I've never owned an airless sprayer and never used one. I did see a
painter shoot his arm full of thinners while cleaning one years ago
and he had to go to the hospital, quickly.
I have to paint the house and the fence this spring and I hate
painting. I thought that the airless would help me get the chore done
faster.
I'm not looking to be a pro painter any time soon and the bulk of this
tools task would be the house and fence. I would also like ot be able
to use it to spray unthinned latex on some cabinet projects.
Since my volume requirements are fairly low, I thought I'd get away
with one of the dumbed down Gracos from the Borg.
I'm looking at:
Magnum X7 for $299.00.
Magnum Pro X7 for $399.00.
Magnum Pro X9 for $649.00
If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Apr 13, 1:58=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0"Robatoy" wrote:
> >I only like the Cayenne S 'cuz that is cute!
>
> Me, I'm a rear wheel drive and metal timing chain kind of guy.
>
> Just a couple of the reasons I like my Tonka Toy.
>
> Lew
Timing belt/chain=3DAudi weakness. In a BIG way. Ask any TT owner.
I am definitely a rear-wheeler myself. For business or for just
running around, I like my GMC Safaris. I have 2, one for nice, one for
not-so-nice.
I could not imagine hauling a garbage trailer full of used countertops
and/or kitchen cabinets with anything front-wheel drive.
One of the guys that works for me drives an Acura sedan....and hauls a
camping trailer with it. We'll see how long that will last.
Tom,
Any of the Gracos with a metal gun will suit you just fine. I own the X7
with a metal gun as well as a top of the line Graco borg model.
After running water through them to clean them out I run a water/auto
coolant mixture through them for storage. I also store the gun in a bucket
of coolant/water mixture.
Have fun,
cm
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've never owned an airless sprayer and never used one. I did see a
> painter shoot his arm full of thinners while cleaning one years ago
> and he had to go to the hospital, quickly.
>
> I have to paint the house and the fence this spring and I hate
> painting. I thought that the airless would help me get the chore done
> faster.
>
> I'm not looking to be a pro painter any time soon and the bulk of this
> tools task would be the house and fence. I would also like ot be able
> to use it to spray unthinned latex on some cabinet projects.
>
> Since my volume requirements are fairly low, I thought I'd get away
> with one of the dumbed down Gracos from the Borg.
>
> I'm looking at:
>
> Magnum X7 for $299.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X7 for $399.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X9 for $649.00
>
> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Apr 12, 4:13=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >I bought an assortment of tips from a Titan dealer who
>
> decided he'd stop dealing with 'professional' painters and to focus
> more on the tofu-sucking/Birckenstock/Tilley/Volvo crowd.
>
> What's your hang up with Tilley?
>
> Just make sure you keep it reefed above 20 knots.
>
> My Tilley is at least 25 years old and is still in good shape, at
> least by my definition.
>
> Lew
That is a comment about the current crop of Tilley buyers...not the
hat itself.
Now a guy wearing Tilley shorts is almost certainly an abrasive
environmentalist with an asshole attitude... one of them global
warmers.
I bought Birkenstocks and a Tilley hat over the years and love the
product(s) That was BEFORE the yuppy idiots took upon it as a 'cool'
item.
I don't LIKE the chai latte crowd. They hijacked Tilley and Birkies
and Volvos....and *wipes tear* they have invaded Audi as well. Same
shit happened to Harley. "Oooooo if I buy one of THOSE, *I* can be
cool too!!"
Nothing is sacred anymore, Lew. That includes your and my Tilley hats.
25 years old, eh? Wow. That must be like an old friend by now, eh? The
only way that could be a better hat, if it had been passed through an
elephant..:-)
I have a pair of Mephisto Shirpa boots and a leather jacket of that
kinda vintage...you couldn't buy those for any price. When my feet get
sore and tired.. I put those boots ON. Who would have thunk the French
knew anything about boots, eh?
On Apr 11, 4:31=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Damn ... Absolutely NOTHING like on-call, "professional", hand's on
> expertise/opinion, eh Tom!. :)
>
> Well done, once again, Robert!
Aw, shucks....
Thanks, Karl.
Robert
On Apr 11, 4:32 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Rob -
>
> This is exactly the kind of report I was looking for.
>
> I have a situation where my vertical height is about 35 feet, so I
> need the extra hose length.
Then the additional hose is a must. I have 50' on both my machines,
and neither have any problems pushing latex the additional 25'. I
have used the X5 with 75' of hose on it, and didn't notice any
problems. (I bought a 50' and just added it to the one on the
machine.)
Most of the time 75' is too much and takes too much material to get to
the gun, less than a quart, but not by much. 50' is just right for
me.
> I'm told by others that the swivel connection is worth the money.
Personally, I will take more hose over a swivel. When the swivels
work, they are great. Sometimes when they get dirty, they quit
swiveling. I have also had them leak. No swivels for me.
> I'm also interested in how it would spray on interior finishes with
> maybe the 015 tip.
Are you talking about the 515 tip? Here's a quick look at tips to
make sure we are using the same nomenclature. The first single digit
number doubled is the fan size, and the second double digit number is
the actual tip size. So a 515 has a 10" fan, and a .015" opening.
The .015" is perfect for latex.
http://www.gleempaint.com/understanding-airless-spray-tips.html
The tips that come with these guns are usually 515s, or 517s, which
mean they have a 10" fan. (See airless tip charts from above).
