Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
TMT
Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
said in its weekly report on death and disease.
"This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
"During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
occurring among consumers," the report read.
Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
dangers.
On Apr 13, 8:34 am, Ignoramus10909 <ignoramus10...@NOSPAM.
10909.invalid> wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2007 08:22:34 -0700, Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>
> > TMT
>
> > Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>
> > Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> > nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> > according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>
> > Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> > said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>
> > "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> > during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> > compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> > no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>
> > But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> > that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> > since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>
> > "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> > 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> > annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> > occurring among consumers," the report read.
>
> > Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> > gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>
> > The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> > dangers.
>
> Would be interesting to know what kinds of injuries.
>
>
> Would be interesting to know what kinds of injuries.<
Hi Iggy,
Punctures mostly, I'd imagine. We had a new employee, putting the
finishing touches to a crated machine, who managed to staple himself
to the side of the crate. Just moving too fast for his brain to catch-
up, I guess. Didn't hit any bone so it turned out ok. Good thing we
were there though, otherwise I don't know how he would have gotten
loose.
dennis
in nca
On Apr 13, 10:44 am, "rigger" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 8:34 am, Ignoramus10909 <ignoramus10...@NOSPAM.
> > Would be interesting to know what kinds of injuries.<
>
> Hi Iggy,
>
> Punctures mostly, I'd imagine. We had a new employee, putting the
> finishing touches to a crated machine, who managed to staple himself
> to the side of the crate. Just moving too fast for his brain to catch-
> up, I guess. Didn't hit any bone so it turned out ok. Good thing we
> were there though, otherwise I don't know how he would have gotten
> loose.
I saw a guy put his hand on top of the gun to hold it steady in an
enclosed space. Don't think he thought that all the way through.
Nail gun of course jumped, hand was between gun and top of said space,
not pleasant.
On Apr 13, 9:22 am, "Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>
> TMT
>
> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>
> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>
> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>
> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>
> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>
> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>
> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>
> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> dangers.
There's at least a couple of different trigger systems out there, the
one that seems to cause the most problems is one where you can pull
the trigger and bump the safety interlock on the nose against the work
and the gun fires. If you're experienced, you can use the recoil to
move to the next area and repeat by just holding the trigger down. If
you're not experienced, the recoil may bump the nose against something
you don't want perforated, leg, arm, the guy next to you. The other
system requires a trigger release before the next actuation, no matter
what the safety interlock position is. The pros don't like that type
because it's perceived as being slower. Some nail guns can be
switched from one type to the other, would seem to me to be that the
default mode should be to require a trigger release for each
actuation. The same rules should apply to nail guns as to real guns.
Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to fire.
They'll be going after the $10 HF nailguns next, "cheap Saturday-
Morning Specials"...
Stan
On Apr 13, 10:22 am, "Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>
> TMT
>
> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>
> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>
> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>
> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>
> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>
> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>
> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>
> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> dangers.
Hey, maybe the Government will require one to be licensed to own a
nail gun.
And then the nails will be sold from behind the counter.
Then only criminals will own nail guns....
TMT
On Apr 13, 4:23 pm, Bob Engelhardt <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'll bet there's a lot more "shootings" than they know about. None of
> the ones that I know about (including my own) resulted in a trip to the
> ER. Pull the nail out and keep on working. There's not much for the ER
> to do. Give you a tetanus shot if you're not up to date.
>
> I'm sure that there are serious shootings that need to be attended to
> and there are people who will go to the ER for even minor ones, but
> overall there must be a lot that are uncounted.
>
> Bob
As a self proclaimed weekend warrior I would like to keep myself out
of this category. The fun of it is that I recently acquired a
Bostitch Brad Nailer. Along with a Hitachi 6 gallon compressor. Is
there a list of pointers/safety tips/life experiences that anyone can
refer to? I haven't used either yet, but I would like to use them
safely. Right now laziness is keeping me safe.
On Apr 13, 5:14 pm, "cleech" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 4:23 pm, Bob Engelhardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'll bet there's a lot more "shootings" than they know about. None of
> > the ones that I know about (including my own) resulted in a trip to the
> > ER. Pull the nail out and keep on working. There's not much for the ER
> > to do. Give you a tetanus shot if you're not up to date.
>
> > I'm sure that there are serious shootings that need to be attended to
> > and there are people who will go to the ER for even minor ones, but
> > overall there must be a lot that are uncounted.
>
> > Bob
>
> As a self proclaimed weekend warrior I would like to keep myself out
> of this category. The fun of it is that I recently acquired a
> Bostitch Brad Nailer. Along with a Hitachi 6 gallon compressor. Is
> there a list of pointers/safety tips/life experiences that anyone can
> refer to? I haven't used either yet, but I would like to use them
> safely. Right now laziness is keeping me safe.
For starters, keep your finger off the trigger unless you fully intend
to fire. Like with a firearm. Failing to do that has gotten many
workers
nailed through helmets, even, reportedly. Not to mention that, for
_any_
part of the human anatomy, someone has had a nail fired there.
