I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
and $870 shipped.
It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
questions :
- Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
upgrading?
- On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
hefty to roll around regularly?
- My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
to carry it down without broken spines?
- Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
speak up too!
Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
Thanks,
Rob
rob <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think I should be OK. I have a patio door to go through and then a
> straight half flight of stairs down to the shop. I'll have to get 2 or
> 3 good strong friends to help out (well, they're friends for now at
> least...this might change things). Grizzly customer service says the
> crates are 120 and 310 lbs. Ouch.
An alternative if you need it, is to use a dolly with the larger balloon
tires with about a third of the air let out. Works great on stairs and
over uneven surfaces. Me and my bad back just dragged a pretty sizable
piece of scavanged granite up and down a bunch of stairs.
[email protected] (rob) writes:
>- My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
>8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
>to carry it down without broken spines?
If you have a straight shot into the basement you should be all right.
I bought a DJ-20, brought it home and then determined there was never
going to be a way to get it into my basement. Brought it back and
exchanged for a PM54A.
My basement stairs is U shaped with a landing half way down. No way to
carry an 8' long crate down the stairs. It was just too darn heavy to get
through the window. I didn't want to uncrate it as then there would be
temptation to carry it by the table ends. It probably would not fit down
the stairs even uncrated.
Brian Elfert
The other posters have given you much to chew on, but all I can say is
that I upgraded from a Griz 6" to a DJ-20 8" and as someone else said,
I can't imagine not having it after only 6 months, and I think the
extra width, more than the length of the tables, is the key factor in
my mind.
I would say, however, that this beast is heavy, and while you can save
a few pounds by taking off the base assembly (or, if purchased new,
not assembling it until you get it where it is going), it will take a
minimum of two, and likely 3 for saftey, strong guys to hump it down a
flight of stairs. I imagine further disassembly could be done. New,
a DJ-20 comes in a wooden crate, and two of us had a hard time getting
it off the truck, and although I have a walk-in basement, it was a two
person job to get it into its final position on the base (although the
two people were over 50 and likely lost some of their youthful
strength). Mutt.
[email protected] (rob) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
> have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
> mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
> sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
> and $870 shipped.
>
> It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
> My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
> the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
> think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
> hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
> questions :
>
> - Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
> shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
> upgrading?
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
>
> - Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
> speak up too!
>
> Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
> that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
In response to some of the posts, the answer is that I am planning on
building a lot of projects in the future, and many fairly large ones.
B.A.D., you were right in assuming I am planning more than turning
pens :) And it seems that the concensus is mostly 'go larger and work
around the size'.
So it seems to me that I will probably go with the bigger iron since I
don't want to buy this tool twice. It is hard to swallow the
twiceasbig price tag, but the hassle of hauling out one jointer to
make room for another later doesn't sound good either.
Thanks for all the responses, and I look forward to your help getting
the thing down the stairs :)
Thanks all,
Rob
[email protected] (rob) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
> have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
> mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
> sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
> and $870 shipped.
>
> It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
> My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
> the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
> think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
> hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
> questions :
>
> - Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
> shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
> upgrading?
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
>
> - Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
> speak up too!
>
> Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
> that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
I think I should be OK. I have a patio door to go through and then a
straight half flight of stairs down to the shop. I'll have to get 2 or
3 good strong friends to help out (well, they're friends for now at
least...this might change things). Grizzly customer service says the
crates are 120 and 310 lbs. Ouch.
I have pretty much determined I am going to go with the G0500 based on
the good things I've heard about it. Its that or the G1018, but for
$100 extra bucks, you get 1/2hp more, 10" more bed, 1 more cutterhead
blade and a dust hood. Sounds like its worth the extra money. Y'all
agree, or is 1 1/2hp plenty for this size machine?
Again, thanks for the comments folks.
Brian Elfert <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (rob) writes:
>
> >- My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> >8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> >to carry it down without broken spines?
>
> If you have a straight shot into the basement you should be all right.
>
> I bought a DJ-20, brought it home and then determined there was never
> going to be a way to get it into my basement. Brought it back and
> exchanged for a PM54A.
>
> My basement stairs is U shaped with a landing half way down. No way to
> carry an 8' long crate down the stairs. It was just too darn heavy to get
> through the window. I didn't want to uncrate it as then there would be
> temptation to carry it by the table ends. It probably would not fit down
> the stairs even uncrated.
