"Frank Stutzman" wrote:
> On the other hand, I did finally break one of Dads other habits:
> straightening and re-using bent nails. Took a while, though.
Can tell you stories about Bernie and the electrical conduit he would
clean, straighten then reuse.
He also carried a tattoo on his left arm.
Truly an amazing guy.
Lew
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>> For every large power tool I use, I keep one of those magnetic bowls
>>> stuck on it. Stuck in the bowl are dedicated tools for any and every
>>> adjustment that can be made.
>>
>> I do the same with dollar store baskets:
>>
>> <http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/428>
>
>
> Nice. Looks like the baskets can be had for cheaper than the magnets
> alone.
>
>
There a whole catagory of school supplies called "locker organizers". They
are usually made of plastic and designed to hang off of the side of a metal
locker with internal magnets. I got a bunch of them. Some for the shop and
others in my office attached to the file cabinet next to my desk.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>> <http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/428>
>>>
>>> Nice. Looks like the baskets can be had for cheaper than the magnets
>>> alone.
>>>
>>>
>> There a whole catagory of school supplies called "locker organizers".
>> They are usually made of plastic and designed to hang off of the side of
>> a metal locker with internal magnets. I got a bunch of them. Some for
>> the shop and others in my office attached to the file cabinet next to my
>> desk.
>>
>
> How are the magnets, strength-wise?
>
>
Pretty strong considering they were only intended to hold up school
supplies. I am sure that they are are good for a pound or two. Depends on
the manufacturer, of course. Quality varies widely for items like this. I
picked mine up at a big box office supply store.
If you want to test them, just take the item over to a metal file cabinet
and try it out. These aren't going to hold up heavy items. But small tools,
etc., they should do just fine.
I am looking at a pencil/misc. holder right now. It has two big scissors,
about twenty pens and a couple big rulers in it. I still have to tug it a
bit to get it off the file cabinet.
"B A R R Y" wrote
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> I used to put together dumbells for commercial gyms many years ago. The
>> allen wrench provided for the dumbells were chap junk that twisted and
>> died in short order. Iused to buy the most expensive allen wrenches I
>> could find at an industrial tool supply house.
>>
>
> From my r/c racing days, I have a set of smaller sizes ground from
> hardened drill blanks. It's amazing how bad a typical allen wrench can
> be...
>
Why didn't I think of that?? <head slap> I knew some machinists too.
I guess I just got so dependent on a good blacksmith. He could do anything.
He made a square drive wrench for somebody that had a four foot handle. It
must of been some big iron to require that tool!
Your comment on the quality of some tools is spot on. For my purposes,
they were useless.
"Robatoy" wrote
Morris, you find some of the most obscure, yet totally useful links.
Never heard of Bondhus, now I will give their products a go. I sure
hope that whosoever has taken his place does it with the same
standards he had. That CNC of mine is peppered with Allen head screws,
so to invest in a fresh batch of ball-ends would...ermm...almost be
fun?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was almost gonna kid you about this.
But............., a quality machine like that REQUIRES quality tools to
take care of it. To do less would risk the ire of the Tool Gods.
You have been warned.
Frank Stutzman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> On the other hand, I did finally break one of Dads other habits:
> straightening and re-using bent nails. Took a while, though.
>
I almost never can get the ones that bend to stay straight again... so once
one bends that's the end of it. Only time I try to straighten out a nail
is when it's still in the pieces I'm nailing.
I still reuse almost every screw that comes out of a piece in good
condition, though.
Puckdropper
--
On Usenet, no one can hear you laugh. That's a good thing, though, as some
writers are incorrigible.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:gj349q$v6t$2
@news.motzarella.org:
>
> Last time I cleaned my shop, I couldn't find a darn thing. :-)
>
Cleaning (verb): (a) Removing the dust from something, such as your short
term memory. (b) Hiding things from yourself. (c) The act of moving things
in order to destroy one's short to medium term memories of item location.
See also: Organization
Puckdropper
--
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writers are incorrigible.
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"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Very pissy. I pay for that right. And pissy does not equal
>> unreasonable.
>
> I guess that all depends on whether you're the pisser or the pissee.
>
Well, technically speaking, Robatoy would be both!
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Dec 26, 6:12 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> Very pissy. I pay for that right. And pissy does not equal
> >>> unreasonable.
>
> >> I guess that all depends on whether you're the pisser or the pissee.
>
> > Well, technically speaking, Robatoy would be both!
>
> That "Depends" ...
>
On what?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As in Depends Adult Diapers.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote
On Dec 27, 5:27 pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> B A R R Y wrote:
>
> > -MIKE- wrote:
> >> Am I the only one who reuses screws?
>
> > I often toss them during cleanup, unless the bin is already out.
>
> > It also depends on the quantity.
>
> ...and the quality. I have about a gallon each of assorted
> aircraft-grade bolts, nuts, and washers in the shop that my neighbors
> occasionally pick through. :)
>
> I generally buy fasteners in 500 or 1000 quantities and dump the boxes
> (and the box label) into big rectangular plastic jars (Parmesan cheese
> containers from Sams) and carry the whole container to where I'm
> working. If I take out a handful they go into the jar lid, and leftovers
> get dumped back when I finish.
>
> Screws I didn't buy go into the trash can.
>
> After fighting the Allen wrench battle for too many years, I bought
> T-handled wrench sets with bright yellow handles (marked with the size),
> which seems to help.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Yup. Ditto on the screws. and ditto on the t-handled allen keys, Both
metric and SAE.
A few that I used often are duplicated in other places. A couple are
extra long with ball ends.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I used to put together dumbells for commercial gyms many years ago. The
allen wrench provided for the dumbells were chap junk that twisted and died
in short order. Iused to buy the most expensive allen wrenches I could find
at an industrial tool supply house.
