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"Todd Fatheree"

17/08/2005 9:23 PM

Attach new top to old table base

A few weeks ago, SWMBO was talking to me about the table in our room. She
wants to be able to do her scrapbook thing on it, but the surface is too
rough to write on. Up to now, it hasn't been a problem because its main
function has been as a depository for miscellaneous crap. The top had
splits along the glue lines and boards that didn't line up at the surface,
so it wasn't much good for writing on. In retrospect, I might have saved
money and certainly time had I gone to the local glass place and bought a
nice glass top for it. But hey, I'm not doing this woodworking thing
because I want things cheap and easy, right? So, I bought some 5/4 red oak.
I told myself that I wanted practice filling grain.
Without going into further details, the top is done and now I need to attach
it to the base. Unfortunately, whoever made this table in the past put
pocket holes through the top inside of the aprons and screwed into the top
all around. Obviously, that didn't allow for much movement, which is
perhaps why it was partly in the shape it was in. I normally put a groove
along the top inside of the aprons and use a wooden "button" that fits into
the groove to attach the top. This would be a cool job for a plow plane, if
I had one. I suppose I could use a handheld router with a fence to put in a
groove, but I wonder if anyone has any other suggestions on other attachment
hardware that might facilitate this?.

todd


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c

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 8:31 AM


I wonder if anyone has any other suggestions on other attachment
> hardware that might facilitate this?.
>
> todd

A biscuit jointer can cut a slot into which you can use the metal
z-shaped table top fasteners designed to fit into a groove in the
apron. I don't know if you have a biscuit jointer or if it would fit
where you would need it for your project.

Charles

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 10:11 AM

Yes, use what are called Table Irons or Table Buttons or Figure 8's
like this
http://www.wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm/GroupID/Fasteners%20%26%20Screws/CatID/Fasteners/SubCatID/Desktop%20Fasteners

Use an appropriate sized Fostner bit to sink a shallow hole in the top
of the apron for the larger diameter end of the button to sit in. You
can make it a litte deeper than the thickness of the button if you
like. Make sure the hole breaks out of the inside edge of the apron,
just a bit. Put the button in the hole, countersinked side up and screw
the button down to the apron (most of them are countersinked on
opposite sides at each end).

You can go with as few as 4 buttons. I like to put one near each end of
the longer aprons. You can also place them wherever you need them to
help pull any cup out of a glued up top. Be sure to place them where
you will have easy access from under the base. For instance, if I am
not careful, I always put them exactly under a drawer rail and can't
get to them to screw them in.

Now place the table top on your work bench, face down. Place the table
base on top of the upside down top. Now you'll see the countersinked
side of the smaller end. Use very short screws and your done.

The buttons can twist in their holes so they take up any
expansion/contraction. Don't worry about how hard you screw them down,
the wood will move them where it needs to.

BW

SM

"Stephen M"

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 2:32 PM

Use option 2.... and use a biscuit joiner to cut your slots.

-Steve

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http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=50310&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1
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http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=40146&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1
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http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=40940&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1
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> Thanks for the links, however #1 is no better than the current situation.
I
> still need to cut a groove for #2. (I basically use a wooden version of
> this on a new table). #3 is interesting, but for me, I think it would
> easier to set up to cut the groove with a router + fence and use my normal
> fasteners. I'll have to keep #3 in mind for a potenial future use.
>
> Thanks,
> todd
>
>

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 3:01 PM

"Stephen M" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Use option 2.... and use a biscuit joiner to cut your slots.

That's a good idea actually. I'll have to keep that one in mind.

TF

"Todd Fatheree"

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 12:30 AM

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > groove, but I wonder if anyone has any other suggestions on other
> attachment
> > hardware that might facilitate this?.
>
> Simple, effective and quick. Take your choice.
>
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=50310&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1
>
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=40146&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1
>
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=40940&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1

Thanks for the links, however #1 is no better than the current situation. I
still need to cut a groove for #2. (I basically use a wooden version of
this on a new table). #3 is interesting, but for me, I think it would
easier to set up to cut the groove with a router + fence and use my normal
fasteners. I'll have to keep #3 in mind for a potenial future use.

Thanks,
todd

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 4:00 AM

"Todd Fatheree" wrote in message

> groove, but I wonder if anyone has any other suggestions on other
attachment
> hardware that might facilitate this?.

Slotted screw holes in cleats screwed/glued to the apron and/or figure eight
table top fasteners.

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Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 12:28 AM

"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> groove, but I wonder if anyone has any other suggestions on other
attachment
> hardware that might facilitate this?.

Simple, effective and quick. Take your choice.
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=50310&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=40146&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=1&p=40940&cat=3,43586,43588&ap=1

RL

"Robert Lee"

in reply to "Todd Fatheree" on 17/08/2005 9:23 PM

18/08/2005 9:34 AM

Consider a "figure 8" table top attachement hardware. The "eights" are
screwed first to the apron, then put the table upside down on the bottom of
the table top and screw the other hole in the 8 to the the table top. A
couple of these on each side of a rectangular table should be adequate., (I
hate to say this, but it would be eight figure 8s).


"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A few weeks ago, SWMBO was talking to me about the table in our room. She
> wants to be able to do her scrapbook thing on it, but the surface is too
> rough to write on. Up to now, it hasn't been a problem because its main

> hardware that might facilitate this?.
>
> todd
>
>


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