Just received my Woodworker's Journal and there is a good write up in it
about Sam Maloof and Jimmy Carter. But reading further into the ad section
I see an ad Sam Maloof and Woodline. It him endorsing their router bits. It
reads, "Use the same router bits that Sam Maloof uses".
What a crock a crap, Sam would never use this junk. I live about to streets
from him in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. and know him well. I have never seen him
use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw. I know he's
getting old and wonder if he's being talked into these crazy endorsements?
I'll have to take a walk up to his studio and ask him.
Rich
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Evodawg wrote:
> Just received my Woodworker's Journal and there is a good write up in it
> about Sam Maloof and Jimmy Carter. But reading further into the ad section
> I see an ad Sam Maloof and Woodline. It him endorsing their router bits. It
> reads, "Use the same router bits that Sam Maloof uses".
>
> What a crock a crap, Sam would never use this junk. I live about to streets
> from him in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. and know him well. I have never seen him
> use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw. I know he's
> getting old and wonder if he's being talked into these crazy endorsements?
> I'll have to take a walk up to his studio and ask him.
Perhaps they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If he's making a
million a year, would you blame him?
JP
Goin' with Leon on that one. I use a lot of router bits up. I throw
them away when they are used or too dirty and gunked up. So I use the
MLCS bits and just toss them when I am through.
For my better work, I use better bits.
But for production, how much longer does a Whiteside last than an MLCS
in constant use? Especially in light of the fact that it costs 2X, or
3X more than an MLCS? And if Maloof is using the roundover bits for
the splats, uprights, legs, rockers etc. there is not comparison with
the upper end home bits like CMT and Whiteside, Amana, etc. You can
cut a deal with MLCS that you won't believe on bulk purchases.
Would you want a $25 an hour student to stand and clean an expensive
bit and touch up sharpen for 15 minutes or so every hard 15 minutes of
use, or would you want them to use the crap out of a $4 bit and toss
it, then put a new fresh bit in for the next round?
I can see how Mr. Maloof would be swayed...
Robert
[email protected] wrote:
> doesn't say what he uses them for.
>
> paperweights?
What difference does it make what kind of bits Maloof uses?
Worry about your own work.
BILL POUNDS incorrectly quoted and attributed the following quote to
me:
> [email protected] wrote:
> Not talking about MLCS, the keyword here is Woodline! The WORST BITS MADE
IN
> CHINA. MLSC, the best bits made in China. Its just hard to imagine a man
> with such high standards in workmanship would endorse such a crap product.
> Personally I have never used Woodline but I have heard more than enough
war
> stories about their quality and safety issues to stay away from them.
You might think about NOT publicly dumping on a company who's product
you
have not used, not to mention calling into question the personal
integrity
of Mr. Maloof. Have you even actually seen their product?
--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com
SO Bill.. please read each post carefully and stay on the same page as
the rest of us. Especially if you have the damn gall to correct me for
something that you incorrectly quote me as saying.
I am perfectly capable of starting my own shit storm here without your
help, and have on occasion without trying. I don't need your netnanny
ways to admonish me, especially if you are can't find the correct kids
to wave your finger at while tapping your foot.
And shame on you.... you think I disparaged Sam Maloof? Read my
original post, not the quotes where someone rounds up all the previous
post to make their comments. Some people just won't snip.
I think if I were to "dump" publicly on anyone, it could actually be
you. But I won't. Just adjust your bifocals, please. Drink some warm
milk, and go to bed. Tomorrow will be all better.
Robert
I dunno, I picked up a cove set simply based on immediate need and
price, and its done pretty well by me, so I bought a few more which
haven't seen all that serious use, but I can't complain. I have CMT
and Jesada bits that I have used for many years as well, so that's my
base of comparison. I must say I was surprised by Sam's "endorsement"
but hey, everyone's entitled to cash in if they can, and you can't look
down on Sam because of that.....for chrissakes, Bob Dole endorsed
Viagra! I suspect the Woodline bashers above would jump at the chance
to sign up to an endorsement deal, presuming they were offered one.
Mutt
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Qrixf.6708$Xo5.130@trnddc02...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> Not talking about MLCS, the keyword here is Woodline! The WORST BITS MADE
IN
> CHINA. MLSC, the best bits made in China. Its just hard to imagine a man
> with such high standards in workmanship would endorse such a crap product.