Considering what it takes to drive a 3-incher into lumber ...
Or with one Hitachi, into concrete ...
J
They watch movies and see the crazy stuff the good guys do to bad guys.
Then they know what is wrong and right.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Endowment Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot"s Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/
todd wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"Pete C." wrote
>>
>>>Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>>>specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
>>>nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
>>>why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
>>>thing about any kind of gun...
>>>
>>
>>Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>>
>>That is all the meadia types know.
>>
>>Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them fired.
>
>
> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>
> todd
>
>
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>
> TMT
>
> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>
>
Same here in OZ - any cheap power tool will allow idiots the freedom
to purchase them....one of the local hospitals has whats known as the
"Black and Decker" ward, full of amputees from circular saws.....
Chain saws cause more serious injuries and some deaths than guns, but
you don't need a license to buy a chain saw...
There is a proliferation of "do it yourself" shows on TV which purport
to show how easy it is to do the things it normally takes a reasonably
skilled tradesman to do... This, coupled with a flood of dirt cheap
Chinese power tools...
For the observant among you, note the following in these shows...
1.All the wood is pre-cut to size - none of this messy measuring and
cutting accurately nonsense required
2.You will see hands/arms operating power tools - BUT you will NEVER
see them attached to the "actor" doing the demo.....why - well, health
and safety regs wouldn't allow an unskilled person to operate
dangerous machinery.
3.The favorite power tool activity seems to be running in a screw with
a cordless drill....why, I don't know...
Anybody else want to add to this list? - there are sure to be things I
have missed...
Andrew VK3BFA.
PS - spent this Saturday afternoon. listening to the next door
neighbor building "something" - his saw blade is blunt, so it grinds
its way through the wood. He has a nail gun, so everything gets
several dozen nails fired into it. And he cant cut to length, so the
electric plane with the chipped blades howls for ages...........when
he finishes, he gets out the petrol powered leaf blower to clean
up.....
But, I do admit, hes getting better - he hasn't had anything collapse
for a while now, even though its fascinating watching his structures
sway in the occasional high wind we get...
On Apr 14, 12:58 am, "Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sorry, meant to say " am not sure exactly what the rules are""Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > don't even go there!
>
> > I am not sure exactly what the runs are but in Canada all "automatic"
> > weapons are pretty much banned. So, where thec heck does a nail gun with
> > a 100 nail magazine fit in?
>
> > "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>> "Pete C." wrote
>
> >>>>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
> >>>>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows
> >>>>> a
> >>>>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of
> >>>>> course
> >>>>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the
> >>>>> slightest
> >>>>> thing about any kind of gun...
>
> >>>> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>
> >>>> That is all the media types know.
>
> >>>> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them
> >>>> fired.
>
> >>> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
> >>> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>
> >> Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten
> >> nails, it will probably be legal.
If you read the law to the letter its a firearm because the laws are
badly written. The Canadian laws are written deliberately widely.
BESIDES I bet more politicians have likely seen the scene in "Lethal
Weapon" where it has been used as a weapon than have held and used one
themselves
last i read pellet guns to potato guns and bows and arrows
(traditional, compound, recurves) all in some way fit as firearms.
if i felt like causing stuff i could try registering a potato gun =)
A little reading and it could meet all the requirements of a
"firearm"
Mechanically nailers are very similar to firearms the biggest
difference is in propellant.
If a criminal here takes too creative a view of a firearm or a police
officer takes too narrow a view they could get "criminalized" at which
point i'll be applying for a firearms Aquisition certificate and
taking a HUNTER SAFETY COURSE to use a nailgun
(I can hear the deer laughing at the silly humans now)
Single shot. Short range and very dependent on a hose or a gas charge.
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Endowment Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot"s Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/
George wrote:
>
> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
>> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>>
>> todd
>>
> Nope, double action. Assault weapons are capable of full auto.
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Likely rated at the .22 short concrete nail guns that shoot nails into concrete.
Those did not have as much safety double triggers as the nail guns do.
I have a finish nailer and a stapler. Both have given fantastic service to me.
I have partials of 3 10,000 nail boxes. Just Finished up a 1000 staple box in one project.
What I found was the F=MA thing - if A is high then the mass that hits it is nominal.
I could nail up bird houses and thin frame stuff that a hammer would never do.
Using glue and a few nails various light things went together.
I put in flooring in an attic. It was pine, but I used ship lap in case I had to
dig out a section for electrical. Ship lap lays down the same, but the groove side
is top only - so a center board can be replaced center under previous tail
and since only the top is there the board lays flat.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Endowment Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot"s Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/
Lew Hartswick wrote:
> Pete C. wrote:
>
>> They did, at least for a time in some places. When the powder actuated
>> nail guns first came out they met the rather vague definition of a
>> handgun in some states and the states had to rework their laws to
>> exclude them.
>>
>> Pete C.
>
>
> In 1979 in PA to rent a powder actuated nailer you had to take
> a test and get a license. Had to get one.
