CG

"Creamy Goodness"

09/10/2003 10:32 AM

Air Compressors

Finally upgrading the pancake compressor in my workshop to a much larger
capacity and quieter model. Question is, which one?

I've seen several around town at the local BORG, Rockler, even Sams Club has
a Coleman 25 gallon for $220. My only problem is I can't get anyone to let
me plug em in and turn em on to see how quiet (or loud) it is. The Porter
Cable pancake one I have is plenty loud, and I've read from the NG that
oil-less compressors make for the loudest ones.

So question for the wreck, do you own a "quiet" (I know they're never really
that quiet) compressor, and if so what make / model. I want to stay in the
$200-300 price range, want a 20-25 gallon upright model, and something
that's quiet or relatively quiet. Oil-less or oiled doesn't matter. I'll
oil to get rid of some of the noise.

Thanks in advance, and yes I did do a google search.

Mike Rinken


This topic has 11 replies

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

11/10/2003 3:38 AM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> Don't buy oilless, they are way too noisey, wish I never bought my Devilbiss
> upright, it is incredibly noisy and the motor gets smoking hot.
>
> Blair
>

What he said. I didn't realize what I had done when I bought mine
until it was too late. Dad's compressor was belt driven with a
dignified quiet motor, imagine my shock when I plugged in my new oilless
compressor, turned it on the first time and heard this horrendous loud
pounding noise.

CG

"Creamy Goodness"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

09/10/2003 11:14 AM

Clint Neufeld wrote:
> If it helps, Porter Cable at least rates their compressors now for
> sound level. Try:
> http://www.portercable.com/index.asp?e=547&p=2580
> and zoom into one of the compressors (find yours?). Unfortunately,
> they don't choose to show it on the table of all compressors.
>
> I'm with you, in terms of sound. Got a basement shop, and I've
> steered clear of getting a compressor because of the noise. Well,
> that and I haven't come up with a good excuse for SWMBO. :)
>
> Clint

Interesting link. Two of their 25 gal, the upright with an oilless is rated
at 90 dB and the horizontal with oiled is rated at 78 dB.

Mike

JW

"Joseph W Ingham"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

11/10/2003 11:11 AM

Piping your air intake to the outside will lead to far more moisture buildup
in the compressor, at least in any parts of the country with high humidity
levels. Plus temp change from outside air to inside will be another cause
of moisture. But insulating with a wall is good for moise dampening, just
don't make to small or heat will build up with heavy use.

Joe Ingham
"George M. Kazaka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Food for thought for you home workers and the sound of compressors.
> Best bet is and upright put in in a corner and build a 1x2 framed wall
> around it and insulate it including the top this will muffle the sound
down
> pretty damn good.
> Also will keep the dirt out, try to get it near an outside wall and
replumb
> the Air intake expanding it bigger with pipe reducers in the oppisite way
of
> course and buy a totally differant filter for it, Many sizes in the
> Graingers catalogue.
> Pipe it to the outside and the elbow it downward so the intake is facing
the
> ground.
> Your compressor is now sucking in outside air and weather cannot get into
> it.
> If I made this sound complicated it ain't write to me and I will e-mail
you
> a sketch of what I mean.
>
> Incidently when looking for a compressor do not look at PSI or the so
called
> rated HP look for the CFM it produces
> Good Luck,
> George
>
> "Creamy Goodness" <creamy@nospam_agbf1942.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Finally upgrading the pancake compressor in my workshop to a much larger
> > capacity and quieter model. Question is, which one?
> >
> > I've seen several around town at the local BORG, Rockler, even Sams Club
> has
> > a Coleman 25 gallon for $220. My only problem is I can't get anyone to
> let
> > me plug em in and turn em on to see how quiet (or loud) it is. The
Porter
> > Cable pancake one I have is plenty loud, and I've read from the NG that
> > oil-less compressors make for the loudest ones.
> >
> > So question for the wreck, do you own a "quiet" (I know they're never
> really
> > that quiet) compressor, and if so what make / model. I want to stay in
> the
> > $200-300 price range, want a 20-25 gallon upright model, and something
> > that's quiet or relatively quiet. Oil-less or oiled doesn't matter.
I'll
> > oil to get rid of some of the noise.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, and yes I did do a google search.
> >
> > Mike Rinken
> >
> >
>
>

Bb

"Blair"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

10/10/2003 11:25 PM

Don't buy oilless, they are way too noisey, wish I never bought my Devilbiss
upright, it is incredibly noisy and the motor gets smoking hot.

