When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
exactly do they mean?
I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
makes perfect sense.
But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It issues
licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
electricians.
Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
electricians. What license are they referring to?
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:50:57 -0400, Glenn Ashmore <[email protected]> wrote:
>In Illinois each city has its own licencing exam but except for Chicago,
>most recognize eaach others. Here is a link to an application for a
>Chicago electrician's license:
>http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/Electrician_1.pdf
>
>
>
That is scary. My twelve year old son would qualify for that one!
Mark Rand Bsc. Electrical Engineering & Electronics (a 'competent person'
under the UK wiring regs)
RTFM
In Pennsylvania and California, A 'Licensed Electrician' was one who owned
an electrical business and passed a test to obtain the license. Others could
work for them however the responsibility that the work was completed
satisfactorily falls upon the owner of the business. No permits can be
obtained without the license. (Except by the home owner). In Pa. this only
held true only for the larger cities with payrolled inspectors. Outlying
areas did not require licensing and used NBFU inspectors or a private
recognized inspection company, They also issue the permits. Wash. Ore. Idaho
and Utah require that all work be done by or under direct supervision of a
working licensed individual. (The same license is valid in all those
states.)
Chipper Wood
useours, yours won't work
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:jOsCc.135532$3x.54830@attbi_s54...
> When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
> electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
> exactly do they mean?
>
> I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
> state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
> makes perfect sense.
>
> But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It
issues
> licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
> electricians.
>
> Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> electricians. What license are they referring to?
>
>
> Pennsylvania and California, A 'Licensed Electrician' was one who owned
>an electrical business and passed a test to obtain the license. Others could
>work for them however the responsibility that the work was completed
>satisfactorily falls upon the owner of the business. No permits can
This also is the way it is in chicago . My boss passed the test and we work for
him.Some years back the union was pushing for testing and license for the
electricans but did not make it
Mark H.
Chicago, L A, New York City and others are considered high fire hazard
zones. That's the reason for the ridged rules and wiring methods. If you
make a mistake in your country home, You might also burn down your
garage... In crowded cities lots of lives and real-estate are at risk. The
IBEW has an acceptable apprentice program. Hmmm. I guess that's better than
just reading a book.
--
Chipper Wood
useours, yours won't work
"Alan Sadler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:31:11 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a
licensed
> >electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop",
what
> >exactly do they mean?
> >
> >I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
> >state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
> >makes perfect sense.
> >
> >But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It
issues
> >licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
> >electricians.
> >
> >Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> >electricians. What license are they referring to?
>
> You are correct that the state does not register or license
> electricians in Illinois. Electrical tests for licenses and
> registration is handled by municipality. Most cities have their own
> electrical inspectors or departments that administers the electricians
> exam and grant licenses. Most other cities or municipalities
> recognize the license and only require a small fee and insurance to
> work there. The exception is Chicago, where you must pass a separate
> exam to do any electrical work, including low voltage.
> >
>
>Chicago, L A, New York City and others are considered high fire hazard
>zones. That's the reason for the ridged rules and wiring methods.
Since most fires are caused on the user side of the receptacles by extension
cords and space heaters I don't see how pipe in the wall is making you safer.
By making renovation so much more expensive, by banning fished cable, they are
actually encouraging an extension cord instead of just installing another
circuit.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:jOsCc.135532$3x.54830@attbi_s54...
> When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
> electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
> exactly do they mean?
>
> I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
> state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
> makes perfect sense.
>
> But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It
issues
> licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
> electricians.
>
> Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> electricians. What license are they referring to?
Driver's License? Fishing License? Gun License?
"Licensed electrician" can mean several things but for the purposes of pulling
permits (in Fliorida) this means the person is a licensed electrical
contractor, they have met experience requirements and have passed the tests,
have insurance and they carry at least $75,000 in performance bond. That also
includes all the other local occupational licenses, unemployment etc.
There are also places that have journeymen licenses for the people who work for
the contractor which mirrors the union structure in places with a "right to
work" law and they can't compel people to be unionized.