> ...lew...
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On Apr 13, 7:09 pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> "Pete C." wrote
>
> >>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
> >>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
> >>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
> >>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
> >>> thing about any kind of gun...
>
> >> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>
> >> That is all the media types know.
>
> >> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them fired.
>
> > Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
> > gun...it's an assault weapon.
>
> Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten nails,
> it will probably be legal.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than
ten nails,
> it will probably be legal.-
That's only IF (and a big "if" if you'll notice) it does not have the
capability of mounting a bayonet (how many idiots in the
California legislature did it take to come up with THAT????)
dennis
in nca
On Apr 14, 2:04 pm, Pat Coghlan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doug Brown wrote:
> > don't even go there!
>
> > I am not sure exactly what the runs are but in Canada all "automatic"
> > weapons are pretty much banned. So, where thec heck does a nail gun with a
> > 100 nail magazine fit in?
>
> It's not like you can pick one up and start shooting, is it? Don't you
> have to press the tip down on a hard surface for the interlock to disengage?
something as simple as DUCT tape will defeat the contact tip
and firearms have a safety interlock to remove the trigger from
service too dont forget.
But nailguns would technically be semi auto although i dont want to
check i'm almost sure mine at least wont empty all 100 nails out if
the contact tip is held down 1 squeeze one nail
BUT thats getting off topic
Funny now that you say it I use a air nailer and haven't split my nails with
a hammer in a while. Maybe I better get back to the safer hammer.
"EXT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> And there probably was a corresponding decrease in injuries from using
> hammers such as crushed fingers and other impact injuries, but nobody
> checks.
>
> "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>>>
>>> TMT
>>
>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
>> thing about any kind of gun...
>>
>> Pete C.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>>>
>>> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
>>> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
>>> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>>>
>>> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
>>> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>>>
>>> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
>>> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
>>> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
>>> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>>>
>>> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
>>> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
>>> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>>>
>>> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
>>> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
>>> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
>>> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>>>
>>> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
>>> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>>>
>>> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
>>> dangers.
>
>
speaking as a Canadian, does the right to bear arms apply to either air guns
powder acutatted guns or other?
"Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>>
>> TMT
>
> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
> thing about any kind of gun...
>
> Pete C.
>
>
>>
>> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>>
>> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
>> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
>> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>>
>> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
>> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>>
>> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
>> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
>> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
>> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>>
>> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
>> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
>> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>>
>> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
>> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
>> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
>> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>>
>> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
>> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>>
>> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
>> dangers.
don't even go there!
I am not sure exactly what the runs are but in Canada all "automatic"
weapons are pretty much banned. So, where thec heck does a nail gun with a
100 nail magazine fit in?
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> "Pete C." wrote
>>>>
>>>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>>>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows
>>>> a
>>>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
>>>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the
>>>> slightest
>>>> thing about any kind of gun...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>>>
>>> That is all the media types know.
>>>
>>> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them fired.
>>
>> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
>> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>>
>
> Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten
> nails, it will probably be legal.
>
>
>
Sorry, meant to say " am not sure exactly what the rules are"
"Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> don't even go there!
>
> I am not sure exactly what the runs are but in Canada all "automatic"
> weapons are pretty much banned. So, where thec heck does a nail gun with
> a 100 nail magazine fit in?
>
>
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Pete C." wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>>>>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows
>>>>> a
>>>>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of
>>>>> course
>>>>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the
>>>>> slightest
>>>>> thing about any kind of gun...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>>>>
>>>> That is all the media types know.
>>>>
>>>> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them
>>>> fired.
>>>
>>> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
>>> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>>>
>>
>> Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten
>> nails, it will probably be legal.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> As they should be, along with caulking guns, staple guns, and Guns n' Roses
> and Guns of Navarone. .
If they are going to ban any guns at all, I'd just as soon they ban slogans.
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Steve B wrote:
> "Dan White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "T.Alan Kraus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> caulking guns are next!
>>
>> ROFL! A caulking gun accident? Now that I'd like to see:
>>
>> "A 25 year old man in Durham went deaf yesterday afternoon in a tragic
>> caulking gun accident. The victim accidentally siliconed his ears shut."
>>
>> Thanks for the laugh.
>>
>> dwhite
>>
>>
>
> The man had the last laugh collecting $3.2 million dollars and a lifetime
> supply of caulking products. He was able to prove that there were no
> instructions telling him NOT to put the caulking in his ears.
>
> Steve
>
Sorry, Steve ... but this is one I just gotta ask for details on. I
mean, do I have to send a warning to all of my customers not to use the
pens for eye surgery, clearing ear wax or as suppositories?
I want to look the court case up to get a look at the summary.
Bill
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Gunner wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:32:23 -0700, "Stupendous Man" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>> A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
>>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
>>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
>>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
>>> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
>>> cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
>>> Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
>> Great words, but LL is a fictional character created by Robert Heinlein.
>> The baby is almost 2 and I still havent had to change a diaper!
