Recent talk about moving from the Ryobi Ni-Cads had me check out Home
Depot.
They are running a couple of specials pre-Father's Day.
1st deal: $99 combo which includes 2 18v 1.3AH Li-Ion batteries, dual
chemistry charger (Li-Ion and Ni-Cad) and two tools, your choice of
A, 1/2" drill and 1/4" impact driver
B. Reciprocating saw and 3/8" drill
C. Circular saw and 3/8" drill
I really only wanted the batteries and charger but figured by the time I
spent $130 for the big batteries and standalone charger, I might just as
well grab two tools and two of the smaller batteries for an additional
$70. Now we have a nice cordless reciprocating saw that either of us
can use for yard work, etc. Seems fairly sturdy so..
Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on sale in
a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half price on the
individual batteries.
If you have the original blue Ryobi tools and are looking to upgrade
your power supply, now's the time to jump. I've never had a complaint
with the tools themselves but the NiCad packs, being NiCads, are a piss
poor PITA
On 5/15/2014 8:14 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Morgans wrote:
>> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on
>>> sale in a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half
>>> price on the individual batteries.
>>
>> You will find that the small batteries are only for very light duty
>> jobs. They simply don't push enough amps, and don't last very long,
>> too.
>> Seriously, invest in the big ones. You will be much happier.
>
> Echo that.
The smaller batteries are likely just about the same as the old NiCads
from the blue series.
No matter, they will prove sufficient for accessories like the drill,
vacuum, light, etc. And I did buy the big brutes. I needed the charger
to go with them which is why I wound up spending another $70 to pick up
the charger and the reciprocating saw and two batteries.
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
>
> You will find that the small batteries are only for very light duty
> jobs. They simply don't push enough amps, and don't last very long,
> too.
>
> Seriously, invest in the big ones. You will be much happier.
I invested in some bigger batteries for my Makita tools. I was afraid the
big batteries would throw off the balance of the drill & driver, but they
don't. The only difference is a little more weight and that's it.
Puckdropper
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On 5/15/2014 10:36 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 5/15/2014 10:30 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>
>> The smaller batteries are likely just about the same as the old NiCads
>> from the blue series.
>>
>> No matter, they will prove sufficient for accessories like the drill,
>> vacuum, light, etc. And I did buy the big brutes. I needed the charger
>> to go with them which is why I wound up spending another $70 to pick up
>> the charger and the reciprocating saw and two batteries.
>>
> Not quite. They are certainly less amps then the big battery, but they
> don't require charging like the nicads. They can sit for months and
> still hold their charge. Which is why I spent the $69.. seemed like a no
> loss situation.
Actually, from what I can find in limited research (Home Depot/Ryobi
make capacity a secret for the most part), their "big" old 18v Ni-Cad
(P109) packs were either 1.5AH or 1.7AH.
The "skimpy" Li-Ion packs coming with the combo (P102) are 1.2AH or only
~71% of the capacity of the larger Ni-Cad. However, and anyone who's
made the switch to Li-Ion knows... capacity is only part of the story.
I've been using Bosch Li-Ion tools for a couple of years now and the
smallest Li-Ion battery they make is better (quicker charging, better
power, lighter weight, long term storage) that the heftiest Ni-Cad pack
from ANY manufacturer that I've found.
> My little Hitachi impact driver is so cool, light and powerful, I would
> use it for driving. For heavy drilling the Ryobi, but for everyday
> drilling the small hitachi. After 3 or 4 years.. can't remember, would
> have to look, my Hitachi batteries are still good, but I know the day is
> coming that they will need replacement.
I watched the sales at Menard's and CPO for some of their great deals on
Bosch. On two occasions I bought their combos more for the batteries
than the tool itself. Menard's was blowing stuff out with two
batteries, charger and tool for about the price of a replacement battery
alone. Those were true "You suck!" moments when I scored those.
(Actually, SWMBO spotted them in the ad and brought it to my attention<g>)
On 5/15/2014 8:25 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Recent talk about moving from the Ryobi Ni-Cads had me check out Home
> Depot.
>
> They are running a couple of specials pre-Father's Day.
>
> 1st deal: $99 combo which includes 2 18v 1.3AH Li-Ion batteries, dual
> chemistry charger (Li-Ion and Ni-Cad) and two tools, your choice of
>
> A, 1/2" drill and 1/4" impact driver
>
> B. Reciprocating saw and 3/8" drill
>
> C. Circular saw and 3/8" drill
>
> I really only wanted the batteries and charger but figured by the time I
> spent $130 for the big batteries and standalone charger, I might just as
> well grab two tools and two of the smaller batteries for an additional
> $70. Now we have a nice cordless reciprocating saw that either of us
> can use for yard work, etc. Seems fairly sturdy so..
>
> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on sale in
> a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half price on the
> individual batteries.
>
> If you have the original blue Ryobi tools and are looking to upgrade
> your power supply, now's the time to jump. I've never had a complaint
> with the tools themselves but the NiCad packs, being NiCads, are a piss
> poor PITA
That is a good deal for the drill/impact.