The reality is a lot of "licensed contractors" are just figureheads who may not
even live in the state with real bozos working under their license and a good
lawyer to fend off the unpleased customers.
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:31:11 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
>electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
>exactly do they mean?
>
>I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
>state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
>makes perfect sense.
>
>But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It issues
>licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
>electricians.
>
>Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
>electricians. What license are they referring to?
You are correct that the state does not register or license
electricians in Illinois. Electrical tests for licenses and
registration is handled by municipality. Most cities have their own
electrical inspectors or departments that administers the electricians
exam and grant licenses. Most other cities or municipalities
recognize the license and only require a small fee and insurance to
work there. The exception is Chicago, where you must pass a separate
exam to do any electrical work, including low voltage.
>
"AL" <[email protected]> writes:
>Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
>electricians. What license are they referring to?
Union card.
scott
"Chipper Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In Pennsylvania and California, A 'Licensed Electrician' was one who owned
> an electrical business and passed a test to obtain the license. Others
could
> work for them however the responsibility that the work was completed
> satisfactorily falls upon the owner of the business. No permits can be
> obtained without the license. (Except by the home owner). In Pa. this only
> held true only for the larger cities with payrolled inspectors. Outlying
> areas did not require licensing and used NBFU inspectors or a private
> recognized inspection company, They also issue the permits. Wash. Ore.
Idaho
> and Utah require that all work be done by or under direct supervision of a
> working licensed individual. (The same license is valid in all those
> states.)
>
> Chipper Wood
I used to live in Utah, and now reside in Washington State. One could do
his own wiring as long as it was not commercial, so a license was not
required. That may be different in Utah now, but I still have an open
permit for our home here in Washington, and no license is necessary. You
do have to work to code, however. In Washington, the State oversees
electrical, whereas in Utah it was left to the counties. Could be
different there now, I've been gone for over 8 years.
Harold
.>I used to live in Utah, and now reside in Washington State. One could do
>his own wiring as long as it was not commercial, so a license was not
>required.
In Florida "owner builders" can get permits for their residence, not rentals,
if they don't sell it for a year or for a business if they own the building and
the total project is something like $25,000 or less.
I currently have an owner/builder permit in my yard for a pool and the
associated deck, electrical and stem wall. It really was pretty painless.
The only rule was that any people I "hired" had to be licensed but anyone who
worked for free was OK. If I did hire an unlicensed person I had to buy
insurance for them, pay FICA etc. In another law there is a $500 per employee,
per year, exemption for "casual labor" but you still own their ass if they get
hurt.
I hired a few guys to move dirt but I got them from a licensed labor pool. It
was still cheaper than getting a machine
In article <[email protected]>,
CW <no adddress@spam free.com> wrote:
>Happens a lot. they simply don't know what they are talking about.
65 ILCS 5 11-37-1 through -4 says *you* don't know what you're talking about.
In Illinois electrician are licensed by the municipality.
>
>"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:jOsCc.135532$3x.54830@attbi_s54...
>>
>> Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
>> electricians. What license are they referring to?
>>
>>
>
>
In article <jOsCc.135532$3x.54830@attbi_s54>, AL <[email protected]> wrote:
>When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
>electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
>exactly do they mean?
>
>I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
>state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
>makes perfect sense.
>
>But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It issues
>licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
>electricians.
>
>Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
>electricians. What license are they referring to?
An _electricians_license_, oddly enough. <grin>
Issued by the municipality, not the state.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<jOsCc.135532$3x.54830@attbi_s54>...
> When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
> electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
> exactly do they mean?
>
> I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
> state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
> makes perfect sense.
>
> But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It issues
> licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
> electricians.
>
> Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> electricians. What license are they referring to?
Depends on the locality. My dad had licenses from several surrounding
towns where he did work but the state didn't have any licensing
authority. In many cities, if you had a license from another town,
they'd recognize it and issue a local license on the strength of that
upon surrendering the proper amount of green. Having a union card
helped there, too, since you had to have gone through the
apprenticeship program to get one and were, theoretically, properly
trained. If the local building code was considerably different than
other towns, you might have to study up and pass the test. He had to
do that several times when working out of state.