That's too much fan for a cabinet gun. Great for walls, big doors,
etc., not for cabinets. Way too much overspray, material waste and
too hard to control.
I bought a smaller fan 415 to use with the X5, and it worked <<great>>
on cabinets shooting latex. BUT.... I turned down the amount of paint
coming out of the gun (mine is usually opened up almost all the way)
and thinned the enamel I was shooting by about 5 - 10%, three coats
over bare wood. It left a nice, smooooth finish (Sherwyn Williams top
line enamel), shooting white on bathroom cabinets, trims and doors. I
was surprised, but the thinning improved the finish quite a bit.
If I was spraying smaller stuff, I would get a 315 if I could get my
hands on one. That six inch fan would be worthless outside, but for
smaller cabs and projects I think it would be great.
I have never shot anything else than latex with either of these
systems, so I don't know about other finishes applied with these guns.
> What do you think about the actual gun that comes with the X7? Would
> you update to the two finger model?
To me, the gun on the X7 is fine. I do like it better than the X5's
because the gun is easier to clean. It is supposed to have better
internal components, but personally, I haven't hammered one to pieces
to see if it does, so I don't know. I know in proper application, I
can't tell which "off the gun" finish came from which gun.
As far as changing from one gun to another, I would look at how long I
would be using it, how it felt in my hand, and how easy it is to clean
after a day of work. I think you will find the X7 gun just fine.
> I think I'd go for at least the X7 because of the roll and the
> interface with the five can.
Absolutely. If I were to start from scratch and buy ONE of the two I
have, I would get the X7 and another 25' of hose and get going. The
X5 has been a racehorse and I'll miss her when she's gone, but I won't
miss balancing the machine on something during use, or wiggling things
around to get the last 1/2 gallon of paint out of the bucket.
It is nice to unscrew the bung, put in the siphon tube and start
shooting. Changing from one bucket to the next takes less than 3
minutes.
And silly as it sounds, the rolling feature is great.
One more thing about these units. Don't get rid of the 25' hose.
Both of these guns will shoot just fine out of a one gallon can of
paint. If you have a project just screams to be sprayed instead of
rolled or brushed (a couple of interior doors for example) you can
throw the tube in a gallon and spray in no time. The short hose
doesn't require much material to get paint to the gun.
As far as your comment about "fog", I only worry about that inside.
Outside, use a good tip, maintain the proper distance from the target
(usually 8 - 10") and watch your strokes for overspray/fog. Don't
hold the trigger down too long, shoot only what you are pointing at.
You don't run the gun past the target like you do when finishing
cabinets, etc. to keep the application consistent. The latex is
forgiving enough that on an outside application you just have to get
it on the wall with no sags or drips. But above all << do not thin >>
when shooting paint outside.
If the sprayer won't push out unthinned latex on a 50 degree day or
warmer it is either broken, clogged (hoses/filters) or the tip is no
good. Overspraying (inaccurate paint placement) of thinned paint is
the number one cause of "drift".
> Thanks for the good info. It helps a lot.
Anytime. Glad to be of help!
Robert
On Apr 13, 12:11=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0"Robatoy" wrote:
> >No. There's a 1984 BluBird Wanderlodge I can borrow for that.
>
> A friend just bought a Subaru, of in all places, Crawford, TX, to tow
> behind their motorhome.
>
> >We can rent a LOT of hotel rooms and vacation homes for the price of
>
> an Airstream.
>
> Tell me about it
>
> Sounds like it's SUV time in your world.
>
> Lew
I only like the Cayenne S 'cuz that is cute!
.
.
as if...
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Got of my Harley to go to college, never looked back.
>
> Got off before I went down.
>
> Just plain damn lucky, I guess.
Ditto. Little did they know it, but someone actually did me a favor and
stole my XLS in '82 ... just didn't realize it at the time.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Apr 11, 7:28=A0pm, TD Driver <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I'm stuck with a similar job ... two-story house that needs both siding
> and trim done. =A0Can you control the sprayer adequately to avoid paintin=
g
> over stuff that should remain paint free -- windows. =A0SWMBO would be
> dismayed if I erred thusly. =A0What about wind?
>
> Larry
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > =A0On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
> > Hi, Tom.
>
> > I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
>
> > Much to the chagrin of my fellow professionals, they work extremely
> > well. =A0My little X5 has been a tank (I have had two) and it has
> > painted 4 large houses, two to three coats each. =A0I have used it to
> > paint interiors as well. =A0I leaves a good finish (texture) inside wit=
h
> > the tip that comes with it, and a great finish for outside work.
>
> > I love it, and the reason it is the second one, I liked the first one
> > so much I bought another when it finally crapped out after about 5
> > years of utility use. =A0I bought it as a cheapie airless thinking that
> > I would just use it for decks, fences and stuff, then I started using
> > it on trim areas on houses as well as spraying primer. =A0Then I tried
> > spraying out a whole house with it and it was a real home run.
>
> > The X7 was purchased for two reasons, and at $100 more you might want
> > to consider if the value is there for you on this machine. =A0It handle=
s
> > a bit more GPM out of the gun, so it is a bit faster. =A0It has a bette=
r
> > made gun; the X7's is metal housed not plastic. =A0The X7 rolls, as
> > opposed to carrying the light X5 around. =A0It is easier to get the
> > siphon tube in a 5 gallon bucket as it is at the right height to pull
> > off the bung, and throw the siphon tube in. =A0On my older X5, you have
> > to put the machine up on a couple of bricks to get it to sit
> > perfectly.
