I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
blades.
I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
organization?
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> writes:
>But, where do you get rid
>of a monitor these days? I'd rather not just dumpster them, y'know?
>All that (a) good scrap material, and (b) hazardous chemicals.
There's a recycling company in Madison Wis that takes old
computer gear from the public twice a year (the rest of the time
they only want corporate stuff that comes in on pallets).
$5 charge for monitors and laptops (limit 2). I've dumped a bunch of
"stuff that's too big to store" with them over the last few years.
There must be similar operations in other cities. A web search
for something like "computer recycling" and the name of the
nearest big city might turn something up.
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> writes:
>> There's a recycling company in Madison Wis that takes old
>> computer gear from the public twice a year...
>I'm 20 minutes from Madison. Do you have contact info for them?
I finally remembered the name: Cascade Asset Management
http://www.cascade-assets.com/
According to their website, they'll accept stuff from the public
any time, but normally they charge a fee for it. The next "free"
roundup is in April ("free" means they still charge $5 for monitors).
http://www.cascade-assets.com/individual/dropoff.htm
http://www.cascade-assets.com/individual/roundup.htm
I think we all would be bored if we finally got it perfect and there
wasn't anything to do. I know I would.
I have a couple of anemic pegboards that I have used for 30 years and
have never been satisfied. When I started to read about your pegboard,
I immediately thought, "I wonder if he has solved the problem of the
hooks always coming off, etc". The answer was no. I don't think
pegboard is a very good answer. I guess this begs the question: What
is the overall best storage method?
Tool Chest
Pros: Nice and organized, dust free.
Cons: Have to dig for tool you want. Always seems like the tool is
too big or too small and their is either too much or too little room.
Clear plastic storage boxes/drawers:
Pros: Cheap. Good for holding screws.
Cons: Always having to re-arrange them when I want to put a different
size between two anothers.
Not smooth in opening and closing (at least mine aren't).
Not often easy to see item in drawer. Some not easy to label.
Baby food jars on ferris wheel or carousel type holder:
Pros: Has Worked for screws, nails, miscellaneous hardware for 30
years. Takes very little room and in places that normally would not be
useful anyway. Easy to see contents. Not necessary therefore to label
Cons: Takes a little time to build. Good luck in finding the good
screw-on type baby food jars today
Ball jars on ferris wheel or carousel type holder:
Pros: Takes a lot larger screws, nails and other hardware.
Takes very little room and in places that normally would not be useful
anyway. Easy to see contents. Not necessary therefore to label (I do,
however, for screw sizes)
Cons: Takes a little time to build. Cost of Ball Jars seems low until
you have about 60 of them. This contraption is HEAVY and you need to
balance the weight.
Low cost (polypropylene?) drawer set like sold at Target:
Pros: Low cost. Keeps dust off of tools you might keep out otherwise.
Can put anywhere you have floor space. Most have casters if you want
to move them. Large variety of drawer sizes.
Cons: Probably won't last for years (but they have been OK for me so
far). Not the best presentation ever thought of (but who cares if they
work?!). Sometimes overlook them and forget where I have put something
(Oops, guess that is my fault, not the drawer's fault).
Norm Abram's router table with bit holding drawers:
Pros: Best darned storage for router bits (why don't the commercial
router cabinets use them mor often instead of just doors)
Cons: Can't think of any except that there is some extra time needed to
build them.
Workbench Shelf made of 3/4 inch dowels:
Pros: Holds tools (such as planes) in plain site but allows dust to
fall through dowels.
Cons: Let some tools fall through also. Dust does not fall through
planes, so they get dusty. However, you should be using them often
enough that that does not happen (right?).
Anyone else have a list?
loutent wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> I feel your pain. My (almost) 20 year old shop is
> still evolving. Currently, I am putting in some
> hanging cabinets (as I build them). There is always
> something to tear out & do over it seems. Total
> Utopian organization is elusive.
>
> The one thing that really bugs me tho is pegboard.
> I have about (16 x3) feet of the stuff. I have tried
> using the little clips and all sorts of gadgets, but
> tools are always falling off. I am seriously thinking
> of putting a sheet or two of 3/4 ply in place of
> the pegboard (like Norm suggests).
>
> Funny thing tho, SWMBO is always telling me how
> happy I seem to be when I am building for or
> reorganizing the workshop in some way.
>
> Pretty observant of her.
>
> Lou
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Phil <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few
hings
> > are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that
has
> > been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one
area of
> > pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of
pegboard
> > would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules,
squares,
> > levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears,
saw
> > blades.
> > I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for
shop
> > organization?
> >
Do you have a picture of these heavy duty pegs that you can put
somewhere with a link to it? I don't know what you mean by "heavy
duty" pegs.
Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Use heavy duty peg board and heavy duty pegs. They stay in place and
they
> hold a lot of weight. I got a bucket full of assorted pegs from a
local
> hardware store when they were changing over their display stuff and I
don't
> live with any problems from them coming off the board when I don't
want.
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
Do you have a picture of these heavy duty pegs that you can put
somewhere with a link to it? I don't know what you mean by "heavy
duty" pegs.
Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Use heavy duty peg board and heavy duty pegs. They stay in place and
they
> hold a lot of weight. I got a bucket full of assorted pegs from a
local
> hardware store when they were changing over their display stuff and I
don't
> live with any problems from them coming off the board when I don't
want.
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 03:50:51 GMT, Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:12:53 -0600, Phil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>>are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>>been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>>pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>>would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>>levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>>blades.
>>I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>>organization?
>
>I found that having the tools close to the bench is very convenient.
>I built fold-away cabinets that hold a lot of tools close by. Tools I
>use less often go into drawers. I like pegboards, but build custom
>tool holders using "L" hooks that hook into the pegboard.
After building 3 sets of drawers and planning a couple of cabinets, I
ended up buying 100 rare earth magnets for $20 and hanging the stuff
that I use most often..
Hammers and heavy stuff go on the side of the "hardware bin cabinet",
most small saws, paint can openers, rulers, allen keys, etc. hang on a
3' x 30" frame of 3/4 pipe over the work bench..