Stan
In the province of British Columbia Canada as well as most or all of the
other provinces I believe that in order to obtain a licence as a Electrician
you must first complete a 4 or 5 year apprenticeship, write and pass a IP
(inter-provincial red seal) test and then pay money to the licencing board
to obtain your Electricians License. Thas is pretty standard for most trades
in Canada ie: Welding, steel fabrication, machineing/tool&die,
millwright-industrial mechanic, auto mechanic/heavy duty-diesel
tech,aircraft maintenance engineer, carpentry ect. ect.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:jOsCc.135532$3x.54830@attbi_s54...
> When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
> electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
> exactly do they mean?
>
> I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
> state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
> makes perfect sense.
>
> But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It
issues
> licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
> electricians.
>
> Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> electricians. What license are they referring to?
>
>
Yup, we in Chicago have to run pipe in walls, even if they will be
drywalled. Like I said, mainly to keep the unions happy. Most
homeowners don't want to learn how to bend pipe. Although, I do admit
pipe makes it very easy to upgrade/make wiring changes down the road. I
just think the code should be written to allow homeowners the choice.
Lazarus Long wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:27:40 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm damned jealous of you folks who are allowed to do your own wiring.
>>I'm doing a major reno of my house and I need to use a licensed elec
>>outfit for ALL of the work. My quotes have ranged from 15 to 45k.
>>Granted, I need new service and that shouldn't be performed by a
>>homeowner. But for the branch circuits I am very capable, just not
>>allowed in Chicago. Hell, we can't use anything but conduit in the
>>walls. No Romex, no armored cable (bx), only pipe. :-( Strong
>>building codes are a good thing, but this is just to keep the
>>electricians working OT. Just MHO. Mark L.
>>
>
>
> Conduit in the walls!!!!!! Holy Crap, Batman! My house was built 63
> years ago with BX in the walls. Chicago ought to get with the times.
> Let's get 'em to move up to the 1940's.
In Illinois each city has its own licencing exam but except for Chicago,
most recognize eaach others. Here is a link to an application for a
Chicago electrician's license:
http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/Electrician_1.pdf
AL wrote:
> When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
> electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
> exactly do they mean?
>
> I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
> state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
> makes perfect sense.
>
> But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It issues
> licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
> electricians.
>
> Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> electricians. What license are they referring to?
>
>
--
Glenn Ashmore
I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com
"Chipper Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In Pennsylvania and California, A 'Licensed Electrician' was one who owned
> an electrical business and passed a test to obtain the license. Others could
> work for them however the responsibility that the work was completed
> satisfactorily falls upon the owner of the business. No permits can be
> obtained without the license.
Rules change from county-to-county and city-to-city but what you just
described is an electrical contractor, which is different from an electrician.
In my county, they license electricians (like me), master electricians, and
electrical contractors. Each have a separate exam (among other requirements)
and differing privileges.
Vaughn
Happens a lot. they simply don't know what they are talking about.
"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:jOsCc.135532$3x.54830@attbi_s54...
>
> Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> electricians. What license are they referring to?
>
>
AL writes:
> When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a
> licensed electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to
> your shop", what exactly do they mean?
State laws may provide an exemption for you to work on your own home as
long as you follow code and permitting procedures. In a commercial or
public structure, you may be outta luck.
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 13:09:10 +0800, Old Nick <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 01:21:37 GMT, "onsitewelding"
><[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
>......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
>And in Oz, we are theoretically not even allowed to change a fuse
>without a licensed electrician, licensed as shown below. In fact a
>registered electrician, apprenticed and diploma(ed), still has to get
>a ticket" to operate independently. He can work for a licensed leccy
>or as an employee in-house, but not for himself.
So, what's next in the nanny states, requiring an on-site licensed
electrician to plug things in or change light bulbs? ... or maybe go the
whole way and require one to even switch on the power to any device.
