What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why should
us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before they
ever get to the show/s.
My 2 cents worth.
If they hall didn't charge for parking and the show didn't charge
addmission, there wouldn't be any show. In my real life I have a long
history of exhbiting and hosting events like this and trust me, nobody
is getting rich on this.
As long as we are willing to pay, they will keep having the shows. I
went to my local version and was mostly dissapointed, I was hoping for
more commercial grade stuff. Anyway, even though dissapointed, I think
I'll lilely go to the next one. Cost me about the same as two copies of
FWW mag, and probably got about as much from it.
At least one benefit of it is that it keeps away the people that
shouldn't be there. This was a problem with Comdex (computer show) in
Vegas - it was much too easy to find free tickets and any joe schmoe
got in there and clogged up the aisles for those who really were in the
trade.
Shawn
Bob wrote:
> What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to
still
> spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What
can you
> possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
> The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why
should
> us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
> advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
> advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before
they
> ever get to the show/s.
> My 2 cents worth.
If you have ever worked trade shows you will quickly learn the worst show in
the world is the one with free admission. Every jerk, bum and weirdo with
nothing to do attends a show like this. I can remember the first, last and only
free boat show I worked at. The standard reply to a sales picth was:" Those
are really nice but I don't even have a boat." The admission fee not only
helps the promoter make a living but qualifies most of the attendees. Leigh @
MarMachine
Bob states:
>What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
>spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
>possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
Fair enough. But some day, go to the Atlanta version of IWF, and then come back
and tell us what you can see in one day so that you don't need three.
Charlie Self
"A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to
the ground." H. L. Mencken
Bob wrote:>What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to
still
>spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
>possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
>The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why should
>us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
>advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
>advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before they
>ever get to the show/s.
> My 2 cents worth.
>
>
It's what the market will bear. You _may_ change the market by not attending
their shows. Tom
Work at your leisure!
Phisherman wrote:
> I pass on woodworking shows. It was just too expensive to look at
> vendor displays. It had a $8 admission, $7 for parking, 85 miles
> round trip driving, plus I'd have to take a vacation day. I do enjoy
> the free local craft and arts street fairs, where you get to watch
> some woodworkers in action.
It's been a couple of year since "The Woodworking Show" was in Buffalo. The
last time the show was help the major tool vendors decided the show wasn't
promoted enough in the area and boycotted the thing and held their own show on
the same days at one of the local tool distributor's location. "The Woodworking
Show" hasn't been back since.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
I tend to go just to see the new stuff. The cost is the least important
part of my decision to go. The prices are usually better on terminal
supplies and I generally spend more that I should anyway. Sometimes the
heavy stuff is priced to sell as well.
Dave
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ajeCd.273862$5K2.48988@attbi_s03...
> What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
> spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
> possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
> The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why
> should
> us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
> advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
> advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before they
> ever get to the show/s.
> My 2 cents worth.
>
>
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:22:30 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why should
>us woodworkers pay
Because if you do that, you see stalls from the big-name machinery
dealers you've heard of before, and you don't get people like Steve
Knight there with something interesting.
It's often far from cheap to have one of those stalls.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ZbGdnR6XT7plQkTcRVn-
> > I spoke to my local Rockler manager about a week ago and the topic of
the
> > woodworking show came up. She told me that they made a grand total of
> > something like $40 at the last show. So, as someone else mentioned,
> > nobody's getting rich.
>
>
> They can only hope that people saw what they had to offer and will
patronize
> them during the years.
>
> Exhibitors pay to exhibit at the shows and often have hefty expenses for
> lodging, shipping displays, etc. If they need electrical hookups other
than
> for a light, they pay extra, possibly hundreds of dollars.
>
> Some have product to sell at the show and I did get a good deal on the
Ridge
> Carbide 40T blade and the 8" dado. If what you are interested in is
> exhibited, it is a good opportunity to see brand X and then see brand Y
and
> go back to compare brand X again and not have to drive across town. Last
> year, there were no Delta or Jet saws that I saw.