> Personally I have never used Woodline but I have heard more than enough
war
> stories about their quality and safety issues to stay away from them.
You might think about NOT publicly dumping on a company who's product you
have not used, not to mention calling into question the personal integrity
of Mr. Maloof. Have you even actually seen their product?
--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> BILL POUNDS incorrectly quoted and attributed the following quote to
> me:
>
Sorry shooter, but it happens. In fact, Leon did it to me a bit down the
thread. But I guess I won't get my knickers twisted. I guess if I gave a
shit ... but I rarely do when it comes to the wrck.
--
********
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com
Evodawg wrote:
>
> Just received my Woodworker's Journal and there is a good write up in it
> about Sam Maloof and Jimmy Carter. But reading further into the ad section
> I see an ad Sam Maloof and Woodline. It him endorsing their router bits. It
> reads, "Use the same router bits that Sam Maloof uses".
>
> What a crock a crap, Sam would never use this junk. I live about to streets
> from him in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. and know him well. I have never seen him
> use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw. I know he's
> getting old and wonder if he's being talked into these crazy endorsements?
> I'll have to take a walk up to his studio and ask him.
>
> Rich
Actually, in the "Sam Malooof Woodworking Profile" video
(ISBN 0-942391-26-8), he mentions that he has special
router bits made for the legs to chair seat joints. I'm
guessing the marketing folks have taken a little liberty
with their wording. The profiles may be Maloof's, the ones
he uses. The Woodline bits - well who knows if he uses
theirs or not.
But if Woodline makes a set that is affordable and work
at least for one chair - what the hell. Now if Whiteside
would . . .
charlie b
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gtIxf.42460$uy3.29111@trnddc08...
> Pounds on Wood wrote:
.
>
> Just can't see why Mr Maloof would endorse such a shit product? Like I
> said
> I will ask him when I see him.
.
Until you talk to Sam and give us the true answer your statements are not
going to hold much water. We really do not think that you are Sam's
spokesman. We would rather hear what Sam has to say. Perhaps you could get
him to come to this group and give us his version of what is going on.
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> What a crock a crap, Sam would never use this junk. I live about to
> streets
> from him in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. and know him well. I have never seen him
> use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw. I know he's
> getting old and wonder if he's being talked into these crazy endorsements?
> I'll have to take a walk up to his studio and ask him.
.
Please let us know once you have the FACTS.
Leon wrote:
>
> "Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:XpQxf.62$he.10@trnddc03...
>> Leon wrote:
>>>
>
>>
>> Knowing him only as a neighbor and not a personal friend I doubt he even
>> has
>> a computer or would even know what to do with one.
>
> Whoa!! hold on now. You first indicated that you knew him well. Now you
> are indicating that you only know him as a neighbor.
Hey Leon, FUCK YOURSELF IN THE NECK!
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Kigxf.6685$Xo5.4351@trnddc02...
> Just received my Woodworker's Journal and there is a good write up in it
> about Sam Maloof and Jimmy Carter. But reading further into the ad section
> I see an ad Sam Maloof and Woodline. It him endorsing their router bits.
> It
> reads, "Use the same router bits that Sam Maloof uses".
>
> What a crock a crap, Sam would never use this junk. I live about to
> streets
> from him in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. and know him well. I have never seen him
> use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw. I know he's
> getting old and wonder if he's being talked into these crazy endorsements?
> I'll have to take a walk up to his studio and ask him.
>
Let us know what he says after you get the facts from him.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:13:46 GMT, Evodawg
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have never seen him
>>use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw.
>
> How is the "Maloof joint" cut then ? I thought that was two matching
> router cutters.
>
> According to Woodline, they're the people who make his favoured cutter
> sets.
Yeah right, How much did it cost them to have that right? Believe half of
what you see and nothing of what you read!
> http://www.woodline.com/Downloads/Maloof%20Bit%20Information.pdf
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
[email protected] wrote:
> Goin' with Leon on that one. I use a lot of router bits up. I throw
> them away when they are used or too dirty and gunked up. So I use the
> MLCS bits and just toss them when I am through.
>
> For my better work, I use better bits.
>
> But for production, how much longer does a Whiteside last than an MLCS
> in constant use? Especially in light of the fact that it costs 2X, or
> 3X more than an MLCS? And if Maloof is using the roundover bits for
> the splats, uprights, legs, rockers etc. there is not comparison with
> the upper end home bits like CMT and Whiteside, Amana, etc. You can
> cut a deal with MLCS that you won't believe on bulk purchases.