>>
>
> So lets hope you never speak a quote from Mark Twain, or Shakespear etc.
>
> Or the Bible for that matter.
>
>
> Gunner
>
LL (one of my favorite quotes, btw) is clearly and unabashedly
fictional, but there is archeology to support a number of the named
characters in the Bible.
"When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." (The Twins)
The Biblical David did much the same thing in 1 Samuel 21:10-15
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:22:24 -0500, Ignoramus10909
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:51:54 -0700, Steve B <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I saw an episode where good citizens go in and do projects for challenged
>> people. A blind father had two girls, and no wife. The
>> crew came in and remodeled the girl's room and did some other work.
>
>Very nice, though, if he had no wife, why would he be remodeling
>anything. Usually it is the wives that want to remodel perfectly well
>functioning rooms.
>
>i
Two girls.
A friend of mine once said "If it wasn't for women we'd all still live
in caves.......................
and be happy!" Then his wife slugged him to prove the point.
Pete Keillor
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>
> TMT
Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
thing about any kind of gun...
Pete C.
>
> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>
> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>
> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>
> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>
> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>
> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>
> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>
> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> dangers.
[email protected] wrote:
>
> On Apr 13, 9:22 am, "Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
> >
> > TMT
> >
> > Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
> >
> > Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> > nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> > according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
> >
> > Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> > said in its weekly report on death and disease.
> >
> > "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> > during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> > compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> > no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
> >
> > But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> > that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> > since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
> >
> > "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> > 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> > annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> > occurring among consumers," the report read.
> >
> > Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> > gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
> >
> > The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> > dangers.
>
> There's at least a couple of different trigger systems out there, the
> one that seems to cause the most problems is one where you can pull
> the trigger and bump the safety interlock on the nose against the work
> and the gun fires. If you're experienced, you can use the recoil to
> move to the next area and repeat by just holding the trigger down. If
> you're not experienced, the recoil may bump the nose against something
> you don't want perforated, leg, arm, the guy next to you. The other
> system requires a trigger release before the next actuation, no matter
> what the safety interlock position is. The pros don't like that type
> because it's perceived as being slower. Some nail guns can be
> switched from one type to the other, would seem to me to be that the
> default mode should be to require a trigger release for each
> actuation. The same rules should apply to nail guns as to real guns.
> Keep your finger off the trigger until your ready to fire.
>
> They'll be going after the $10 HF nailguns next, "cheap Saturday-
> Morning Specials"...
>
> Stan
The Porter-Cable nailguns come with the sequential fire triggers as
standard. If you call them they will send you the bounce trigger at no
charge. I use the bounce trigger on mine and have yet to attach myself
to my work.
Pete C.
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> On Apr 13, 10:22 am, "Too_Many_Tools" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
> >
> > TMT
> >
> > Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
> >
> > Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> > nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> > according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
> >
> > Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> > said in its weekly report on death and disease.
> >
> > "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> > during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> > compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> > no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
> >
> > But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> > that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> > since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
> >
> > "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> > 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> > annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> > occurring among consumers," the report read.
> >
> > Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> > gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
> >
> > The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> > dangers.
>
> Hey, maybe the Government will require one to be licensed to own a
> nail gun.
>
> And then the nails will be sold from behind the counter.
>
> Then only criminals will own nail guns....
>
> TMT
They did, at least for a time in some places. When the powder actuated
nail guns first came out they met the rather vague definition of a
handgun in some states and the states had to rework their laws to
exclude them.
Pete C.
And there probably was a corresponding decrease in injuries from using
hammers such as crushed fingers and other impact injuries, but nobody
checks.
"Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>>
>> TMT
>
> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
> thing about any kind of gun...
>
> Pete C.
>
>
>>
>> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>>
>> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
>> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
>> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>>
>> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
>> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>>
>> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
>> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
>> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
>> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>>
>> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
>> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
>> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>>
>> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
>> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
>> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
>> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>>
>> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
>> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>>
>> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
>> dangers.
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Pete C." wrote
>
>>Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>>specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
>>nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
>>why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
>>thing about any kind of gun...
>>
>
>
> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>
> That is all the meadia types know.
>
> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them fired.
>
>
>
caulking guns are next!
Andrew VK3BFA wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>>
>> TMT
>>
>> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>>
>>
>
> Same here in OZ - any cheap power tool will allow idiots the freedom
> to purchase them....one of the local hospitals has whats known as the
> "Black and Decker" ward, full of amputees from circular saws.....
>
> Chain saws cause more serious injuries and some deaths than guns, but
> you don't need a license to buy a chain saw...
>
> There is a proliferation of "do it yourself" shows on TV which purport
> to show how easy it is to do the things it normally takes a reasonably
> skilled tradesman to do... This, coupled with a flood of dirt cheap
> Chinese power tools...
>
> For the observant among you, note the following in these shows...