>
> There are discount coupons available in many cases. Figure 48 each to get
> in, $5 for parking. breakfast on the way, lunch/dinner on the way home,
and
> a stop at the mall so your wife can buy something because you just spent
> $400 on new toys.
>
> Will I go this year? If the sun is shining, too cold to work in the shop
> and nothing else pressing.
>
> Not a good place to pick up chicks though, but if you are into middle aged
> balding guys with a gut, this is the place to be!
>
>
Hurl! You had to go and throw that last line in there, didn't ya? Well, on
second thought, we do seem to have attracted a new poster from the softer
side of life, so maybe Glenna will find that meaningful...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ZbGdnR6XT7plQkTcRVn-
> I spoke to my local Rockler manager about a week ago and the topic of the
> woodworking show came up. She told me that they made a grand total of
> something like $40 at the last show. So, as someone else mentioned,
> nobody's getting rich.
They can only hope that people saw what they had to offer and will patronize
them during the years.
Exhibitors pay to exhibit at the shows and often have hefty expenses for
lodging, shipping displays, etc. If they need electrical hookups other than
for a light, they pay extra, possibly hundreds of dollars.
Some have product to sell at the show and I did get a good deal on the Ridge
Carbide 40T blade and the 8" dado. If what you are interested in is
exhibited, it is a good opportunity to see brand X and then see brand Y and
go back to compare brand X again and not have to drive across town. Last
year, there were no Delta or Jet saws that I saw.
There are discount coupons available in many cases. Figure 48 each to get
in, $5 for parking. breakfast on the way, lunch/dinner on the way home, and
a stop at the mall so your wife can buy something because you just spent
$400 on new toys.
Will I go this year? If the sun is shining, too cold to work in the shop
and nothing else pressing.
Not a good place to pick up chicks though, but if you are into middle aged
balding guys with a gut, this is the place to be!
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ajeCd.273862$5K2.48988@attbi_s03...
> What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
> spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
> possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
> The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why
should
> us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
> advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
> advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before they
> ever get to the show/s.
> My 2 cents worth.
I spoke to my local Rockler manager about a week ago and the topic of the
woodworking show came up. She told me that they made a grand total of
something like $40 at the last show. So, as someone else mentioned,
nobody's getting rich.
By the way, for those attending the Chicago show, there are a couple of
changes for this year. First, it's being held Feb 4-6, instead of in April.
It's also moving from the Odeum in Villa Park to the Donald E. Stephens
Convention Center (formerly the Rosemont Convention Center). That doesn't
bode well for me, since I lived close to Villa Park and would just have the
little woman drop me off and pick me up again. I hate paying for parking,
and the $10-15 it's going to cost to park in Rosemont might get me to stay
home.
todd
On 03 Jan 2005 18:38:13 GMT, [email protected] (Tom) wrote:
>>
> It's what the market will bear. You _may_ change the market by not attending
>their shows. Tom
Agreed.
I think the parking fee is a site issue. The show I've attended, in
Syracuse, NY is held at the NY State Fairgrounds and parking was free.
-Keith
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:48:27 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:ajeCd.273862$5K2.48988@attbi_s03...
>> What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
>> spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
>> possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
>> The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why
>> should
>> us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
>> advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
>> advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before they
>> ever get to the show/s.
>> My 2 cents worth.
>
>
>IIRC it used to be $10 per day per person. Now you can bring a spouse for
>free on 1 day.
>IMHO the parking fees should be removed. Also IMHO having all the vendors
>showing their products in 1 place is well worth the expense of getting into
>the show. Beats the heck out of spending a few day driving all over town to
>see each product individually.