>
> > Both machines perform flawlessly. =A0Both machines spray unthinned late=
x
> > paint (Coronado, Behr, Sherwyn Williams, Glidden) with absolutely no
> > problems. =A0Both machines are a snap (I mean really easy) to clean.
> > You can change the gun filters out easily (also available at the Borg)
> > in both guns.
>
> > The key to keeping these machines in top shape is to keep Armor Guard
> > (I think that's it - it's the blue stuff in the bottle sold at the
> > Borg) in the pump/siphon assembly between uses. =A0Anytime the unit is
> > stored for more than two weeks, I pump the Armor Guard through it.
> > The X5 only takes a drink at 1/2 the bottle per treatment so it's
> > cheap insurance.
>
> > If it were me, I would probably buy the X5 and spend the other money
> > on an additional 25 feet of hose for the gun. =A0When spraying a house,
> > that 25 feet isn't much, and if you pull a little hard and tip over
> > the pump and paint, it is disaster.
>
> > I know there have been reports of a bad unit on lower end Gracos from
> > time to time, but HD is great at exchanges. =A0Both my units have been
> > great and I think you will be happy with either machine.
>
> > Robert
Painter's film and masking tape, blue for a preference.
On Apr 11, 5:28=A0pm, TD Driver <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I'm stuck with a similar job ... two-story house that needs both siding
> and trim done. =A0Can you control the sprayer adequately to avoid paintin=
g
> over stuff that should remain paint free -- windows. =A0SWMBO would be
> dismayed if I erred thusly. =A0What about wind?
First, don't spray on a windy day.
I spray exteriors without masking and isn't usually necessary. It
takes too long and requires a lot of effort.
If I spray a difficult shape or I am afraid of overspray, I will cut
in with a brush or roller to the point where I am comfortable shooting
again.
If I am going around square windows, trims, or shooting the fascia to
roofing detail I use a paint shield.
In the area I am shooting, I drape drop cloths or plastic over all
important vegetation, sidewalks, patios, stonework, etc., since the
overspray and drift should fall pretty much straight down.
I have found that clients don't care for speckled plants.
Robert
Thanks again, Rob.
I bought entirely to your recomendations except I got a swivel with
it. If it doesn't work, I'll take it back to the Borg.
Thanks for the detailed reply. It was a big help.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:45:27 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Apr 11, 4:32 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hey Rob -
>>
>> This is exactly the kind of report I was looking for.
>>
>> I have a situation where my vertical height is about 35 feet, so I
>> need the extra hose length.
>
>Then the additional hose is a must. I have 50' on both my machines,
>and neither have any problems pushing latex the additional 25'. I
>have used the X5 with 75' of hose on it, and didn't notice any
>problems. (I bought a 50' and just added it to the one on the
>machine.)
>
>Most of the time 75' is too much and takes too much material to get to
>the gun, less than a quart, but not by much. 50' is just right for
>me.
>
>> I'm told by others that the swivel connection is worth the money.
>
>Personally, I will take more hose over a swivel. When the swivels
>work, they are great. Sometimes when they get dirty, they quit
>swiveling. I have also had them leak. No swivels for me.
>
>> I'm also interested in how it would spray on interior finishes with
>> maybe the 015 tip.
>
>Are you talking about the 515 tip? Here's a quick look at tips to
>make sure we are using the same nomenclature. The first single digit
>number doubled is the fan size, and the second double digit number is
>the actual tip size. So a 515 has a 10" fan, and a .015" opening.
>The .015" is perfect for latex.
>
>http://www.gleempaint.com/understanding-airless-spray-tips.html
>
>The tips that come with these guns are usually 515s, or 517s, which
>mean they have a 10" fan. (See airless tip charts from above).
>That's too much fan for a cabinet gun. Great for walls, big doors,
>etc., not for cabinets. Way too much overspray, material waste and
>too hard to control.
>
>I bought a smaller fan 415 to use with the X5, and it worked <<great>>
>on cabinets shooting latex. BUT.... I turned down the amount of paint
>coming out of the gun (mine is usually opened up almost all the way)
>and thinned the enamel I was shooting by about 5 - 10%, three coats
>over bare wood. It left a nice, smooooth finish (Sherwyn Williams top
>line enamel), shooting white on bathroom cabinets, trims and doors. I
>was surprised, but the thinning improved the finish quite a bit.
>
>If I was spraying smaller stuff, I would get a 315 if I could get my
>hands on one. That six inch fan would be worthless outside, but for
>smaller cabs and projects I think it would be great.
>
>I have never shot anything else than latex with either of these
>systems, so I don't know about other finishes applied with these guns.
>
>> What do you think about the actual gun that comes with the X7? Would
>> you update to the two finger model?
>
>To me, the gun on the X7 is fine. I do like it better than the X5's
>because the gun is easier to clean. It is supposed to have better
>internal components, but personally, I haven't hammered one to pieces
>to see if it does, so I don't know. I know in proper application, I
>can't tell which "off the gun" finish came from which gun.
>
>As far as changing from one gun to another, I would look at how long I
>would be using it, how it felt in my hand, and how easy it is to clean
>after a day of work. I think you will find the X7 gun just fine.
