Read the post here last night and made a special run to HD early this a.m.
The clamps were on the shelf in ample quantities at the regular price. I
left disappointed. On the way home from work, I checked another HD. Same
thing. So this time I asked if they were on clearance. Clerk says he
doesn't know. Nobody told him. But, he did offer to punch one up. Lo and
behold, it came up 40% off. All of them did. I asked if the K-Bessey's
were also on clearance. He said "the what"? I repeated myself. So did he.
So I showed him. Christ, this guy works in the tool crib all day! Anyway,
the K's were regular price. I got a buggy and stocked up on Tradesman's,
including those cool three-way corner clamps of which there was only one.
So, I head back over to the HD from this a.m. At this store, the
Tradesman's are now marked down with yellow stickers. And the shelves are
nearly empty. I did snag one more 36". But, the three-way's were NOT
marked down on the shelf. I grabbed all they had and headed to the
checkout. They rang up correctly and I went home fat and happy.
As I type this, there is a story on the radio news that HD is going to
aggressively pursue "older" people to work in their stores. Why? Because
they want to tap into their knowledge, dedication, hardworking ethic and
passion. A great idea. Unfortunately, they won't get those type of workers
for minimum wage. Knowledge, dedication, hardworking passionate workers
cost more than minimum wage flunkies.
Bob
Don't mean to blow your cool but they pay more than minimum wage for their
most experienced employees. Just so happened I was at HD the other night
soaking up their Bessey clamps clearance sale and I was talking with the
tool crib dude about HD's pay policy he told me that he was 20 year retired
seabea and was getting a starting wage of 13.85/hr and the most highly
experienced advisors specially those working in the kitchen cabinets dept
are getting paid 17.00-18.85/hr and all are getting premium bennies. Not bad
huh!
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 04:55:33 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Unless the older people are like most the older ones at Wal-Mart.
>
I took a financial planning class where the instructor started with
this:
"Those of you in the class who don't think you need to save for
retirement, repeat after me: Welcome to Wal-Mart, can I help you find
anything?"
The first chapter in the class was titled, "Save or Greet".
Barry
In article <[email protected]>, says...
> "Young_carpenter" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > I don't know about now but originally the greeter at Wal-Mart was
> > supposed to be a volunteer who wanted something to do. It fit
> > perfectly with Sams sense of community.
> >
>
> more like Sam's sense of how to maximize his family's profits....
>
Thanks for pointing that out, I was wondering when someone would
question how exactly volunteering one's time to a for-profit corporation
constituted a sense of community. Now, Sam hiring those folks for a
decent wage, allowing them the chance to get out and mingle with people
-- that would constitute a sense of community.
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote:
> I can't even imagine how 40-50-60 year old employees of the BORGs get
> treated by certain customers, 'cause after all, they're flunkies! For
> me, the number of idiots is normally pretty small, at the BORGs, it's
> gotta' be huge.
I don't know about that. When I go into the BORG, if I need help, I try
to find somebody my age or older. The guys in their 60s generally have
a clue and better manners. i don't see them as flunkies, that's a job
description for the 20 y.o. not from this country bunch. The older ones
know the products and how to use them, in general.
Dave in Fairfax
--
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use:
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i love the 90 degree clamps - i own four of them, used them for about
three years now. they are quite useful for constructing cabinets.
for $15, i'd recommend it. but buy in multiples of 2 - i am tempted to
pick up another 4.
--- dz
Peter De Smidt wrote:
> Thanks to whoever first posted the HD sale. I was able to pick up a
> good selection. Regarding the "angle" clamps, the one's that have a
> wedge to hold pieces at 90* angles, how useful are these? My store
> had 4 at $15 a piece. Yes, that's right, I'm a newbie, who's in the
> process of setting up his first table saw.
>
> -Peter De Smidt
I don't know how big your area is But I live in a small town where the Older
people (retirees) spend their time volunteering so that they can see people.
--
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, says...
> > "Young_carpenter" <[email protected]> wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> > > I don't know about now but originally the greeter at Wal-Mart was
> > > supposed to be a volunteer who wanted something to do. It fit
> > > perfectly with Sams sense of community.
> > >
> >
> > more like Sam's sense of how to maximize his family's profits....
> >
>
> Thanks for pointing that out, I was wondering when someone would
> question how exactly volunteering one's time to a for-profit corporation
> constituted a sense of community. Now, Sam hiring those folks for a
> decent wage, allowing them the chance to get out and mingle with people
> -- that would constitute a sense of community.