I have seen a lot of contractors using them, mainly because they are
cheap, the batteries are cheap, and if they walk they are cheap.
A few said they were impressed with them. They just got tired of Dewalts
battery pricing and the short longevity forthe Nicads.
I bought the drill for 69 w/2 batteries. For that price I could not go
wrong.
I still use my hitachi's though mostly. I don't need the big 18v most of
the time.
--
Jeff
"Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote
> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on sale in a
> special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half price on the
> individual batteries.
You will find that the small batteries are only for very light duty jobs.
They simply don't push enough amps, and don't last very long, too.
Seriously, invest in the big ones. You will be much happier.
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Morgans wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on
>> sale in a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half
>> price on the individual batteries.
>
> You will find that the small batteries are only for very light duty
> jobs. They simply don't push enough amps, and don't last very long,
> too.
> Seriously, invest in the big ones. You will be much happier.
Echo that.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 5/15/2014 8:25 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on sale in
> a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half price on the
> individual batteries.
>
> If you have the original blue Ryobi tools and are looking to upgrade
> your power supply, now's the time to jump.
They had the same deal at Christmastime and I bought the two 4ah
batteries. I'm still on the first charge. I've used them intermittently,
but even if they had just sat on a shelf that's not bad.
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"Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Recent talk about moving from the Ryobi Ni-Cads had me check out Home
> Depot.
>
Too bad. I gave my Ryobi set of cordless tools away a few years ago,
because the batteries (even new replacements) sucked excrement though a
cocktail saw, and went back to all Milwaukee cordless stuff. I'll pass your
message on to the guy I gave them to though.
On 5/15/2014 11:36 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 5/15/2014 10:30 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>> On 5/15/2014 8:14 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Morgans wrote:
>>>> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on
>>>>> sale in a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half
>>>>> price on the individual batteries.
>>>>
>>>> You will find that the small batteries are only for very light duty
>>>> jobs. They simply don't push enough amps, and don't last very long,
>>>> too.
>>>> Seriously, invest in the big ones. You will be much happier.
>>>
>>> Echo that.
>>
>>
>> The smaller batteries are likely just about the same as the old NiCads
>> from the blue series.
>>
>> No matter, they will prove sufficient for accessories like the drill,
>> vacuum, light, etc. And I did buy the big brutes. I needed the charger
>> to go with them which is why I wound up spending another $70 to pick up
>> the charger and the reciprocating saw and two batteries.
>>
> Not quite. They are certainly less amps then the big battery, but they
> don't require charging like the nicads. They can sit for months and
> still hold their charge. Which is why I spent the $69.. seemed like a no
> loss situation.
>
> I originally wanted the heavier battery, but am happy with the small
> one. It's light enough and gets the work done.
>
> My little Hitachi impact driver is so cool, light and powerful, I would
> use it for driving. For heavy drilling the Ryobi, but for everyday
> drilling the small hitachi. After 3 or 4 years.. can't remember, would
> have to look, my Hitachi batteries are still good, but I know the day is
> coming that they will need replacement.
I do nearly the same. Often you use a drill up or overhead, and the
smaller drill is less tiring. My blue Ryobi died and I switched to the
green one, the small batteries are fine for the drill, and a number of
other tools. I have a pair of the small and a pair of the large that
stay in use.
>
> I looked at the Milwakee brushless, but I could not control that thing.
> It just snapped the heads or cammed out every screw at HD on their demo
> rack.. Too much torque too quick. I would like a more gradual ramp up,
> the trigger was too sensitive and the clutch didn't have a low enough
> setting ... Might be good for heavy work, but for light work, it would
> just eat it up, and spit it out.
Ouch.
The green, and probably the blue ryobi has a nice spread on the hi/low
switch. It runs both faster and slower than my small Hitachi, sometimes
that is needed.
>
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On 5/16/2014 2:29 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Recent talk about moving from the Ryobi Ni-Cads had me check out Home
>> Depot.
>>
>
> Too bad. I gave my Ryobi set of cordless tools away a few years ago,
> because the batteries (even new replacements) sucked excrement though a
> cocktail saw, and went back to all Milwaukee cordless stuff. I'll pass
> your message on to the guy I gave them to though.
>
My first cordless was a Ryobi 12V. I'd have bought it 16 years ago. It
was nicely balanced, drove screws well and the batteries lasted a long
time. So long in fact that I pretty much stopped using corded drills
(except for hammer-drill work).
When the batteries for that drill finally died I bought an 18v. The 12v
batteries for my old drill were no longer made; Ryobi had changed their
12v drill design. I had been very happy with the 12v and expected
similar - in fact improved - performance. I picked up a circular saw and
a recip saw used that would use the same batteries.
The new drill was heavier and somewhat more powerful, as expected. But
the batteries (NiCads) didn't seem to hold a charge for as long. I
didn't do a scientific study, but it seems to me that the subsequent
NiCads I bought as replacements had even shorter lives. I'd have to make
sure I charged them in the middle of the week if I had a project coming
up on the weekend. And I pretty much never used the cordless saws.
The point of this is that apparently not all NiCad cells are of equal
quality.