>
>> I think I'd go for at least the X7 because of the roll and the
>> interface with the five can.
>
>Absolutely. If I were to start from scratch and buy ONE of the two I
>have, I would get the X7 and another 25' of hose and get going. The
>X5 has been a racehorse and I'll miss her when she's gone, but I won't
>miss balancing the machine on something during use, or wiggling things
>around to get the last 1/2 gallon of paint out of the bucket.
>
>It is nice to unscrew the bung, put in the siphon tube and start
>shooting. Changing from one bucket to the next takes less than 3
>minutes.
>
>And silly as it sounds, the rolling feature is great.
>
>One more thing about these units. Don't get rid of the 25' hose.
>Both of these guns will shoot just fine out of a one gallon can of
>paint. If you have a project just screams to be sprayed instead of
>rolled or brushed (a couple of interior doors for example) you can
>throw the tube in a gallon and spray in no time. The short hose
>doesn't require much material to get paint to the gun.
>
>As far as your comment about "fog", I only worry about that inside.
>Outside, use a good tip, maintain the proper distance from the target
>(usually 8 - 10") and watch your strokes for overspray/fog. Don't
>hold the trigger down too long, shoot only what you are pointing at.
>You don't run the gun past the target like you do when finishing
>cabinets, etc. to keep the application consistent. The latex is
>forgiving enough that on an outside application you just have to get
>it on the wall with no sags or drips. But above all << do not thin >>
>when shooting paint outside.
>
>If the sprayer won't push out unthinned latex on a 50 degree day or
>warmer it is either broken, clogged (hoses/filters) or the tip is no
>good. Overspraying (inaccurate paint placement) of thinned paint is
>the number one cause of "drift".
>
>> Thanks for the good info. It helps a lot.
>
>Anytime. Glad to be of help!
>
>Robert
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
Hi, Tom.
I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
Much to the chagrin of my fellow professionals, they work extremely
well. My little X5 has been a tank (I have had two) and it has
painted 4 large houses, two to three coats each. I have used it to
paint interiors as well. I leaves a good finish (texture) inside with
the tip that comes with it, and a great finish for outside work.
I love it, and the reason it is the second one, I liked the first one
so much I bought another when it finally crapped out after about 5
years of utility use. I bought it as a cheapie airless thinking that
I would just use it for decks, fences and stuff, then I started using
it on trim areas on houses as well as spraying primer. Then I tried
spraying out a whole house with it and it was a real home run.
The X7 was purchased for two reasons, and at $100 more you might want
to consider if the value is there for you on this machine. It handles
a bit more GPM out of the gun, so it is a bit faster. It has a better
made gun; the X7's is metal housed not plastic. The X7 rolls, as
opposed to carrying the light X5 around. It is easier to get the
siphon tube in a 5 gallon bucket as it is at the right height to pull
off the bung, and throw the siphon tube in. On my older X5, you have
to put the machine up on a couple of bricks to get it to sit
perfectly.
Both machines perform flawlessly. Both machines spray unthinned latex
paint (Coronado, Behr, Sherwyn Williams, Glidden) with absolutely no
problems. Both machines are a snap (I mean really easy) to clean.
You can change the gun filters out easily (also available at the Borg)
in both guns.
The key to keeping these machines in top shape is to keep Armor Guard
(I think that's it - it's the blue stuff in the bottle sold at the
Borg) in the pump/siphon assembly between uses. Anytime the unit is
stored for more than two weeks, I pump the Armor Guard through it.
The X5 only takes a drink at 1/2 the bottle per treatment so it's
cheap insurance.
If it were me, I would probably buy the X5 and spend the other money
on an additional 25 feet of hose for the gun. When spraying a house,
that 25 feet isn't much, and if you pull a little hard and tip over
the pump and paint, it is disaster.
I know there have been reports of a bad unit on lower end Gracos from
time to time, but HD is great at exchanges. Both my units have been
great and I think you will be happy with either machine.
Robert
On Apr 11, 6:17=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
[snipped great advice for brevity's sake]
> =A0Anytime the unit is
> stored for more than two weeks, I pump the Armor Guard through it.
> The X5 only takes a drink at 1/2 the bottle per treatment so it's
> cheap insurance.
>
I started off with a Cambell-Hausfeld unit. A membrane pump and a
decent handle.
I stored it faithfully by pumping a quart of regular Varsol (mineral
thinner) through the unit.
I replaced the handle with a newer, nicer Titan unit and fell in love
all over again. I bought an assortment of tips from a Titan dealer who
decided he'd stop dealing with 'professional' painters and to focus
more on the tofu-sucking/Birckenstock/Tilley/Volvo crowd.
I ended up with a dozen 515 and 520 tips. The 20 worked a little
better with the heavy ceiling stuff.
Then, I developed a problem with the pump.. it became even noisier and
started to surge.
Then I bought a Titan piston pump. I only used it twice. Once to spray
a stalectite/stucco ceiling, and once to the interior of a garage
where my toy sleeps.
The 1-1/2 car garage took 45 minutes to paint EVERYthing.
I find that a solid footing is required when on a ladder as they do
give a bit of a thrusty kick.
I have used the Graco air powered pumps as well and find those just
amazing, but stupid money.
The word around here is Titan.