>
> 1.All the wood is pre-cut to size - none of this messy measuring and
> cutting accurately nonsense required
> 2.You will see hands/arms operating power tools - BUT you will NEVER
> see them attached to the "actor" doing the demo.....why - well, health
> and safety regs wouldn't allow an unskilled person to operate
> dangerous machinery.
> 3.The favorite power tool activity seems to be running in a screw with
> a cordless drill....why, I don't know...
>
> Anybody else want to add to this list? - there are sure to be things I
> have missed...
>
> Andrew VK3BFA.
>
> PS - spent this Saturday afternoon. listening to the next door
> neighbor building "something" - his saw blade is blunt, so it grinds
> its way through the wood. He has a nail gun, so everything gets
> several dozen nails fired into it. And he cant cut to length, so the
> electric plane with the chipped blades howls for ages...........when
> he finishes, he gets out the petrol powered leaf blower to clean
> up.....
>
> But, I do admit, hes getting better - he hasn't had anything collapse
> for a while now, even though its fascinating watching his structures
> sway in the occasional high wind we get...
>
For those of you who are curious, I
don't live in Oz.
Although based on the above post, my
wife thinks I'm related to your neighbour.
Tanus
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Doug Brown wrote:
> don't even go there!
>
> I am not sure exactly what the runs are but in Canada all "automatic"
> weapons are pretty much banned. So, where thec heck does a nail gun with a
> 100 nail magazine fit in?
It's not like you can pick one up and start shooting, is it? Don't you
have to press the tip down on a hard surface for the interlock to disengage?
I am sure we have all seen TV shows where nail guns are used as weapons,
firing nails across a room, even one had the gun firing continuously as in a
machine gun.
"Brent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 14, 12:58 am, "Doug Brown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Sorry, meant to say " am not sure exactly what the rules are""Doug Brown"
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
>> > don't even go there!
>>
>> > I am not sure exactly what the runs are but in Canada all "automatic"
>> > weapons are pretty much banned. So, where thec heck does a nail gun
>> > with
>> > a 100 nail magazine fit in?
>>
>> > "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>>
>> >> "todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>news:[email protected]...
>> >>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> >>>> "Pete C." wrote
>>
>> >>>>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>> >>>>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used
>> >>>>> shows
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of
>> >>>>> course
>> >>>>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the
>> >>>>> slightest
>> >>>>> thing about any kind of gun...
>>
>> >>>> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>>
>> >>>> That is all the media types know.
>>
>> >>>> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them
>> >>>> fired.
>>
>> >>> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
>> >>> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>>
>> >> Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten
>> >> nails, it will probably be legal.
>
> If you read the law to the letter its a firearm because the laws are
> badly written. The Canadian laws are written deliberately widely.
>
> BESIDES I bet more politicians have likely seen the scene in "Lethal
> Weapon" where it has been used as a weapon than have held and used one
> themselves
>
> last i read pellet guns to potato guns and bows and arrows
> (traditional, compound, recurves) all in some way fit as firearms.
>
> if i felt like causing stuff i could try registering a potato gun =)
>
> A little reading and it could meet all the requirements of a
> "firearm"
>
> Mechanically nailers are very similar to firearms the biggest
> difference is in propellant.
>
> If a criminal here takes too creative a view of a firearm or a police
> officer takes too narrow a view they could get "criminalized" at which
> point i'll be applying for a firearms Aquisition certificate and
> taking a HUNTER SAFETY COURSE to use a nailgun
>
> (I can hear the deer laughing at the silly humans now)
>
Stupendous Man wrote:
|| A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
|| butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
|| balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
|| take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
|| analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
|| cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
|| Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
|
| Great words, but LL is a fictional character created by Robert
| Heinlein. The baby is almost 2 and I still havent had to change a
| diaper!
RH made a good point, nevertheless.
Warning: your 2YO is about to explode! (apologies to John Cleese)
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EXT wrote:
>
> I am sure we have all seen TV shows where nail guns are used as weapons,
> firing nails across a room, even one had the gun firing continuously as in a
> machine gun.
Don't forget the "21 nail gun salute" on the TV show, "Home
Improvement"
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/homeimprovement-season3.html
5. Arrivederci, Binford (22:50) (Originally aired October 13, 1993) Tim
has troubling grieving after Mr. Binford dies, opting to play darts and
basketball with the boys rather than talk about his feelings. The boys
of K & B Construction return to "Tool Time" to dispense some on-the-job
grooming tips and Tim honors the show's creator with a 21-nail gun
salute.
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Central Florida
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Pete C." wrote
>>
>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
>> thing about any kind of gun...
>>
>
> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>
> That is all the meadia types know.
>
> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them fired.
Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
gun...it's an assault weapon.
todd
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:11:50 -0400, Dan White <[email protected]> wrote:
> "T.Alan Kraus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> caulking guns are next!
>
>
> ROFL! A caulking gun accident? Now that I'd like to see:
>
> "A 25 year old man in Durham went deaf yesterday afternoon in a tragic
> caulking gun accident. The victim accidentally siliconed his ears shut."
