No pictures, and a conclusive answer isn't really necessary. I just thought
maybe someone would know.
It was sold as "oak." It comes from somewhere in the far east. It looks
vaguely oak like, but it has sort of a coral pink cast to it, and the grain
structure reminds me of ash
It seems to be on the soft side. A bit harder than poplar maybe, but not as
hard as red oak. It seems to be very stringy, and it's easy to split off
big pieces if you try to chisel out too much at a time.
I ended up letting my son practice chiseling hinge mortises in a couple
pieces of the stuff because I don't like the wood enough to pull all the
staples out of it.
I'm just wondering what it might be. I realize I won't get a definitive
answer. Especially without pictures.
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Silvan writes:
>No pictures, and a conclusive answer isn't really necessary. I just thought
>maybe someone would know.
>
>It was sold as "oak." It comes from somewhere in the far east. It looks
>vaguely oak like, but it has sort of a coral pink cast to it, and the grain
>structure reminds me of ash
>
>It seems to be on the soft side. A bit harder than poplar maybe, but not as
>hard as red oak. It seems to be very stringy, and it's easy to split off
>big pieces if you try to chisel out too much at a time.
>
No idea. But IIRC, you're in the Blackburg/Christiansburg area, right? Ran into
one of the guys from Woodcraft and discovered y'all will have a new place to
shop come next year. I forget the exact dates, but Roanoke is going to be the
site of a new Woodcraft store, one of their new small market stores. This will
be a corporate-owned store. Next up appears to be my old, and favorite, small
city, Albany, NY (not to knock Roanoke: I wish to hell I'd never left that
area, and hope to soon be back).
Charlie Self
"The income tax has made liars out of more Americans than golf."
Will Rogers
Percentage gamble would be Tasmanian oak (aka Mountain ash), which is a
blanket term for some three eucalypt species.
However, it could be anything (except oak), especially if from the Far East.
PvR
Silvan <[email protected]> schreef
> No pictures, and a conclusive answer isn't really necessary. I just
thought maybe someone would know.
> It was sold as "oak." It comes from somewhere in the far east. It looks
> vaguely oak like, but it has sort of a coral pink cast to it, and the
grain structure reminds me of ash
> It seems to be on the soft side. A bit harder than poplar maybe, but not
as hard as red oak. It seems to be very stringy, and it's easy to split off
> big pieces if you try to chisel out too much at a time.
> I ended up letting my son practice chiseling hinge mortises in a couple
> pieces of the stuff because I don't like the wood enough to pull all the
> staples out of it.
> I'm just wondering what it might be. I realize I won't get a definitive
> answer. Especially without pictures.
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
Silvan <[email protected]> schreef
> Wood costs money, and I have precious little of that. These were salvage.
+ + +
In that case, who said they were "oak"?
PvR
Silvan <[email protected]> schreef
> I'm not sure what you call these things. Commercial furniture comes with
a frame thing (not really a pallet) stapled to the bottom, inside the box.
> These are to reduce the likelihood of someone breaking the feet and such
> off the thing in transit. I picked up several of them that had come off
of Indonesian furniture sold as being "solid oak."
+ + +
I am not sure there is such a thing as "Indonesian-made solid oak
furniture". Anyway, unless you made a close comparison between the "frame
thing" and the "furniture" there is no reason to suppose these are the same
wood.
I hate to even think of the list of Indonesian woods that might be used for
such packing purposes, there are just too many of them.
PvR
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> schreef
> If Indonesia has any true oak, fry it up and I'll eat a hatful.
+ + +
Actually Indonesia does have true oak (Indonesia is BIG), and you would be
hard put to eat any of it, fried or not. Most of the woods of these oaks are
harder and heavier than temperate oaks. Not something you would expect in
furniture.
PvR
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"P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Andy Dingley <[email protected]> schreef
> > If Indonesia has any true oak, fry it up and I'll eat a hatful.
>
> + + +
> Actually Indonesia does have true oak (Indonesia is BIG), and you would be
> hard put to eat any of it, fried or not. Most of the woods of these oaks
are
> harder and heavier than temperate oaks. Not something you would expect in
> furniture.
> PvR
>
>
>
>
>
>
Silvan <[email protected]> schreef
> True enough, though I think it probably is. If they don't make the
carcass out of this stuff, they use it somewhere, because these pieces were
surfaced too neatly for this to have been their primary use. It occurs to
me that it's quite likely that they build the furniture out of this
+ + +
Or some other furniture. I believe the Indonesians use quite a range of
woods for such purposes.