By cutting in and using a blast shield on a stick (Ends up looking
like a small snow shovel) I find the fan's edge very clear to see.
don't know about the borg gracos,but Sherwin William's has the REAL Gracos
not much more $$ than el-cheapos.Most SW stores have service available too
spray tech makes a good entry level airless too
best to stay away from TITAN,nothing but problems with there little machines
by all means get extra hose and a gun swivel,quick change tips too
.015 tip works best with latex/acrylic (515)
I have sprayed airless for over 30 years ,Graco is the best, but you have to
spend some real money to get there GOOD machines.
see if you can get a machine with a metal gun with internal filter
Always strain your paint before running it through the pump,ladies panty
hose works great
pore paint through panty hose into another pot then put pump into the
stained paint and spray
Edward
"cm" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom,
>
> Any of the Gracos with a metal gun will suit you just fine. I own the X7
> with a metal gun as well as a top of the line Graco borg model.
>
> After running water through them to clean them out I run a water/auto
> coolant mixture through them for storage. I also store the gun in a bucket
> of coolant/water mixture.
>
> Have fun,
>
> cm
> "Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I've never owned an airless sprayer and never used one. I did see a
>> painter shoot his arm full of thinners while cleaning one years ago
>> and he had to go to the hospital, quickly.
>>
>> I have to paint the house and the fence this spring and I hate
>> painting. I thought that the airless would help me get the chore done
>> faster.
>>
>> I'm not looking to be a pro painter any time soon and the bulk of this
>> tools task would be the house and fence. I would also like ot be able
>> to use it to spray unthinned latex on some cabinet projects.
>>
>> Since my volume requirements are fairly low, I thought I'd get away
>> with one of the dumbed down Gracos from the Borg.
>>
>> I'm looking at:
>>
>> Magnum X7 for $299.00.
>>
>> Magnum Pro X7 for $399.00.
>>
>> Magnum Pro X9 for $649.00
>>
>> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom Watson
>> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
>
>
"Robatoy" wrote:
>I bought an assortment of tips from a Titan dealer who
decided he'd stop dealing with 'professional' painters and to focus
more on the tofu-sucking/Birckenstock/Tilley/Volvo crowd.
What's your hang up with Tilley?
Just make sure you keep it reefed above 20 knots.
My Tilley is at least 25 years old and is still in good shape, at
least by my definition.
Lew
"Robatoy" wrote:
>No. There's a 1984 BluBird Wanderlodge I can borrow for that.
A friend just bought a Subaru, of in all places, Crawford, TX, to tow
behind their motorhome.
>We can rent a LOT of hotel rooms and vacation homes for the price of
an Airstream.
Tell me about it
Sounds like it's SUV time in your world.
Lew
I'm stuck with a similar job ... two-story house that needs both siding
and trim done. Can you control the sprayer adequately to avoid painting
over stuff that should remain paint free -- windows. SWMBO would be
dismayed if I erred thusly. What about wind?
Larry
[email protected] wrote:
> On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
> Hi, Tom.
>
> I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
>
> Much to the chagrin of my fellow professionals, they work extremely
> well. My little X5 has been a tank (I have had two) and it has
> painted 4 large houses, two to three coats each. I have used it to
> paint interiors as well. I leaves a good finish (texture) inside with
> the tip that comes with it, and a great finish for outside work.
>
> I love it, and the reason it is the second one, I liked the first one
> so much I bought another when it finally crapped out after about 5
> years of utility use. I bought it as a cheapie airless thinking that
> I would just use it for decks, fences and stuff, then I started using
> it on trim areas on houses as well as spraying primer. Then I tried
> spraying out a whole house with it and it was a real home run.
>
> The X7 was purchased for two reasons, and at $100 more you might want
> to consider if the value is there for you on this machine. It handles
> a bit more GPM out of the gun, so it is a bit faster. It has a better
> made gun; the X7's is metal housed not plastic. The X7 rolls, as
> opposed to carrying the light X5 around. It is easier to get the
> siphon tube in a 5 gallon bucket as it is at the right height to pull
> off the bung, and throw the siphon tube in. On my older X5, you have
> to put the machine up on a couple of bricks to get it to sit
> perfectly.
>
> Both machines perform flawlessly. Both machines spray unthinned latex
> paint (Coronado, Behr, Sherwyn Williams, Glidden) with absolutely no
> problems. Both machines are a snap (I mean really easy) to clean.
> You can change the gun filters out easily (also available at the Borg)
> in both guns.
>
> The key to keeping these machines in top shape is to keep Armor Guard
> (I think that's it - it's the blue stuff in the bottle sold at the
> Borg) in the pump/siphon assembly between uses. Anytime the unit is
> stored for more than two weeks, I pump the Armor Guard through it.
> The X5 only takes a drink at 1/2 the bottle per treatment so it's
> cheap insurance.
>
> If it were me, I would probably buy the X5 and spend the other money
> on an additional 25 feet of hose for the gun. When spraying a house,
> that 25 feet isn't much, and if you pull a little hard and tip over
> the pump and paint, it is disaster.
>
> I know there have been reports of a bad unit on lower end Gracos from
> time to time, but HD is great at exchanges. Both my units have been
> great and I think you will be happy with either machine.
>
> Robert
>
>
Tom,
50' of hose is almost a must. I have painted about 6 homes per year for the
last 20 years and have never had a swivel.
I did buy a 4' tip extension wand for $75.00 It is well worth it. Keeps you
off the ladder, you don't have to bend over as much, nor stretch as much,
plus you are further from the spray tip so you get less paint on yourself.
