I am in the final stages of building my kitchen island:
http://tinyurl.com/3djl4yl
That is a Sketchup file...
Anyway, I am doing the front of it today, creating the face frame. I will =
have 4 drawers on top about 3" x 17" each, side by side. Then 2 very large=
drawers below, on on top of the other about 36" by 9". The depth of the i=
nside of the cabinet will be 20 1/2" or 21 3/4" depending on if I use 3/4" =
ply to back up the face frame (don't know if I need to; another question). =
My question is what to do for the drawer slides. I want full extension, p=
referably the "soft closing" type, but I don't want to go broke. =20
This is my first piece of cabinetry, so any advice is appreciated
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:15:40 -0500, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:20:15 -0700 (PDT), jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am in the final stages of building my kitchen island:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/3djl4yl
>>
>>That is a Sketchup file...
>>
>>Anyway, I am doing the front of it today, creating the face frame. I will have 4 drawers on top about 3" x 17" each, side by side. Then 2 very large drawers below, on on top of the other about 36" by 9". The depth of the inside of the cabinet will be 20 1/2" or 21 3/4" depending on if I use 3/4" ply to back up the face frame (don't know if I need to; another question). My question is what to do for the drawer slides. I want full extension, preferably the "soft closing" type, but I don't want to go broke.
>
>How about these, for the top drawers? The sides are a little tall and metal
>might not be what you want but for the price you can throw away the drawer
>sides. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of detail with these.
>
>http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30218
BTW, I checked Amazon. If all you want is the slides, they're the place to go.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000K29K1S/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&s=hi&psc=1
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:20:15 -0700 (PDT), jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am in the final stages of building my kitchen island:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/3djl4yl
>
>That is a Sketchup file...
>
>Anyway, I am doing the front of it today, creating the face frame. I will have 4 drawers on top about 3" x 17" each, side by side. Then 2 very large drawers below, on on top of the other about 36" by 9". The depth of the inside of the cabinet will be 20 1/2" or 21 3/4" depending on if I use 3/4" ply to back up the face frame (don't know if I need to; another question). My question is what to do for the drawer slides. I want full extension, preferably the "soft closing" type, but I don't want to go broke.
How about these, for the top drawers? The sides are a little tall and metal
might not be what you want but for the price you can throw away the drawer
sides. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of detail with these.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30218
>This is my first piece of cabinetry, so any advice is appreciated
Why is the bottom rear rail 1/2", rather than 3/4"? Mistake? Depending on
how you do the panels, I don't think you need the 3/4" ply. If the rails and
styles are structural, 1/4" ply should be enough. If they're just surface
trim, yeah, I like 3/4" ply.
BTW, I like it a lot.
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:59:44 -0700 (PDT), jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
Can you set your line length to 70 or so. Thanks.
>Nice catch on the 1/2", yes it was a mistake. The rails and stiles are all
>birds-eye maple 3/4", backed by maple plywood. The front is the same.
Nice!
>I am using biscuits to join the two stiles to the legs, and pocket joinery for the
>rails. But I may back the rails up with 3/4" ply and then join that to the
>legs with pocket joinery just for strength and to pull it all together.
I don't like biscuits at all. Your fronts have an extra style on the edges.
I'd think that would weaken the joinery. Perhaps a M&T into the legs
directly? If you did that on all four sides you could set 1/4" ply into
rabbits in the frames or make them real panels.
>So you think under mount would be better then side mount?
I don't have a strong preference but side mounts require at least 1/2" between
the drawer and the frame. Undermounts can sorta be hidden in the drawer-
bottom recess. I think I'm going to use them for the router table I'm
building because the 1/2" at the sides is too much.
>What does one usually attach the back of the slides to?
The back. Just like with side-mount slides, there is usually some sort of
adapter for face-frame cabinets.
BTW, I'm not a very experience woodworker either, so temper what I say with
that in mind. ;-)
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:20:15 -0700 (PDT), jtpr <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I am in the final stages of building my kitchen island:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/3djl4yl
>That is a Sketchup file...
v7 won't open those.
>Anyway, I am doing the front of it today, creating the face frame.
>I will have 4 drawers on top about 3" x 17" each, side by side. Then
>2 very large drawers below, on on top of the other about 36" by 9".