>
> Brian Elfert
You can always see it onto a different angle. Let's say you buy the 6"
for now, use it for as long as you need it and wait until your
projects requires the 8". Then you sell back the 6", loose a couple of
dollars and go buy the 8" of your dreams. It will not cost you a lot
to be sure of what you really need.
OTOH, if you eventually give up woodworking or simply slow down for a
few years, you won't regret an expensive piece of iron in your
basement.
I think it all boils down to what you're foreseeing in your future.
Many projects and big too? Go for the 8"... A few small projects,
learning the basics, work whenever you have some free time... maybe
the 6" is fine for now.
Just my 0.02
Ben
[email protected] (rob) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
> have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
> mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
> sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
> and $870 shipped.
>
> It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
> My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
> the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
> think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
> hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
> questions :
>
> - Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
> shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
> upgrading?
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
>
> - Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
> speak up too!
>
> Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
> that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
[email protected] (rob) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
> have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
> mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
> sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
> and $870 shipped.
Rob,
I have the 6" Grizzly with the handwheels. I don't feel the need for
an 8", but I don't do a lot of glue up panels, so I guess that depends
on what you do. I have heard a lot of people complaining here about
this particular jointer beiing difficult to tune. I don't have those
problems with the handwheels and a dial indicator. It may be worth a
few extra bills to get the handwheels.
Good luck!
Chuck
My shop is 9x19 (one car garage). Space is a HUGE consideration for me. I
have a 6" Jet. I considered the 6" Powermatic long bed and I'm glad I
didn't get that. I find myself wanting to flatten a board wider than 6"
more often than I want to joint a board longer than the bed can handle. I
compared the size of a DJ-20 and the Jet 6" at a recent woodworking show and
I couldn't believe how much bigger the DJ-20 is. The Jet looks like a
little toy compared to it. I don't think a DJ-20 would easily fit in my
shop.
Mark
"rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
> have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
> mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
> sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
> and $870 shipped.
>
> It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
> My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
> the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
> think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
> hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
> questions :
>
> - Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
> shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
> upgrading?
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
>
> - Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
> speak up too!
>
> Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
> that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
> My dealer carries Jet, Powermatic, and Delta. He specifically recommends the
> Powermatic for home shop owners. He said he's found most of his hobbyist
> clients come back for an 8" to get the length, not the width. He also
> pointed out the pricing of jointer knives going up exponentially with
> increases in width. I have not verified this. I rationalized that if I
> wanted something wider, I'd certainly want to go a bigger jump than two more
> inches.
>
A quick price check will show the difference between 6" and 8" as
being pretty close to linear -- less than $5/inch for reasonable HSS.
Certainly the time to set the knives is invariant. Assuming you
slide the fence to various positions when using the machine, then your
costs per sq in surfaced or lineal edge jointed are close to linear in
jointer size and you get time savings as well as capacity. Under the
assumption you aren't running too much dirt or metal through the
jointer, knives are pretty cheap anyway.
hex
-30-
On 6 Apr 2004 07:43:36 -0700, [email protected] (rob) wrote:
>I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
>have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
>mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
>sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
>and $870 shipped.
>
>It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
>they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
>width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
>My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
>the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
>think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
>hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
>questions :
>
>- Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
>shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
>upgrading?
a footor so at each end. you will need more space to maneuver longer
boards through....
>
>- On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
>hefty to roll around regularly?
it'll want better wheels, but other than that it's easily moveable.
>
>- My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
>8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
>to carry it down without broken spines?
use common sense. take it apart, and you can probably do it yourself.
>
>- Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
>speak up too!
>
>Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
>that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>
>Thanks,
>Rob
"rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
I have the 8" grizz of which you speak with the shopfox mobile base. It
moves easily, but the long tables make it kind of awkward. But this, IMO is
a small price to pay for the bigger capacity.
BTW, I am happy with the machine.
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
>
2 dudes will be able to set the table assembly on the base assembly, but I
seriously doubt that said dudes could get the table assembly down a flight
of stairs. I suggest 4 dudes for this operation.
Frank
I've got a 6" Powermatic. It's a fine jointer with long
beds (66") but every time I have a board around 8" or
slightly less in width, I kick myself for not going with the
8. They aren't much bigger, and a good mobile base isn't
gonna stop you from moving it at will. Mine is hard to keep
in one place. I have to lock down a caster and two fixed
wheels to keep in place. It rolls easier than you'd expect.
Weight? HEAVY! go check specs on the mfgr's website or call
them and ask how heavy the jointer without fence is. Decide
if you can get it down the stairs. It might be more
feasible to slide it down the stairs than carry it, if there
are no turns.