Happy Easter,
cm
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've never owned an airless sprayer and never used one. I did see a
> painter shoot his arm full of thinners while cleaning one years ago
> and he had to go to the hospital, quickly.
>
> I have to paint the house and the fence this spring and I hate
> painting. I thought that the airless would help me get the chore done
> faster.
>
> I'm not looking to be a pro painter any time soon and the bulk of this
> tools task would be the house and fence. I would also like ot be able
> to use it to spray unthinned latex on some cabinet projects.
>
> Since my volume requirements are fairly low, I thought I'd get away
> with one of the dumbed down Gracos from the Borg.
>
> I'm looking at:
>
> Magnum X7 for $299.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X7 for $399.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X9 for $649.00
>
> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Apr 12, 5:09=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I don't LIKE the chai latte crowd.
>
> Maybe when they grow up, they will be more likeable.
>
> >...and *wipes tear* they have invaded Audi as well.
>
> Very under impressed with Audi.
>
Audis are funny beasts. Today's Audis are over'tech'ed. Too much
electronic craziness going on.
They still make one of the nicest V-10's in the business as
demonstrated in the Lamborghinis that use them. Very powerful and dead-
nuts reliable. Unfortunately, they stopped being fun when they went
from their twin turbo V-6 to that 4.2 litre V-8 in the S4 versions of
their 'regular' cars. A guy can work on that V-6, but that new stuff
requires way too much money and learning curve to a do-it-yourselfer.
That would leave me at the mercy of one of two dealers, one that has a
good mechanic but charges waaaay too much or the other guy who has a
decent knowledge but never give you all the power the engines are
capable of. You don't spend that kind of money for 'close enough'.
Angela and I are looking for something new and Audi is not on that
list.
Here I am limited to the dealers that can look after my stuff. The
guys at Hyundai, Subaru, Volvo, GMC/Pontiac/Buick and the Toyota
dealer are justabout it. Ford, about 1/2 hour from here is supposedly
pretty good.
The Honda, Mazda, Chevy-Caddillac dealers in this burg suck canal
water.
>
> >Who would have thunk the French
>
> knew anything about boots, eh?
>
> It has been my experience that given a chance, they would screw up a
> wet dream.
LOL
The way the job is staged I will need the unit for enough days that it
makes more sense to buy.
Added to that, I do not currently own a unit that will spray unthinned
latex and that would be a continuing, albeit intermittent, use.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:46:55 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>>
>
>Why not just rent one.
>
>nb
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Apr 12, 11:13=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0"Robatoy" wrote:
> >We want something for highway cruising with a bit of a payload. I
> >wish
>
> I could buy a brand new 1986 Olds Vista Cruiser wagon.
>
> Payload as in: 5th wheel, Winnebago, Airstream?
>
> Lew
No. There's a 1984 BluBird Wanderlodge I can borrow for that.
We can rent a LOT of hotel rooms and vacation homes for the price of
an Airstream.
On Apr 13, 1:24=A0pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks again, Rob.
>
> I bought entirely to your recomendations except I got a swivel with
> it. =A0If it doesn't work, I'll take it back to the Borg.
>
> Thanks for the detailed reply. =A0It was a big help.
Thanks, Tom - anytime. I was glad to help. I hope you post how the
machine works out for you.
Robert
On Apr 12, 8:00=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> >Audis are funny beasts. Today's Audis are over'tech'ed.
>
> 20 years ago the 5000 was a disaster that it took Ed Bradley & 60
> minutes investigating to reveal.
>
> Audi hasn't been the same since.
>
> >A guy can work on that V-6, but that new stuff
>
> requires way too much money and learning curve to a do-it-yourselfer.
>
> Given a choice, I'd rather wear a hair shirt than work on a car/truck.
>
> OTOH, boats are different<grin>.
>
> >Angela and I are looking for something new and Audi is not on that
>
> list.
>
> What Pick-em-up trucks are you considering?<grin>
>
> >Here I am limited to the dealers that can look after my stuff.
>
> I'm lucky to have found a couple of independants that put up with my
> Tonka Toy.
>
> Lew
We want something for highway cruising with a bit of a payload. I wish
I could buy a brand new 1986 Olds Vista Cruiser wagon.
Hey Rob -
This is exactly the kind of report I was looking for.
I have a situation where my vertical height is about 35 feet, so I
need the extra hose length.
I'm told by others that the swivel connection is worth the money.
I'm also interested in how it would spray on interior finishes with
maybe the 015 tip.
What do you think about the actual gun that comes with the X7? Would
you update to the two finger model?
I think I'd go for at least the X7 because of the roll and the
interface with the five can.
Thanks for the good info. It helps a lot.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
>Hi, Tom.
>
>I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
>
>Much to the chagrin of my fellow professionals, they work extremely
>well. My little X5 has been a tank (I have had two) and it has
>painted 4 large houses, two to three coats each. I have used it to
>paint interiors as well. I leaves a good finish (texture) inside with
>the tip that comes with it, and a great finish for outside work.
>
>I love it, and the reason it is the second one, I liked the first one
>so much I bought another when it finally crapped out after about 5
>years of utility use. I bought it as a cheapie airless thinking that
>I would just use it for decks, fences and stuff, then I started using
>it on trim areas on houses as well as spraying primer. Then I tried
>spraying out a whole house with it and it was a real home run.