>
>>In the province of British Columbia Canada as well as most or all of the
>>other provinces I believe that in order to obtain a licence as a Electrician
>>you must first complete a 4 or 5 year apprenticeship, write and pass a IP
>>(inter-provincial red seal) test and then pay money to the licencing board
>>to obtain your Electricians License. Thas is pretty standard for most trades
>>in Canada ie: Welding, steel fabrication, machineing/tool&die,
>>millwright-industrial mechanic, auto mechanic/heavy duty-diesel
>>tech,aircraft maintenance engineer, carpentry ect. ect.
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:27:40 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm damned jealous of you folks who are allowed to do your own wiring.
>I'm doing a major reno of my house and I need to use a licensed elec
>outfit for ALL of the work. My quotes have ranged from 15 to 45k.
>Granted, I need new service and that shouldn't be performed by a
>homeowner. But for the branch circuits I am very capable, just not
>allowed in Chicago. Hell, we can't use anything but conduit in the
>walls. No Romex, no armored cable (bx), only pipe. :-( Strong
>building codes are a good thing, but this is just to keep the
>electricians working OT. Just MHO. Mark L.
>
Conduit in the walls!!!!!! Holy Crap, Batman! My house was built 63
years ago with BX in the walls. Chicago ought to get with the times.
Let's get 'em to move up to the 1940's.
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:38:52 -0500, "Paul K. Dickman"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Mark Rand wrote in message <[email protected]>...
>>On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:50:57 -0400, Glenn Ashmore <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>
>>>In Illinois each city has its own licencing exam but except for Chicago,
>>>most recognize eaach others. Here is a link to an application for a
>>>Chicago electrician's license:
>>>http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/Electri
>cian_1.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>That is scary. My twelve year old son would qualify for that one!
>>
>>Mark Rand Bsc. Electrical Engineering & Electronics (a 'competent person'
>>under the UK wiring regs)
>>
>>RTFM
>
>That's not the application for the license.
>That is the application to take the test, which you must pass to be
>qualified to apply for a license.
>
>Paul K. Dickman
>
Mea Culpa!!!!
Mark Rand
RTFM
Mark Rand wrote in message <[email protected]>...
>On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:50:57 -0400, Glenn Ashmore <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>>In Illinois each city has its own licencing exam but except for Chicago,
>>most recognize eaach others. Here is a link to an application for a
>>Chicago electrician's license:
>>http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/Electri
cian_1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>That is scary. My twelve year old son would qualify for that one!
>
>Mark Rand Bsc. Electrical Engineering & Electronics (a 'competent person'
>under the UK wiring regs)
>
>RTFM
That's not the application for the license.
That is the application to take the test, which you must pass to be
qualified to apply for a license.
Paul K. Dickman
Mark Rand wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:50:57 -0400, Glenn Ashmore <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>In Illinois each city has its own licencing exam but except for Chicago,
>>most recognize eaach others. Here is a link to an application for a
>>Chicago electrician's license:
>>http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/Electrician_1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
> That is scary. My twelve year old son would qualify for that one!
Read it again. "The applicant must be 21 years of age". Two years verified
work experience is required. Also, that's an application to take an exam
which has to be passed.
> Mark Rand Bsc. Electrical Engineering & Electronics (a 'competent person'
> under the UK wiring regs)
>
> RTFM
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:49:40 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
It certainly feels that way.
I actually am not sure how much is nanny state, and how much industry
power. People were talking of the "Union ticket" being needed.
> So, what's next in the nanny states, requiring an on-site licensed
>electrician to plug things in or change light bulbs? ... or maybe go the
>whole way and require one to even switch on the power to any device.
Glenn Ashmore <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<KmyCc.693$UA1.678@lakeread04>...
> In Illinois each city has its own licencing exam but except for Chicago,
> most recognize eaach others. Here is a link to an application for a
> Chicago electrician's license:
> http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/Electrician_1.pdf
>
>
>
> AL wrote:
> > When someone says "licensed electrician", as in "you have to be a licensed
> > electrician to get this permit to add the 240V outlets to your shop", what
> > exactly do they mean?
> >
> > I know in most states (for example, Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan), a
> > state agency issues a license after successfully passing an exam. This
> > makes perfect sense.
