Americans should buy Lee Valley tools and sell back to Canadians on Ebay.

Well I must admit, I supported him with the understanding about having to pay too much....

Hope I am not in trouble ( scurries off, tail between legs .... )

Alex

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:13:06 -0600, "Grant P. Beagles"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
>has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
>border discovered how great it is!). Someone told us that we couldn't bring it
>back with us. Since we had several hours to wait for the ferry to load, we
>decided that they couldn't complain if we brought it back IN us! Picture 6 or 8
>college students, two cases of dry Canadian cider, a nice cool day (and by the
>way a bottle of Crown for variety). The ferry ride was a blast!
>

Good thing it was a calm day, eh ?

That's a pretty ride.

> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
> Valley
> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
> There could be a nice profit to be made.

Nice try. If you consider shipping to the US, shipping back to Canada, PST
and GST, clearance charges, and the credit card exchange rate, the plane
will end up costing more, not less.

>>Nice try. If you consider shipping to the US, shipping back to Canada, PST
>>and GST, clearance charges, and the credit card exchange rate, the plane
>>will end up costing more, not less.
>>
> Perhaps you should remove your head from your ass and do the actual math
> instead
> of making shit up.

Perhaps you can hold off on the juvenille insults for a bit and post your
own math to back up your own claims. That way we can point out and correct
your errors.

> ... at least one can smoke a joint in front of a cop B.C. ...a bit more
> relaxed than here!
> (not that I do that myself of course, and I do not)

A Vancouver cop once told me they basically ignore people in possession of
minor amounts of pot. If you want to get arrested you need to do something
really stupid, like trying to put out the joint on their foreheads.

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fMVkd.93113$bk1.37588@fed1read05...
>
>> That's a neat trick. I wonder how they account for the coffee and donuts
>> you had for breakfast which adds weight not to mention how much
>> difference
>> in weight there is between a full tank of gas and an empty one. Please
>> to
>> explain?
>> Frank
>>
>>
> They take that into account. They know the weight of gas and record how
> full
> the tank is. "They" know how to figure it all in. Same at the Mexican
> border
> but no doubt all the more thoroughly done. Probably a bit more casual up
> north.


Uh huh.

GregP wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:13:06 -0600, "Grant P. Beagles"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
>>has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
>>border discovered how great it is!). Someone told us that we couldn't bring it
>>back with us. Since we had several hours to wait for the ferry to load, we
>>decided that they couldn't complain if we brought it back IN us! Picture 6 or 8
>>college students, two cases of dry Canadian cider, a nice cool day (and by the
>>way a bottle of Crown for variety). The ferry ride was a blast!
>>
>
>
> Good thing it was a calm day, eh ?
>
> That's a pretty ride.

My wifes a cyder drinker, and her opinion of Canadian cider is its a
weak copy of the real thing! Proper scrumpy is the READ DEAL!

Niel.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:57:34 GMT, "Robert" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:27:16 -0500, Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The problem with your accusation is that you insist that Canadian
>>customers are getting screwed. There is another way to look at it:
>>American customers are getting a bargain at the expense of LV.
>
>No, American customers are getting a bargain at the expense of Canadian
>customers.
>No big deal.
>Lee Valley doesn't really need Canadian customers if they can get enough
>American ones.
>I suspect that their business plan in a nutshell.<g>

comma added.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:28:33 -0500, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"gw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >
>> Robert could set up a PO box in the US, then come down once in a while and
>> smuggle a few planes back over the border crammed into a body cavity.
>
>I think you're too late. He sounds like he already has something stuck in a
>body cavity.
>
Well it's definitely not your head, we already know you have that firmly
embedded in Rob 'you know who's' ass.<g>

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last
> catalog so
> I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I first
> received it.
>

I have _zero_ knowledge of Lee Valley's actual operations.

I *do* have considerable experience with large catalog preparation,
publishing, and distribution. It is a _big_, *EXPENSIVE*, job.

You can safely assume that anything you see in the catalog was 'cast in stone'
at least 60 days before the _first_ mailings. That's the kind of time it
takes to do the printing and binding, addressing, and appropriate 'bundling'
for least-cost mail delivery.

On top of that, there is another 45 days, minimum, for the typesetting of the
changed pages, proofing, doing the color separations, etc. that are required
to have the material ready to 'go to press'.

If they're printing from a 'database', then 'applying' the 'decided upon'
currency conversion can be done for the entire catalog "shortly before" they
start the typesetting stage. If they use 'rounded' conversions -- so the
price comes out as 49.99, instead of 50.07, for example, somebody has to
review all the roundings, and possibly over-ride a round-up/round-down
decision. Pricing for every _new_ item (i.e. 'not previously published')
has to be manually reviewed, to ensure that there were no errors in the
database entry/extraction/conversion formulas for *that* item. This adds
a week or two to the time-line.

If there is any 'body copy' that makes indirect/imprecise reference to pricing,
then the pricing has to be set _before_ that body copy is written. This
shoves things back another couple of weeks, at least.

Thus, pricing ends up 'frozen' a good *FOUR*MONTHS* before the first catalogs
go in the mail.


Now, it is a _fact_ that the value of the Canadian Dollar, vs the American
Dollar was _falling_ from the first week in January, 2004, through the first
week of June, 2004. And the international futures markets show that the
_world_at_large_ expected (as late as Mid-May, 2004) that the Canadian Dollar
would remain in the US$0.71-0.75 range, *THROUGH* September of 2005. That's
right, the year TWO THOUSAND FIVE.

Starting in _mid-May, 2004_, the _further_out_ (i.e. Sept, 2005) projected
value of the CAN$ started to rise. It wasn't until the 1st week of June,
however, that the September, 2004 projected value started to rise.

It is an indisputable fact that the world-at-large did *NOT* see the run-up
in the value of the CAN$ coming. Early Spring 2004, expectations were that
the CAN$ was going to _loose_ another 1-2 cents by Summer/Fall 2005.

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
> Leon, you must be a Republican. Only they are this stupid.:)

Robert, you must be a Democrat. Only they will whine about something and
not do anything about it. ;~)

On 12 Nov 2004 17:04:29 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:01:04 GMT, Robert <[email protected]> wrote:

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:38:29 GMT, Village idiot and wreck hypocrite "Rob Stokes"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Implying I do?
>
>Wipe that stupid <g> off your face and give it up Robert... If you don't
>like the way LV does business, don't do business with them. It's really that
>simple. LV's management doesn't have to answer to you or anybody. It's their
>company, it's a private company and they can do with it what they see fit.

It's funny I never read this from you when people call Craftsman (as an example)
tools junk.
I guess there's one set of rules for Sears and another for Lee Valley hey? <g>

Lee Valley can do as they like.
And I have the right to point out their crappy business practices in this group.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:01:04 GMT, Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>No, American customers are getting a bargain at the expense of Canadian
>customers.
>No big deal.

Think of it as the prescription drug thing, only in reverse.

In article <[email protected]>,
Robert <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:58:44 +0000, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi)
>wrote:
>
>>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last
>>> catalog so
>>> I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I first
>>> received it.
>>>
>>
>>I have _zero_ knowledge of Lee Valley's actual operations.
>>
>>I *do* have considerable experience with large catalog preparation,
>>publishing, and distribution. It is a _big_, *EXPENSIVE*, job.
>>
>>You can safely assume that anything you see in the catalog was 'cast in stone'
>>at least 60 days before the _first_ mailings. That's the kind of time it
>>takes to do the printing and binding, addressing, and appropriate 'bundling'
>>for least-cost mail delivery.
>>
>>On top of that, there is another 45 days, minimum, for the typesetting of the
>>changed pages, proofing, doing the color separations, etc. that are required
>>to have the material ready to 'go to press'.
>>
>>If they're printing from a 'database', then 'applying' the 'decided upon'
>>currency conversion can be done for the entire catalog "shortly before" they
>>start the typesetting stage. If they use 'rounded' conversions -- so the
>>price comes out as 49.99, instead of 50.07, for example, somebody has to
>>review all the roundings, and possibly over-ride a round-up/round-down
>>decision. Pricing for every _new_ item (i.e. 'not previously published')
>>has to be manually reviewed, to ensure that there were no errors in the
>>database entry/extraction/conversion formulas for *that* item. This adds
>>a week or two to the time-line.
>>
>>If there is any 'body copy' that makes indirect/imprecise reference to pricing,
>>then the pricing has to be set _before_ that body copy is written. This
>>shoves things back another couple of weeks, at least.
>>
>>Thus, pricing ends up 'frozen' a good *FOUR*MONTHS* before the first catalogs
>>go in the mail.
>>
>Silly person.
>Maybe back in the stone age.