Actually...you heard about the prostitute who confused her tubes of
silicone caulk, and her KY Jelly?
All her windows fell out.
> A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
> cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
> Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
Great words, but LL is a fictional character created by Robert Heinlein.
The baby is almost 2 and I still havent had to change a diaper!
"Mark Rand" wrote in message
>
> "Test drive our new GAU/8A 30mm masonry stud insertion tool. It comes with
> seven operating chambers to increase productivity and improve cooling. Up
> to
> 70 studs can be inserted per second by relatively unskilled operators.
> With
> its light weight construction and custom designed A10 carrier, it can be
> used
> on jobs all around a state with very little transport or setup time. It
> has
> been used in large numbers with great success by Government contractors
> for
> work on tanks in hard to access locations"
>
>
Is that the warthog insertion tool?
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Pete C." wrote
>>>
>>> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
>>> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
>>> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
>>> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
>>> thing about any kind of gun...
>>>
>>
>> Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
>>
>> That is all the media types know.
>>
>> Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them fired.
>
> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>
Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten nails,
it will probably be legal.
Pete C. wrote:
> They did, at least for a time in some places. When the powder actuated
> nail guns first came out they met the rather vague definition of a
> handgun in some states and the states had to rework their laws to
> exclude them.
>
> Pete C.
In 1979 in PA to rent a powder actuated nailer you had to take
a test and get a license. Had to get one.
...lew...
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:26:07 GMT, "Pete C." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>>
>> TMT
Most body armor, Level II - III, without a ceramic insert...will NOT
stop a nail from a good nail gun. It will however slow it down a bit and
make it easier to pull out of your anatomy. Simply tear the armor off
and the nail comes with it.
Gunner
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:44:06 -0400, Bill in Detroit <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Steve B wrote:
>> "Dan White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "T.Alan Kraus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> caulking guns are next!
>>>
>>> ROFL! A caulking gun accident? Now that I'd like to see:
>>>
>>> "A 25 year old man in Durham went deaf yesterday afternoon in a tragic
>>> caulking gun accident. The victim accidentally siliconed his ears shut."
>>>
>>> Thanks for the laugh.
>>>
>>> dwhite
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The man had the last laugh collecting $3.2 million dollars and a lifetime
>> supply of caulking products. He was able to prove that there were no
>> instructions telling him NOT to put the caulking in his ears.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>Sorry, Steve ... but this is one I just gotta ask for details on. I
>mean, do I have to send a warning to all of my customers not to use the
>pens for eye surgery, clearing ear wax or as suppositories?
>
>I want to look the court case up to get a look at the summary.
Big and huge yellow warning stickers......
Mark
On 14 Apr 2007 13:46:54 -0700, "rigger" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
>> > gun...it's an assault weapon.
>>
>> Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten nails,
>> it will probably be legal.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than
>ten nails,
> > it will probably be legal.-
>
>That's only IF (and a big "if" if you'll notice) it does not have the
>capability of mounting a bayonet (how many idiots in the
>California legislature did it take to come up with THAT????)
>
>dennis
>in nca
The Bloods and the Crips have a nasty reputation for drive by
bayonetings here in LA
Gunner
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
On 13 Apr 2007 14:14:42 -0700, the renowned "cleech"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Apr 13, 4:23 pm, Bob Engelhardt <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'll bet there's a lot more "shootings" than they know about. None of
>> the ones that I know about (including my own) resulted in a trip to the
>> ER. Pull the nail out and keep on working. There's not much for the ER
>> to do. Give you a tetanus shot if you're not up to date.
>>
>> I'm sure that there are serious shootings that need to be attended to
>> and there are people who will go to the ER for even minor ones, but
>> overall there must be a lot that are uncounted.
>>
>> Bob
>
>As a self proclaimed weekend warrior I would like to keep myself out
>of this category. The fun of it is that I recently acquired a
>Bostitch Brad Nailer. Along with a Hitachi 6 gallon compressor. Is
>there a list of pointers/safety tips/life experiences that anyone can
>refer to? I haven't used either yet, but I would like to use them
>safely. Right now laziness is keeping me safe.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nailgun/nailgun_frontl.jpg
Don't shoot yourself in the heart:
http://ejcts.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/23/5/841
or anywhere else:
http://www.vesalius.com/graphics/archive/archtn.asp?VID=670&nrVID=669
And the BBC warns on the use of "fully automatic" nail guns.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3685791.stm
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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I'll bet there's a lot more "shootings" than they know about. None of
the ones that I know about (including my own) resulted in a trip to the
ER. Pull the nail out and keep on working. There's not much for the ER
to do. Give you a tetanus shot if you're not up to date.
I'm sure that there are serious shootings that need to be attended to
and there are people who will go to the ER for even minor ones, but
overall there must be a lot that are uncounted.
Bob
"Ignoramus10909" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:51:54 -0700, Steve B <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> I saw an episode where good citizens go in and do projects for challenged
>> people. A blind father had two girls, and no wife. The
>> crew came in and remodeled the girl's room and did some other work.