>
=20
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
| Bob states:
| <SNIP>
| "A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both =
ears to
| the ground." H. L. Mencken
Do the requisite long ears intimate the politician is somehow related to =
a jackass ??=20
--=20
PDQ
--
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:22:30 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why
>>should
>>us woodworkers pay
>
> Because if you do that, you see stalls from the big-name machinery
> dealers you've heard of before, and you don't get people like Steve
> Knight there with something interesting.
>
> It's often far from cheap to have one of those stalls.
Very good point. It is very expensive to go to a show, ship in booths and
equipment, pay people to staff them, etc.
OTOH, the manufacturers don't pay for any of it. Woodworkers do when they
buy the products. Any time you think Budweiser is paying for those big buck
superbowl commercials, just look at what you are paying for colored
carbonated water.
Ed Pawlowski writes:
>It is very expensive to go to a show, ship in booths and
>equipment, pay people to staff them, etc.
>
>OTOH, the manufacturers don't pay for any of it. Woodworkers do when they
>buy the products. Any time you think Budweiser is paying for those big buck
>superbowl commercials, just look at what you are paying for colored
>carbonated water.
Yabbut for the little guy, the cash layout can be prohibitive, so getting that
cut by charging attendees is an effective device to help growing companies and
to spread the knowledge base exhibited in the show.
As an example, the National Hardware Show had been held in Chicago for decades.
For varous reasons, including unions and general greed, costs for putting on
the show kept rising, until it wasn't only the little guys backing out. For
decades, it was difficult to impossible to get even a small booth. Then, one
year not long ago, people realized that an awful lot of those 10K 8x10 booths
were empty. After that, Stanley cut back and B&D/DeWalt was a drop out, Delta
cut their booth size, and zing. All of a sudden...there were two shows. One in
Chi, one in Vegas.
Now, it appears the Vegas venue has won out. It is a great deal cheaper (nice
to not have to fork over $200 a night for a hotel room--including nearly 15% in
extra taxes--within the range of the bus routes to the show, for one thing, and
the 10 buck pizza slices [nasty stuff, too] are a thing of the past). Of
course, now my wife wants to go, too, so there go the expenses again.
Charlie Self
"One of the common denominators I have found is that expectations rise above
that which is expected." George W. Bush
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:55:34 -0600, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Great pizza. Excellent hot dogs. Losing baseball teams. Wind.
Cut down on the hot dogs then.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:31:12 -0600, Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Every trade show in Chicago turned into legalized extortion.
It's _Chicago_ ! What do you expect ? It's like going to Houston
and complaining about the heat.
"Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> <snip>
> From an exhibitors standpoint - the NHS in Chicago evolved into
> legalized extortion...
Every trade show in Chicago turned into legalized extortion. Made a place
in the market for Atlanta and Las Vegas for large shows, and made regional
shows more feasible.
Some of the practices which were 'mandatory' in Chicago can get you banned
from Vegas or Atlanta, at least in the telecomm industry shows.
Patriarch
"Unisaw A100" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Robin Lee wrote:
> >The internet has had a tremendous impact on the nature/need for trade
> >shows...many are moving to a bi-annual schedule...
>
>
> Hey Robin, are you saying that the Internet is making it
> less needful to be going on the road?
>
> UA100
Hi -
Sort of -
In a way, it makes trade shows much more effective too...the yield is
higher, which takes a lot more time to process...
Give you an example...
1) Hit the show website
2) download Exhibitor list (or copy into Excel)
3) perform a look-up on internal vendor list
4) plot, plan, schedule meetings with appropriate current
vendors...typically using on-line floorplans
5) research known sourcing needs in advance, and prioritize booth visits...
It much easier to do now, and a big show can provide more info/contacts than
one can deal with in a year....
Cheers -
Rob
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> It's _Chicago_ ! What do you expect ?
Great pizza. Excellent hot dogs. Losing baseball teams. Wind.
Patriarch
"Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> From an exhibitors standpoint - the NHS in Chicago evolved into legalized
> extortion...