I find that if I can find the stuff that I use a lot, the rest of the
junk seems to stay out of my way, pretty much.. *g*
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
One of the handiest things I did was to run a french cleat around 3 walls of
my shop to hang cabinets. The cabinets have a slot in each side to allow
getting them over the wall mounted half of the cleat, and I'm able to easily
relocate them when I rearrange the shop. I made extra lengths of the cleat, and
use them to put up various storage racks - clamp rack, saw blade hangers,
holding fixtures for jigs, etc. Now if I could only get the discipline to put
things back in the cabinet, or on the storage racks as I finish using them..
Ron Kolakowski.
Hi Phil,
I feel your pain. My (almost) 20 year old shop is
still evolving. Currently, I am putting in some
hanging cabinets (as I build them). There is always
something to tear out & do over it seems. Total
Utopian organization is elusive.
The one thing that really bugs me tho is pegboard.
I have about (16 x3) feet of the stuff. I have tried
using the little clips and all sorts of gadgets, but
tools are always falling off. I am seriously thinking
of putting a sheet or two of 3/4 ply in place of
the pegboard (like Norm suggests).
Funny thing tho, SWMBO is always telling me how
happy I seem to be when I am building for or
reorganizing the workshop in some way.
Pretty observant of her.
Lou
In article <[email protected]>, Phil <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
>
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 15:58:51 -0500, gregg <[email protected]> wrote:
>A
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:12:53 -0600, Phil <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>>>are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>>>been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>>>pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>>>would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>>>levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>>>blades.
>>>I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>>>organization?
>
>
> My latest incarnation is to hang 1"x12"x24" pine boards with French cleats
>and hang tool categories on each board. Some of the boards are 16" wide.
>One board has wrenches/pliers. one has marking tools one will have chisels
>etc.
If I'm reading you right, that means you can reorganize the layout any
time you want just by moving the boards. Clever!
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
Bob Schmall wrote:
>> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>> organization?
>
> Please explain the word, "organization."
I have heard the term "organization," but I can't understand what "shop
organization" is supposed to mean. Those two words side by side make no
sense, like saying, oh, "kitchen jubilation" or something. Please explain.
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:18:09 -0500, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bob Schmall wrote:
>
>>> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>>> organization?
>>
>> Please explain the word, "organization."
>
> I have heard the term "organization," but I can't understand what "shop
> organization" is supposed to mean. Those two words side by side make no
> sense, like saying, oh, "kitchen jubilation" or something. Please explain.
I _think_ he's talking about what the shop looks like after you clean
it up so you can walk to the tools again? Not sure. In my case, it
means "don't store that monitor under the milling machine because the
chips will become a problem".
Dave "Anyone want to buy a used monitor (as-is)?" Hinz
loutent wrote:
> using the little clips and all sorts of gadgets, but
> tools are always falling off. I am seriously thinking
And the stupid clips come off the board with the tool. Yeah, pegboard is
just not what it's cracked up to be.
Anyway, the trouble with organizing a shop is that it's a never-ending
process of figuring out a way to squeeze in more tools, more supplies, and
more scraps.
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Dan wrote:
> whichever comes first. Then I spend a day putting everything back, during
> which I usually say several times "So THAT'S where that went!" Sometimes
> it's two days.
I've been working on it for three days now, and I still have 2/3 of my
workbench covered. At least I can see almost all of the floor now. I had
stuff piled up all over the place around things I hadn't used in awhile.
>
> Then I either sharpen my edged tools because now I know where they all
> are, or start doing shop stuff again.
LOL! I'm there. I've got every plane iron and chisel in the place laid out
with all my sharpening stuff. Gonna do a Sharpen Fest tomorrow or the day
after or whenever I steal enough time away from the hospital or my wife
gets home, whichever comes first.
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Dave Hinz wrote:
> I _think_ he's talking about what the shop looks like after you clean
> it up so you can walk to the tools again? Not sure. In my case, it
Clean it up? Walk? I thought this was an English language newsgroup, but I
don't understand those words either.
> means "don't store that monitor under the milling machine because the
> chips will become a problem".
It's not like they have any electrical components or bigass magnets in them.
Should be just fine.
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:16:13 -0600, Duane Bozarth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Last (?) FWW had an article -- one of the key points was that it doesn't
> make so much of a difference as to the "how", just have someplace
> specific for everything. The other suggestion was to pick up at least
> 10 items and put them away before beginning work each time one enters
> the shop.
I should try that.
>
> I've tried it, beginning to try to find the places to put stuff...
See, that's the thing. Horizontal space is a problem in my shop, there's
not enough of it, and what's there is full of stuff.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:00:05 -0500, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> I _think_ he's talking about what the shop looks like after you clean
>> it up so you can walk to the tools again? Not sure. In my case, it
>
> Clean it up? Walk? I thought this was an English language newsgroup, but I
> don't understand those words either.
I'm feeling better about this all the time. Although, I think we're just
...what's the term... enabling each other to continue to not clean the
shop up, but I'm not sure that can be helped.
>> means "don't store that monitor under the milling machine because the
>> chips will become a problem".
> It's not like they have any electrical components or bigass magnets in them.
> Should be just fine.
Yeah, because what could possibly go wrong? Actually, I've got about 3
monitors in the shop that are "too good to throw out, to fuzzy to use",
that I really, really should just get rid of. But, where do you get rid
of a monitor these days? I'd rather not just dumpster them, y'know?
All that (a) good scrap material, and (b) hazardous chemicals.
Dave Hinz
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:32:30 -0000, Ron Bean <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> There's a recycling company in Madison Wis that takes old
> computer gear from the public twice a year (the rest of the time
> they only want corporate stuff that comes in on pallets).
> $5 charge for monitors and laptops (limit 2). I've dumped a bunch of
> "stuff that's too big to store" with them over the last few years.
I'm 20 minutes from Madison. Do you have contact info for them?
I can wrangle a pallet, no problems there...
Thanks,
Dave Hinz
Dave Hinz wrote:
> See, that's the thing. Horizontal space is a problem in my shop, there's
> not enough of it, and what's there is full of stuff.
Amen.
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Dave Hinz wrote:
> I'm feeling better about this all the time. Although, I think we're just
> ...what's the term... enabling each other to continue to not clean the
> shop up, but I'm not sure that can be helped.