>
> Very nice, though, if he had no wife, why would he be remodeling
> anything. Usually it is the wives that want to remodel perfectly well
> functioning rooms.
>
> i
It was to get better quarters for his two daughters.
Steve
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> So lets hope you never speak a quote from Mark Twain, or Shakespear etc.
So, Mark Twain and Shakespear were fictional?
>
> Or the Bible for that matter.
You have a point there.
>
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>
> TMT
>
> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>
> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>
> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>
> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>
> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>
> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>
> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>
> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> dangers.
>
Same old solution---"Let's legislate some intelligence!"
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:51:54 -0700, Steve B <[email protected]> wrote:
> I saw an episode where good citizens go in and do projects for challenged
> people. A blind father had two girls, and no wife. The
> crew came in and remodeled the girl's room and did some other work.
Very nice, though, if he had no wife, why would he be remodeling
anything. Usually it is the wives that want to remodel perfectly well
functioning rooms.
i
"Pete C." wrote
>
> Dunno, but I think CNN.com needs to get a clue since the article
> specifically refers to pneumatic nail guns and the pic they used shows a
> nice Hilti powder actuated nail gun, a rather different item. Of course
> why would we expect the media to research properly or know the slightest
> thing about any kind of gun...
>
Guns = BAD = Screaming Headlines and Sensationalist TV Fare.
That is all the meadia types know.
Politically incorrect behavior or critical thinking will get them fired.
"Dan White" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "T.Alan Kraus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> caulking guns are next!
>
>
> ROFL! A caulking gun accident? Now that I'd like to see:
>
> "A 25 year old man in Durham went deaf yesterday afternoon in a tragic
> caulking gun accident. The victim accidentally siliconed his ears shut."
>
> Thanks for the laugh.
>
> dwhite
>
>
The man had the last laugh collecting $3.2 million dollars and a lifetime
supply of caulking products. He was able to prove that there were no
instructions telling him NOT to put the caulking in his ears.
Steve
On 13 Apr 2007 08:22:34 -0700, Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]> wrote:
> Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>
> TMT
>
> Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>
> Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
> nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
> according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>
> Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
> said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>
> "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
> during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
> compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
> no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>
> But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
> that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
> since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>
> "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
> 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
> annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
> occurring among consumers," the report read.
>
> Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
> gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>
> The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
> dangers.
>
Would be interesting to know what kinds of injuries.
i
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:09:10 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
>> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>>
>
>Well, if there is no pistol grip and the guns holds no more than ten nails,
>it will probably be legal.
>
>
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On 13 Apr 2007 14:14:42 -0700, "cleech" <[email protected]> wrote:
>As a self proclaimed weekend warrior I would like to keep myself out
>of this category. The fun of it is that I recently acquired a
>Bostitch Brad Nailer. Along with a Hitachi 6 gallon compressor. Is
>there a list of pointers/safety tips/life experiences that anyone can
>refer to? I haven't used either yet, but I would like to use them
>safely.
The first thing I would say, because it's the most natural motion to
get you into trouble, is don't grip the work like you would with a
manual hammer and nail. In other words, manually, one normally
positions the piece to be nailed over/on/against the piece to be
nailed into, hold them in alignment, usually between thumb and
forefinger, and proceeds to begin nailing.
If you do that with a brad nailer...well, there are two kinds of
people--those who have had a brad deflect in the work and come out the
side just exactly where your thumb/forefinger is, and those who are
going to.
Consider yourself warned.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
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Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
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If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
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Ignoramus10909 wrote:
> Would be interesting to know what kinds of injuries.
NAIL GUN INJURIES
Number of nail-gun injuries treated in hospital emergency departments,
by body part, United States, 2005.
Consumers
Upper extremities: Includes lower and upper arm, elbow: 1,100
Hands/fingers: 8,900
Lower extremities: Includes ankles, feet and toes, lower and upper leg:
2,300
Other: *
Workers
Upper extremities: Includes lower and upper arm, elbow: 2,200
Hands/fingers: 16,600
Lower extremities: Includes ankles, feet and toes, lower and upper leg:
6,900
Other: 2,800
*Number does not meet minimum surveillance reporting requirements
SOURCE: U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:04:33 -0400, Pat Coghlan <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Doug Brown wrote:
>> don't even go there!
>>
>> I am not sure exactly what the runs are but in Canada all "automatic"
>> weapons are pretty much banned. So, where thec heck does a nail gun with a
>> 100 nail magazine fit in?
>It's not like you can pick one up and start shooting, is it? Don't you
>have to press the tip down on a hard surface for the interlock to disengage?
There are some nailers (my old Bostich T-31 brad nailer and stapler,
my daughter's Porter-Cable US58 stapler, and my Senco SFW08 stapler,
for examples) that don't have an interlock safety tip. With any of the
aforementioned, you can point and shoot without tip contact, albeit
semi-automatically.
Yes, for all the bounce nailers, the safety tip still has to be
engaged to fire, and for all practical purposes it becomes the trigger
(again, semi-automatically).