In fact, _two_years_ ago. For a U.S.-based company in the same line of
business as Lee Valley, as it happens.

>I used to work for a catalog giant, Eatons, and have friends who work catalog
>for Sears Canada.
>They set sale cat pricing 20 days or LESS before the book hits the streets.

A 'sale catalog', by definition, is not a large catalog.
The production process is much different for a sale catalog. You get that
ability to set pricing much closer to mailing date at a significantly higher
production cost.

Funny thing, too. you can get much faster turn-around on a large number of
copies of a relatively small number of pages, than on a relatively small number
of copies of a large number of pages.

There is also the issue of the _number_ of people you're willing to throw at
the task. Which has to be amortized over the number of copies produced.

And whether the catalog production is the _only_ thing they do, or whether
they have to do 'something else' _most_ of the time.

A *BIG* company, like Sears, or Eatons, has a large advantage in all those
areas; a *much* bigger base -- at least two orders of magnitude -- to
amortize costs across, *Dedicated* departments/staff doing the work. and
and producing _many_ publications per year.

They spend considerably more on advertising, per dollar of revenue/profit,
and which is reflected in the amount of 'mark-up' they have to take.
On the other hand, because of the 'economies of scale', they get *more*
'value' per dollar spent on catalog production.

> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?
>
>
Responding to him is about being involved in the conversation LRod... that's why.
He doesn't seem to be a "retard", merely disgruntled at the prices he and all Canadians
must pay, at 30% higher than U.S. people when Veritas tools are made IN Canada. I
do not blame him one bit because it isn't fair one bit.

Alex

On for goodness sake Robert - get a life.
Dave

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
> Valley
> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
> There could be a nice profit to be made.

Sorry, the one I ordered this weekend is for my kid's Christmas.

Enjoy the "free" (taxes in) healthcare....

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
Valley
> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
> There could be a nice profit to be made.

And you think will help???

I can see Robin now: Oh my God! Robert is pissed at us! We have to recall
all of our catalogs, reprint everything! Appologize and give him 50% off on
the $35 CDN He was going to spend with us at Christmas! You heard me team!
Get going!

Ya Right!


"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:23:06 -0800, "TeamCasa" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On for goodness sake Robert - get a life.
>
> I have a life, but a limited Christmas budget. I'm just trying to get Lee
> Valley
> to stop screwing over it's Canadian customers in time for my Christmas
> shopping.<g>
> With the CDN dollar at almost 84 cents US it's Lee Valley's Canadian
> customers
> who have to be on crack to shop there.
>
>>Dave
>>
>>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
>>> Valley
>>> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>>> There could be a nice profit to be made.
>>
>

After paying a visit to Havana and Leningrad, I stepped up to US customs at
JFK, and declared my Soviet booze. The official noted the Czech embassy
(Cuban) stamp and asked if I had brought back anything from Cuba.

"Uh, why?"

"Embargo. Nothing Cuban can enter the US."

At about the time I was framing my denial, he ran across the "Russian"
cigars - his term - and graciously accepted three - one for himself then,
and two for after dinner with his dad.

I did pay duty on an extra liter of vodka.

"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:NXVkd.528$mc.246@trnddc07...
.
>
> So I stop at the US side at Blaine, WA coming back from Vancouver driving
> a semi-beat-up 74 Plymouth. Guy with the appearance of a gas jocky at
> Chevron (not at all like the neatly uniformed Canadian border types)
> wants to know what I bought while I was gone for 3 days. "Nothing I
> didn't consume, everything I saw I could buy cheaper at home" says I.
> Forty five (45) minutes later they're still searching for something - one
> marijuana seed - anything!
>
> Now I should have known better having once witnessed the complete ripping
> apart of a couple suitcases by English customs on a return from France.
> Guy told me he had all kinds of crap he was bringing in. I told him my
> old man always told me to declare *something*. He ignored my advice,
> declared nothing and probably spent a couple years in one of Her
> Majesty's Hotels.
>

Robert wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:09:54 -0500, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:00:21 -0500, Daniel H <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >[2] I don't recall any Americans complaining about how much cheaper it
>>> >would be to buy CAD at $1.50CAD/USD and buy their Lee Valley toys in
>>> >Canada at the time we had a 66-cent dollar. The exchange rate sword
>>> >cuts both ways.
>>>
>>> Canadians still paid more.
>>> There has never been a point in at least the last two years where
>>Canadians
>>> didn't pay more than Americans.
>>
>>I hate to feed a troll - but can't let inaccurate statements stand.... our
>>pricing policy overall sets US prices 2-3% higher than Canadian prices,
>>for the exchange rate we price with. This reflects our additional cost of
>>customs work, and absorbing any duty...
>>
> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last
> catalog so I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I
> first received it.
>
> Frankly I believe you are lying.

if you don't like his prices than don't support his establishment! I don't
buy from woodworkers supply, I don't even open the catalogs that they send
me, they screwed me on an order and seemed rather incompetent on fixing it,
I I don't care what there charging. if you don't like Mr Lee's prices than
go someware else no one makes you buy from him

Robert wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:38:29 GMT, Vilpurchasedt and wreck hypocrite "Rob
> Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Implying I do?
>>
>>Wipe that stupid <g> off your face and give it up Robert... If you don't
>>like the way LV does business, don't do business with them. It's really
>>that simple. LV's management doesn't have to answer to you or anybody.
>>It's their company, it's a private company and they can do with it what
>>they see fit.
>
> It's funny I never read this from you when people call Craftsman (as an
> example) tools junk.
> I guess there's one set of rules for Sears and another for Lee Valley hey?
> <g>
>
> Lee Valley can do as they like.
> And I have the right to point out their crappy business practices in this
> group.

Craftmens tools are Junk, and over priced, I've never purchased any tools
from Lee Valley so I don't know about there quality, if there not, he's
VERY proud of them, there a little out of my price range right now. You
have the right to complain, at least I think Canadians still have that
right, just remember it makes you look like a winning ass, and unfairly
adds to the common preception of what Canadains are he in the states

Robert wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:24:56 -0800,propertyasa" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
bridgeI caBrooklynbin now: Oh my God! Robert is pissed at us! We have to
>>recall
>>all of our catalogs, reprint everything! Appologize and give him 50% off
>>on
>>the $35 CDN He was going to spend with us at Christmas! You heard me
>>team! Get going!
>
> Cool!
> All I can say is it's about fucking time!

hey Robert I can make you a great deal on some ocean front property in
Arizona, and there's this bridge in Brooklyn that I'll sell for real cheap

Robert wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:11:49 +0000, LRod <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:23:09 GMT, "Leon"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?
>>
> Because that's what Rob Lee wanted.
>
> In one of my first posts I praised Lee Valley customer service and felt it
> was worth paying a bit more.
>
> Rob Lee in his response snipped that part of my post out.
> His response was basically marching orders to his groupies to flame me out
> of the Wreck.
>
> Didn't work as well as he liked<g>, so a few days later Rob responded with
> a veiled threat.
>
> That didn't work either. Just verified that he's an asshole.
>
> I've already said that along with common sense, Lee Valley groupies lack
> any semblance of self control.

I think someone needs a thicker tin foil hat

AAvK wrote:

> > That's a neat trick. I wonder how they account for the coffee and donuts
> > you had for breakfast which adds weight not to mention how much difference
> > in weight there is between a full tank of gas and an empty one. Please to
> > explain?
> > Frank
> >
> >
> They take that into account. They know the weight of gas and record how full
> the tank is. "They" know how to figure it all in. Same at the Mexican border
> but no doubt all the more thoroughly done. Probably a bit more casual up
> north.
>
> Alex

I live within 2 miles of the Canadian border. In all the trips I've made into
Canada never once did an inspector on either side of the bridge look at my gas
gauge. My job has required me to be on site while the lanes at the inspection
booths were dug up to install various sensors/detectors since 9/11. There
are/were no scales.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Lobby Dosser wrote:

> So I stop at the US side at Blaine, WA coming back from Vancouver driving
> a semi-beat-up 74 Plymouth. Guy with the appearance of a gas jocky at
> Chevron (not at all like the neatly uniformed Canadian border types)
> wants to know what I bought while I was gone for 3 days. "Nothing I
> didn't consume, everything I saw I could buy cheaper at home" says I.
> Forty five (45) minutes later they're still searching for something - one
> marijuana seed - anything!