You enabler you!
> Yeah, because what could possibly go wrong? Actually, I've got about 3
> monitors in the shop that are "too good to throw out, to fuzzy to use",
> that I really, really should just get rid of. But, where do you get rid
> of a monitor these days? I'd rather not just dumpster them, y'know?
> All that (a) good scrap material, and (b) hazardous chemicals.
Don't shoot'em with a BB gun. DAMHIKT.
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:32:54 -0500, Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Hinz wrote:
>
>> I'm feeling better about this all the time. Although, I think we're just
>> ...what's the term... enabling each other to continue to not clean the
>> shop up, but I'm not sure that can be helped.
>
> You enabler you!
OK, fine. Look, dammit, Silvan. Tonight, we'll both go into our
respective shops, and put or throw away one dozen items. (I figure
we repeat this for a decade, I'll find my freaking Fluke meter that I
need).
>> Yeah, because what could possibly go wrong? Actually, I've got about 3
>> monitors in the shop that are "too good to throw out, to fuzzy to use",
>> that I really, really should just get rid of. But, where do you get rid
>> of a monitor these days? I'd rather not just dumpster them, y'know?
>> All that (a) good scrap material, and (b) hazardous chemicals.
>
> Don't shoot'em with a BB gun. DAMHIKT.
It's not any more impressive with a .30-06 - it just stops working.
The 12-gauge on the fax/scanner/printer Canon POS was fun, though.
Dave Hinz
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:43:49 GMT, Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Here in Waukesha, WI we have garbage pick-up every Tuesday in my
> neighborhood. This include large items. A friend of mine moved
> recently and had 4 old computers, three dead monitors and 2 dot matrix
> printers. He just put them on the curb and gone no questions asked.
I take I-94 to and from work every day, through Waukesha. Tuesdays,
you say?
Do they still do the large-item free-shopping (I mean, garbage pickup)
twice a year? Any idea when that is?
Dave "Gotta get rid of some of the stuff I picked up a decade ago" Hinz
Rob V wrote:
>>> All that (a) good scrap material, and (b) hazardous chemicals.
>>
>> Don't shoot'em with a BB gun. DAMHIKT.
>
> LOL - All I can say is WHAT!!!!! What else can you do at 18 and a bb
> gun and the monitor just sitting there :)
When I was moving out of my first apartment, I left behind the first monitor
I ever called my own (instead of Dad's.) It was some real POS with lots
and lots of problems, and I was moving from a place with huge storage to a
place with one half sized closet (and more living space) so I had to get
rid of my little memento.
I shot it repeatedly, even went so far as to pump the gun three times more
than the recommended number and shoot it at point blank range. Nothing. I
put it in the dumpster and threw bricks at it. Nothing. Those CRTs are
actually pretty hard to smash.
Ah, the stupidity of youth. Being immortal was fun.
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Dave Hinz wrote:
>> You enabler you!
>
> OK, fine. Look, dammit, Silvan. Tonight, we'll both go into our
> respective shops, and put or throw away one dozen items. (I figure
> we repeat this for a decade, I'll find my freaking Fluke meter that I
> need).
And I'll find that damn glue gun. Though I've already forgotten what I was
going to use the glue gun for.
>> Don't shoot'em with a BB gun. DAMHIKT.
>
> It's not any more impressive with a .30-06 - it just stops working.
> The 12-gauge on the fax/scanner/printer Canon POS was fun, though.
I'll have to try that. :)
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Owen Lawrence wrote:
>> Ah, the stupidity of youth. Being immortal was fun.
>
> You need to surprise them from behind. Take off the case (and try not to
> kill yourself) and shoot the back of it where it's a lot weaker. Way fun
> if you float it (just the CRT) out in a pond, too.
Yeowch! It cost me 37 stitches when I stepped on that thing. That was YOU?
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Brian Henderson wrote:
> On 30 Dec 2004 16:45:10 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Do they still do the large-item free-shopping (I mean, garbage pickup)
>>twice a year? Any idea when that is?
>
> I wish they'd have a free large-item pickup around here. When we
> replaced our sofa, a friend said they were going to pick the old one
They do here, twice a year. Furniture, old appliances, entire trees. They
keep coming back all week if you put more out too. It's pretty sweet.
Finally getting at least SOMETHIGN for my tax dollars dammit.
> Now I'm stuck with this thing I have to get rid of but don't feel like
> renting a truck and dragging down to the dump.
If your dump is like mine, it might be worth the trip. That lady in the
little scale office is one of the most drop dead gorgeous wimminz I've ever
laid eyes on. She looks kind of similar to Angie Everheart. I'm always
like WTF are you doing working at the dump instead of on the cover of
Cosmo? Sweet as she can be too. Amazing considering the rabble she deals
with all day.
(Hey, I'm a truck driver. I *know* what kind of crap she must have to put
up with every day.)
(And no, I *don't* talk to ladies like that. Even if the "ladies" are
hookers or crack whores or whatever. They're still ladies, dammit, and I'm
a gentleman.)
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Mark Jerde wrote:
> Silvan wrote:
>>
>> And I'll find that damn glue gun. Though I've already forgotten what
>> I was going to use the glue gun for.
>
> Pegboard? Gluing the hooks in? ;-)
Right. Now what was I looking for again?
I did finally get the back of that new Veritas iron for my #6 lapped and
sharpened. It only took five days.
The worst part of this whole ordeal was that I was off and at home and it
was GORGEOUS weather. 50 degrees, 60 degrees. I haven't hardly worn
anything heavier than long johns and a flannel shirt all week, even at
night.
And I spent the week cleaning house and sitting in hospital room.
Sigh.
(Weather matters because my shop is just a crappy little shed. Inadequate
heat, no air conditioning. This is perfect weather.)
Oh well. Some things are more important. I haven't fired off the official
notice yet, but she's home now. Has these bags in her for six weeks. Oh
joy, oh goody. Nothing says love like draining a nice juicy bag of fresh
warm bile. Yerk.
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Silvan writes:
>And I spent the week cleaning house and sitting in hospital room.
>
>Sigh.
>
>(Weather matters because my shop is just a crappy little shed. Inadequate
>heat, no air conditioning. This is perfect weather.)