Damn Dave, all I can say is your side of DC must get better people
than my side. If I could find someone, anyone in the College Park MD
store it would be amazing. But if that did happen the chances of
heving a conversation in English would be even more amazing. Oh well.
My brother actually worked at HD for a few months. He is a carpenter
by trade and blew out his back. He said the CP HD was the worst he had
ever seen. Of course they treated him like crap at his store in Ft
Meyers Fl as well. Didn't pay him near what someone else mentioned
here either. He quit in discust after a few months. Maybe some
managers make use of there employees, I don't know. Here they don't
have a clue and really why would they the regesters are slammed with
people all day without trying.
[email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote:
> > I can't even imagine how 40-50-60 year old employees of the BORGs get
> > treated by certain customers, 'cause after all, they're flunkies! For
> > me, the number of idiots is normally pretty small, at the BORGs, it's
> > gotta' be huge.
>
> I don't know about that. When I go into the BORG, if I need help, I try
> to find somebody my age or older. The guys in their 60s generally have
> a clue and better manners. i don't see them as flunkies, that's a job
> description for the 20 y.o. not from this country bunch. The older ones
> know the products and how to use them, in general.
> Dave in Fairfax
Thanks a bunch Bob!!
I'd just been looking for a decent price on Bessey Tradesman clamps. Today
I swang by HD and checked... The only had a dozen or so left but the guy
looked on the computer at all the local stores and ... well, I went to the
three closest stores and now I guess I need to find something to make with
80 clamps :-)
I'm going to have to look up those articles that say you can never have too
many clamps before my girlfriend sees them. Maybe I'll have to plan a
spiral staircase like on their website, ahh, for the hanger?
The auto-leveling in my little M5 got a workout on this one.
Way cool!
mark
"bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Read the post here last night and made a special run to HD early this a.m.
> The clamps were on the shelf in ample quantities at the regular price. I
> left disappointed. On the way home from work, I checked another HD. Same
> thing. So this time I asked if they were on clearance. Clerk says he
> doesn't know. Nobody told him. But, he did offer to punch one up. Lo
and
> behold, it came up 40% off. All of them did. I asked if the K-Bessey's
> were also on clearance. He said "the what"? I repeated myself. So did
he.
> So I showed him. Christ, this guy works in the tool crib all day!
Anyway,
> the K's were regular price. I got a buggy and stocked up on Tradesman's,
> including those cool three-way corner clamps of which there was only one.
> So, I head back over to the HD from this a.m. At this store, the
> Tradesman's are now marked down with yellow stickers. And the shelves are
> nearly empty. I did snag one more 36". But, the three-way's were NOT
> marked down on the shelf. I grabbed all they had and headed to the
> checkout. They rang up correctly and I went home fat and happy.
>
> As I type this, there is a story on the radio news that HD is going to
> aggressively pursue "older" people to work in their stores. Why? Because
> they want to tap into their knowledge, dedication, hardworking ethic and
> passion. A great idea. Unfortunately, they won't get those type of
workers
> for minimum wage. Knowledge, dedication, hardworking passionate workers
> cost more than minimum wage flunkies.
>
> Bob
>
>
"bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> As I type this, there is a story on the radio news that HD is going to
> aggressively pursue "older" people to work in their stores. Why? Because
> they want to tap into their knowledge, dedication, hardworking ethic and
> passion. A great idea. Unfortunately, they won't get those type of
workers
> for minimum wage. Knowledge, dedication, hardworking passionate workers
> cost more than minimum wage flunkies.
Unless the older people are like most the older ones at Wal-Mart.
What a great deal. The wrkers will berecruited and traned under a $75
million Senior communityservice emplyment program, Guess AARP will use
$100/hr trainers to do this . Dennis Donovan, home depot executive vice
president for human resources, says "We have a need for qualified
employees. We're looking for people who have the experience , the
skills, the knowledge , and the passion.
Just another example of the way big business does things. Let other
people train them, we hire them for little $ s let themthink they will
earn more in a year or so, and move on.
I have no knowlege of the benifits the full time employees earn, but
would like to know how much they pay for health ins for a family.
Oh and Donovan said " we'll put everyone thru gh the same testing we put
all applicants through. We'll always hire the best, and that's what
we're continuing to do"
Well if they have the best now,,,, how come such low pay? And what des
that say about the aarp recruited?
Forgot to read more on this story in the tampa tribune. The program
helps people under 55 and under the povity level get training to update
their skills, redo their resumes, and learn job skills.