Years ago a co-worker rented a cottage in Canada for the summer. One day he
while crossing the border into the US he made the mistake of telling the
inspector to hurry up as he was running a few minutes late for work. They
pulled him over and practically disassembled his car, removing the seats,
dash, upholstery panels, etc. After finding nothing they were kind enough to
loan him a screwdriver so he could put his car back together. He got to work
7 hours late.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

AAvK wrote:

> > I live within 2 miles of the Canadian border. In all the trips I've made into
> > Canada never once did an inspector on either side of the bridge look at my gas
> > gauge. My job has required me to be on site while the lanes at the inspection
> > booths were dug up to install various sensors/detectors since 9/11. There
> > are/were no scales.
> >
> >
> Well that's good to hear! Do you shop in Canada and bring it all home, no problem?
>
> Alex

I've never had a problem. Of course I declare everything I purchase as well. In
general you're allowed a duty free exemption for most items up to a total value of
$200 for each person family member that resides in your household and is with you,
provided you've been in Canada less than 48 hour and haven't used the "duty free"
exemption in the last 30 days.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

Except the ones who want to keep jobs from being outsourced, of course.

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Nobody wants to pay for something if they can find a way to pay less, but
> that doesn't for one second excuse his attacks on Lee Valley. I think Lee
> Valley tools are expensive too. I don't like having to pay for anything if
I
> can help it, but the idea of LV not existing at all is much less desirable
> than what it costs me to buy from them.
>
>

Except in exports.

I know you understand that, you must have forgotten.

"Michael Daly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

In other areas, of course, the falling US dollar
> will hurt the US. Don't expect VI Robert to understand anything like
that.
>
> Mike

Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
border discovered how great it is!). Someone told us that we couldn't bring it
back with us. Since we had several hours to wait for the ferry to load, we
decided that they couldn't complain if we brought it back IN us! Picture 6 or 8
college students, two cases of dry Canadian cider, a nice cool day (and by the
way a bottle of Crown for variety). The ferry ride was a blast!

Grant



Stephen M wrote:

>
>
> Booze is OK in modest quantities. My wife has brought back a case of wine on
> several occaisions and US boys don't consider it worth thir time to make a
> fuss over.
>
> -Steve

Who said it was calm!



GregP wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:13:06 -0600, "Grant P. Beagles"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Reminds me of the time a bunch of us were coming back from Victoria, B.C. We
> >has a couple of cases of hard cider (this was before most folks south of the
> >border discovered how great it is!). Someone told us that we couldn't bring it
> >back with us. Since we had several hours to wait for the ferry to load, we
> >decided that they couldn't complain if we brought it back IN us! Picture 6 or 8
> >college students, two cases of dry Canadian cider, a nice cool day (and by the
> >way a bottle of Crown for variety). The ferry ride was a blast!
> >
>
> Good thing it was a calm day, eh ?
>
> That's a pretty ride.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:03:13 GMT, "Michael Daly" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Canadians are not really any different than other folks. There's
>one like Robert in every village.

Yes, but in our village we have a pond for him to sit in.

> Robert's not a "fellow" Canadian, he's an idiot and an embarrassment to the
> country.
>
>
And you are fascist, love Hitler and his wet dreams, and belong in another country. Correct?

Alex

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
Valley
> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.

You can buy a plane for $350?
Doncha' have an FAA-type-of-thing up there?

PS: Thanks for the cheep Vioxx.

In article <WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03>, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]> wrote:

>LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Or uncertainty.

We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a vacation.
We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do more
after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we were
carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered whether
Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to fall
into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have them
with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit surprised
that they allowed us in *without* a search.

--
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On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:57:33 -0800, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>Nice try. If you consider shipping to the US, shipping back to Canada, PST
>>>and GST, clearance charges, and the credit card exchange rate, the plane
>>>will end up costing more, not less.
>>>
>> Perhaps you should remove your head from your ass and do the actual math
>> instead
>> of making shit up.
>
>Perhaps you can hold off on the juvenille insults for a bit and post your
>own math to back up your own claims. That way we can point out and correct
>your errors.
>
In other words you admit you are full of shit.:)

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:49:20 -0700, Richard Clements <[email protected]>
dribbled the following onto his keyboard:


>>
>> I've already said that along with common sense, Lee Valley groupies lack
>> any semblance of self control.
>
>I think someone needs a thicker tin foil hat

LOL!
Like I said, these groupies are completely incontinent.

"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
> > Valley
> > costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
> > There could be a nice profit to be made.
>
> Nice try. If you consider shipping to the US, shipping back to Canada, PST
> and GST, clearance charges, and the credit card exchange rate, the plane
> will end up costing more, not less.
>
>
Robert could set up a PO box in the US, then come down once in a while and
smuggle a few planes back over the border crammed into a body cavity.

Caveat Emptor

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> Uh huh.
>>
>>
> ...and then while you're outside your carry-all they'll weigh YOU and
> take that into account too! ...make your gringo ass illegal!
> Oh yes oh yes!
>
> Alex
>
>
>

You might want to mike your tinfoil, looks like you need a double
layer.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:27:16 -0500, Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:

>The problem with your accusation is that you insist that Canadian
>customers are getting screwed. There is another way to look at it:
>American customers are getting a bargain at the expense of LV.

No American customers are getting a bargain at the expense of Canadian
customers.
No big deal.
Lee Valley doesn't really need Canadian customers if they can get enough
American ones.
I suspect that their business plan in a nutshell.<g>

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:45:29 -0700, Richard Clements
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Robert wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:38:29 GMT, Vilpurchasedt and wreck hypocrite "Rob
>> Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Implying I do?
>>>
>>>Wipe that stupid <g> off your face and give it up Robert... If you don't
>>>like the way LV does business, don't do business with them. It's really
>>>that simple. LV's management doesn't have to answer to you or anybody.
>>>It's their company, it's a private company and they can do with it what
>>>they see fit.
>>
>> It's funny I never read this from you when people call Craftsman (as an
>> example) tools junk.
>> I guess there's one set of rules for Sears and another for Lee Valley hey?
>> <g>
>>
>> Lee Valley can do as they like.
>> And I have the right to point out their crappy business practices in this
>> group.
>
>Craftmens tools are Junk, and over priced, I've never purchased any tools
>from Lee Valley so I don't know about there quality, if there not, he's
>VERY proud of them, there a little out of my price range right now. You
>have the right to complain, at least I think Canadians still have that
>right, just remember it makes you look like a winning ass, and unfairly
>adds to the common preception of what Canadains are he in the states

Nah, Robert doesn't make me think any less of Canadians in general.
You all seem like pretty nice folks. Looks like everyone needs to
grab some more tuna, though.

Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:03:41 -0500, "gw" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> > A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
>> > Valley
>> > costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>> > There could be a nice profit to be made.
>>
>> Nice try. If you consider shipping to the US, shipping back to Canada, PST
>> and GST, clearance charges, and the credit card exchange rate, the plane
>> will end up costing more, not less.
>>
>>
>Robert could set up a PO box in the US, then come down once in a while and
>smuggle a few planes back over the border crammed into a body cavity.
>
>Caveat Emptor
>



"are you happy to see me or is that a LV low angle smoother in your
pocket...."

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:24:04 +0000, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi)
wrote:

>In article <ujmld.210636$nl.179611@pd7tw3no>,
>BeerBoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>...... Now, it is a _fact_ that the value of the Canadian Dollar, vs the
>>American
>>> Dollar was _falling_ from the first week in January, 2004, through the
>>> first
>>> week of June, 2004. And the international futures markets show that the
>>> _world_at_large_ expected (as late as Mid-May, 2004) that the Canadian
>>> Dollar
>>> would remain in the US$0.71-0.75 range, *THROUGH* September of 2005.
>>> That's
>>> right, the year TWO THOUSAND FIVE.
>>>
>>> Starting in _mid-May, 2004_, the _further_out_ (i.e. Sept, 2005) projected
>>> value of the CAN$ started to rise. It wasn't until the 1st week of June,
>>> however, that the September, 2004 projected value started to rise.
>>>
>>> It is an indisputable fact that the world-at-large did *NOT* see the
>>> run-up
>>> in the value of the CAN$ coming. Early Spring 2004, expectations were
>>> that
>>> the CAN$ was going to _loose_ another 1-2 cents by Summer/Fall 2005.
>>>
>>
>>Isn't it the US dollar that is losing value not the CDN dollar rising?
>
>That is a distinction without a difference. <grin>
>
>When you're considering =relative= values in _two_ markets, the effect
>of one currency rising in value is exactly identical to the other currency
>falling in value.
>
>The 'futures' markets price in US$, for a fixed 'face' amount of the 'foreign'
>currency.
>
>>So the prices for the US customers should be rising which won't benefit
>>Robert in any way. The CDN price won't change.
>
>Rob Lee said that their _costs_ are in CDN $, so it doesn't matter whether
>the CDN $ is strengthening, or the US$ is weakening -- CDN prices would
>remain constant.
>
>But, yes, with the relative strengthening of the CDN dollar vs the US dollar,
>(or the weakening of the US$ vs the CDN$) 'U.S. dollar denominated' prices
>would be expected to rise.
>
>>Anyway, I'm Canadian and I hope Robert isn't giving us a bad name down
>>south. It appears he is our village idiot.
>
>And in the running for the _provincial_ title, as I understand it. <grin>
>
>
>I also notice he wasn't bitching for the 1st half of the year, when the
>relative value of the dollar was _rising_, and Lee Valley didn't adjust U.S.
>prices _downward_ to compensate. Obviously he thinks that their 'screwing the
>U.S. customers' -- in exactly the manner in which he presently claims that Lee
>Valley is 'screwing their Canadian' customers -- *is* acceptable.
>
>Which establishes beyond any doubt that his claim is *not* based on 'a matter
>of "ethics"' but pure, selfish, self-interest.