>
>The X7 was purchased for two reasons, and at $100 more you might want
>to consider if the value is there for you on this machine. It handles
>a bit more GPM out of the gun, so it is a bit faster. It has a better
>made gun; the X7's is metal housed not plastic. The X7 rolls, as
>opposed to carrying the light X5 around. It is easier to get the
>siphon tube in a 5 gallon bucket as it is at the right height to pull
>off the bung, and throw the siphon tube in. On my older X5, you have
>to put the machine up on a couple of bricks to get it to sit
>perfectly.
>
>Both machines perform flawlessly. Both machines spray unthinned latex
>paint (Coronado, Behr, Sherwyn Williams, Glidden) with absolutely no
>problems. Both machines are a snap (I mean really easy) to clean.
>You can change the gun filters out easily (also available at the Borg)
>in both guns.
>
>The key to keeping these machines in top shape is to keep Armor Guard
>(I think that's it - it's the blue stuff in the bottle sold at the
>Borg) in the pump/siphon assembly between uses. Anytime the unit is
>stored for more than two weeks, I pump the Armor Guard through it.
>The X5 only takes a drink at 1/2 the bottle per treatment so it's
>cheap insurance.
>
>If it were me, I would probably buy the X5 and spend the other money
>on an additional 25 feet of hose for the gun. When spraying a house,
>that 25 feet isn't much, and if you pull a little hard and tip over
>the pump and paint, it is disaster.
>
>I know there have been reports of a bad unit on lower end Gracos from
>time to time, but HD is great at exchanges. Both my units have been
>great and I think you will be happy with either machine.
>
>Robert
>
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Tom Watson wrote:
> I've never owned an airless sprayer and never used one. I did see a
> painter shoot his arm full of thinners while cleaning one years ago
> and he had to go to the hospital, quickly.
>
> I have to paint the house and the fence this spring and I hate
> painting. I thought that the airless would help me get the chore done
> faster.
>
> I'm not looking to be a pro painter any time soon and the bulk of this
> tools task would be the house and fence. I would also like ot be able
> to use it to spray unthinned latex on some cabinet projects.
>
> Since my volume requirements are fairly low, I thought I'd get away
> with one of the dumbed down Gracos from the Borg.
>
> I'm looking at:
>
> Magnum X7 for $299.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X7 for $399.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X9 for $649.00
>
> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
I use one about 6-8 times a year and I rent it from HD. Their units cost in
the range of 1600.00 Work great and no thinning of 5 gallon pals. Rent for
80.00 a day. Last job painted 3 bedrooms, long hallway, walk in closet and
2 normal closets 2 bathrooms and ceilings for all in 5 hours. Just need to
run water through the hoses and gun to clean. Its the only way to paint.
Not sure how well they work on small projects like furniture. I use a HVLP
gun for those. You can paint a average house in a day as long as you setup
right. I always work away from the sun.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/
TD Driver wrote:
> I'm stuck with a similar job ... two-story house that needs both siding
> and trim done. Can you control the sprayer adequately to avoid painting
> over stuff that should remain paint free -- windows. SWMBO would be
> dismayed if I erred thusly. What about wind?
>
> Larry
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Hi, Tom.
>>
>> I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
>>
>> Much to the chagrin of my fellow professionals, they work extremely
>> well. My little X5 has been a tank (I have had two) and it has
>> painted 4 large houses, two to three coats each. I have used it to
>> paint interiors as well. I leaves a good finish (texture) inside with
>> the tip that comes with it, and a great finish for outside work.
>>
>> I love it, and the reason it is the second one, I liked the first one
>> so much I bought another when it finally crapped out after about 5
>> years of utility use. I bought it as a cheapie airless thinking that
>> I would just use it for decks, fences and stuff, then I started using
>> it on trim areas on houses as well as spraying primer. Then I tried
>> spraying out a whole house with it and it was a real home run.
>>
>> The X7 was purchased for two reasons, and at $100 more you might want
>> to consider if the value is there for you on this machine. It handles
>> a bit more GPM out of the gun, so it is a bit faster. It has a better
>> made gun; the X7's is metal housed not plastic. The X7 rolls, as
>> opposed to carrying the light X5 around. It is easier to get the
>> siphon tube in a 5 gallon bucket as it is at the right height to pull
>> off the bung, and throw the siphon tube in. On my older X5, you have
>> to put the machine up on a couple of bricks to get it to sit
>> perfectly.
>>
>> Both machines perform flawlessly. Both machines spray unthinned latex
>> paint (Coronado, Behr, Sherwyn Williams, Glidden) with absolutely no
>> problems. Both machines are a snap (I mean really easy) to clean.
>> You can change the gun filters out easily (also available at the Borg)
>> in both guns.
>>
>> The key to keeping these machines in top shape is to keep Armor Guard
>> (I think that's it - it's the blue stuff in the bottle sold at the
>> Borg) in the pump/siphon assembly between uses. Anytime the unit is
>> stored for more than two weeks, I pump the Armor Guard through it.
>> The X5 only takes a drink at 1/2 the bottle per treatment so it's
>> cheap insurance.
>>
>> If it were me, I would probably buy the X5 and spend the other money
>> on an additional 25 feet of hose for the gun. When spraying a house,
>> that 25 feet isn't much, and if you pull a little hard and tip over
>> the pump and paint, it is disaster.