>
>Oh well. Some things are more important. I haven't fired off the official
>notice yet, but she's home now. Has these bags in her for six weeks. Oh
>joy, oh goody. Nothing says love like draining a nice juicy bag of fresh
>warm bile. Yerk.
Michael, Michael, Michael. Just be delighted she doesn't have a colostomy bag
for you to help with.
Charlie Self
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the ground." H. L. Mencken
Charlie Self wrote:
>>joy, oh goody. Nothing says love like draining a nice juicy bag of fresh
>>warm bile. Yerk.
>
> Michael, Michael, Michael. Just be delighted she doesn't have a colostomy
> bag for you to help with.
This is true.
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On 01 Jan 2005 10:19:39 GMT, Charlie Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> Silvan writes:
>
>>And I spent the week cleaning house and sitting in hospital room.
>>
>>Sigh.
>>
>>(Weather matters because my shop is just a crappy little shed. Inadequate
>>heat, no air conditioning. This is perfect weather.)
>>
>>Oh well. Some things are more important. I haven't fired off the official
>>notice yet, but she's home now. Has these bags in her for six weeks. Oh
>>joy, oh goody. Nothing says love like draining a nice juicy bag of fresh
>>warm bile. Yerk.
>
> Michael, Michael, Michael. Just be delighted she doesn't have a colostomy bag
> for you to help with.
Is this the right time to tell the joke about the prostitute with the
colostomy, who was making a little money on the side?
Dave "Nope, didn't think so." Hinz
Owen Lawrence wrote:
>> > kill yourself) and shoot the back of it where it's a lot weaker. Way
> fun
>> > if you float it (just the CRT) out in a pond, too.
>>
>> Yeowch! It cost me 37 stitches when I stepped on that thing. That was
> YOU?
>
> Sorry. I thought everyone knew they let raw sewage into that pond; I
> just assumed nobody would ever go in there.
So THAT'S why it got so infected! :)
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:25:14 -0000, Ron Bean <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dave Hinz <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>> There's a recycling company in Madison Wis that takes old
>>> computer gear from the public twice a year...
>
>>I'm 20 minutes from Madison. Do you have contact info for them?
>
> I finally remembered the name: Cascade Asset Management
> http://www.cascade-assets.com/
Excellent. Thanks, I'll get ahold of them.
Dave Hinz
The one thing I would add, is those cheap Zip plastic food containers keep
making more of a show, especially the sandwich size. One of these days I'm
going to make a shelving unit to store a bunch of them so they are
individually accessable.
Phil
Phil wrote:
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
Phil wrote:
>
> Bob Schmall wrote:
>
> > > I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> > > organization?
> >
> > Please explain the word, "organization."
>
> I was hoping somebody would have an answer, I sure don't.
Last (?) FWW had an article -- one of the key points was that it doesn't
make so much of a difference as to the "how", just have someplace
specific for everything. The other suggestion was to pick up at least
10 items and put them away before beginning work each time one enters
the shop. And, to keep that from being too onerous initially, 10 items
can be as simple as 3 sockets left out, etc., count as three items. The
point being, obviously, if you do a little at a time, it's not such a
chore, and if there is a place for things, then it's easier to keep
organized once accomplished.
I've tried it, beginning to try to find the places to put stuff...
I had pegboard in two previous home shops and always hated it. As
others have noted, the clips always came off, etc.. I vowed that
someday I would have something else. When we moved into our house ten
years ago I had room for a 20' x 35' shop in the basement. The house
design resulted in an alcove in the shop area. I built a set of open
cabinets with shelves that hold plastic bins for hardware for the
bottom of the alcove. Above them are three tool boards of 1/2" birch
ply wood. The tools are organized by function (measuring & marking,
screw and nut handling, edge cutting, hole making, etc.) Each tool
has a custom fitted maple fixture to hold it to the plywood. It works
great. I really enjoy making things and for a while wasn't working on
furniture so I made the fixtures. It was a challenge to design some
of the holders but all in all provided lots of good shop time.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:12:53 -0600, Phil <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>blades.
>I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>organization?
"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Phil wrote:
>>
>> Bob Schmall wrote:
>>
>> > > I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for
>> > > shop
>> > > organization?
>> >
>> > Please explain the word, "organization."
>>
>> I was hoping somebody would have an answer, I sure don't.
>
> Last (?) FWW had an article -- one of the key points was that it doesn't
> make so much of a difference as to the "how", just have someplace
> specific for everything. The other suggestion was to pick up at least
> 10 items and put them away before beginning work each time one enters
> the shop. And, to keep that from being too onerous initially, 10 items
> can be as simple as 3 sockets left out, etc., count as three items. The
> point being, obviously, if you do a little at a time, it's not such a
> chore, and if there is a place for things, then it's easier to keep
> organized once accomplished.
>
> I've tried it, beginning to try to find the places to put stuff...
Please explain the word, "retentive."
"Phil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
My pegboard experience is limited to my father's shop. Somehow I never
liked it, so there's no pegboard in my own shop. My shop is in the
basement, which is small and I must share with laundry, storage, and a huge
freezer. But there are two general principles that I have applied with some
success. One is to use the third dimension, i.e. shelves. Really opens up
the space. The other is to locate the small tools (and jigs) closest to
where they'll be used. For example:
- Lathe chisels are in a cabinet hung just to the right of the lathe; the
door stays open when I'm turning. (I currently also store my planes, try
squares, and other nice tools in there. It's the wrong place for them
because it's a walk to the workbench. I just don't have any other good wall
space to hang the cabinet. My basement was arranged in a really stupid way,
by whoever built the house (which wasn't me).)
- Table saw wrench is stuck to magnets on the table saw. The crosscut sled
is either on the saw or sitting on the floor under one of the extension
wings. The table saw is on retractable wheels. Other sleds and jigs are on
the floor (elevated a bit in case of water) on the other side. I don't walk
there because there's a joist pole in that spot anyway.
- The drillpress is a big bench model but I built a stand for it with a
drawer. It's a big drawer and holds all things drillpress. The drillpress
stand is on retractable wheels.
- The workbench extends from the wall under the window. I can access three
sides of it. It is not on wheels but I've got a dolly I can put under one
end, and lifting the other end of the bench allows me to move it. I've got
three hammers hooked on one leg, and a brush and dustpan hooked on one end.