You are a village idiot in a group full of village idiots.

Veritas® #6 Fore Plane
Show me just ONE day in the past two years where Americans did not pay less for
this plane than Canadians.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:45:29 -0700, Richard Clements
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Robert wrote:

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:35:33 +0000, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

[boring stuff]

Couldn't you have laid one "false-to-fact" on him?

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:35:33 +0000, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi)
wrote:

>A 'sale catalog', by definition, is not a large catalog.

Do you really have a clue? I don't think you do.

Sears sale books in Canada are at least double the page size of Lee Valleys MAIN
books.

Robert wrote:
> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee Valley
> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
> There could be a nice profit to be made.

Robert,

[1] This is a good opportunity for arbitrage on your part. If you are
really serious, do it! I know people who buy electronics, send the
merchandise to friends in the USA, and then pick them up. Now, these
people I know live close to the border...

[2] I don't recall any Americans complaining about how much cheaper it
would be to buy CAD at $1.50CAD/USD and buy their Lee Valley toys in
Canada at the time we had a 66-cent dollar. The exchange rate sword
cuts both ways.

[3] If you really wanted to save some money, you could do what I
recently did: I submitted an order to LV, got 7% off, and free shipping
as well. Of course, this deal that got last Saturday only works if you
were in the Toronto area this past weekend.

- Daniel

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:23:09 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:09:54 -0500, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last
>> catalog so
>> I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I first
>> received it.
>>
>> Frankly I believe you are lying.
>>
>
>You know Frank you certainly do not have to buy from LeeValley. The
>information you are requesting is absolutely none of your business.
>
In other words you agree with me. LOL!

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:26:58 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:30:52 -0700, Richard Clements
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Robert wrote:
>>
>> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?
>
>
>Which begs the question, why post the same question so many times.

Each of my posts was to a particular poster who had responded.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:23:06 -0800, "TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On for goodness sake Robert - get a life.

I have a life, but a limited Christmas budget. I'm just trying to get Lee Valley
to stop screwing over it's Canadian customers in time for my Christmas
shopping.<g>
With the CDN dollar at almost 84 cents US it's Lee Valley's Canadian customers
who have to be on crack to shop there.

>Dave
>
>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
>> Valley
>> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>> There could be a nice profit to be made.
>

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:35:31 -0500, DamnYankee <[email protected]> wrote:

>Robert wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:16:05 -0500, Waldo2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Go back fifteen years when the Canadian dollar was dropping like a boat
>>>anchor into a thousand feet of water. What do you think happened then?
>>
>>
>> Who cares.
>>
>> What does that have to do with current Lee Valley pricing policy?
>
>Ever stop to think that maybe LV sells 100 times more product in the
>U.S. than Canada

I'm sure that's Lee Valleys goal, but shafting Canadians who gave the company
it's start is a nasty way to do it.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:58:44 +0000, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi)
wrote:

>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last
>> catalog so
>> I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I first
>> received it.
>>
>
>I have _zero_ knowledge of Lee Valley's actual operations.
>
>I *do* have considerable experience with large catalog preparation,
>publishing, and distribution. It is a _big_, *EXPENSIVE*, job.
>
>You can safely assume that anything you see in the catalog was 'cast in stone'
>at least 60 days before the _first_ mailings. That's the kind of time it
>takes to do the printing and binding, addressing, and appropriate 'bundling'
>for least-cost mail delivery.
>
>On top of that, there is another 45 days, minimum, for the typesetting of the
>changed pages, proofing, doing the color separations, etc. that are required
>to have the material ready to 'go to press'.
>
>If they're printing from a 'database', then 'applying' the 'decided upon'
>currency conversion can be done for the entire catalog "shortly before" they
>start the typesetting stage. If they use 'rounded' conversions -- so the
>price comes out as 49.99, instead of 50.07, for example, somebody has to
>review all the roundings, and possibly over-ride a round-up/round-down
>decision. Pricing for every _new_ item (i.e. 'not previously published')
>has to be manually reviewed, to ensure that there were no errors in the
>database entry/extraction/conversion formulas for *that* item. This adds
>a week or two to the time-line.
>
>If there is any 'body copy' that makes indirect/imprecise reference to pricing,
>then the pricing has to be set _before_ that body copy is written. This
>shoves things back another couple of weeks, at least.
>
>Thus, pricing ends up 'frozen' a good *FOUR*MONTHS* before the first catalogs
>go in the mail.
>
Silly person.
Maybe back in the stone age.

I used to work for a catalog giant, Eatons, and have friends who work catalog
for Sears Canada.
They set sale cat pricing 20 days or LESS before the book hits the streets.

"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:30:52 -0700, Richard Clements
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Robert wrote:
>
> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?


Which begs the question, why post the same question so many times.

"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <ujmld.210636$nl.179611@pd7tw3no>,
> BeerBoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...

Isn't it the US dollar that is losing value not the CDN dollar rising?

>
> That is a distinction without a difference. <grin>
>
> When you're considering =relative= values in _two_ markets, the effect
> of one currency rising in value is exactly identical to the other currency
> falling in value.
>
> The 'futures' markets price in US$, for a fixed 'face' amount of the
> 'foreign'
> currency.
>
>
>

Maybe I should drink less beer.
I have no idea what you're saying and all the equals signs and dashes are
really confusing me. I'm out of my league here. I don't know what I was
thinking getting involved in this thread with all these currency issues and
world markets, blah, blah, blah. I was just excited that Canada was
involved. I'm not giving up though.
When I see the Prime Minister at Tim Horton's tomorrow, I'm gonna tell him
to check this newsgroup out and figure out this scam Lee Valley is running.
Maybe he can get CSI:Canada to put Robin Lee away for good.
OK, I'm done. This has me all fired up. I think I'll go and read one of
Tom Watson's stories now. Maybe the bedtime classic "El Guano".
Maybe I should drink more beer ... yeah that's it!

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:35:33 +0000, [email protected] (Robert
Bonomi)

> Sears sale books in Canada are at least double the page size of Lee
Valleys MAIN
> books.

You're really not too bright are you? Have you ever looked at pictures of
products from Sears between editions of catalogue? They're all the same
picture. You can go back a few years and aside from the addition of new
products, they're *all* the same picture.

Lee Valley issues new catalogues with a large proportion of new pictures.
That takes time and money.

Now top playing the ignorant whiner and screw off like a good little boy.
You may like being a troll, but there isn't anybody I know that appreciates
being disliked all the time. You contribute exactly nothing to this news
group. I've yet to see one supporter of your argument, so again, why don't
you leave? You're not wanted here. Only the basest idiot stays where they're
not appreciated. It's sheer lunacy to do otherwise.

On 13-Nov-2004, Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote:

> I offered to sell him the Niagara Falls, but he just wanted to whine
> because I wanted more for the Canadian side than for the American
> side.

You should - the Canadian side is bigger.

Mike

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03>, Lobby Dosser
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.
>
> Or uncertainty.
>
> We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a
> vacation.
> We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do
> more
> after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we
> were
> carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered
> whether
> Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to
> fall
> into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
> whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have
> them
> with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit
> surprised
> that they allowed us in *without* a search.