>
You mean the $40 to plug your lights into the receptacle you paid $100 to
have there? Of the $150 to unroll the carpet you shipped in? and the
charges to vacuum your carpet, empty your trash can and on and on . . . . .
.
Don't touch that wire or five unions will be on the picket line.
Ed
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lPfFd.15959$7b.11953@trndny04...
>
> "Robin Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >
> > From an exhibitors standpoint - the NHS in Chicago evolved into
legalized
> > extortion...
> >
>
> You mean the $40 to plug your lights into the receptacle you paid $100 to
> have there? Of the $150 to unroll the carpet you shipped in? and the
> charges to vacuum your carpet, empty your trash can and on and on . . . .
.
> .
> Don't touch that wire or five unions will be on the picket line.
> Ed
Hey - you've been there before!
It actually took four people to install (plug in) a light in one of our
booths once...
A driver
A shipper receiver
An electrician
A Decorator
Cheers -
Rob
<snip>
> As an example, the National Hardware Show had been held in Chicago for
decades.
> For varous reasons, including unions and general greed, costs for putting
on
> the show kept rising, until it wasn't only the little guys backing out.
For
> decades, it was difficult to impossible to get even a small booth. Then,
one
> year not long ago, people realized that an awful lot of those 10K 8x10
booths
> were empty. After that, Stanley cut back and B&D/DeWalt was a drop out,
Delta
> cut their booth size, and zing. All of a sudden...there were two shows.
One in
> Chi, one in Vegas.
<snip>
From an exhibitors standpoint - the NHS in Chicago evolved into legalized
extortion...
The internet has had a tremendous impact on the nature/need for trade
shows...many are moving to a bi-annual schedule...
Cheers -
Rob
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:22:30 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
>spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
>possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
>The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why should
>us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
>advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
>advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before they
>ever get to the show/s.
> My 2 cents worth.
>
I pass on woodworking shows. It was just too expensive to look at
vendor displays. It had a $8 admission, $7 for parking, 85 miles
round trip driving, plus I'd have to take a vacation day. I do enjoy
the free local craft and arts street fairs, where you get to watch
some woodworkers in action.
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ajeCd.273862$5K2.48988@attbi_s03...
> What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
> spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can you
> possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
> The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why
> should
> us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
> advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
> advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before they
> ever get to the show/s.
> My 2 cents worth.
IIRC it used to be $10 per day per person. Now you can bring a spouse for
free on 1 day.
IMHO the parking fees should be removed. Also IMHO having all the vendors
showing their products in 1 place is well worth the expense of getting into
the show. Beats the heck out of spending a few day driving all over town to
see each product individually.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ajeCd.273862$5K2.48988@attbi_s03...
>> What if you only want to attend the show one day, does one have to still
>> spend 10 bucks? I can't see spending 10 dollars for one day. What can
>> you
>> possibly see in 3 days that you can't see in one day?
>> The venders/exhibitors should be the only ones that should pay. Why
>> should
>> us woodworkers pay - to spend our own money? We are paying for their
>> advertising/space, not them. To begin with, the vendors have there
>> advertising costs already built into the cost of their product before
>> they
>> ever get to the show/s.
>> My 2 cents worth.
>
>
> IIRC it used to be $10 per day per person. Now you can bring a spouse for
> free on 1 day.
> IMHO the parking fees should be removed. Also IMHO having all the vendors
> showing their products in 1 place is well worth the expense of getting
> into the show. Beats the heck out of spending a few day driving all over
> town to see each product individually.
Agreed--it's entertainment so I compare it a movie that costs $8 a ticket,
plus the obligatory popcorn and cola. Often these shows are held in a
private hall that makes its revenue from parking and concessions, so I don't
begrudge them that. Besides, where else can you go for 4 hours of fun at
those prices? Especially if you don't go to spend money but to hit the free
seminars, demos and product showings. Buying clamps is discretionary, but
fingering a Felder is just fun.
Bob
>
>