One "plus" was that I acquired three "blue" drills in the course of
buying replacement batteries. I'd get them when the drills were on a
ridiculous sale; pretty much the same price as the batteries alone.
I now have three Li-Ion batteries, two of the 4AH and one smaller one. I
have to say that these (so far) have rekindled my former relationship
with cordless tools. They charge quickly (if memory serves; I've only
charged the big ones once). And the tools have more power too. I've even
used the circular saw a few times. One of those was to trim a few inches
off a piece of scrap ply that wouldn't quite make it into my car. It was
handy to do it right there in the driveway. And having multiple drills
that are reliably charged is a real convenience. Why change bits?
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On Sat, 17 May 2014 08:04:09 -0400, pentapus <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 5/15/2014 11:36 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 5/15/2014 10:30 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>>> On 5/15/2014 8:14 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Morgans wrote:
>>>>> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on
>>>>>> sale in a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half
>>>>>> price on the individual batteries.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will find that the small batteries are only for very light duty
>>>>> jobs. They simply don't push enough amps, and don't last very long,
>>>>> too.
>>>>> Seriously, invest in the big ones. You will be much happier.
>>>>
>>>> Echo that.
>>>
>>>
>>> The smaller batteries are likely just about the same as the old NiCads
>>> from the blue series.
>>>
>>> No matter, they will prove sufficient for accessories like the drill,
>>> vacuum, light, etc. And I did buy the big brutes. I needed the charger
>>> to go with them which is why I wound up spending another $70 to pick up
>>> the charger and the reciprocating saw and two batteries.
>>>
>> Not quite. They are certainly less amps then the big battery, but they
>> don't require charging like the nicads. They can sit for months and
>> still hold their charge. Which is why I spent the $69.. seemed like a no
>> loss situation.
>>
>> I originally wanted the heavier battery, but am happy with the small
>> one. It's light enough and gets the work done.
>>
>> My little Hitachi impact driver is so cool, light and powerful, I would
>> use it for driving. For heavy drilling the Ryobi, but for everyday
>> drilling the small hitachi. After 3 or 4 years.. can't remember, would
>> have to look, my Hitachi batteries are still good, but I know the day is
>> coming that they will need replacement.
>
>I do nearly the same. Often you use a drill up or overhead, and the
>smaller drill is less tiring. My blue Ryobi died and I switched to the
>green one, the small batteries are fine for the drill, and a number of
>other tools. I have a pair of the small and a pair of the large that
>stay in use.
That's why I have both Bosch 12V (10.8V) and 18V sets of drivers and
drills. The 12V models are far lighter and easier to use. I end up
using them 90% of the time, not just for overhead work.
>> I looked at the Milwakee brushless, but I could not control that thing.
>> It just snapped the heads or cammed out every screw at HD on their demo
>> rack.. Too much torque too quick. I would like a more gradual ramp up,
>> the trigger was too sensitive and the clutch didn't have a low enough
>> setting ... Might be good for heavy work, but for light work, it would
>> just eat it up, and spit it out.
>
>Ouch.
>
>The green, and probably the blue ryobi has a nice spread on the hi/low
>switch. It runs both faster and slower than my small Hitachi, sometimes
>that is needed.
I stopped using a drill as a driver the first time I used an impact
driver. Nice! I also have non-impact drivers but they don't get used
much.
On 5/15/2014 10:30 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 5/15/2014 8:14 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Morgans wrote:
>>> "Unquestionably Confused" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>>> Finally, they have their BEST Li-Ion battery, the 4.0AH beast on
>>>> sale in a special 2 for 1 pack which also sells for $99 or half
>>>> price on the individual batteries.
>>>
>>> You will find that the small batteries are only for very light duty
>>> jobs. They simply don't push enough amps, and don't last very long,
>>> too.
>>> Seriously, invest in the big ones. You will be much happier.
>>
>> Echo that.
>
>
> The smaller batteries are likely just about the same as the old NiCads
> from the blue series.
>
> No matter, they will prove sufficient for accessories like the drill,
> vacuum, light, etc. And I did buy the big brutes. I needed the charger
> to go with them which is why I wound up spending another $70 to pick up
> the charger and the reciprocating saw and two batteries.
>
Not quite. They are certainly less amps then the big battery, but they
don't require charging like the nicads. They can sit for months and
still hold their charge. Which is why I spent the $69.. seemed like a no
loss situation.
I originally wanted the heavier battery, but am happy with the small
one. It's light enough and gets the work done.
My little Hitachi impact driver is so cool, light and powerful, I would
use it for driving. For heavy drilling the Ryobi, but for everyday
drilling the small hitachi. After 3 or 4 years.. can't remember, would
have to look, my Hitachi batteries are still good, but I know the day is
coming that they will need replacement.
I looked at the Milwakee brushless, but I could not control that thing.
It just snapped the heads or cammed out every screw at HD on their demo
rack.. Too much torque too quick. I would like a more gradual ramp up,
the trigger was too sensitive and the clutch didn't have a low enough
setting ... Might be good for heavy work, but for light work, it would
just eat it up, and spit it out.
--
Jeff