I live in Houston TX, in 1998 my wife, son, and I went into Canada through
Buffalo. My wife rode with her aunt in her car ahead of my son and I. We
were in the Pick Up from Texas. I was asked 5 times if I had any fire arms
and told 2 times the penalties for carrying them in to the country. I guess
because it is common knowledge that all Texans driving pickups carry fire
arms it was way too hard for the kid to believe that I had left my arsenal
at home. Any way, after telling the kid that we had no fire arms for the
5th time he asked me to drive up to the next building where several cars
were parked with their contents being emptied. I played dumb and simply
drove past. Nothing ever became of it but our Burlington relatives got a
good laugh out of it.

> What do you base this on?

Actual cost? The amount of money that leaves the hand for a handplane...?

> Some of the other plane makers bought the tooling and amortized it 50 years
> ago. Lee Valley is a relative newcomer and has a lot of tooling and
> engineering costs to recoup. Planes don't sell in the volumes of
> screwdrivers at Home Depot or Canadian Tire. LV is very competitive with
> L-N from what I can see.
> Ed
>
I don't think LV is supremely competetive from what I can see of price and product,
and availability. They just do what they do, and have what they have. Both brands are
very different designs.

The 112's for example, the LN is $81 more than the Veritas, both made of ductile
iron. The Veritas is a great deal considering the quality and color of the Kunz 112 @
$89 (they need tuning from what I have read, and look goofy as hell). The St. James
Bay 112 is $250 finished. So, Veritas is there with the right price and top quality on
that.

But I'm not going to pay > $175 < for a LV #4, because I have paid $32 for a
Stanley #4 type 19 in mint-minus condition, cost worth the tuning. $7.99 for another
exact same plane as quite well used, still perfectly good after tuning it. I want to see
Veritas #4 planes in borg and tool stores for a nominal $79 off the shelf, as an extreme
contrast to my previous statement about online, LV-only prices.

My real point is common availability, regular prices that are easy to consider, and a
wide distributership to stores and borgs @ that fine Veritas level of quality and
prescision. Currently, of all things, OSH now stocks Footprint tools! Planes, chisels,
and other tools. Footprint got an awesome break, that's because they made the right
business descision. They are attempting to amortize at a much smaller size than LV-
Veritas. The #5 costs $49.95, reasonable for the tuning work.

If the Lee Valley corp. decides to go bigger with plane production, make some socket
chisels (wink) and "amortize" the entire function, they and all woodworkers would
be better off. Lie-Nielson is coming close because of their actual* distributorship, but
keeping costs pretty much the same, get rich time! Lee Valley is on the perfect verge /
edge of being able to replace Stanley as amortized production for distribution. They
can do it. So sorry to sound like such a block-head, I got me a cranium full of ADHD to
fight through here... no offence intended.

Alex

Robert wrote:

> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered
> from Lee Valley costs Americans well over a hundred bucks
> CANADIAN less. There could be a nice profit to be made.

Eh?

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA

Robert wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:16:05 -0500, Waldo2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Go back fifteen years when the Canadian dollar was dropping like a boat
>>anchor into a thousand feet of water. What do you think happened then?
>
>
> Who cares.
>
> What does that have to do with current Lee Valley pricing policy?

Ever stop to think that maybe LV sells 100 times more product in the
U.S. than Canada and that earns us a bigger discount???

Consider this: our pharmaceuticals charge us double of what you pay for
medications - and I'm sure you purchase medications more frequently than
a Veritas plane! You don't hear us bitching, do ya?

SHEEZ!

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jYUkd.93102$bk1.59478@fed1read05...
>
> One thing to remember about shopping in the U.S.A. and you try to hide it
> in your vehicle, the border patrol take and record the weight of your
> vehicle.
> Anything you bring back across the border will add weight down to the
> ounce.
>

That's a neat trick. I wonder how they account for the coffee and donuts
you had for breakfast which adds weight not to mention how much difference
in weight there is between a full tank of gas and an empty one. Please to
explain?

Frank

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jYUkd.93102$bk1.59478@fed1read05...
>
>> Anything you bring back across the border will add weight down to the
>> ounce.
>
>
> Your kidding right? I suspect if you fill up with gas or drive around
> and burn gas before crossing back or bring another person or two or
> bla bla bla is going to create a
> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong line of cars to be inspected.
> Tell'em you bought groceries.

So I stop at the US side at Blaine, WA coming back from Vancouver driving
a semi-beat-up 74 Plymouth. Guy with the appearance of a gas jocky at
Chevron (not at all like the neatly uniformed Canadian border types)
wants to know what I bought while I was gone for 3 days. "Nothing I
didn't consume, everything I saw I could buy cheaper at home" says I.
Forty five (45) minutes later they're still searching for something - one
marijuana seed - anything!

Now I should have known better having once witnessed the complete ripping
apart of a couple suitcases by English customs on a return from France.
Guy told me he had all kinds of crap he was bringing in. I told him my
old man always told me to declare *something*. He ignored my advice,
declared nothing and probably spent a couple years in one of Her
Majesty's Hotels.

>
>
>
>

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:09:54 -0500, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last
> catalog so
> I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I first
> received it.
>
> Frankly I believe you are lying.
>

You know Frank you certainly do not have to buy from LeeValley. The
information you are requesting is absolutely none of your business.

> I live within 2 miles of the Canadian border. In all the trips I've made into
> Canada never once did an inspector on either side of the bridge look at my gas
> gauge. My job has required me to be on site while the lanes at the inspection
> booths were dug up to install various sensors/detectors since 9/11. There
> are/were no scales.
>
>
Well that's good to hear! Do you shop in Canada and bring it all home, no problem?

Alex

> Uh huh.
>
>
...and then while you're outside your carry-all they'll weigh YOU and take that into
account too! ...make your gringo ass illegal! Oh yes oh yes!

Alex

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:00:21 -0500, Daniel H <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >[2] I don't recall any Americans complaining about how much cheaper it
> >would be to buy CAD at $1.50CAD/USD and buy their Lee Valley toys in
> >Canada at the time we had a 66-cent dollar. The exchange rate sword
> >cuts both ways.
>
> Canadians still paid more.
> There has never been a point in at least the last two years where
Canadians
> didn't pay more than Americans.

I hate to feed a troll - but can't let inaccurate statements stand.... our
pricing policy overall sets US prices 2-3% higher than Canadian prices, for
the exchange rate we price with. This reflects our additional cost of
customs work, and absorbing any duty...

> Years ago a co-worker rented a cottage in Canada for the summer. One day he
> while crossing the border into the US he made the mistake of telling the
> inspector to hurry up as he was running a few minutes late for work. They
> pulled him over and practically disassembled his car, removing the seats,
> dash, upholstery panels, etc. After finding nothing they were kind enough to
> loan him a screwdriver so he could put his car back together. He got to work
> 7 hours late.
>
>
... at least one can smoke a joint in front of a cop B.C. ...a bit more relaxed than here!
(not that I do that myself of course, and I do not)

Alex

> Nobody wants to pay for something if they can find a way to pay less, but
> that doesn't for one second excuse his attacks on Lee Valley. I think Lee
> Valley tools are expensive too. I don't like having to pay for anything if I
> can help it, but the idea of LV not existing at all is much less desirable
> than what it costs me to buy from them.
>
>
Oh I understand! Lee Valley is VERY desireable to have around, much better
that they DO exist than not, I've made one small order thus far, and I would
love to have the LA BP! I also think their prices are pretty fair as well, except
I think the hand planes are just a shot too high, I feel they should be at least
15% to 20 % less. And they could decide to distribute them like their one
major competitor does. If I opened my own tool store I would stock Veritas
tools, depending upon their purchase requirements.

Alex

Implying I do?

Wipe that stupid <g> off your face and give it up Robert... If you don't
like the way LV does business, don't do business with them. It's really that
simple. LV's management doesn't have to answer to you or anybody. It's their
company, it's a private company and they can do with it what they see fit.
You seem to think they owe you some sort of preferential treatment because
they're a Canadian company....sounds like the exact attitude of entitlement
that epitomizes too many things in this great nation. I get truly sick when
I think of all my hard earned tax dollars going to support the likes of you
and makes me wonder if the seeing the results of the "survival of the
fittest" pendulum having swung too far.

As I said before, you're an idiot and an embarrassment to all Canadians who
cover your ass.

--

Rob

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:20:39 GMT, "Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Robert's not a "fellow" Canadian, he's an idiot and an embarrassment to
the
> >country.
> >
> Well at least I don't drop my pants and bend over every time Rob Lee drops
by
> the newsgroup.<g>
>

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0_Cld.93817$bk1.70630@fed1read05...
>
> Well I must admit, I supported him with the understanding about having to
pay too much....

