming per week out of (500 channels x 168 hours) 84,000
> broadcast. =A0

We got that system down to a science at our house. NO reality shows.
That's not a 'law', just that none of us gives a shit.
We wait for movies to hit the 5 dollar bin at Whatever store. We trade
with friends and neighbours. The odd download from free and legal
sources. We actively support live theatre from Detroit to Toronto and
school-house smalltime productions in between.
The button that gets the most work is the mute button if and when we
watch anything 'live' on TV. 'Live' TV is mostly TLC, History,
Discovery, NG and PBS.
We like Bones, and Criminal Minds. We buy those.

in 535065 20100716 013219 "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>
>>Attenborough?
>
>David?

Sir?

On Jul 13, 8:30=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:05:08 GMT, "Paul T." <[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
> >On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:24:03 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>
> Good article. =A0(Thanks, Lobby.)
>
> >That is a concept that I whole-heartly agree with. Today's children are
> >too pampered. Many live in a world in which their every move is monitore=
d
> >to the point that they don't know what risk and fear is.
>
> Right, and if they don't know what risk and fear are, they're even
> more liable to get into deep trouble as a result of it.
>
> >Problem solving
> >and the risks should be something that a child starts learning about and
> >how to deal with at the earlist possible age.
>
> Absolutely!
>
> >Parents should not be
> >placed in the position that they feel like they have been backed into a
> >corner and whatever they do will cause the loss of their children or put
> >them in a court room answering charges they put their children in danger=
.
> >Authories should keep hands off until there is a real proven danger to a
> >child.
>
> I'm wondering whether Child Protective Services do more harm than good
> in today's Nanny State. <sigh> =A0
>
> --
>
> EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
> which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
> our every deficiency in foresight.

When taking my dog for a walk one morning, I witnessed a young girl
(guessing she was 10-ish) with her mother walking immediately behind
her holding an umbrella over the child's head. No wind, minor drizzle,
but heavenhelpus if the kid had as much as one drop of rain fall on
her face. A true WTF moment.
The fact that we, as parents, keeping an eye on loose beads, mercury-
filled toys etc, is a necessary evil as long as unscrupulous merchants
keep targeting the clue-less. But rain drops?
How many times DO you let your buddy step off his side of the
teetertotter without bracing yourself for that unmistakable 'ass-to-
the-ground' impact? What is so wrong with hurling your guts out after
too many revolutions on the whirl-go-round?
Keeping an eye out for the kiddies is one thing, not allowing the
kiddies to see for themselves is another. (How else could one learn to
duck when the teacher threw a wood-backed eraser at your head for
shooting spitballs at your buddy across the room?)

On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:09:06 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote the following:

>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote
>>
>> And the last time I watched the news, the half hour show consisted of
>> 13 minutes of "news" + "local BS" and 17 minutes of commercials. My
>> mute button nearly wore away from one half hour show!
>>
>Reminds me of an article talking about carpal tunnel syndrome. Not only
>mice, but TV remotes are now a source of overuse injuries.
>
>We only watch programs that are prerecorded. That helps. As for the news,
>there is never more than a few minutes worth watching anyway. Just record
>it, watch what you want, junk the rest.

Yeah, I had a DVR for the last 6 years of TV watching and it made
things go a whole lot faster. 3+ hour football games in under an
hour, 30 minute news programs in 13 minutes, unless they had
babelicious reporters whose minutes were replayed.

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which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

"Paul T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:24:03 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>
> That is a concept that I whole-heartly agree with. Today's children are
> too pampered. Many live in a world in which their every move is monitored
> to the point that they don't know what risk and fear is. Problem solving
> and the risks should be something that a child starts learning about and
> how to deal with at the earlist possible age. Parents should not be
> placed in the position that they feel like they have been backed into a
> corner and whatever they do will cause the loss of their children or put
> them in a court room answering charges they put their children in danger.
> Authories should keep hands off until there is a real proven danger to a
> child.
>
> Paul T.


I was a Free Range Child. Of course, that was more than 60 years ago. I'm
sure my parents regretted my explorations from time to time, but when I
reached majority I could completely function on my own - actually I could do
that from about age 10 or 11, but there were limits beyond which they would
not go.

On 7/13/2010 7:05 AM, Paul T. wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 00:24:03 -0700, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>
> That is a concept that I whole-heartly agree with. Today's children are
> too pampered. Many live in a world in which their every move is monitored
> to the point that they don't know what risk and fear is. Problem solving
> and the risks should be something that a child starts learning about and
> how to deal with at the earlist possible age. Parents should not be
> placed in the position that they feel like they have been backed into a
> corner and whatever they do will cause the loss of their children or put
> them in a court room answering charges they put their children in danger.
> Authories should keep hands off until there is a real proven danger to a
> child.

The sad thing is that these kids are going to grow up to be decision
makers and have no sense of perspective. When getting a hangnail
results in a trip to the emergency room is it any wonder that society is
turning into a nanny-state?