+ + +
> The mystery wood is almost glittery, doing some sort of cool
> refractive things with light. That's where the very faint coral pink
> appearance comes from, I think. Pink is more of a vague impression than
> the actual color.
+ + +
The lighter grades of meranti / seraya / lauan will be glittery, but so may
other woods
+ + +
> The mystery wood is a lot softer than oak, but harder than poplar. It
> doesn't curl at all, and doesn't form a tight-knit shaving. Instead, it
> makes stringy corrugated sheets.
+ + +
Does not really ring any bells
+ + +
> Tearout wasn't a problem once I finally
> got the plane adjusted, and it eventually planed to a glass-like
> appearance.
> It's sort of cool, actually. If it weren't for the staples, I think I'd
use it to make a box or something.
+ + +
Sorry, can't place it.
PvR
P van Rijckevorsel wrote:
> Silvan <[email protected]> schreef
>> Wood costs money, and I have precious little of that. These were
>> salvage.
>
> In that case, who said they were "oak"?
I'm not sure what you call these things. Commercial furniture comes with a
frame thing (not really a pallet) stapled to the bottom, inside the box.
These are to reduce the likelihood of someone breaking the feet and such
off the thing in transit. I picked up several of them that had come off of
Indonesian furniture sold as being "solid oak."
It looked like decent wood, so I grabbed them. I would have used it had it
not been for all the staples. That and it was rough, and extremely prone
to tearout when I tried to plane it smooth. My plane might not be tuned
properly yet though.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2003, 12:32am [email protected] (Silvan)
says:
<snip> It was sold <snip> I don't like the wood enough to pull all the
staples out of it. <snip>
You bought wood with staples in it? I'll take free wood with
staples in it, but not in anything I actually pay for, unless it's just
one or two in the end, from a tag.
JOAT
There must be a hundred silver dollars in here. I can't handle that sort
o' money, you've gotta be in the league of lawyers to steal that much.
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My guess is that it is Meranti. Comes from Indonesia. It is a bit stingy and
hard to chisel.
You find a lot of doors made of it here.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No pictures, and a conclusive answer isn't really necessary. I just
thought
> maybe someone would know.
>
> It was sold as "oak." It comes from somewhere in the far east. It looks
> vaguely oak like, but it has sort of a coral pink cast to it, and the
grain
> structure reminds me of ash
>
> It seems to be on the soft side. A bit harder than poplar maybe, but not
as
> hard as red oak. It seems to be very stringy, and it's easy to split off
> big pieces if you try to chisel out too much at a time.
>
> I ended up letting my son practice chiseling hinge mortises in a couple
> pieces of the stuff because I don't like the wood enough to pull all the
> staples out of it.
>
> I'm just wondering what it might be. I realize I won't get a definitive
> answer. Especially without pictures.
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
Rough Guess, except for the Coral pink that you described it could be Ramin
Used a lot for carved mouldings
George
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> No pictures, and a conclusive answer isn't really necessary. I just
thought
> maybe someone would know.
>
> It was sold as "oak." It comes from somewhere in the far east. It looks
> vaguely oak like, but it has sort of a coral pink cast to it, and the
grain
> structure reminds me of ash
>
> It seems to be on the soft side. A bit harder than poplar maybe, but not
as
> hard as red oak. It seems to be very stringy, and it's easy to split off
> big pieces if you try to chisel out too much at a time.
>
> I ended up letting my son practice chiseling hinge mortises in a couple
> pieces of the stuff because I don't like the wood enough to pull all the
> staples out of it.
>
> I'm just wondering what it might be. I realize I won't get a definitive
> answer. Especially without pictures.
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
P van Rijckevorsel wrote:
> I am not sure there is such a thing as "Indonesian-made solid oak
> furniture". Anyway, unless you made a close comparison between the "frame
Yeah, sure there is. Notice the placement of the quotation marks.
Indonesian-made "solid oak" furniture.
> thing" and the "furniture" there is no reason to suppose these are the
> same wood.
True enough, though I think it probably is. If they don't make the carcass
out of this stuff, they use it somewhere, because these pieces were
surfaced too neatly for this to have been their primary use. It occurs to
me that it's quite likely that they build the furniture out of this and
then cover it with oak veneer. Solid wood, an oak skin a few microns
think, hence "solid oak."
> I hate to even think of the list of Indonesian woods that might be used
> for such packing purposes, there are just too many of them.