Nobody wants to pay for something if they can find a way to pay less, but
that doesn't for one second excuse his attacks on Lee Valley. I think Lee
Valley tools are expensive too. I don't like having to pay for anything if I
can help it, but the idea of LV not existing at all is much less desirable
than what it costs me to buy from them.

Nova <[email protected]> wrote:

> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> So I stop at the US side at Blaine, WA coming back from Vancouver
>> driving a semi-beat-up 74 Plymouth. Guy with the appearance of a gas
>> jocky at Chevron (not at all like the neatly uniformed Canadian
>> border types) wants to know what I bought while I was gone for 3
>> days. "Nothing I didn't consume, everything I saw I could buy cheaper
>> at home" says I. Forty five (45) minutes later they're still
>> searching for something - one marijuana seed - anything!
>
> Years ago a co-worker rented a cottage in Canada for the summer. One
> day he while crossing the border into the US he made the mistake of
> telling the inspector to hurry up as he was running a few minutes late
> for work. They pulled him over and practically disassembled his car,
> removing the seats, dash, upholstery panels, etc. After finding
> nothing they were kind enough to loan him a screwdriver so he could
> put his car back together. He got to work 7 hours late.

LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.

Fortunately I didn't have to reassemble the car. But then, I'd also
managed to return on a Saturday morning when all the Canadians were
headed south to do their grocery shopping so the customs were somewhat
limited time wise.

>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
>

patrick conroy wrote:
> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
>
> Valley
>
>>costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>
>
> You can buy a plane for $350?
> Doncha' have an FAA-type-of-thing up there?
>
> PS: Thanks for the cheep Vioxx.
>
>
You can have all the vioxx, don't need it anyway.

Rick

On 13-Nov-2004, DamnYankee <[email protected]> wrote:

> Consider this: our pharmaceuticals charge us double of what you pay for
> medications - and I'm sure you purchase medications more frequently than
> a Veritas plane! You don't hear us bitching, do ya?

Actually, you guys are bitching.

However, in Canadian drugs are protected against generics for a longer
period of time. Hence lower price but for a longer time. When the US
generics kick in earlier, you won't want to buy Canadian drugs as they
will still be sold at higher, brand-name pricing. We get cheaper drugs
in the short term but pay in the long term.

Mike

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message

Why are you here? You give nothing to this news group. Nobody here supports
your argument and you contribute exactly nothing in the way of woodworking
content. I ask you again, why are you here?

Only a masochist would continue to stay where they're not wanted and not
appreciated. I ask you again, why are you here?

Answer the question. Why are you here?

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:JcRld.93917$bk1.41389@fed1read05...
>
> > What do you base this on?
>
> Actual cost? The amount of money that leaves the hand for a handplane...?

Not very good. You have no idea of the cost of production do you? Cost of
tooling? Engineering? The do have a bearing of final cost, as the the
ability to charge what people are willing to pay.



> But I'm not going to pay > $175 < for a LV #4, because I have paid $32 for
a
> Stanley #4 type 19 in mint-minus condition, cost worth the tuning. $7.99
for another
> exact same plane as quite well used, still perfectly good after tuning it.

But the cost of the new planes has nothing at all to do with or in
relationship to a
Stanley #4. If you bought one for $32, good for you, enjoy it. What you are
saying is that you bought a good used plane and therefore all planes must
sell for a price close to it. I paid $2000 for my '62 Corvair and I'll be
damned if I'm going to pay $20,000 for a new car.

You CAN buy a brand new Stanley 9 3/4 for $35.


> I want to see
> Veritas #4 planes in borg and tool stores for a nominal $79 off the shelf,
as an extreme
> contrast to my previous statement about online, LV-only prices.

It may be possible if the volume warrants it. When you go for larger
volume, you must also spend a lot of money for additional tooling,
inventory, and in the case of HD and Loses, you may even have to invest in
thousands of dollars in coumputer software for billing and payment. They
dont just send invoices and checks like most other place.s This holds true
for many of the big stores and manufactureres. We used to deal with
Frigidaire. We would have had to spend over $10,000 for software. Do you
think the borg shoppers will pay for and appreciate a LV plane? "The Buck
Brothers for much less looks the same honey, get the blue one"

>
> My real point is common availability, regular prices that are easy to
consider, and a
> wide distributership to stores and borgs @ that fine Veritas level of
quality and
> prescision. Currently, of all things, OSH now stocks Footprint tools!
Planes, chisels,
> and other tools. Footprint got an awesome break, that's because they made
the right
> business descision. They are attempting to amortize at a much smaller size
than LV-
> Veritas. The #5 costs $49.95, reasonable for the tuning work.

I'm not familiar with either OSH or Footprint so I cannot comment. They may
or may not be related to the quality and volume of the Veritas line.

>
> If the Lee Valley corp. decides to go bigger with plane production, make
some socket
> chisels (wink) and "amortize" the entire function, they and all
woodworkers would
> be better off.

Perhaps, I've not done any market analysis so you may be 100% on target or
you may be full of crap. Do you know what the potential market is for
planes in North American? The world? Cite some figures and we can talk.

> Lie-Nielson is coming close because of their actual* distributorship, but
> keeping costs pretty much the same, get rich time! Lee Valley is on the
perfect verge /
> edge of being able to replace Stanley as amortized production for
distribution. They
> can do it.


You must hae some figures then. What is the break even point on the
tooling? What is the expected volume in the 2005 and 2006 fiscal years?

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> I would
> love to have the LA BP! I also think their prices are pretty fair as well,
except
> I think the hand planes are just a shot too high, I feel they should be at
least
> 15% to 20 % less.

What do you base this on?

Some of the other plane makers bought the tooling and amortized it 50 years
ago. Lee Valley is a relative newcomer and has a lot of tooling and
engineering costs to recoup. Planes don't sell in the volumes of
screwdrivers at Home Depot or Canadian Tire. LV is very competitive with
L-N from what I can see.
Ed

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:09:54 -0500, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:00:21 -0500, Daniel H <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >[2] I don't recall any Americans complaining about how much cheaper it
>> >would be to buy CAD at $1.50CAD/USD and buy their Lee Valley toys in
>> >Canada at the time we had a 66-cent dollar. The exchange rate sword
>> >cuts both ways.
>>
>> Canadians still paid more.
>> There has never been a point in at least the last two years where
>Canadians
>> didn't pay more than Americans.
>
>I hate to feed a troll - but can't let inaccurate statements stand.... our
>pricing policy overall sets US prices 2-3% higher than Canadian prices, for
>the exchange rate we price with. This reflects our additional cost of
>customs work, and absorbing any duty...
>
Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last catalog so
I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I first received it.

Frankly I believe you are lying.

Robert's not a "fellow" Canadian, he's an idiot and an embarrassment to the
country.

Rob

--

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
> > Valley
> > costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
> > There could be a nice profit to be made.
>
> So uh, what is stopping you? You apparently could easily arrange to have
> the product shipped to the US and sent back to you and then you could sell
> it to your fellow Canadians.
>
>

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:19:13 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03>, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.
>
>Or uncertainty.
>
>We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a vacation.
>We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do more
>after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we were
>carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered whether
>Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to fall
>into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
>whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have them
>with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit surprised
>that they allowed us in *without* a search.

In the context of the purpose of the question, a "no" answer to
whether you owned firearms would have not only been defensible, but
efficient. Since you didn't have any with you (which is what the
concern is), the fact that you do or don't have some sitting at home
is utterly irrelevant and wouldn't/couldn't be checked, and in any
event couldn't be pursued.

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:36:58 GMT, Robert <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee Valley
>costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>There could be a nice profit to be made.

OK, so the fact is that one can get an LV product cheaper in real terms w/
US dollars versus C dollars, at the moment. But, it seems that LV is the
one really taking it in the shorts -- assuming it is doing its accounting
in C$ and didn't hedge its currency risk -- because LV is being paid in
weakened US$. Then again, to the extent that it is paying for things in US
dollars that hit is being offset. But salaries are in C$, I presume.

Now, I'm not taking up a collection for any seller. After all, they could
(and maybe have) hedged. But I do see that it is tough when the business
model depends on a printed catalog 1 year out (or more). FWIW. -- Igor

You know you're right. I have the same plan in mind. You see the bottles
we have to pay a 5 cent deposit on here can be returned in Michigan for 10
cents. Now if Newman can get use of the fifth mail truck, we're in
business.

"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
> Valley
> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
> There could be a nice profit to be made.