On 7/13/2010 9:37 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote>
>>
>
> When taking my dog for a walk one morning, I witnessed a young girl
> (guessing she was 10-ish) with her mother walking immediately behind
> her holding an umbrella over the child's head. No wind, minor drizzle,
> but heavenhelpus if the kid had as much as one drop of rain fall on
> her face. A true WTF moment.
> ======================
>
> But, but, don't you know the incredible damage that can be caused by a
> single raindrop?? LOL
>
> The rain thing is interesting. I live in a rainy climate and I still see all
> kinds of folks, mostly women, who flee in terror if a couple drops of rain
> fall out of the sky. I naturally asume that they think they will melt if
> any rain falls on them.
>
> I don't understand it, but I see it all the time.

Find out what it costs to have your hair professionally styled and
you'll begin to understand.

Lobby Dosser wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm

another:

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2010/07/11/20100711teenesteem0711.html

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 7/13/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>
> Walking back from the gym this morning I took a detour through the
> spanking new "5-12 year old only" playground which I watched being built
> with a 12" substrate of space age foam beneath the astro turf.
>
> Damn playground is softer than my pillow top mattress and is like walking
> on a trampoline.
>
> And listening to my 25 year old's friends when they visit you get the
> impression that if they had to kill and clean a chicken in order to
> survive, they'd starve to death.
>
> Just think what the next generation will be like ...
>


The Eloi in H.G. Wells' "Time Machine".

"chaniarts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>
> another:
>
> http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2010/07/11/20100711teenesteem0711.html
>
>
>
>

Good one. Thanks. Unfortunately we can see one grandson going in this
direction ...

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:17:55 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On 7/13/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>>>
>>> Walking back from the gym this morning I took a detour through the
>>> spanking new "5-12 year old only" playground which I watched being built
>>> with a 12" substrate of space age foam beneath the astro turf.
>>>
>>> Damn playground is softer than my pillow top mattress and is like
>>> walking
>>> on a trampoline.
>>>
>>> And listening to my 25 year old's friends when they visit you get the
>>> impression that if they had to kill and clean a chicken in order to
>>> survive, they'd starve to death.
>>>
>>> Just think what the next generation will be like ...
>>
>>The Eloi in H.G. Wells' "Time Machine".
>
> ...each without any manners whatsoever, 50lbs+ overweight, and most
> unable to run if they had to.
>
> I gave up TV a little over 3 years ago. I picked up the TV guide which
> comes in Thursday's paper and read through the listings. Hayseuss
> Farkin' Crisco, has it gone down that much even since I watched it?

I don't know. Used to watch the news, but then that became entertainment.

> The menu is now almost completely filled with inane shitcoms about fat
> people, ugly people, stupid people, and "reality" shows. Oh, and a
> series, no less, about a prison break. It must be like those TV soaps
> where the lady is pregnant for about six years of shows, each "actor"
> getting about 4 lines per episode.
>
> The Eloi would self-destruct in this gawdawful environment.
>
> I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD. No
> 18-minutes-per-hour of commercials, just good programming. Two hours
> of programming per week out of (500 channels x 168 hours) 84,000
> broadcast. Things are not looking very good, are they?

Nope. I'm waiting for season 5 of Criminal Minds.

>
> --
>
> EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
> which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
> our every deficiency in foresight.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jul 14, 9:07 am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD. No
> 18-minutes-per-hour of commercials, just good programming. Two hours
> of programming per week out of (500 channels x 168 hours) 84,000
> broadcast.

We got that system down to a science at our house. NO reality shows.
That's not a 'law', just that none of us gives a shit.
We wait for movies to hit the 5 dollar bin at Whatever store. We trade
with friends and neighbours. The odd download from free and legal
sources. We actively support live theatre from Detroit to Toronto and
school-house smalltime productions in between.
The button that gets the most work is the mute button if and when we
watch anything 'live' on TV. 'Live' TV is mostly TLC, History,
Discovery, NG and PBS.
We like Bones, and Criminal Minds. We buy those.

===============================================
Season 5 of Criminal Minds out yet? I left a 'notify me' on Amazon but
haven't seen anything from them yet. I'd like to pick up a used copy of 'Six
Feet Under' Cheap somewhere. Have rented season 1 and found it hilarious.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.

Attenborough?

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>
>>Attenborough?
>
> David?

Right, not George.

"Bob Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> in 535065 20100716 013219 "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>>
>>>Attenborough?
>>
>>David?
>
> Sir?


Sidney Poitier

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>
>>Attenborough?
>
> George Page, RIP.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/arts/02page.html
>
> He created the program and narrated from '73 to '98.
> That program was absolute magic.

Which reminds me of Marlin Perkins:

"While Jim wrestles the komodo dragon into that gunny sack, let's take a
look at this iguana."