This just looks like more of the same
SOP . Can some one tell me how to get to the local Ace hardware?
markm wrote:
> I went to the three closest stores and now I guess I need to
> find something to make with 80 clamps :-)
> I'm going to have to look up those articles that say you can never
> have too many clamps before my girlfriend sees them. Maybe I'll have
> to plan a spiral staircase like on their website, ahh, for the hanger?
> The auto-leveling in my little M5 got a workout on this one.
You'll need more than 80... ;-)
http://plamann.com/sys-tmpl/shop/view.nhtml?profile=shop&UID=10019
-- Mark
Hey Bob. Just because someone make minimum wage does not make them a
"flunky". The amount one gets paid has nothing to do with ones character or
dedication. If we were all making $150,000 per year you would not be able
to afford a hamburger let alone those clamps you just picked up for a steal.
Bill
"bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Read the post here last night and made a special run to HD early this a.m.
> The clamps were on the shelf in ample quantities at the regular price. I
> left disappointed. On the way home from work, I checked another HD. Same
> thing. So this time I asked if they were on clearance. Clerk says he
> doesn't know. Nobody told him. But, he did offer to punch one up. Lo
and
> behold, it came up 40% off. All of them did. I asked if the K-Bessey's
> were also on clearance. He said "the what"? I repeated myself. So did
he.
> So I showed him. Christ, this guy works in the tool crib all day!
Anyway,
> the K's were regular price. I got a buggy and stocked up on Tradesman's,
> including those cool three-way corner clamps of which there was only one.
> So, I head back over to the HD from this a.m. At this store, the
> Tradesman's are now marked down with yellow stickers. And the shelves are
> nearly empty. I did snag one more 36". But, the three-way's were NOT
> marked down on the shelf. I grabbed all they had and headed to the
> checkout. They rang up correctly and I went home fat and happy.
>
> As I type this, there is a story on the radio news that HD is going to
> aggressively pursue "older" people to work in their stores. Why? Because
> they want to tap into their knowledge, dedication, hardworking ethic and
> passion. A great idea. Unfortunately, they won't get those type of
workers
> for minimum wage. Knowledge, dedication, hardworking passionate workers
> cost more than minimum wage flunkies.
>
> Bob
>
>
I don't know about now but originally the greeter at Wal-Mart was supposed
to be a volunteer who wanted something to do. It fit perfectly with Sams
sense of community.
--
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 04:55:33 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >Unless the older people are like most the older ones at Wal-Mart.
> >
>
> I took a financial planning class where the instructor started with
> this:
>
> "Those of you in the class who don't think you need to save for
> retirement, repeat after me: Welcome to Wal-Mart, can I help you find
> anything?"
>
> The first chapter in the class was titled, "Save or Greet".
>
> Barry
always in twos and minimum of 8 is great. Why because you can use them for
boxes and a box has four corners and sometimes you need a top and a bottom.
--
Young Carpenter
"Violin playing and Woodworking are similar, it takes plenty of money,
plenty of practice, and you usually make way more noise than intended"
{Put the fiddler back "on" the roof to reply}
--
"David Zaret" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> i love the 90 degree clamps - i own four of them, used them for about
> three years now. they are quite useful for constructing cabinets.
>
> for $15, i'd recommend it. but buy in multiples of 2 - i am tempted to
> pick up another 4.
>
> --- dz
>
>
> Peter De Smidt wrote:
>
> > Thanks to whoever first posted the HD sale. I was able to pick up a
> > good selection. Regarding the "angle" clamps, the one's that have a
> > wedge to hold pieces at 90* angles, how useful are these? My store
> > had 4 at $15 a piece. Yes, that's right, I'm a newbie, who's in the
> > process of setting up his first table saw.
> >
> > -Peter De Smidt
>
"Young_carpenter" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I don't know about now but originally the greeter at Wal-Mart was
> supposed to be a volunteer who wanted something to do. It fit
> perfectly with Sams sense of community.
>
more like Sam's sense of how to maximize his family's profits....
"Peter De Smidt"
> Thanks to whoever first posted the HD sale.
You know - I looked at these clamps and wasn't thrilled. Seems an okay
deal, but not a really great deal. I think they were a little overpriced to
start with for their quality. For example, where the cast metal contacts
the bar, there is a set screw for reinforcement only on 1 of the 2 contact
points. Most other clamps in this class seem to deal with these cast
material contact points a little better than these clamps do. But - I'm
sure they work and probably won't fall apart real fast.
> Regarding the "angle" clamps, the one's that have a
> wedge to hold pieces at 90* angles, how useful are these?
Now there's a pretty good deal. I have 4 of these things, myself. I can't
see getting 4 more before buying some other stuff, but they work pretty well
for frames.