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Ok8ld.93206$bk1.67752@fed1read05...
>
> > I live within 2 miles of the Canadian border. In all the trips I've
made into
> > Canada never once did an inspector on either side of the bridge look at
my gas
> > gauge.

Ditto, 1 mile, lots of trips.

> Well that's good to hear! Do you shop in Canada and bring it all home, no
problem?

Dubya hasn't ended his pissing match over the lone mad cow so beef is still
out of the question (I think he's still pissed that a cabinet level Canadian
called him a moron on the record)

Citrus is a no-no (I think it's a pest control thing), but groceries in
general are not given much concern.

Booze is OK in modest quantities. My wife has brought back a case of wine on
several occaisions and US boys don't consider it worth thir time to make a
fuss over.

-Steve

In article <ujmld.210636$nl.179611@pd7tw3no>,
BeerBoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Robert Bonomi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>
>...... Now, it is a _fact_ that the value of the Canadian Dollar, vs the
>American
>> Dollar was _falling_ from the first week in January, 2004, through the
>> first
>> week of June, 2004. And the international futures markets show that the
>> _world_at_large_ expected (as late as Mid-May, 2004) that the Canadian
>> Dollar
>> would remain in the US$0.71-0.75 range, *THROUGH* September of 2005.
>> That's
>> right, the year TWO THOUSAND FIVE.
>>
>> Starting in _mid-May, 2004_, the _further_out_ (i.e. Sept, 2005) projected
>> value of the CAN$ started to rise. It wasn't until the 1st week of June,
>> however, that the September, 2004 projected value started to rise.
>>
>> It is an indisputable fact that the world-at-large did *NOT* see the
>> run-up
>> in the value of the CAN$ coming. Early Spring 2004, expectations were
>> that
>> the CAN$ was going to _loose_ another 1-2 cents by Summer/Fall 2005.
>>
>
>Isn't it the US dollar that is losing value not the CDN dollar rising?

That is a distinction without a difference. <grin>

When you're considering =relative= values in _two_ markets, the effect
of one currency rising in value is exactly identical to the other currency
falling in value.

The 'futures' markets price in US$, for a fixed 'face' amount of the 'foreign'
currency.

>So the prices for the US customers should be rising which won't benefit
>Robert in any way. The CDN price won't change.

Rob Lee said that their _costs_ are in CDN $, so it doesn't matter whether
the CDN $ is strengthening, or the US$ is weakening -- CDN prices would
remain constant.

But, yes, with the relative strengthening of the CDN dollar vs the US dollar,
(or the weakening of the US$ vs the CDN$) 'U.S. dollar denominated' prices
would be expected to rise.

>Anyway, I'm Canadian and I hope Robert isn't giving us a bad name down
>south. It appears he is our village idiot.

And in the running for the _provincial_ title, as I understand it. <grin>


I also notice he wasn't bitching for the 1st half of the year, when the
relative value of the dollar was _rising_, and Lee Valley didn't adjust U.S.
prices _downward_ to compensate. Obviously he thinks that their 'screwing the
U.S. customers' -- in exactly the manner in which he presently claims that Lee
Valley is 'screwing their Canadian' customers -- *is* acceptable.

Which establishes beyond any doubt that his claim is *not* based on 'a matter
of "ethics"' but pure, selfish, self-interest.

Only one problem with Alex's arguement. When you go to the USA, you
deal with American Customs. When you return to Canada, you deal with
Canadian Customs, and vice versa.

Scale's for vehicle weight, are intended for the trucks and would not
be accurate enough to demonstrate a ten or twenty pound, let alone
fifty pound change. Scale's are designed for a particular weight
load. Primarily used to determine if a vehicle is loaded over it's
gross weight.

Besides, most of the Canadian Customs staff have already concluded you
have filled up the gas tank, and they would think you were a moron if
you didn't. US fuel taxes are a lot lower. CDN's routinely fill
up. It's almost $20 CDN per tank difference in price.

When I was crossing into the states, the only thing they recorded was
the license plate number and that was to track the frequency of how
often you were crossing into the states and for what purpose. The
greater the frequency, the greater the number of questions they asked
you.






On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:33:16 GMT, "Frank Ketchum"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:jYUkd.93102$bk1.59478@fed1read05...
>>
>> One thing to remember about shopping in the U.S.A. and you try to hide it
>> in your vehicle, the border patrol take and record the weight of your
>> vehicle.
>> Anything you bring back across the border will add weight down to the
>> ounce.
>>
>
>That's a neat trick. I wonder how they account for the coffee and donuts
>you had for breakfast which adds weight not to mention how much difference
>in weight there is between a full tank of gas and an empty one. Please to
>explain?
>
>Frank
>

> "Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Several people have posted supporting my position.
>
> I see. Prove it. What are their names?

So now everybody knows you're a liar. You can't give names of people who
have supported you.

> > For everyone brave enough to post there are probably 4 dozen lurkers who
> also
>
> So now you're a long distance mind reader? Is it good for you?

Stll waiting for those names liar.

> I ask you again. Why are you here? Is the question too difficult to
> understand? Does it need to be made simpler? Why are you here in this news
> group? What do you contribute to the art of woodworking?
>
> Answer the question. Why are you here?

Apparently, you're unable to answer this question. The only fallback you
have is to throw some more names at me. How pitiful you are, not being able
to contribute in any way, shape or form. That must be really depressing. I'd
offer my sympathies, but you're obviously unable to appreciate any type of
condolence.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:30:52 -0700, Richard Clements
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Robert wrote:

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

> That's a neat trick. I wonder how they account for the coffee and donuts
> you had for breakfast which adds weight not to mention how much difference
> in weight there is between a full tank of gas and an empty one. Please to
> explain?
> Frank
>
>
They take that into account. They know the weight of gas and record how full
the tank is. "They" know how to figure it all in. Same at the Mexican border
but no doubt all the more thoroughly done. Probably a bit more casual up
north.

Alex

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:00:52 -0500, Village Idiot"Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>Nobody here supports your argument

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit hey dumbass.
Several people have posted supporting my position.
For everyone brave enough to post there are probably 4 dozen lurkers who also
agree.
NO one has disputed the facts I have posted.
All you morons have done is post childish flames.

On 13-Nov-2004, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:

> When you're considering =relative= values in _two_ markets, the effect
> of one currency rising in value is exactly identical to the other currency
> falling in value.

Then compare both to the Euro and you'll see that his argument is essentially
correct. It isn't that Canadians are getting screwed - it's that the Yanks
are getting a lucky break. In other areas, of course, the falling US dollar
will hurt the US. Don't expect VI Robert to understand anything like that.

Mike

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:24:56 -0800, "TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I can see Robin now: Oh my God! Robert is pissed at us! We have to recall
>all of our catalogs, reprint everything! Appologize and give him 50% off on
>the $35 CDN He was going to spend with us at Christmas! You heard me team!
>Get going!

Cool!
All I can say is it's about fucking time!

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:27:16 -0500, Paul Kierstead
<[email protected]> wrote:

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 03:20:39 GMT, "Rob Stokes" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Robert's not a "fellow" Canadian, he's an idiot and an embarrassment to the
>country.
>
Well at least I don't drop my pants and bend over every time Rob Lee drops by
the newsgroup.<g>

Robert you gotta understand something here... almost every U.S. galoot
in this NG absolutely worships Lee Valley and it's Veritas products, see?
Hence your many negative responses. I am economical and poor because
of my health conditions, I have mentioned it before but no one gives a
genuine rat's ass... so I get around paying and supporting the giants any
way I can. Although I would love to have a Veritas low angle block plane.

But personaly I can see your understanding in that most if not all Veritas
products are made in Canada, and if sold to Canadian peoples at 30%
higher, it would piss you red maple leafs right off.

The grass is green and the sky is blue, whaddya do?

One thing to remember about shopping in the U.S.A. and you try to hide it
in your vehicle, the border patrol take and record the weight of your vehicle.
Anything you bring back across the border will add weight down to the ounce.

Sorry if this didn't help,
Alex

gw wrote:
> "mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>>>A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
>>>Valley
>>>costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>>>There could be a nice profit to be made.
>>
>>Nice try. If you consider shipping to the US, shipping back to Canada, PST
>>and GST, clearance charges, and the credit card exchange rate, the plane
>>will end up costing more, not less.
>
> Robert could set up a PO box in the US, then come down once in a while and
> smuggle a few planes back over the border crammed into a body cavity.