Blair

Ll

Leon

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

10/10/2003 11:47 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
creamy@nospam_agbf1942.com says...
> Finally upgrading the pancake compressor in my workshop to a much larger
> capacity and quieter model. Question is, which one?
>
> I've seen several around town at the local BORG, Rockler, even Sams Club has
> a Coleman 25 gallon for $220. My only problem is I can't get anyone to let
> me plug em in and turn em on to see how quiet (or loud) it is. The Porter
> Cable pancake one I have is plenty loud, and I've read from the NG that
> oil-less compressors make for the loudest ones.
>
> So question for the wreck, do you own a "quiet" (I know they're never really
> that quiet) compressor, and if so what make / model. I want to stay in the
> $200-300 price range, want a 20-25 gallon upright model, and something
> that's quiet or relatively quiet. Oil-less or oiled doesn't matter. I'll
> oil to get rid of some of the noise.
>
> Thanks in advance, and yes I did do a google search.
>
> Mike Rinken
>
>
>
95% of the time you can count on compressors that are oil lubed to be
quieter than those that are not. In addition you will have a quieter
compressor if you buy one that is constructed with more iron. When
looking for a compressor, tale along a magnet and check the compressor
pump. Those with iron cylinders, and blocks will be a feature to look
for. The oil lubed compressors have a life span that is about 10
times that of oilless models.

Ba

B a r r y B u r k e J r .

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

11/10/2003 10:59 AM

On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 03:38:37 GMT, Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> wrote:

> imagine my shock when I plugged in my new oilless
>compressor, turned it on the first time and heard this horrendous loud
>pounding noise.

Some oilless units sould like there is something wrong with them.

Barry

AR

"AL"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

10/10/2003 5:02 AM

If quiet is your top priority, have a look at this one:

http://www.portercable.com/index.asp?e=547&p=4700

Its main advantage is it has a 1725rpm motor which makes much less noise
than the typical 3650 rpm motor. It is oilless but has a two stage pump
which fills the tank to a higher pressure (so there is more air available
between fillings). I've seen them on sale for $360. Sears sells the same
model (except black in color and with pneumatic wheels). It goes on sale
for $380 regularly.

WL

"Wilson Lamb"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

09/10/2003 8:52 PM

The generic 5-6 HP from HD or Lowes is fine. I have one in my basement and
it's no problem, noise wise. Just watch for specials.
At that size, it has to have 240V.
It's amazing that they ar ehardly more than the little ones.
If it don't have a belt, don't buy it!
Wilson
"Creamy Goodness" <creamy@nospam_agbf1942.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Finally upgrading the pancake compressor in my workshop to a much larger
> capacity and quieter model. Question is, which one?
>
> I've seen several around town at the local BORG, Rockler, even Sams Club
has
> a Coleman 25 gallon for $220. My only problem is I can't get anyone to
let
> me plug em in and turn em on to see how quiet (or loud) it is. The Porter
> Cable pancake one I have is plenty loud, and I've read from the NG that
> oil-less compressors make for the loudest ones.
>
> So question for the wreck, do you own a "quiet" (I know they're never
really
> that quiet) compressor, and if so what make / model. I want to stay in
the
> $200-300 price range, want a 20-25 gallon upright model, and something
> that's quiet or relatively quiet. Oil-less or oiled doesn't matter. I'll
> oil to get rid of some of the noise.
>
> Thanks in advance, and yes I did do a google search.
>
> Mike Rinken
>
>

CN

"Clint Neufeld"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

09/10/2003 4:48 PM

If it helps, Porter Cable at least rates their compressors now for sound
level. Try:
http://www.portercable.com/index.asp?e=547&p=2580
and zoom into one of the compressors (find yours?). Unfortunately, they
don't choose to show it on the table of all compressors.