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:56:41 -0400, Pete Keillor <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:22:24 -0500, Ignoramus10909
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:51:54 -0700, Steve B <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I saw an episode where good citizens go in and do projects for challenged
>>> people. A blind father had two girls, and no wife. The
>>> crew came in and remodeled the girl's room and did some other work.
>>
>>Very nice, though, if he had no wife, why would he be remodeling
>>anything. Usually it is the wives that want to remodel perfectly well
>>functioning rooms.
>>
>>i
>
> Two girls.
>
> A friend of mine once said "If it wasn't for women we'd all still live
> in caves.......................
>
> and be happy!" Then his wife slugged him to prove the point.
Yep. I would never remodel anything (like kitchens etc) unless that
area was unuusable.
i
"Stupendous Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One guy I knew tried shooting a nail into a knot, it deflected and wound
> up in his bicept.
>
> I suppose Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein will be pushing to have nail guns
> outlawed in California.
As they should be, along with caulking guns, staple guns, and Guns n' Roses
and Guns of Navarone. .
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 02:12:02 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>> So lets hope you never speak a quote from Mark Twain, or Shakespear etc.
>
>So, Mark Twain and Shakespear were fictional?
Their works were. Unless you live in the Bay area where Fairies are
commonly encountered.......
Then we have Poor Richards Almanac...and so forth.
>
>>
>> Or the Bible for that matter.
>
>You have a point there.
>
Indeed.
Gunner
>>
>
>
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
"rigger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 13, 8:34 am, Ignoramus10909 <ignoramus10...@NOSPAM.
> 10909.invalid> wrote:
>> On 13 Apr 2007 08:22:34 -0700, Too_Many_Tools <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Do you think that Home Depot should start carrying body armor?
>>
>> > TMT
>>
>> > Nailgun injuries soar among weekend warriors
>>
>> > Take a nation of do-it-yourselfers, add a ready supply of cheap
>> > nailguns and what do you get? About 37,000 nailgun injuries a year,
>> > according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
>>
>> > Since 1991, nailgun injuries have risen about 200 percent, the CDC
>> > said in its weekly report on death and disease.
>>
>> > "This increase likely corresponds to an increase in availability
>> > during the 1990s of inexpensive pneumatic nail guns and air
>> > compressors (to power the nail guns) in home hardware stores; however,
>> > no sales data are available for confirmation," the CDC reported.
>>
>> > But when the CDC looked at who was getting injured, it became clear
>> > that the number of work-related nailgun injuries had stayed stable
>> > since 1998. It was consumer-related injuries that had soared.
>>
>> > "During the 5-year period 2001-2005, an average of approximately
>> > 37,000 patients with injuries related to nail-gun use were treated
>> > annually in emergency departments, with 40 percent of injuries
>> > occurring among consumers," the report read.
>>
>> > Emergency departments treated three times as many consumers with nail-
>> > gun injuries in 2005 as they did in 1991, the report noted.
>>
>> > The CDC said more needs to be done to make consumers aware of the
>> > dangers.
>>
>> Would be interesting to know what kinds of injuries.
>>
>>
>
>> Would be interesting to know what kinds of injuries.<
>
> Hi Iggy,
>
> Punctures mostly, I'd imagine. We had a new employee, putting the
> finishing touches to a crated machine, who managed to staple himself
> to the side of the crate. Just moving too fast for his brain to catch-
> up, I guess. Didn't hit any bone so it turned out ok. Good thing we
> were there though, otherwise I don't know how he would have gotten
> loose.
>
> dennis
> in nca
>
I saw an episode where good citizens go in and do projects for challenged
people. A blind father had two girls, and no wife. The
crew came in and remodeled the girl's room and did some other work.
The blind man wanted to help by doing the nailing. They were skeptical.
..... ahhhh, I don't know ............
Cut to next day. One of the crew had a bandage on his thumb. Seems that he
shot himself in the thumb. The blind guy did use the nailer and had no
problems.
When they asked the crew member about it, he just mumbled something and
moved off. It was funny.
Steve
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:32:23 -0700, "Stupendous Man" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>> A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
>> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
>> cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
>> Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
>
>Great words, but LL is a fictional character created by Robert Heinlein.
>The baby is almost 2 and I still havent had to change a diaper!
>
So lets hope you never speak a quote from Mark Twain, or Shakespear etc.
Or the Bible for that matter.
Gunner
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet,
balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying,
take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations,
analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects. Lazarus Long
"T.Alan Kraus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> caulking guns are next!
ROFL! A caulking gun accident? Now that I'd like to see:
"A 25 year old man in Durham went deaf yesterday afternoon in a tragic
caulking gun accident. The victim accidentally siliconed his ears shut."
Thanks for the laugh.
dwhite
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Do you know how many nails a nail gun holds? It isn't just a nail
> gun...it's an assault weapon.
>
> todd
>
Nope, double action. Assault weapons are capable of full auto.