Remember to back-off the blade a bit. Those blades come from the
factory quite sharp.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 23:47:43 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
>> Valley
>> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>> There could be a nice profit to be made.
>
>So uh, what is stopping you? You apparently could easily arrange to have
>the product shipped to the US and sent back to you and then you could sell
>it to your fellow Canadians.
>
Leon, you must be a Republican. Only they are this stupid.:)

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:32:12 -0500, WoodMangler
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:

>LRod did say:
>
>> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?
>
>Even retards deserve a response.

Buhbye!


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"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jYUkd.93102$bk1.59478@fed1read05...

> Anything you bring back across the border will add weight down to the
> ounce.


Your kidding right? I suspect if you fill up with gas or drive around and
burn gas before crossing back or bring another person or two or bla bla bla
is going to create a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong line of cars to
be inspected.
Tell'em you bought groceries.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:16:05 -0500, Waldo2 <[email protected]> wrote:

>Go back fifteen years when the Canadian dollar was dropping like a boat
>anchor into a thousand feet of water. What do you think happened then?

Who cares.

What does that have to do with current Lee Valley pricing policy?

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:19:13 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:

>In article <WJ8ld.94$N_5.13@trnddc03>, Lobby Dosser <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>LOL! Never, ever reveal vulnerability.
>
>Or uncertainty.
>
>We received some rather close questioning coming into Canada on a vacation.
>We'd spent part of our trip fishing and camping, and were intending to do more
>after returning to the States. The Canadian customs inspector asked if we were
>carrying "any weapons". My split-second of hesitation, as I considered whether
>Canadian customs might consider a hammer and various assorted knives to fall
>into that category, led to some intense and specific questions regarding
>whether we own firearms of any type (yes), handguns (yes), and do we have them
>with us (certainly not - I know better than that). I'm still a bit surprised
>that they allowed us in *without* a search.

That was my experience several years ago as well and I didn't hesitate at
the first question. She didn't ask if I *owned* any guns (I would have
found that quite offensive, irrelevant, out of place and none of her
business). However, she must have asked me a dozen different ways whether
I had any guns, weapons, ammunition, or rifles, etc. in the car. I came
very close (wisdom won out however) to saying, "nope, no weapons -- would
you be interested in the box of pine beetles I have in the trunk?" I got
the impression that Canadians are very, very scared of guns. That was the
year they were starting to register ammunition, saw the PSA's of a smiling
husband and wife with the husband happily filling out his registration
form, then putting it into the mail.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:47:41 -0800, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> A plane that costs Canadians approx $350 (taxes in) delivered from Lee
>> Valley
>> costs Americans well over a hundred bucks CANADIAN less.
>> There could be a nice profit to be made.
>
>Nice try. If you consider shipping to the US, shipping back to Canada, PST
>and GST, clearance charges, and the credit card exchange rate, the plane
>will end up costing more, not less.
>
Perhaps you should remove your head from your ass and do the actual math instead
of making shit up.

There is more profit to be made on Lee Valley tools than most of the items now
sold on Ebay. 30% is huge.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:26:58 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:30:52 -0700, Richard Clements
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Robert wrote:
>>
>> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?
>
>
>Which begs the question, why post the same question so many times.
>
LRod is a trout with the IQ of a cedar post, that's why.<g>
He also suffers from a common problem among wreck regulars.
A complete lack of self control.
Lee Valley should start marketing Depends to these guys.
They would really clean up financially.
Of course Canadians would be charged more.<g>

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:11:49 +0000, LRod <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:23:09 GMT, "Leon"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?
>
Because that's what Rob Lee wanted.

In one of my first posts I praised Lee Valley customer service and felt it was
worth paying a bit more.

Rob Lee in his response snipped that part of my post out.
His response was basically marching orders to his groupies to flame me out of
the Wreck.

Didn't work as well as he liked<g>, so a few days later Rob responded with a
veiled threat.

That didn't work either. Just verified that he's an asshole.

I've already said that along with common sense, Lee Valley groupies lack any
semblance of self control.

LRod did say:

> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

Even retards deserve a response.

--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.

LRod did say:

> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

Even retards deserve a response.

--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.

LRod did say:

> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?
Even retards deserve a response.
--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.

LRod did say:

> Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

Even retards deserve a response.

--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:09:54 -0500, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >I hate to feed a troll - but can't let inaccurate statements stand.... our
> >pricing policy overall sets US prices 2-3% higher than Canadian prices, for
> >the exchange rate we price with. This reflects our additional cost of
> >customs work, and absorbing any duty...
> >
> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last catalog
> so
> I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I first received
> it.
>
> Frankly I believe you are lying.


May I suggest you look at:
http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/m5?s=CAD&t=USD&a=1&c=2

You will note that any canadian who set their prices at anytime in the
last 2 years based on the current (at that time) exchange rate would
lose money on American sales quite rapidly; the CAD has steadily gained
(overall) on the USD for the last 2 years. If LV set the current batch
of prices in May/June as claimed, they got especially screwed if they
did not hedge.

The problem with your accusation is that you insist that Canadian
customers are getting screwed. There is another way to look at it:
American customers are getting a bargain at the expense of LV. Which is
the case? I can't say for sure, but your absolute insistence on viewing
it as "being screwed" tends to make me believe you are just the kind of
person who thinks everyone is out to screw you. I rather doubt you are
that desirable.

PK

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:00:21 -0500, Daniel H <[email protected]> wrote:

>[2] I don't recall any Americans complaining about how much cheaper it
>would be to buy CAD at $1.50CAD/USD and buy their Lee Valley toys in
>Canada at the time we had a 66-cent dollar. The exchange rate sword
>cuts both ways.

Canadians still paid more.
There has never been a point in at least the last two years where Canadians
didn't pay more than Americans.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 17:31:06 -0600, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]> wrote:

>duh

This is the most intelligent post you've made in the last month.:)

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:30:52 -0700, Richard Clements <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Robert wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:09:54 -0500, "Robin Lee" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Robert" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 00:00:21 -0500, Daniel H <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >[2] I don't recall any Americans complaining about how much cheaper it
>>>> >would be to buy CAD at $1.50CAD/USD and buy their Lee Valley toys in
>>>> >Canada at the time we had a 66-cent dollar. The exchange rate sword
>>>> >cuts both ways.
>>>>
>>>> Canadians still paid more.
>>>> There has never been a point in at least the last two years where
>>>Canadians
>>>> didn't pay more than Americans.
>>>
>>>I hate to feed a troll - but can't let inaccurate statements stand.... our
>>>pricing policy overall sets US prices 2-3% higher than Canadian prices,
>>>for the exchange rate we price with. This reflects our additional cost of
>>>customs work, and absorbing any duty...
>>>
>> Perhaps you could give us the date prices were finalized for the last
>> catalog so I can check that. Because it certainly wasn't true the day I
>> first received it.
>>
>> Frankly I believe you are lying.
>
>if you don't like his prices than don't support his establishment! I don't
>buy from woodworkers supply, I don't even open the catalogs that they send
>me, they screwed me on an order and seemed rather incompetent on fixing it,
>I I don't care what there charging. if you don't like Mr Lee's prices than
>go someware else no one makes you buy from him

Very few people in this group shop at Sears but it doesn't stop them from
commenting on the quality of the Craftsman tools.

On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 10:00:04 -0700, Richard Clements
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Robert wrote:

Why do you guys keep responding to this retard?

- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

"gw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> Robert could set up a PO box in the US, then come down once in a while and
> smuggle a few planes back over the border crammed into a body cavity.

I think you're too late. He sounds like he already has something stuck in a
body cavity.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 18:10:35 -0800, "AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Robert you gotta understand something here... almost every U.S. galoot
>in this NG absolutely worships Lee Valley and it's Veritas products, see?

I know that.
What's more Rob Lee seems to get off on it.
He appears to love his Yankee groupies and not give a rats ass about the country
that gave his company it's start.
He basically said we Canadians pay more to subsidize Lee Valley's American
customers.

>Hence your many negative responses. I am economical and poor because
>of my health conditions, I have mentioned it before but no one gives a
>genuine rat's ass... so I get around paying and supporting the giants any
>way I can. Although I would love to have a Veritas low angle block plane.
>
>But personaly I can see your understanding in that most if not all Veritas
>products are made in Canada, and if sold to Canadian peoples at 30%
>higher, it would piss you red maple leafs right off.
>


>The grass is green and the sky is blue, whaddya do?
>
>One thing to remember about shopping in the U.S.A. and you try to hide it
>in your vehicle, the border patrol take and record the weight of your vehicle.
>Anything you bring back across the border will add weight down to the ounce.
>
>Sorry if this didn't help,
>Alex
>