I'm with you, in terms of sound. Got a basement shop, and I've steered
clear of getting a compressor because of the noise. Well, that and I
haven't come up with a good excuse for SWMBO. :)

Clint

"Creamy Goodness" <creamy@nospam_agbf1942.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Finally upgrading the pancake compressor in my workshop to a much larger
> capacity and quieter model. Question is, which one?
>
> I've seen several around town at the local BORG, Rockler, even Sams Club
has
> a Coleman 25 gallon for $220. My only problem is I can't get anyone to
let
> me plug em in and turn em on to see how quiet (or loud) it is. The Porter
> Cable pancake one I have is plenty loud, and I've read from the NG that
> oil-less compressors make for the loudest ones.
>
> So question for the wreck, do you own a "quiet" (I know they're never
really
> that quiet) compressor, and if so what make / model. I want to stay in
the
> $200-300 price range, want a 20-25 gallon upright model, and something
> that's quiet or relatively quiet. Oil-less or oiled doesn't matter. I'll
> oil to get rid of some of the noise.
>
> Thanks in advance, and yes I did do a google search.
>
> Mike Rinken
>
>

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

11/10/2003 11:59 AM


"Joseph W Ingham" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Piping your air intake to the outside will lead to far more moisture
buildup
> in the compressor, at least in any parts of the country with high humidity
> levels. Plus temp change from outside air to inside will be another cause
> of moisture.

Following the recommendations of Ingersol Rand, our 150 HP compressor intake
is outside. It runs 24 hours a day, 5 days a week. Temperature range can
be below zero to 100 in the summer.

Condensation is normal during the compression of air. The air is also
heated during the process so cooler air from outside is a benefit. The only
time humidity levels make a difference is when the inside air is modified to
reduce it. In a typical garage setup, the relative humidity is the same
inside as outside. In a heated shop or basement, it may be lower in winter.
Keep in mind though, humidity is "relative" to temperature (moisture holding
capacity), actual humidity (moisture content) will have much less of an
affect on the compression cycle.
Ed.

GM

"George M. Kazaka"

in reply to "Creamy Goodness" on 09/10/2003 10:32 AM

09/10/2003 2:33 PM

Food for thought for you home workers and the sound of compressors.
Best bet is and upright put in in a corner and build a 1x2 framed wall
around it and insulate it including the top this will muffle the sound down
pretty damn good.
Also will keep the dirt out, try to get it near an outside wall and replumb
the Air intake expanding it bigger with pipe reducers in the oppisite way of
course and buy a totally differant filter for it, Many sizes in the
Graingers catalogue.
Pipe it to the outside and the elbow it downward so the intake is facing the
ground.
Your compressor is now sucking in outside air and weather cannot get into
it.
If I made this sound complicated it ain't write to me and I will e-mail you
a sketch of what I mean.

Incidently when looking for a compressor do not look at PSI or the so called
rated HP look for the CFM it produces
Good Luck,
George

"Creamy Goodness" <creamy@nospam_agbf1942.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Finally upgrading the pancake compressor in my workshop to a much larger
> capacity and quieter model. Question is, which one?
>
> I've seen several around town at the local BORG, Rockler, even Sams Club
has
> a Coleman 25 gallon for $220. My only problem is I can't get anyone to
let
> me plug em in and turn em on to see how quiet (or loud) it is. The Porter
> Cable pancake one I have is plenty loud, and I've read from the NG that
> oil-less compressors make for the loudest ones.
>
> So question for the wreck, do you own a "quiet" (I know they're never
really
> that quiet) compressor, and if so what make / model. I want to stay in
the
> $200-300 price range, want a 20-25 gallon upright model, and something
> that's quiet or relatively quiet. Oil-less or oiled doesn't matter. I'll
> oil to get rid of some of the noise.
>
> Thanks in advance, and yes I did do a google search.
>
> Mike Rinken
>
>


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