> >
> > But in Illinois, the state does NOT issue electrician's licenses. It issues
> > licenses to doctors, lawyers, realtors, hair dressers, etc., but not
> > electricians.
> >
> > Yet many local Chicagoland building inspectors insist on license
> > electricians. What license are they referring to?
> >
> >
Idaho too, allows a homeowner to do his own electrical. Did my own
shop with 240's and 120's, saved a bunch of money. The city or county
electrical inspector is the one to talk to in your area.
>Idaho too, allows a homeowner to do his own electrical. Did my own
>shop with 240's and 120's, saved a bunch of money. The city or county
>electrical inspector is the one to talk to in your area.
These days you might find everything you need on the internet site for your
local government. When I pulled my permits I got all the instructions,
checklists and application forms online. It made things real easy when I got
downtown because I had all my ducks in a row before I went in.
Mark Rand wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:50:57 -0400, Glenn Ashmore <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In Illinois each city has its own licencing exam but except for Chicago,
>>most recognize eaach others. Here is a link to an application for a
>>Chicago electrician's license:
>>http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/Electrician_1.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>
> That is scary. My twelve year old son would qualify for that one!
>
> Mark Rand Bsc. Electrical Engineering & Electronics (a 'competent person'
> under the UK wiring regs)
>
> RTFM
What I see is :
1. documentation on the person kept in the file - just in case...
2. Tax / a.k.a. fee paid.
3. if licensed this way - at least the customer in trouble can call the city and
get some help - or the DA or ....
Martin
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 01:21:37 GMT, "onsitewelding"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email
And in Oz, we are theoretically not even allowed to change a fuse
without a licensed electrician, licensed as shown below. In fact a
registered electrician, apprenticed and diploma(ed), still has to get
a ticket" to operate independently. He can work for a licensed leccy
or as an employee in-house, but not for himself.
>In the province of British Columbia Canada as well as most or all of the
>other provinces I believe that in order to obtain a licence as a Electrician
>you must first complete a 4 or 5 year apprenticeship, write and pass a IP
>(inter-provincial red seal) test and then pay money to the licencing board
>to obtain your Electricians License. Thas is pretty standard for most trades
>in Canada ie: Welding, steel fabrication, machineing/tool&die,
>millwright-industrial mechanic, auto mechanic/heavy duty-diesel
>tech,aircraft maintenance engineer, carpentry ect. ect.
I'm damned jealous of you folks who are allowed to do your own wiring.
I'm doing a major reno of my house and I need to use a licensed elec
outfit for ALL of the work. My quotes have ranged from 15 to 45k.
Granted, I need new service and that shouldn't be performed by a
homeowner. But for the branch circuits I am very capable, just not
allowed in Chicago. Hell, we can't use anything but conduit in the
walls. No Romex, no armored cable (bx), only pipe. :-( Strong
building codes are a good thing, but this is just to keep the
electricians working OT. Just MHO. Mark L.
Harold & Susan Vordos wrote:
> "Chipper Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>In Pennsylvania and California, A 'Licensed Electrician' was one who owned
>>an electrical business and passed a test to obtain the license. Others
>
> could
>
>>work for them however the responsibility that the work was completed
>>satisfactorily falls upon the owner of the business. No permits can be
>>obtained without the license. (Except by the home owner). In Pa. this only
>>held true only for the larger cities with payrolled inspectors. Outlying
>>areas did not require licensing and used NBFU inspectors or a private
>>recognized inspection company, They also issue the permits. Wash. Ore.
>
> Idaho
>
>>and Utah require that all work be done by or under direct supervision of a
>>working licensed individual. (The same license is valid in all those
>>states.)
>>
>>Chipper Wood
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>
> I used to live in Utah, and now reside in Washington State. One could do
> his own wiring as long as it was not commercial, so a license was not
> required. That may be different in Utah now, but I still have an open
> permit for our home here in Washington, and no license is necessary. You
> do have to work to code, however. In Washington, the State oversees
> electrical, whereas in Utah it was left to the counties. Could be
> different there now, I've been gone for over 8 years.
>
> Harold
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>