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>>>
>>>>Attenborough?
>>>
>>> George Page, RIP.
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/arts/02page.html
>>>
>>> He created the program and narrated from '73 to '98.
>>> That program was absolute magic.
>>
>> Which reminds me of Marlin Perkins:
>>
>> "While Jim wrestles the komodo dragon into that gunny sack, let's take a
>> look at this iguana."
>
> Yeah, I was in grade school/Jr. High around that time. It became a
> running joke in our family, "Let's see what Jim's going to wrestle this
> week
> while Marlin looks on"

Best one ever - they had tranquilized an elephant to do some measuring and
fix a hang nail or something. First they have to wrestle it onto its side
because the pressure on its lungs is too much if it lies on its chest. Then
they run around doing whatever so that they don't keep it under for too
long. Next the wakey, wakey drug. Vet finds a nice vein on an ear and
injects the drug. Elephant proceeds to get to its knees RFN. Marlin notes
that this was perhaps too quick as the humans had expected to make a more
leisurely retreat.

All hell breaks loose! Elephant gets to its feet and starts making angry
noises. People start beating feet. Well in front is the 'native guide' who
is a 7 foot bean pole, followed closely by Jim and the vet with Marlin
trailing. Then the elephant full out Bellows! Marlin starts picking them up
and putting them down! The rest of the scene was filmed from quite a way off
so you see this people and elephant on the horizon shot with old Marlin
Perkins passing everybody Including the guide!!

Laugh, thought I'd die ... Feets, don't fail me now!

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:02:57 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:12:58 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I burned out on the History Channel (watched 'em all) and SciFi (now
>>>>> SyFy, egad) channel went braindead long ago. I miss PBS episodes of
>>>>> "Nature" with George whassisname narrating.
>>>>
>>>>Attenborough?
>>>
>>> George Page, RIP.
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/02/arts/02page.html
>>>
>>> He created the program and narrated from '73 to '98.
>>> That program was absolute magic.
>>
>>Which reminds me of Marlin Perkins:
>>
>>"While Jim wrestles the komodo dragon into that gunny sack, let's take a
>>look at this iguana."
>
> Which reminds me of a saying attributed to our old natural foods
> friend, Euell Gibbons:
>
> "Many parts of your common Volkswagon are edible."

LOL!

On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:18:31 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>>>The Eloi in H.G. Wells' "Time Machine".
>>
>> ...each without any manners whatsoever, 50lbs+ overweight, and most
>> unable to run if they had to.
>>
>> I gave up TV a little over 3 years ago. I picked up the TV guide which
>> comes in Thursday's paper and read through the listings. Hayseuss
>> Farkin' Crisco, has it gone down that much even since I watched it?
>
>I don't know. Used to watch the news, but then that became entertainment.

And the last time I watched the news, the half hour show consisted of
13 minutes of "news" + "local BS" and 17 minutes of commercials. My
mute button nearly wore away from one half hour show!

--
The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly
is to fill the world with fools.
--Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

On 7/13/2010 9:31 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jul 13, 9:33 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 7/13/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm

>> Just think what the next generation will be like ...
>>
> Take a look at what's happening in the UK.

Indeed, I do believe we have recently spent some time visiting that very
topic.

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On 7/13/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm

Walking back from the gym this morning I took a detour through the
spanking new "5-12 year old only" playground which I watched being built
with a 12" substrate of space age foam beneath the astro turf.

Damn playground is softer than my pillow top mattress and is like
walking on a trampoline.

And listening to my 25 year old's friends when they visit you get the
impression that if they had to kill and clean a chicken in order to
survive, they'd starve to death.

Just think what the next generation will be like ...

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:17:55 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:

>"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 7/13/2010 2:24 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8789014.stm
>>
>> Walking back from the gym this morning I took a detour through the
>> spanking new "5-12 year old only" playground which I watched being built
>> with a 12" substrate of space age foam beneath the astro turf.
>>
>> Damn playground is softer than my pillow top mattress and is like walking
>> on a trampoline.
>>
>> And listening to my 25 year old's friends when they visit you get the
>> impression that if they had to kill and clean a chicken in order to
>> survive, they'd starve to death.
>>
>> Just think what the next generation will be like ...
>
>The Eloi in H.G. Wells' "Time Machine".

...each without any manners whatsoever, 50lbs+ overweight, and most
unable to run if they had to.

I gave up TV a little over 3 years ago. I picked up the TV guide which
comes in Thursday's paper and read through the listings. Hayseuss
Farkin' Crisco, has it gone down that much even since I watched it?
The menu is now almost completely filled with inane shitcoms about fat
people, ugly people, stupid people, and "reality" shows. Oh, and a
series, no less, about a prison break. It must be like those TV soaps
where the lady is pregnant for about six years of shows, each "actor"
getting about 4 lines per episode.

The Eloi would self-destruct in this gawdawful environment.

I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD. No
18-minutes-per-hour of commercials, just good programming. Two hours
of programming per week out of (500 channels x 168 hours) 84,000
broadcast. Things are not looking very good, are they?

--

EXPLETIVE: A balm, usually applied verbally in hindsight,
which somehow eases those pains and indignities following
our every deficiency in foresight.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I'm waiting for NCIS and House, M.D. to come out on DVD.

It's all available on the internet.. Free.