Boils down to my 2 cents votes that if you can afford to get
the 8, and are sure you'll get it into your shop without
major bodily injury, get it! It isn't likely you'll regret it.
dave
rob wrote:
> I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
> have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
> mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
> sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
> and $870 shipped.
>
> It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
> My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
> the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
> think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
> hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
> questions :
>
> - Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
> shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
> upgrading?
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
>
> - Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
> speak up too!
>
> Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
> that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
"rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
> the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
> think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine.
I have a Powermatic 6" which has the longer bed (66"). I am not an
experienced authority, but I'll give you some second and first hand
feedback.
My dealer carries Jet, Powermatic, and Delta. He specifically recommends the
Powermatic for home shop owners. He said he's found most of his hobbyist
clients come back for an 8" to get the length, not the width. He also
pointed out the pricing of jointer knives going up exponentially with
increases in width. I have not verified this. I rationalized that if I
wanted something wider, I'd certainly want to go a bigger jump than two more
inches.
The powermatic is not as long as many of the 8" jointers, but its long
enough to feel like you are docking a battleship instead of moving a
portable tool. Its the length, not the weight that makes it cumbersome. Its
also surprisingly wide (23 inches). I am able to roll mine in and out
easily, but I had to get really creative to make it fit.
If I had to give it up because of space reasons, I'd just go with hand
planes instead. Not to worry - I am keeping the long jointer. It saves lots
and lots of time doing its job really well.
Bob
would YOU like to help him get the 6 incher UP the basement
stairs when he decides to unload it? :) I say get the 8"
and not move two pieces of equipment, NOR lose hard earned
(I presume you work hard) cash.
dave
BeniBoose wrote:
> You can always see it onto a different angle. Let's say you buy the 6"
> for now, use it for as long as you need it and wait until your
> projects requires the 8". Then you sell back the 6", loose a couple of
> dollars and go buy the 8" of your dreams. It will not cost you a lot
> to be sure of what you really need.
>
> OTOH, if you eventually give up woodworking or simply slow down for a
> few years, you won't regret an expensive piece of iron in your
> basement.
>
> I think it all boils down to what you're foreseeing in your future.
> Many projects and big too? Go for the 8"... A few small projects,
> learning the basics, work whenever you have some free time... maybe
> the 6" is fine for now.
>
> Just my 0.02
>
> Ben
>
>
> [email protected] (rob) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
>>have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
>>mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
>>sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
>>and $870 shipped.
>>
>>It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
>>they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
>>width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>>
>>My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
>>the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
>>think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
>>hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
>>questions :
>>
>>- Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
>>shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
>>upgrading?
>>
>>- On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
>>hefty to roll around regularly?
>>
>>- My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
>>8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
>>to carry it down without broken spines?
>>
>>- Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
>>speak up too!
>>
>>Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
>>that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rob
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> - Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
> shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
> upgrading?
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
>
>
I have a "two car garage" shop, and the Griz 8" was an upgrade from a
small, ancient Monkey Ward freebee 6". . .Not really any "space" lost,
just cause me to organize it a mite better.
It is eminently movable on its mobile base; I only move it a few feet
forward when needed for longer stock.
Hmmm. . .Mine came in 3 "parts." Fence assembly, base, and tables
assembly (the heavy part). My son (he's 26) and I had no problem lifting
the table assembly to the base. Going down stairs would be another
matter! I think what I would do is secure plywood for a ramp and use
ropes to resist the weight from the top with bodies providing help next
to the jointer.
Kim
let us know when you get that big iron, Rob! :)
dave
rob wrote:
> In response to some of the posts, the answer is that I am planning on
> building a lot of projects in the future, and many fairly large ones.
> B.A.D., you were right in assuming I am planning more than turning
> pens :) And it seems that the concensus is mostly 'go larger and work
> around the size'.
>
> So it seems to me that I will probably go with the bigger iron since I
> don't want to buy this tool twice. It is hard to swallow the
> twiceasbig price tag, but the hassle of hauling out one jointer to
> make room for another later doesn't sound good either.
>
> Thanks for all the responses, and I look forward to your help getting
> the thing down the stairs :)
>
> Thanks all,
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [email protected] (rob) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
>>have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
>>mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
>>sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
>>and $870 shipped.
>>
>>It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
>>they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
>>width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>>
>>My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
>>the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
>>think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
>>hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
>>questions :
>>
>>- Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
>>shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
>>upgrading?