>
> Would you want a $25 an hour student to stand and clean an expensive
> bit and touch up sharpen for 15 minutes or so every hard 15 minutes of
> use, or would you want them to use the crap out of a $4 bit and toss
> it, then put a new fresh bit in for the next round?
>
> I can see how Mr. Maloof would be swayed...
>
> Robert
Not talking about MLCS, the keyword here is Woodline! The WORST BITS MADE IN
CHINA. MLSC, the best bits made in China. Its just hard to imagine a man
with such high standards in workmanship would endorse such a crap product.
Personally I have never used Woodline but I have heard more than enough war
stories about their quality and safety issues to stay away from them.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
"Pounds on Wood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sorry shooter, but it happens. In fact, Leon did it to me a bit down the
> thread. But I guess I won't get my knickers twisted. I guess if I gave a
> shit ... but I rarely do when it comes to the wrck.
SORRY Bill... ;~)
Leon wrote:
>
> "Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:gtIxf.42460$uy3.29111@trnddc08...
>> Pounds on Wood wrote:
> .
>>
>> Just can't see why Mr Maloof would endorse such a shit product? Like I
>> said
>> I will ask him when I see him.
> .
>
> Until you talk to Sam and give us the true answer your statements are not
> going to hold much water. We really do not think that you are Sam's
> spokesman. We would rather hear what Sam has to say. Perhaps you could
> get him to come to this group and give us his version of what is going on.
Knowing him only as a neighbor and not a personal friend I doubt he even has
a computer or would even know what to do with one. He's seems pretty busy
with his new studio and workshops. I met him about 20 years ago not knowing
who he was.
I'm a general engineering contractor and was building a Satellite receive
site adjacent to his orange grove. This was his original residents. He was
out doing maintenance in the grove and we started to talk. He introduced
himself and that's when I recognized the name.
I asked if I could see some of his pieces, so we went to this dilapidated
barn and in the house. A one hour tour ended up 5 hours with me picking his
brain. Needless to say either of us got anything done that day.
Anyway, that studio and workshop has been torn down to make way for a new
freeway (210) and the state paid to move his historic and basically museum
up the hill where I live and its really impressive. He now has a modern
looking studio and workshops on about 10 acres. Every now and then I'll see
him in the garden and orchard and will stop to talk. Haven't seen him for
some time but that's not unusual, he keeps himself pretty busy.
I was just really surprised to see him endorsing THAT product!
Rich
Rancho Cucamonga, Ca. yes there really is a Rancho Cucamonga! Old saying in
the area. The name was used a lot by the writers of Bugs Bunny Cartoons as
a joke. And Jack Benny would also make jokes about the place and put it on
the map. Back then 35,000 folks live here, now its more like 200,000, the
good ole days.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Qrixf.6708$Xo5.130@trnddc02...
> [email protected] wrote:
Snip
> Personally I have never used Woodline but I have heard more than enough
> war
> stories about their quality and safety issues to stay away from them.
A quote from you or someone above using your name,
Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you read!
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> Goin' with Leon on that one.
Yeah... me too. But somehow I can't imagine that Sam really gives much
of a care about the money.... as long as it does the job.
Maybe his buddy, Jimmy Carter, got him a deal?
Pounds on Wood wrote:
>
> You might think about NOT publicly dumping on a company who's product you
> have not used, not to mention calling into question the personal integrity
> of Mr. Maloof. Have you even actually seen their product?
>
Yes I have seen them, never used them. I know the owner, one of, if not the
biggist assholes I have ever met. I'm not basing my opinion on the owner
just what many respected woodworkers have said. With testimonials like that
who needs to. There pure junk! Like I said in an earlier post, the worst
router bits made in China.
Just can't see why Mr Maloof would endorse such a shit product? Like I said
I will ask him when I see him.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:KIUxf.95$he.70@trnddc03...
>>
>> Whoa!! hold on now. You first indicated that you knew him well. Now you
>> are indicating that you only know him as a neighbor.
>
> Hey Leon, FUCK YOURSELF IN THE NECK!
I guess you make it all up to suit your needs, as I suspected.
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Kigxf.6685$Xo5.4351@trnddc02...
> Just received my Woodworker's Journal and there is a good write up in it
> about Sam Maloof and Jimmy Carter. But reading further into the ad section
> I see an ad Sam Maloof and Woodline. It him endorsing their router bits.