>>
>> I know there have been reports of a bad unit on lower end Gracos from
>> time to time, but HD is great at exchanges. Both my units have been
>> great and I think you will be happy with either machine.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
They take a little getting use to but I'd still mask. Wind has a way of
carrying lots of things further then you wanted it. Mask trim and windows.
It usually takes me longer to mask then the actual painting..
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but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Website Address http://rentmyhusband.biz/
[email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
: On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
:>
:> > If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
: Hi, Tom.
: I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
: Much to the chagrin of my fellow professionals, they work extremely
: well.
Second the recommendation. I have an older X5 (bought it in 2003), and
it's worked flawlessly. I painted the interior of a house in 2003,
n five different colors, and the exterior of the house this past winter.
Fast, flows well, easy to use, well worth the money.
Painting goes *fast* with one of these.
-- Andy Barss
"Robatoy" wrote:
>Audis are funny beasts. Today's Audis are over'tech'ed.
20 years ago the 5000 was a disaster that it took Ed Bradley & 60
minutes investigating to reveal.
Audi hasn't been the same since.
>A guy can work on that V-6, but that new stuff
requires way too much money and learning curve to a do-it-yourselfer.
Given a choice, I'd rather wear a hair shirt than work on a car/truck.
OTOH, boats are different<grin>.
>Angela and I are looking for something new and Audi is not on that
list.
What Pick-em-up trucks are you considering?<grin>
>Here I am limited to the dealers that can look after my stuff.
I'm lucky to have found a couple of independants that put up with my
Tonka Toy.
Lew
I have no experience with the Borg grade units. I have Graco and
consider them top of the line, thought there are other makers.
Make sure you get a spare handle filter and spend the money on a
few sizes of Reverse- a-tips. For the house, get an extension
wand to reduce the ladder climbing. More hose saves moving
everything, but does require more cleaning. Mask, protect, shield
before rather than cry, scrape, and scrub after.
As you already noted, they are capable of injecting paint or
thinner into you.
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[email protected]
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've never owned an airless sprayer and never used one. I did
> see a
> painter shoot his arm full of thinners while cleaning one years
> ago
> and he had to go to the hospital, quickly.
>
> I have to paint the house and the fence this spring and I hate
> painting. I thought that the airless would help me get the
> chore done
> faster.
>
> I'm not looking to be a pro painter any time soon and the bulk
> of this
> tools task would be the house and fence. I would also like ot
> be able
> to use it to spray unthinned latex on some cabinet projects.
>
> Since my volume requirements are fairly low, I thought I'd get
> away
> with one of the dumbed down Gracos from the Borg.
>
> I'm looking at:
>
> Magnum X7 for $299.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X7 for $399.00.
>
> Magnum Pro X9 for $649.00
>
> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Watson
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Yeah Man!
This is one of the best things about the Wreck. You know the guys who
are putting out the opinion and you have a certain amount of faith in
it.
I have a tight situation where I'll be spraying on the exterior. I've
seen gthe fog in houses that have been done using the airless. I
wonder about drift and stick onto the neighbors and road while i'm
spraying the latex.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:31:11 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Hi, Tom.
>>
>> I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
>
>> I know there have been reports of a bad unit on lower end Gracos from
>> time to time, but HD is great at exchanges. Both my units have been
>> great and I think you will be happy with either machine.
>>
>> Robert
>
>Damn ... Absolutely NOTHING like on-call, "professional", hand's on
>expertise/opinion, eh Tom!. :)
>
>Well done, once again, Robert!
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
Why not just rent one.
nb
"Robatoy" wrote:
>That is a comment about the current crop of Tilley buyers...not the
hat itself.
Understand.
>Now a guy wearing Tilley shorts is almost certainly an abrasive
environmentalist with an asshole attitude... one of them global
warmers.
Shorts? SHORTS! Jockey makes my SHORTS, not Tilley.
Want to hike?
That's why blue jeans exist.
>I bought Birkenstocks and a Tilley hat over the years and love the
product(s) That was BEFORE the yuppy idiots took upon it as a 'cool'
item.
I wear what is in style.
If you are not wearing what I wear, YOU are out of style.
F**K the fashion police.
>I don't LIKE the chai latte crowd.
Maybe when they grow up, they will be more likeable.
>...and *wipes tear* they have invaded Audi as well.
Very under impressed with Audi.
>Same
shit happened to Harley. "Oooooo if I buy one of THOSE, *I* can be
cool too!!"
Got of my Harley to go to college, never looked back.
Got off before I went down.
Just plain damn lucky, I guess.
>25 years old, eh? Wow. That must be like an old friend by now, eh?
Stays on the top shelf of the closet, ready to go..
>Who would have thunk the French
knew anything about boots, eh?
It has been my experience that given a chance, they would screw up a
wet dream.
Lew
[email protected] wrote:
> On 2009-04-11, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> If anyone can give me guidance on this, I would appreciate it.
>
> Hi, Tom.
>
> I have had both the X5 ($299) and the X& ($399).
> I know there have been reports of a bad unit on lower end Gracos from
> time to time, but HD is great at exchanges. Both my units have been
> great and I think you will be happy with either machine.
>
> Robert
Damn ... Absolutely NOTHING like on-call, "professional", hand's on
expertise/opinion, eh Tom!. :)
Well done, once again, Robert!
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