>The depth of the inside of the cabinet will be 20 1/2" or 21 3/4"
>depending on if I use 3/4" ply to back up the face frame (don't know
>if I need to; another question). My question is what to do for the
>drawer slides. I want full extension, preferably the "soft closing"
>type, but I don't want to go broke.
My local hardwood dealer has inexpensive imports which are even less
than these, but the KVs are nice: http://goo.gl/66KAX or the 4800RV,
with the "stay closed" feature. Soft-close will double your costs, at
minimum. Oops, found some closeouts, but hurry! Sizes limited:
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/search-mfr-result.php?search_mfr=USF-&psCat=427
>This is my first piece of cabinetry, so any advice is appreciated
Take your time and have fun.
--
If only he'd wash his neck, I'd wring it.
-- John Sparrow
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT), jtpr <[email protected]> wrote:
>Thank you all. This is a v7 version:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/4ywofjj
>
>I am using googles group to post, gave up my old Forte years ago, anyway, there is
>no setting I am aware of for limiting line width.
Other Google Groupies don't have that problem, so it is some setting you have
wrong. Why in the world did you give up Agent for GG?
>The rails on the back and sides are mortise and tenon. But I thought it would
>look weird on the front if I had the rails go all the way over and then all
>these pieces for stiles, so I did the biscuit thing. I'm not a huge fan,
>but I figure I will back it all up with 4 cross pieces of ply behind the
>maple and pocket join and glue those to the legs. I also plan on putting a
>bottom in of either 3/4 ply or MDF to further strengthen it.
It does look a little strange with the front styles missing, but I think I'd
do that anyway. The dresser in the room here has the rails going all the way
to the corner post and it doesn't look bad.
3/4" ply on the bottom is fine, IMO. Nix the MDF. I don't mind MDF, really,
but you have some really nice wood going into this thing. Don't cheapen it.
>Gonna need 3 men and a small boy to move it, but what the hell.
Yup. That's why I suggested making the sides and back into (un)raised panels.
Then use 1/4" ply for the panels. That'll take out a lot of weight and leave
it just as strong.
"jtpr" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I am in the final stages of building my kitchen island:
http://tinyurl.com/3djl4yl
That is a Sketchup file...
Anyway, I am doing the front of it today, creating the face frame. I will
have 4 drawers on top about 3" x 17" each, side by side. Then 2 very large
drawers below, on on top of the other about 36" by 9". The depth of the
inside of the cabinet will be 20 1/2" or 21 3/4" depending on if I use 3/4"
ply to back up the face frame (don't know if I need to; another question).
My question is what to do for the drawer slides. I want full extension,
preferably the "soft closing" type, but I don't want to go broke.
This is my first piece of cabinetry, so any advice is appreciated
I cannot see or view the link.
If you are using a solid wood 3/4" face frame yo need no other front
support.
Typically the undermount soft close drawer slides require the drawer to be a
specific width and DEPTH. The drawer sets on top of the slide and a pin on
the back of the slide hooks in to the back of the drawer. Clearance under
the drawer bottom is also very critical as it must have clearance for the
front latch to be mounted.
For simplicity the KV full extension soft/self close slides are reasonably
priced and mount like most any other side mount full extension slide.
Drawer depth front to back is not critical but normally the drawer must be
1" narrower than the opening.
These are the go to guys on the web for several years:
http://wwhardware.com/catalog.cfm?groupid=Cabinet%20Drawer%20Slides
On 4/17/2011 11:20 AM, jtpr wrote:
> I am in the final stages of building my kitchen island:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3djl4yl
>
> That is a Sketchup file...
>
> Anyway, I am doing the front of it today, creating the face frame. I will have 4 drawers on top about 3" x 17" each, side by side. Then 2 very large drawers below, on on top of the other about 36" by 9". The depth of the inside of the cabinet will be 20 1/2" or 21 3/4" depending on if I use 3/4" ply to back up the face frame (don't know if I need to; another question). My question is what to do for the drawer slides. I want full extension, preferably the "soft closing" type, but I don't want to go broke.
>
> This is my first piece of cabinetry, so any advice is appreciated