Well, I didn't think to photograph it, but I did play with it some more.
I practiced surfacing a cupped red oak board. The first time I've been
brave enough to touch real wood with my plane. I got it singing along
pretty well, finally. During the process of fiddling with the plane to get
it to make curlies without chattering or clogging, I shaved a lot of this
mystery wood too.
Red oak has a flat, dull appearance, and the shavings curl up into tight
little rolls. The mystery wood is almost glittery, doing some sort of cool
refractive things with light. That's where the very faint coral pink
appearance comes from, I think. Pink is more of a vague impression than
the actual color.
The mystery wood is a lot softer than oak, but harder than poplar. It
doesn't curl at all, and doesn't form a tight-knit shaving. Instead, it
makes stringy corrugated sheets. Tearout wasn't a problem once I finally
got the plane adjusted, and it eventually planed to a glass-like
appearance.
It's sort of cool, actually. If it weren't for the staples, I think I'd use
it to make a box or something.
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Charlie Self wrote:
> place to shop come next year. I forget the exact dates, but Roanoke is
> going to be the site of a new Woodcraft store, one of their new small
Cool! May as well see some benefit from the urbanization of this area. We
have big city traffic jams, so we should get some big city stores.
Now all I need is a car I trust to drive all the way to Roanoke. :(
I don't go further than I'm willing to walk. One car is 17 years old, and
the other one has a blown head gasket. It's a good thing work is only six
miles away. Two if I make arrangements with some property owners in
between.
I can probably borrow Dad's van for the odd pilgrimage though. SWMBO would
love to get to see the big city again. We haven't been since the head
gasket started leaking.
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:04:19 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I picked up several of them that had come off of
>Indonesian furniture sold as being "solid oak."
If Indonesia has any true oak, fry it up and I'll eat a hatful.
It's a shame they aren't more honest about their timber. It's probably
lovely stuff (for they're destroying their forests at a fearful rate),
but it ain't oak.
--
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T. wrote:
> You bought wood with staples in it? I'll take free wood with
> staples in it, but not in anything I actually pay for, unless it's just
> one or two in the end, from a tag.
Wood costs money, and I have precious little of that. These were salvage.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2003, 10:36am [email protected] (Silvan)
says:
Wood costs money, and I have precious little of that. These were
salvage.
I'm on a fixed income, don't need to be reminded 'bout wood costing
money. But in your original post you said: <snip> It was sold as
"oak." <snip> Now you're saying it was salvage. So, which was it, free
to you, or you paid for it?
If it's as bad as you make it sound, I doubt I'd have bought it,
but if I did pay for wood like that, I would definitely be pulling
staples, and not giving any away. Free, different entirely. But, even
free, I'd still be pullling staples, give the kid just a little, and he
pulls his own staples.
JOAT
I find the best approach is to take life as it comes.
- Death
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T. wrote:
> "oak." <snip> Now you're saying it was salvage. So, which was it, free
> to you, or you paid for it?
Free. I get most of my salvage wood from work. I drive for a furniture
distributor. I use a lot of dunnage and pallets. I explained what these
things were in my other post.
> staples, and not giving any away. Free, different entirely. But, even
> free, I'd still be pullling staples, give the kid just a little, and he
> pulls his own staples.
I *tried* to pull the staples, JOAT, but too many of them broke off so that
I couldn't dig them out. This wood isn't worth going to extreme measures.
I'd rather not risk screwing up another $35 saw blade.
Heh. Reminds me. Email me with your snail mail address and I have a
humorous present for you. Worth the cost of a stamp to imagine the look on
your face when you get it. (No, it's nothing bad. At best, you'll laugh
your ass off, and at worst you'll throw it away and think I'm an idiot for
sending it to you.)
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In article <[email protected]>,
George <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Maybe flavor that BBQ with some mesquite?
Just beware the Chef-BoyArDee imatation product -- "mesquite O's"
>
>http://www.worldagroforestrycentre.org/sea/Products/AFDbases/WD/asps/DisplayDetail.asp?SpecID=2910
>
>"P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Andy Dingley <[email protected]> schreef
>> > If Indonesia has any true oak, fry it up and I'll eat a hatful.
>>
>> + + +
>> Actually Indonesia does have true oak (Indonesia is BIG), and you would be
>> hard put to eat any of it, fried or not. Most of the woods of these oaks
>are
>> harder and heavier than temperate oaks. Not something you would expect in
>> furniture.
>> PvR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>