No K-Body clamps? Why on earth aren't you guys doing a little SPECULATING!?
You see, Home Depot has a 30 day policy - if it goes on sale in 30 days, you
get the sale price refunded.
Think the K-Body clamps will be on sale in 30 days? I notice they had a "do
not replenish" note on the sold-out rack of 24" K-Body clamps this evening.
They may just wait for them to sell out at full price - who knows. Probably
win-win in either case - while the selection is good...
- Nate
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:55:10 -0500, "Young_carpenter"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>I don't know about now but originally the greeter at Wal-Mart was supposed
> >>to be a volunteer who wanted something to do. It fit perfectly with Sams
> >>sense of community.
> >
> >Times change when the leader dies. <G> I wonder what ol' Sam would
> >have thought of the company buying life insurance policies, with the
> >company as the beneficiary, on the greeters, without their knowledge.
> >This practice is both illegal and unethical.
> Actually, it is perfectly legal in many states. Unless I'm getting the
> cases confused, I think the legality of the Walmart insurance purchase
> is being determined by the courts right now based largely on the
> question of what state's laws should apply. Legality and ethicality
> are often not very closely related.
>
> >I also wonder what Sam
> >would have thought of all of the illegally hired to clean the stores.
> More significantly, unless my memory fails me, they were once a big
> "made in the USA" proponent, weren't they?
>
It was one of their ad campaigns. Back when my part of the company
was still part of Texas Instruments, I had a friend in the calculator
division. He indicated that yeah, Walmart had this "made in USA"
campaign, but your price had darn well better be as low as what they
could get it for from a third world country.
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:55:10 -0500, "Young_carpenter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I don't know about now but originally the greeter at Wal-Mart was supposed
>to be a volunteer who wanted something to do. It fit perfectly with Sams
>sense of community.
Times change when the leader dies. <G> I wonder what ol' Sam would
have thought of the company buying life insurance policies, with the
company as the beneficiary, on the greeters, without their knowledge.
This practice is both illegal and unethical. I also wonder what Sam
would have thought of all of the illegally hired to clean the stores.
Witness the extremely aggressive licensing of the Atkins name soon
after Dr. Atkins died.
Barry
<snip>
>>I also wonder what Sam
>>would have thought of all of the illegally hired to clean the stores.
>
> More significantly, unless my memory fails me, they were once a big
> "made in the USA" proponent, weren't they?
My memory is that Walmart has frequently hid behind the flag for
marketing purposes . . . but never really had "made in America" as part
of their business model. I remember in the late 1980's or early 90's
they had a tear jerker ad with eagles flying, flags waving while they
were beating up the textile workers of North Carolina for lower prices,
and soon thereafter, quit using the Carolina textile mills in favor of
less expensive overseas production. IMO, they are truly whores for
price, workers be damned.
But of course, you also argue (quite effectively I think), that Walmart
only responds to the marketplace which demands the lowest possible
price, so we really have only ourselves to blame (I personally refuse to
shop at Walmart).
Rick
Thanks to whoever first posted the HD sale. I was able to pick up a
good selection. Regarding the "angle" clamps, the one's that have a
wedge to hold pieces at 90* angles, how useful are these? My store
had 4 at $15 a piece. Yes, that's right, I'm a newbie, who's in the
process of setting up his first table saw.
-Peter De Smidt
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:26:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote:
>> I can't even imagine how 40-50-60 year old employees of the BORGs get
>> treated by certain customers, 'cause after all, they're flunkies! For
>> me, the number of idiots is normally pretty small, at the BORGs, it's
>> gotta' be huge.
>
>I don't know about that. When I go into the BORG, if I need help, I try
>to find somebody my age or older. The guys in their 60s generally have
>a clue and better manners. i don't see them as flunkies, that's a job
>description for the 20 y.o. not from this country bunch. The older ones
>know the products and how to use them, in general.
>Dave in Fairfax
I'd say that that is sometimes true. I ran into a flagrant exception
recently at the new lowes here in Tucson- a guy in the tool dept at
least 10 years older than me who had no clue. none at all.
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:26:54 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." wrote:
>> I can't even imagine how 40-50-60 year old employees of the BORGs get
>> treated by certain customers, 'cause after all, they're flunkies! For
>> me, the number of idiots is normally pretty small, at the BORGs, it's
>> gotta' be huge.
>
>I don't know about that. When I go into the BORG, if I need help, I try
>to find somebody my age or older. The guys in their 60s generally have
>a clue and better manners.