There's also a toolbox full of screwdrivers, pliers, and small things
sitting against the wall at the other end of the bench. Not perfect, but
seems to work well enough, and when I have to work on something outdoors, I
can usually just close the lid, grab it and go. I used to have all those
things hanging from a long board with custom holes for everything (in my
other house), but I think the box works better.
- The bandsaw is a huge home made thing and I don't have any accessories
for it. It's inbetween the bench and the table saw (backing against that
annoying pole). A 6" grinder is mounted on the back, and it's a short walk
from the lathe to it. The bandsaw is on fridge casters.
- The house came with built-in shelves, really crappy ones, that extend
both directions from the corner behind me when I'm standing in front of the
bench. I've got clamps clamped at each end. I've got a neoprene diamond
sharpening wheel motorized on one of these shelves, and it's handy for
touching up chisels right behind the bench where I'm making them dull. I've
also got a set of sturdy metal shelves and these hold most of my hardware
(screws, hinges, junk like that), and hand held power tools. The nails are
currently on another set of wooden shelves, but now that you've got me
thinking about this, I think I'm going to swap out some miscellaneous stuff
that's on those metal shelves and put the nails there.
- I'm building a router table right now, and I'm just about to start making
the retractable wheel mechanism. The bits, jigs, and other routers will be
stored in the cabinet underneath once it's all done.
- The @#$#@$* furnace is right in the middle of the room. What is wrong
with the people who install these things?!!!! I'm only tolerating the
situation; my wife and I plan to move somewhere else once the kids graduate
from high school. The furnace is the number one impediment to me ever
getting my workshop organized.
I have changed the way I've organized my workshop twice, so I'd have to say
the most important things are those wheels. If you've got them you can
think about reconfiguring for the job at hand. If you don't, you're less
likely to want to change. I've all but given up looking for the "correct"
way to organize, because just when I figure out what it should be, I start
building different things that require a different organization. Just don't
try to cram too many things into too small a space or you'll really limit
your options for change.
- Owen -
There are little plastic clips that hold down peg hooks that span at least two
holes vertically(including the hole for the peg itslef). You cannot put two
hooks directly adjacent to each other, however you can put the ends of the
clips in the same hole, so a one hole space between hooks is possible. They
come in some of the kits at the borgs, and im sure they also come seperately.
The individual hooks are the ones i have the trouble with, the rail types, and
the double rail types usually stay in by themselves... anyhoo...
Jesse M
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> How about a hot melt glue gun to keep those pesky hooks secure?
That's actually worth a try. Now has anyone seen my glue gun? I haven't
seen it since the '90s.
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On Tue 28 Dec 2004 10:11:39p, [email protected] (ThJester99) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> There are little plastic clips that hold down peg hooks that span at
> least two holes vertically(including the hole for the peg itslef). You
> cannot put two hooks directly adjacent to each other, however you can
> put the ends of the clips in the same hole, so a one hole space
> between hooks is possible. They come in some of the kits at the borgs,
> and im sure they also come seperately. The individual hooks are the
> ones i have the trouble with, the rail types, and the double rail
> types usually stay in by themselves... anyhoo... Jesse M
Yeah, you can buy them by the box. Can't remember where I got 'em. One of
the borgs, or Dorn or Ace. They really do make those hooks stay put.
On Tue 28 Dec 2004 10:32:58p, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]>
wrote in news:[email protected]:
> How about a hot melt glue gun to keep those pesky hooks secure?
>
> - Doug
>
Well, every now and then I get a new tool and have to rearrange the pegs a
little...
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:37:56 +0000, Dan wrote:
> Yeah, you can buy them by the box. Can't remember where I got 'em. One of
> the borgs, or Dorn or Ace. They really do make those hooks stay put.
How about a hot melt glue gun to keep those pesky hooks secure?
- Doug
--
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On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 04:54:49 +0000, Dan wrote:
> On Tue 28 Dec 2004 10:32:58p, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]>
> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> How about a hot melt glue gun to keep those pesky hooks secure?
>>
>> - Doug
>>
>>
> Well, every now and then I get a new tool and have to rearrange the pegs a
> little...
That's what's OK with the hot melt - just stick the tip of the gun on the
old glue and soften it up to make changes.
- Doug
--
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After 7 years of moving crap all over the shop,
I think drawers are the answer to all the world's
problems...
I built Norm's miter saw station and I have filled
that sucker up in every single drawer.
Next project...more drawers !!!!
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Tool Chest
> Pros: Nice and organized, dust free.
> Cons: Have to dig for tool you want. Always seems like the tool is
> too big or too small and their is either too much or too little room.
>
> Clear plastic storage boxes/drawers:
> Pros: Cheap. Good for holding screws.
> Cons: Always having to re-arrange them when I want to put a different
> size between two anothers.
> Not smooth in opening and closing (at least mine aren't).
> Not often easy to see item in drawer. Some not easy to label.
>
> Baby food jars on ferris wheel or carousel type holder:
> Pros: Has Worked for screws, nails, miscellaneous hardware for 30
> years. Takes very little room and in places that normally would not be
> useful anyway. Easy to see contents. Not necessary therefore to label
>
> Cons: Takes a little time to build. Good luck in finding the good
> screw-on type baby food jars today
>
> Ball jars on ferris wheel or carousel type holder:
> Pros: Takes a lot larger screws, nails and other hardware.
> Takes very little room and in places that normally would not be useful
> anyway. Easy to see contents. Not necessary therefore to label (I do,
> however, for screw sizes)
> Cons: Takes a little time to build. Cost of Ball Jars seems low until
> you have about 60 of them. This contraption is HEAVY and you need to
> balance the weight.
>
> Low cost (polypropylene?) drawer set like sold at Target:
> Pros: Low cost. Keeps dust off of tools you might keep out otherwise.
> Can put anywhere you have floor space. Most have casters if you want
> to move them. Large variety of drawer sizes.
> Cons: Probably won't last for years (but they have been OK for me so
> far). Not the best presentation ever thought of (but who cares if they
> work?!). Sometimes overlook them and forget where I have put something
> (Oops, guess that is my fault, not the drawer's fault).