>>
>>- On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
>>hefty to roll around regularly?
>>
>>- My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
>>8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
>>to carry it down without broken spines?
>>
>>- Anyone who has a 6" and never wished they'd bought bigger, please
>>speak up too!
>>
>>Thanks for all the info gang. I have gotten so much good info here
>>that I don't think I'll ever be unhappy with a tool purchase again.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Rob
all I need to say is see Rob's latest post... :)
dave
Stephen M wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I think he was refering generically to "buying more tool than you ever use"
>
> I think Wally has a point. I have a 6", intend to upgrade. I do NOT regret
> buying the 6. At the time it was purchased, I would have had to wait to
> afford an 8. In the meanwhile, I got the use of a 6. Even if I had the cash,
> I could have used the leftover cash to fill some other void in the shop that
> would have gone unfilled.
>
> Sure, it's a judgement call that only the OP can evaluate, but not a
> completely inappropriate process.
>
> As much as I am an advocate for always buying a little more tool than you
> know you need *now*. I also beleive that you also need to buy many tools
> twice. Once to learn the tool, and what I really want. The second time is
> the keeper. I can think if several tools which I bought one of, that buying
> "the best" would have been a waste.
>
> My delta scroll saw is a prime example. I don't do the type of work that
> required precision curved cuts in thin stock. The most important lesson
> learned is that it is the wrong tool for curved cutting in anything *but*
> thin stock.
>
> -Steve
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Wally, you don't seriously think the OP asked about 8"
>>jointers to turn pens, now do you? You can't convince me
>>that your notion of buying smaller is really what the OP is
>>concentrating his thinking on. He wants to know if folks
>>with 6" jointers wish they had an 8. The answer is, "hell,
>>yes!" I haven't needed a larger DP, or a larger BS, but I
>>definitely would like a larger jointer, no question.
>>
>>The fact that he is questioning which to get pretty much
>>indicates he isn't building doll furniture.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>
>>Wally wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:35:02 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>would YOU like to help him get the 6 incher UP the basement
>>>>stairs when he decides to unload it? :) I say get the 8"
>>>>and not move two pieces of equipment, NOR lose hard earned
>>>>(I presume you work hard) cash.
>>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dave,
>>>
>>>Ben didn't have a bad idea afterall. It's for sure a big job to bring
>>>a 6" or a 8" jointer downstairs but on the other hand, it's fairly
>>>easy to find a few friends to give you a hand even if you need them
>>>twice over the span of a few years. If he's serious about woodworking,
>>>the jointer won't be the only tool going down so he may call his
>>>friends more than once...
>>>
>>>Here in Canada, a 6" jointer is roughly half the price of a 8" jointer
>>>(for the same quality) which translates in quite a bit of money. Even
>>>before considering a purchase, one should at least assess properly his
>>>needs. Before suggesting to go with the bigger the better without even
>>>asking what the guy's doing is kind of stupid. What do you do if all
>>>he wants to do is to turn pens? Using your same reasoning, the poor
>>>guy may throw some hard earned money onto something bigger than he
>>>needs.
>>>
>>>A beginner may be well happy with a 6" jointer if it fits the type of
>>>projects he's planning on doing. Gary Rogowski from Fine Woodworking
>>>is using a 6" jointer and it's enough for him.
>>>
>>>Wally
>>
>
>
"rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am contemplating the purchase of a jointer in the near future, and
> have been perusing all the 6 vs 8 size threads, etc. For the price and
> mostly favorable reviews, I am considering the Grizzly 6" 1182Z on
> sale for $380 shipped or one of the 1018 or 0500 8" machines at $770
> and $870 shipped.
>
> It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
> My main concern is the overall mobility and size difference between
> the two. I have a fairly small shop, but everything is mobile, and I
> think I have enough room to comfortably handle the 6" machine. Its
> hard to image the size difference just by reading the specs. Here's my
> questions :
>
> - Anyone who has gone from a 6" to an 8" in a small to medium size
> shop, whats the overall "feel" you have of the space lost from
> upgrading?
>
> - On a decent mobile base, is the 8" still easily movable, or just too
> hefty to roll around regularly?
>
> - My shop is in the basement, how much trouble will I have moving the
> 8" machine down there? Is it split up reasonably well to allow 2 dudes
> to carry it down without broken spines?