I don't think of them as flunkies at all. I was being facetious. <G>
Barry
In article <[email protected]>,
"bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Read the post here last night and made a special run to HD early this a.m.
> The clamps were on the shelf in ample quantities at the regular price. I
> left disappointed. On the way home from work, I checked another HD. Same
> thing. So this time I asked if they were on clearance. Clerk says he
> doesn't know. Nobody told him. But, he did offer to punch one up. Lo and
> behold, it came up 40% off. All of them did. I asked if the K-Bessey's
> were also on clearance. He said "the what"? I repeated myself. So did he.
> So I showed him. Christ, this guy works in the tool crib all day! Anyway,
> the K's were regular price. I got a buggy and stocked up on Tradesman's,
> including those cool three-way corner clamps of which there was only one.
> So, I head back over to the HD from this a.m. At this store, the
> Tradesman's are now marked down with yellow stickers. And the shelves are
> nearly empty. I did snag one more 36". But, the three-way's were NOT
> marked down on the shelf. I grabbed all they had and headed to the
> checkout. They rang up correctly and I went home fat and happy.
>
> As I type this, there is a story on the radio news that HD is going to
> aggressively pursue "older" people to work in their stores. Why? Because
> they want to tap into their knowledge, dedication, hardworking ethic and
> passion. A great idea. Unfortunately, they won't get those type of workers
> for minimum wage. Knowledge, dedication, hardworking passionate workers
> cost more than minimum wage flunkies.
>
> Bob
>
>
I'd guess that perhaps as important to the older workers is health
benefits and sick days. Maybe more than salary or hourly wage. OTOH, HD
might find that with the knowledge of the older worker, the average sale
and return sales would be higher per employee which would benefit the
store in the long run in terms of profit.
--
Regards,
Jim Polaski
"The measure of a man is what he will do
knowing he will get nothing in return."
On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:40:36 GMT, "WORSS"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey Bob. Just because someone make minimum wage does not make them a
>"flunky". The amount one gets paid has nothing to do with ones character or
>dedication.
Absolutely!
I work part time in my buddy's bike shop at wages that many people
would consider insulting. I enjoy working there, and often get "fun"
assignments like teaching clinics, working community service events,
like school helmet fittings, and providing mechanical support at
charity functions. I am treated with a great deal of respect by the
guys who own the store and my coworkers there. We ride together and
I count many of them as friends.
I get a kick out of the way some customers treat me. <G> As the
second oldest customer contact person in the shop, I'm often mistaken
as an owner. It's amazing how differently some customers treat a 38
year old who works in a bike shop once they find out he's only a
"flunkie" employee. The customers that act like asses are not
normally the serious cyclists, but the people who are there to buy
their kids a bike, or looking for a rooftop accessory for their
stylish new SUV. I smile, do my best, and suck it up.
I can't even imagine how 40-50-60 year old employees of the BORGs get
treated by certain customers, 'cause after all, they're flunkies! For
me, the number of idiots is normally pretty small, at the BORGs, it's
gotta' be huge.
Barry
B a r r y B u r k e J r . <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:55:10 -0500, "Young_carpenter"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I don't know about now but originally the greeter at Wal-Mart was supposed
>>to be a volunteer who wanted something to do. It fit perfectly with Sams
>>sense of community.
>
>Times change when the leader dies. <G> I wonder what ol' Sam would
>have thought of the company buying life insurance policies, with the
>company as the beneficiary, on the greeters, without their knowledge.
>This practice is both illegal and unethical.
Actually, it is perfectly legal in many states. Unless I'm getting the
cases confused, I think the legality of the Walmart insurance purchase
is being determined by the courts right now based largely on the
question of what state's laws should apply. Legality and ethicality
are often not very closely related.
>I also wonder what Sam
>would have thought of all of the illegally hired to clean the stores.
More significantly, unless my memory fails me, they were once a big
"made in the USA" proponent, weren't they?
>
>Witness the extremely aggressive licensing of the Atkins name soon
>after Dr. Atkins died.
>
>Barry
--
Alex
Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.
Rutrow, better go shopping again :-)
mark
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> markm wrote:
>
> > I went to the three closest stores and now I guess I need to
> > find something to make with 80 clamps :-)
> > I'm going to have to look up those articles that say you can never
> > have too many clamps before my girlfriend sees them. Maybe I'll have
> > to plan a spiral staircase like on their website, ahh, for the hanger?
> > The auto-leveling in my little M5 got a workout on this one.
>
> You'll need more than 80... ;-)
> http://plamann.com/sys-tmpl/shop/view.nhtml?profile=shop&UID=10019
>
> -- Mark
>
>