> It
> reads, "Use the same router bits that Sam Maloof uses".
>
> What a crock a crap, Sam would never use this junk. I live about to
> streets
> from him in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. and know him well. I have never seen him
> use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw. I know he's
> getting old and wonder if he's being talked into these crazy endorsements?
> I'll have to take a walk up to his studio and ask him.
I am thinking that since you "know him well" that you should ask him what
the real story is. I have a feeling that he probably does use the bits. If
he seldom uses a router like you say, it would make sense that he would buy
the cheaper bits.
"Evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:XpQxf.62$he.10@trnddc03...
> Leon wrote:
>>
>
> Knowing him only as a neighbor and not a personal friend I doubt he even
> has
> a computer or would even know what to do with one.
Whoa!! hold on now. You first indicated that you knew him well. Now you
are indicating that you only know him as a neighbor.
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:13:46 GMT, Evodawg
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I have never seen him
>use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw.
How is the "Maloof joint" cut then ? I thought that was two matching
router cutters.
According to Woodline, they're the people who make his favoured cutter
sets.
http://www.woodline.com/Downloads/Maloof%20Bit%20Information.pdf
Jay Pique wrote:
>
> Evodawg wrote:
>> Just received my Woodworker's Journal and there is a good write up in it
>> about Sam Maloof and Jimmy Carter. But reading further into the ad
>> section I see an ad Sam Maloof and Woodline. It him endorsing their
>> router bits. It reads, "Use the same router bits that Sam Maloof uses".
>>
>> What a crock a crap, Sam would never use this junk. I live about to
>> streets from him in Rancho Cucamonga, CA. and know him well. I have never
>> seen him use a router, most of his work is done from the band saw. I know
>> he's getting old and wonder if he's being talked into these crazy
>> endorsements? I'll have to take a walk up to his studio and ask him.
>
> Perhaps they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If he's making a
> million a year, would you blame him?
>
> JP
At 90 I don't really think he needs the money unless it's for his estate.
Just thought integrity would play a large part too. Wondering how much his
agent is manipulating him? I know he would just rather do his wood thing
than get involved with the business of woodworking.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:12:10 GMT, Evodawg
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon wrote:
>>
>> Whoa!! hold on now. You first indicated that you knew him well. Now you
>> are indicating that you only know him as a neighbor.
>
>Hey Leon, F
My computer got the same message as Leon. <G>
I have almost only Woodline, probably ten shaper cutters and at least five
sets of router bits. I've used the shaper cutters far more than the router
bits, but have never had trouble with any of them. The door bit has
probably made 30-40 doors from hard oak and hickory and it's still sharp and
clean. I also bought my SECO shaper from them at a show and it's fine.
I bought all this stuff several years ago, so maybe QC has slipped, but
miine are OK. The guy in charge when I bought and met him at a show, was
Phil.
Wilson
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> BILL POUNDS incorrectly quoted and attributed the following quote to
> me:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Not talking about MLCS, the keyword here is Woodline! The WORST BITS MADE
> IN
>> CHINA. MLSC, the best bits made in China. Its just hard to imagine a man
>> with such high standards in workmanship would endorse such a crap
>> product.
>> Personally I have never used Woodline but I have heard more than enough
> war
>> stories about their quality and safety issues to stay away from them.
>
>
>
> You might think about NOT publicly dumping on a company who's product
> you
> have not used, not to mention calling into question the personal
> integrity
> of Mr. Maloof. Have you even actually seen their product?
>
> --
> ********
> Bill Pounds
> http://www.billpounds.com
>
> SO Bill.. please read each post carefully and stay on the same page as
> the rest of us. Especially if you have the damn gall to correct me for
> something that you incorrectly quote me as saying.
>
> I am perfectly capable of starting my own shit storm here without your
> help, and have on occasion without trying. I don't need your netnanny
> ways to admonish me, especially if you are can't find the correct kids
> to wave your finger at while tapping your foot.
>
> And shame on you.... you think I disparaged Sam Maloof? Read my
> original post, not the quotes where someone rounds up all the previous
> post to make their comments. Some people just won't snip.
>
> I think if I were to "dump" publicly on anyone, it could actually be
> you. But I won't. Just adjust your bifocals, please. Drink some warm
> milk, and go to bed. Tomorrow will be all better.
>
> Robert
>