>
> Norm Abram's router table with bit holding drawers:
> Pros: Best darned storage for router bits (why don't the commercial
> router cabinets use them mor often instead of just doors)
> Cons: Can't think of any except that there is some extra time needed to
> build them.
>
> Workbench Shelf made of 3/4 inch dowels:
> Pros: Holds tools (such as planes) in plain site but allows dust to
> fall through dowels.
> Cons: Let some tools fall through also. Dust does not fall through
> planes, so they get dusty. However, you should be using them often
> enough that that does not happen (right?).
>
> Anyone else have a list?
>
>
> loutent wrote:
>
>>Hi Phil,
>>
>>I feel your pain. My (almost) 20 year old shop is
>>still evolving. Currently, I am putting in some
>>hanging cabinets (as I build them). There is always
>>something to tear out & do over it seems. Total
>>Utopian organization is elusive.
>>
>>The one thing that really bugs me tho is pegboard.
>>I have about (16 x3) feet of the stuff. I have tried
>>using the little clips and all sorts of gadgets, but
>>tools are always falling off. I am seriously thinking
>>of putting a sheet or two of 3/4 ply in place of
>>the pegboard (like Norm suggests).
>>
>>Funny thing tho, SWMBO is always telling me how
>>happy I seem to be when I am building for or
>>reorganizing the workshop in some way.
>>
>>Pretty observant of her.
>>
>>Lou
>>
>>In article <[email protected]>, Phil <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few
>
> hings
>
>>>are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that
>
> has
>
>>>been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one
>
> area of
>
>>>pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of
>
> pegboard
>
>>>would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules,
>
> squares,
>
>>>levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears,
>
> saw
>
>>>blades.
>>>I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for
>
> shop
>
>>>organization?
>>>
>
>
LOL! I guess I don't! I'm on vacation this week and have spent the last
two days re-organizing everything to make room for a DC and mortising
machine. I have a 2 1/2 car shop and thus far have a preferred layout for
some things, but can't decide on some others. For example, my table saw is
almost centered in the shop with the jointer off to the left side. My TS
has a 50" fence, so the right end of the table holds my planer. In front of
the TS I have a 5' router table that also serves as an outfeed table for the
TS. This arrangement seems to work best for me. I got 4 2'x4' steel
rolling cabinets with laminate tops from a school auction several years ago
that provide a good amount of storage and counter space. The lathe, band
saw, and drill press are all along the back wall with cabinets in between
each that house the accessories needed for each machine. The walls in the
shop are 8', so I ran split sheets of drywall (2' x 8') on the top and
bottom, with the 4' in between filled with pegboard. This worked well, lots
of storage on the walls, and little material waste. After spending most of
the day today just cleaning up the plethora of rags, sandpaper, drill bits,
hand tools etc, off of all the flat surfaces in the shop, I'd say my biggest
problem is KEEPING it organized! --dave
"Phil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
>
Dunno if this will help, but my high school shop (this is +/- 20 years ago)
had a very large freestanding cabinet, about 4' wide, 8' high and 24" deep.
The front was two doors that were hinged at the center of each side of the
cabinet, so that when you opened it up, you basically had a center cabinet
4x8 x 12" deep and a pair of 2x8 x 12" deep cabinets hinged to each side.
(hope this makes sense). All of the shop's hand tools were stored in this
cabinet, and there must have been a few hundred different items. I would
say that if you have the room for one giant cabinet for all your tools (and
you can put pegboard etc. on the inside) and something like an old library
card catalog or apothecary cabinet for hardware, that will leave a lot of
room free in your shop and keep most of the dust off stuff.
"Phil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
>
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:32:30 -0000, Ron Bean <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>There's a recycling company in Madison Wis that takes old
>>computer gear from the public twice a year (the rest of the time
>>they only want corporate stuff that comes in on pallets).
>>$5 charge for monitors and laptops (limit 2). I've dumped a bunch of
>>"stuff that's too big to store" with them over the last few years.
>
>
> I'm 20 minutes from Madison. Do you have contact info for them?
> I can wrangle a pallet, no problems there...
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Hinz
Here in Waukesha, WI we have garbage pick-up every Tuesday in my
neighborhood. This include large items. A friend of mine moved
recently and had 4 old computers, three dead monitors and 2 dot matrix
printers. He just put them on the curb and gone no questions asked.
Thanks
Rick
"Bob Schmall" wrote in message
> Please explain the word, "organization."
LOL ... reminds me of the one about the newscaster that asked a Texan, a
Californian, and a New Yorker the question: "Excuse me, but do you know
anything about the beef shortage?".
The Texan said: "What's a 'shortage'?"; the Californian said: "What's
'beef'?"; and the New Yorker said: "Whets 'excuse me'?".
--
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Last update: 11/06/04
<snip>I have tried
> using the little clips and all sorts of gadgets, but
> tools are always falling off.
Try the "heavy duty" pegboard clips. They can be a real PITA to get into
the pegboard, but they stay put. I ditched all the "light duty" ones for the
same reason, they always fell off. --dave
"loutent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:281220041413420247%[email protected]...
> Hi Phil,
>
> I feel your pain. My (almost) 20 year old shop is
> still evolving. Currently, I am putting in some
> hanging cabinets (as I build them). There is always
> something to tear out & do over it seems. Total
> Utopian organization is elusive.
>
> The one thing that really bugs me tho is pegboard.
> I have about (16 x3) feet of the stuff. I am seriously thinking
> of putting a sheet or two of 3/4 ply in place of
> the pegboard (like Norm suggests).
>
> Funny thing tho, SWMBO is always telling me how
> happy I seem to be when I am building for or
> reorganizing the workshop in some way.
>
> Pretty observant of her.
>
> Lou
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Phil <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>> blades.
>> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>> organization?
>>
Sounds roughly like the system in this months issue of The Family Handyman.
Checkout the garage system they created,
http://www.rd.com/familyhandyman/article.do?siteId=1111&categoryId=6002&contentId=585
John
"Rkola" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> One of the handiest things I did was to run a french cleat around 3 walls
> of
> my shop to hang cabinets. The cabinets have a slot in each side to allow
> getting them over the wall mounted half of the cleat, and I'm able to
> easily
> relocate them when I rearrange the shop. I made extra lengths of the
> cleat, and
> use them to put up various storage racks - clamp rack, saw blade hangers,
> holding fixtures for jigs, etc. Now if I could only get the discipline to
> put
> things back in the cabinet, or on the storage racks as I finish using
> them..