I started out with a 6" and upgraded to a DJ-20... While the two jointers
were in the shop I was amused to find that the fence and infeed table
themselves on the DJ 20 were each about the size of the whole 6" jointer's
tables! Yes it is much bigger and there is no way I'd want to hump it down
stairs... I've got the jointer on a Delta mobile base and it moves easily
enough but the length makes it a bit tricky to maneuver around other tools
in my shop. Personally I use the full cutter width and table length of the
DJ-20 regularly enough that I cannot imagine not having them.
John
[email protected] (rob) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
>
Well, here's my story.
I bought the 6" Jet.. For awhile I kicked myself for not
buying a jointer with longer beds.. But then I realized
that most boards don't really NEED to be jointed. The
planer is often good enough.. Now I know it's not as
good a joining every surface, but it's good enough.
I mainly use ok. If I get a piece that is warped/twisted
too badly to flattened with the planer, I set it aside.
When I do raised panelled doors for cabinents, or something
else that requires a lot of 2' to 4' pieces, I cut up
the reject pile and use the jointer to true them up.
Works pretty well if you buy your wood in big quanities
and can pick through your own stack. Or if you're willing
to buy a few extra boards every time (naturally they will
be used eventually).
And actually, I'm glad I was forced to do this technique.
I save a lot of time by using the planer only about 80%
of the time, and saving the jointer for the 20% or so "problem
boards". I can't tell the difference from the days where I
used to joint everything, but maybe the more anal retentive
types can. :)
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:35:02 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>would YOU like to help him get the 6 incher UP the basement
>stairs when he decides to unload it? :) I say get the 8"
>and not move two pieces of equipment, NOR lose hard earned
>(I presume you work hard) cash.
>
>dave
>
Dave,
Ben didn't have a bad idea afterall. It's for sure a big job to bring
a 6" or a 8" jointer downstairs but on the other hand, it's fairly
easy to find a few friends to give you a hand even if you need them
twice over the span of a few years. If he's serious about woodworking,
the jointer won't be the only tool going down so he may call his
friends more than once...
Here in Canada, a 6" jointer is roughly half the price of a 8" jointer
(for the same quality) which translates in quite a bit of money. Even
before considering a purchase, one should at least assess properly his
needs. Before suggesting to go with the bigger the better without even
asking what the guy's doing is kind of stupid. What do you do if all
he wants to do is to turn pens? Using your same reasoning, the poor
guy may throw some hard earned money onto something bigger than he
needs.
A beginner may be well happy with a 6" jointer if it fits the type of
projects he's planning on doing. Gary Rogowski from Fine Woodworking
is using a 6" jointer and it's enough for him.
Wally
Dave,
I think he was refering generically to "buying more tool than you ever use"
I think Wally has a point. I have a 6", intend to upgrade. I do NOT regret
buying the 6. At the time it was purchased, I would have had to wait to
afford an 8. In the meanwhile, I got the use of a 6. Even if I had the cash,
I could have used the leftover cash to fill some other void in the shop that
would have gone unfilled.
Sure, it's a judgement call that only the OP can evaluate, but not a
completely inappropriate process.
As much as I am an advocate for always buying a little more tool than you
know you need *now*. I also beleive that you also need to buy many tools
twice. Once to learn the tool, and what I really want. The second time is
the keeper. I can think if several tools which I bought one of, that buying
"the best" would have been a waste.
My delta scroll saw is a prime example. I don't do the type of work that
required precision curved cuts in thin stock. The most important lesson
learned is that it is the wrong tool for curved cutting in anything *but*
thin stock.
-Steve
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wally, you don't seriously think the OP asked about 8"
> jointers to turn pens, now do you? You can't convince me
> that your notion of buying smaller is really what the OP is
> concentrating his thinking on. He wants to know if folks
> with 6" jointers wish they had an 8. The answer is, "hell,
> yes!" I haven't needed a larger DP, or a larger BS, but I
> definitely would like a larger jointer, no question.
>
> The fact that he is questioning which to get pretty much
> indicates he isn't building doll furniture.
>
> dave
>
>
> Wally wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:35:02 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>would YOU like to help him get the 6 incher UP the basement
> >>stairs when he decides to unload it? :) I say get the 8"
> >>and not move two pieces of equipment, NOR lose hard earned
> >>(I presume you work hard) cash.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > Ben didn't have a bad idea afterall. It's for sure a big job to bring
> > a 6" or a 8" jointer downstairs but on the other hand, it's fairly
> > easy to find a few friends to give you a hand even if you need them
> > twice over the span of a few years. If he's serious about woodworking,
> > the jointer won't be the only tool going down so he may call his
> > friends more than once...