>
> Ron Kolakowski.
"Phil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
>
All of the walls in my woodshop area are pegboard. Quite handy.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Dave Hinz wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:43:49 GMT, Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Here in Waukesha, WI we have garbage pick-up every Tuesday in my
>>neighborhood. This include large items. A friend of mine moved
>>recently and had 4 old computers, three dead monitors and 2 dot matrix
>>printers. He just put them on the curb and gone no questions asked.
>
>
> I take I-94 to and from work every day, through Waukesha. Tuesdays,
> you say?
>
> Do they still do the large-item free-shopping (I mean, garbage pickup)
> twice a year? Any idea when that is?
>
> Dave "Gotta get rid of some of the stuff I picked up a decade ago" Hinz
They do not do the large item pick up twice a year. They do it weekly
(We must get something out of the high property taxes that we pay).
However which day that is depends on what neighborhood you live in.
Silvan wrote:
> Oh joy, oh goody. Nothing says love like draining a nice
> juicy bag of fresh warm bile. Yerk.
OTOH it's not necessarily that much different from putting up with something
that complains, corrects, berates, harasses, harangues, belittles and bleeds
several days a month but doesn't die... ;-)
-- Mark
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip>
> Yeah, because what could possibly go wrong? Actually, I've got about
> 3 monitors in the shop that are "too good to throw out, to fuzzy to
> use", that I really, really should just get rid of. But, where do you
> get rid of a monitor these days? I'd rather not just dumpster them,
> y'know? All that (a) good scrap material, and (b) hazardous chemicals.
In our, admittedly California, town, they are to be recycled. Usually,
there is a fee ($10), but, that having proved counterproductive(*), they
often have 'free days', when CRTs, televisions, computers and the like can
be dropped off at no charge.
One of my sons generally wants to scavenge something from my dead machines,
and it becomes his problem, until an amnesty day. But no land fill.
Patriarch
* stuff shows up tossed where stuff shouldn't be
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I found that having the tools close to the bench is very convenient.
>
So do I. Seems like most end up ON the bench though. I do have a couple of
sets of drawers from Lee Valley. They hold my sandpaper, some measuring
tools, chisels and assorted small stuff. A couple of Tupperware boxes
about 5 x 5 x 1 hold screwdriver bits, countersink bits, other small stuff
that I use frequently. Pegboard holds other hand tools, sanders are plugged
in and under the bench. One with 120 grit, the other 220 grit.
Router table has two drawers for all the bits and accessories for it.
In the next few weeks I'm going to re-do my bench. That means everything
must be moved so it will be easier to organize as I put things back. The
bench will also be narrower so I can utilize the wall behind it that I
cannot now reach.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/
Sears used to sell some excellent pegboard hooks/hangers. They were designed
so the bottom part firmly fit into the pegboard and I never ever had one
fall out. They came in a box of about 25 - several shapes available. Sadly,
the last time I was in the US store where I got the others they informed
they don't carry them any more. What a pain.
Recently I was hauling a load of stuff to the dump and among the junk was a
kids workbench. On the small pegboard were four hangers, red in color and
firmly in place. I removed them and now use them on my own pegboard...They
were very sturdy, probably because of the specs placed on kids toy safety.
Wish I could get more of them too because not only do they stay in place but
the red looks great :O) I think Mattel or some other major mfr made it.
Anyone know of another source for the kind I'm talking about - The bottom
part of the pegs was split.
Keith P.
On Tue 28 Dec 2004 11:12:53a, Phil <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
I've found what works best for me is doing shop stuff until I can't find
the tool I'm looking for or until I don't have room to put something down,
whichever comes first. Then I spend a day putting everything back, during
which I usually say several times "So THAT'S where that went!" Sometimes
it's two days.
Then I either sharpen my edged tools because now I know where they all are,
or start doing shop stuff again.
I agree with Pat, though. I need lots more drawers. Big ones and little
ones. Having totes and buckets and soft-side tool carriers is nice because
at least all the parts and accessories are all in the same place as the
tool, but now I need someplace to put the totes.
Phil <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
>
I hang my bar clamps vertically from a rack that's got custom slots for the
purpose (I think the idea came from ShopNotes or some such). The F-style
clamps just hang in sets of 4-5 on 6" long dowels that form another rack.
My pipe clamps are rarely used, but are stowed horizontally along the
bottom of the angle brackets that hold up my lumber. The clamp storage
works well.
The chisels and small squares hang on a magnetic rack, the backsaws rest on
their back spines on pegs in pegboard, and the larger or closed handled
saws are hung by their handles on pegs.
My handplanes rest in the large drawer of a rolling toolchest I have near
the workbench. Same with the cordless drill, screwdrivers, ROS, sandpaper.
I have a few boards of spalted maple that are looking for a use, and I
think that shortly I'll build a foldout wall cabinet to hold the handtools.
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> loutent wrote:
>
> > using the little clips and all sorts of gadgets, but
> > tools are always falling off. I am seriously thinking
>
> And the stupid clips come off the board with the tool. Yeah, pegboard is
> just not what it's cracked up to be.
>
> Anyway, the trouble with organizing a shop is that it's a never-ending
> process of figuring out a way to squeeze in more tools, more supplies, and
> more scraps.
>
Use heavy duty peg board and heavy duty pegs. They stay in place and they
hold a lot of weight. I got a bucket full of assorted pegs from a local
hardware store when they were changing over their display stuff and I don't
live with any problems from them coming off the board when I don't want.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Phil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>> blades.
>> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>> organization?
>>
> This past fall I moved shop from laundry room to garage. This move came
> about for many reasons as you can imagine, however I now have more room
> and don't require clean up as often. I tend to organize things a bit
> different after each project I complete when I am putting things away
> after each job. As such the shop is is in a constant state of change as
> far as being organized. I rather like this idea as I used to be a bit
> overly organized during my previous 30 years in the military. I do have
> larger tools on casters and this allows for greater flexability. Peg
> board, shelves racks, drawers all play some part in my attempt to
> organize.