> >
> > Here in Canada, a 6" jointer is roughly half the price of a 8" jointer
> > (for the same quality) which translates in quite a bit of money. Even
> > before considering a purchase, one should at least assess properly his
> > needs. Before suggesting to go with the bigger the better without even
> > asking what the guy's doing is kind of stupid. What do you do if all
> > he wants to do is to turn pens? Using your same reasoning, the poor
> > guy may throw some hard earned money onto something bigger than he
> > needs.
> >
> > A beginner may be well happy with a 6" jointer if it fits the type of
> > projects he's planning on doing. Gary Rogowski from Fine Woodworking
> > is using a 6" jointer and it's enough for him.
> >
> > Wally
>
"pete rose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (rob) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > It seems that there are more people who have bought 6" and wished
> > they'd bought 8" than there are people who say have no need for more
> > width. Anyone on the other side of this please speak up as well!
> >
> Well, here's my story.
> I bought the 6" Jet.. For awhile I kicked myself for not
> buying a jointer with longer beds.. But then I realized
> that most boards don't really NEED to be jointed. The
> planer is often good enough.. Now I know it's not as
> good a joining every surface, but it's good enough.
>
Do you not rough cross cut before jointing? I have a basic 6" jointer. I can
mill up to about 5-foot long boards with that. Precious few of my project
individual components are longer than that. Sometimes I will componentize a
design to keep from having to mill really long components (e.g., stacked
cabinets). For widths greater than 6", I joint then glue. Then I find that
it's good enough for the planer.
If it fits on the jointer, I see no reason to skip that step. If it doesn't,
I'll sight the board and take off the high spots by hand if necessary.
Wally, you don't seriously think the OP asked about 8"
jointers to turn pens, now do you? You can't convince me
that your notion of buying smaller is really what the OP is
concentrating his thinking on. He wants to know if folks
with 6" jointers wish they had an 8. The answer is, "hell,
yes!" I haven't needed a larger DP, or a larger BS, but I
definitely would like a larger jointer, no question.
The fact that he is questioning which to get pretty much
indicates he isn't building doll furniture.
dave
Wally wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:35:02 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>would YOU like to help him get the 6 incher UP the basement
>>stairs when he decides to unload it? :) I say get the 8"
>>and not move two pieces of equipment, NOR lose hard earned
>>(I presume you work hard) cash.
>>
>>dave
>>
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Ben didn't have a bad idea afterall. It's for sure a big job to bring
> a 6" or a 8" jointer downstairs but on the other hand, it's fairly
> easy to find a few friends to give you a hand even if you need them
> twice over the span of a few years. If he's serious about woodworking,
> the jointer won't be the only tool going down so he may call his
> friends more than once...
>
> Here in Canada, a 6" jointer is roughly half the price of a 8" jointer
> (for the same quality) which translates in quite a bit of money. Even
> before considering a purchase, one should at least assess properly his
> needs. Before suggesting to go with the bigger the better without even
> asking what the guy's doing is kind of stupid. What do you do if all
> he wants to do is to turn pens? Using your same reasoning, the poor
> guy may throw some hard earned money onto something bigger than he
> needs.
>
> A beginner may be well happy with a 6" jointer if it fits the type of
> projects he's planning on doing. Gary Rogowski from Fine Woodworking
> is using a 6" jointer and it's enough for him.
>
> Wally
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:08:35 GMT, "Mark Wells"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My shop is 9x19 (one car garage). Space is a HUGE consideration for me. I
>have a 6" Jet. I considered the 6" Powermatic long bed and I'm glad I
>didn't get that. I find myself wanting to flatten a board wider than 6"
>more often than I want to joint a board longer than the bed can handle. I
>compared the size of a DJ-20 and the Jet 6" at a recent woodworking show and
>I couldn't believe how much bigger the DJ-20 is. The Jet looks like a
>little toy compared to it. I don't think a DJ-20 would easily fit in my
>shop.
>
>Mark
>
Yeah, the DJ-20 is a major hunk of iron, but I'm glad I did what it
took to put it in my small basement shop. This tool is the bomb. It
surfaces even the hardest woods absolutely effortlessly all the way to
it's 8" width. I don't regret this purchase for a minute.
I am concerned about it's weight when the inevitable removing it from
the basement happens. "Inevitable" you say? Yes, someday it'll be
pulled up when I move, or my heirs want it out. This applies to
anything particularly heavy I bring in. Easy (sort of) down, not so
easy up.