My 2 bits....Dan J
Drawers with labels and shelves. Start with a mechanics tool chest and work
from there. Peg board is minimal in my shop.
"Phil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
>
> I shot it repeatedly, even went so far as to pump the gun three times more
> than the recommended number and shoot it at point blank range. Nothing.
I
> put it in the dumpster and threw bricks at it. Nothing. Those CRTs are
> actually pretty hard to smash.
>
> Ah, the stupidity of youth. Being immortal was fun.
You need to surprise them from behind. Take off the case (and try not to
kill yourself) and shoot the back of it where it's a lot weaker. Way fun if
you float it (just the CRT) out in a pond, too.
- Owen -
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bob Schmall wrote:
>
> >> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> >> organization?
> >
> > Please explain the word, "organization."
>
> I have heard the term "organization," but I can't understand what "shop
> organization" is supposed to mean. Those two words side by side make no
> sense, like saying, oh, "kitchen jubilation" or something. Please
explain.
Isn't "shop organization" actually an oxymoron?
--
Nahmie
Those on the cutting edge bleed a lot.
Norm Crow responds:
>"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Bob Schmall wrote:
>>
>> >> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>> >> organization?
>> >
>> > Please explain the word, "organization."
>>
>> I have heard the term "organization," but I can't understand what "shop
>> organization" is supposed to mean. Those two words side by side make no
>> sense, like saying, oh, "kitchen jubilation" or something. Please
>explain.
>
>Isn't "shop organization" actually an oxymoron?
You can organize a shop?
Charlie Self
"Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder
respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." George Orwell
I don't!
Honestly I do NOT work for Festool, but look at this stuff. It is a
great way to organize a shop.
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/festoolorgan.htm
but, as always, the stuff costs money. I have a few Systainers because I
get one every time I buy a tool from them. The bulk of my stuff is
stored in Ziploc food containers. I also like the polyethelene peanut
butter jars. I solved the 'falling pegboard hook' problem by squirting a
little hotmelt in the hole. A heat gun releases it again.
r
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:12:53 -0600, Phil <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>blades.
>I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>organization?
I found that having the tools close to the bench is very convenient.
I built fold-away cabinets that hold a lot of tools close by. Tools I
use less often go into drawers. I like pegboards, but build custom
tool holders using "L" hooks that hook into the pegboard.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you have a picture of these heavy duty pegs that you can put
> somewhere with a link to it? I don't know what you mean by "heavy
> duty" pegs.
>
Sorry, don't have any pictures. My pegs are 1/4 inch pegs. Most of them
are the type that either have the metal plate attached to the back end of
the peg with somewhat sharp points that hook in behind the board, or they
are the type that are simply the 1/4 inch peg, bent to fit into two holes in
the pegboard. Both of these types stay in quite well.
I have some of the types that use the plastic piece that hooks into the
board and the peg then just sits into the plastic part, but I don't care
much for those. They do come out easily. I'm not sure if I'm helping you
at all with this explanation.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Organize? What is this you speak of?
-Keith
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:12:53 -0600, Phil <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>blades.
>I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>organization?
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Owen Lawrence wrote:
>
> >> Ah, the stupidity of youth. Being immortal was fun.
> >
> > You need to surprise them from behind. Take off the case (and try not
to
> > kill yourself) and shoot the back of it where it's a lot weaker. Way
fun
> > if you float it (just the CRT) out in a pond, too.
>
> Yeowch! It cost me 37 stitches when I stepped on that thing. That was
YOU?
Sorry. I thought everyone knew they let raw sewage into that pond; I just
assumed nobody would ever go in there.
- Owen -
"Phil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
> are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
> been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
> pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
> would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
> levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
> blades.
> I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
> organization?
Please explain the word, "organization."
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:01:03 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>They do here, twice a year. Furniture, old appliances, entire trees. They
>keep coming back all week if you put more out too. It's pretty sweet.
>Finally getting at least SOMETHIGN for my tax dollars dammit.
They did it here too. They used to send out notices a month ahead of
time to let everyone know when they were going to send the trucks
around, now... they haven't done it in a couple years. They used to
send around a truck to pick up Christmas trees 2 weeks after Christmas
too, they don't do that anymore either.
>If your dump is like mine, it might be worth the trip. That lady in the
>little scale office is one of the most drop dead gorgeous wimminz I've ever
>laid eyes on. She looks kind of similar to Angie Everheart. I'm always
>like WTF are you doing working at the dump instead of on the cover of
>Cosmo? Sweet as she can be too. Amazing considering the rabble she deals
>with all day.
It's more a matter of not having time or enough stuff to really make
it worth the trip. The dump is relatively close, but getting a truck
for one thing seems to be a bit of a waste to me.
A
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:12:53 -0600, Phil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've always struggled with organization, but after 30 years a few hings
>>are starting to come around. I have a large area of pegbboard that has
>>been under utilized. Years ago I organized all my clamps in one area of
>>pegboard, made sense. Last year, I realized another area of pegboard
>>would make sense with grouping measuring tools. i.e. rules, squares,
>>levels. This morning I think hand cutting, saws, chisels, shears, saw
>>blades.
>>I'm to old to wait another 30 years, what ideas are out there for shop
>>organization?
My latest incarnation is to hang 1"x12"x24" pine boards with French cleats
and hang tool categories on each board. Some of the boards are 16" wide.
One board has wrenches/pliers. one has marking tools one will have chisels
etc.
--
Saville
Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html
Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
Steambending FAQ with photos:
http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
On 30 Dec 2004 16:45:10 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>Do they still do the large-item free-shopping (I mean, garbage pickup)
>twice a year? Any idea when that is?
I wish they'd have a free large-item pickup around here. When we
replaced our sofa, a friend said they were going to pick the old one
up so we left it outside next to the garage and it was gone the next
day. It wasn't until a couple weeks later that we found that someone
else had taken it out into the orange groves and slept on it or
something and it's since gotten rained on and ruined. It's too bad
because it was a nice, nearly new piece of furniture.
Now I'm stuck with this thing I have to get rid of but don't feel like
renting a truck and dragging down to the dump.