I then had a handle welded onto them and had them hardened at a blacksmith.
That with some locktite did the trick. Modern dumbell design has moved
beyound the allen head screw.
On Dec 28, 1:58=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
> > Morris Dovey wrote:
> >> The ball end is easier to insert and also allows driving with the
> >> shank at an angle. There is a "waist" above the ball, so quality of
> >> the tool is especially important.
>
> > I've never had a problem tightening with a quality ball end, either.
> > It's amazing how "little" contact there is between a standard hex Allen
> > wrench and the screw's socket. In most cases, I don't think the standar=
d
> > end is an advantage.
>
> I just took a look atwww.bondhus.comto get myself up to date - and
> learned that they come with an unconditional lifetime guarantee.
>
> I also learned that John Bondhus died in 2006 - and I mourn the passing
> of one of the very finest mentors/coaches/teachers to ever touch my
> life. When John spoke, you could even /hear/ that "Quality" was spelled
> with a capital "Q"...
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Morris, you find some of the most obscure, yet totally useful links.
Never heard of Bondhus, now I will give their products a go. I sure
hope that whosoever has taken his place does it with the same
standards he had. That CNC of mine is peppered with Allen head screws,
so to invest in a fresh batch of ball-ends would...ermm...almost be
fun?
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:38:41 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Frank Stutzman" wrote
>
>> On the other hand, I did finally break one of Dads other habits:
>> straightening and re-using bent nails. Took a while, though.
>
>BTDT ... you might want to teach your next generation, if you have one, that
>skill/trick, it looks like they may need it.
When I was a kid and we were into building "Forts" I remember gazing
at the nail bins full of virgin 16d commons with something approaching
lust.
We only had benders for our use.
I think that's why it pissed me off so much in later years when I
would run the magnetic broom over the jobsite and find POUNDS of
wasted nails from the framing crews.
Regards,
Tom Watson
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Dec 26, 3:54 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> When I pick up a screw from the floor, it goes into the garbage....
> NOT back into the screw box. My guys are instructed in no uncertain
> term to do the same.
I measure them against one from the bin before putting them back.
> The one thing I still have a real problem with, is cut-offs. At what
> point do I keep it, in what configuration, in what colour...yadda
> yadda. "Wow, this is a nice colour to make a pen out of."
> Then, in my best Lewis Black imitation; " But Nobody IS going to MAKE
> a PEN out of THIS!"
> It then hits the garbage can. Invariably followed by: "Are you
> throwing that out??"
I have half a wall of stacking bins, up to workbench height. For my
most common species I have one for 3/4" and up and one for thins.
Less common have one bin, and really uncommon get mixed together into
one. If it doesn't fit in the bin either it goes in the trash or
something else has to come out of the bin into the trash to make it
fit. I sometimes bend the rules and pile up some scraps on the floor
or somewhere until it's time to clean up, but when I clean up that's
it. It also makes a good place to stack up some boards on top out of
the way.
I'd put them in a scrap box. Then the crew can take them home.
It keeps some handy for them who can sort it in their time.
One of the electricians here does that - old this and that goes into
a trunk. From time to time he goes in and finds an antique whatnot
that saves a customer in a tight. A certain part of his life is
helping others.
Martin
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> Am I the only one who reuses screws?
>
> Just not worth it, especially when you buy fastners by the full box.
>
> Lew
>
>
On Dec 26, 2:28=A0pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> Upscale wrote:
>
> > Of course not! The only time a workshop gets cleaned up is when someone=
is
> > tired of looking for something and that's exactly when you're most unab=
le to
> > find it/them.
>
> Confession time... =A0I used to work that way, not really bad, but messy
> enough. =A0Then, my wife became a fan of the show "Clean House"!
>
I am in the countertop business. Yes.. shock to all.
What that means, is that when I am on my back, popping screws upwards
into the bottom of a countertop, that the screw I reach for, from the
container, is indeed the length of screw I want. There has been a $
500 difference between the 1-1/4 and the 1-1/2 before. The 1-1/2
popped right through the laminate. OR so I'm told.
When I pick up a screw from the floor, it goes into the garbage....
NOT back into the screw box. My guys are instructed in no uncertain
term to do the same.
In fact, the 1-1/4 screws live between the 2 and 3 inch screws. All by
themselves.
The 1-1/2 screws live between the washers and 3/4" screws.
It all makes sense when you think about it. If I can buy 1000 screws
for $ 20.00, why gamble with a $ 1000.00 countertop?
I also leave the last bit in the drill, and the last bit in the
router... because.. what if it is the one you want to use next? (If it
isn't, you still haven't wasted any time.) If there is a bit that
constantly get switched back and forth.. I buy another router. They're
cheap enough and that way the precision routers get less work and let
the HF crap do the dirty work.
When a router gets used, it goes back to where it came from. That way
EVERYbodyin the shop knows where it is and it stops that
'wherethefukkizzit' look... which annoys me because I PAY for that
look.
When I reach for a tool that is supposed to be in a certain place and
it is not...that is okay if it is being used. If it is not being used,
I get real pissy. And when I am pissy, it doesn't take long for the
rest of the guys to start feeling pissy, because it only takes minutes
of my day to ruin somebody else's rest-of-the-day.
In all fairness, they are all getting it now.
The one thing I still have a real problem with, is cut-offs. At what
point do I keep it, in what configuration, in what colour...yadda
yadda. "Wow, this is a nice colour to make a pen out of."
Then, in my best Lewis Black imitation; " But Nobody IS going to MAKE
a PEN out of THIS!"
It then hits the garbage can. Invariably followed by: "Are you
throwing that out??"
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:09:41 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Lew Hodgett" wrote
>
>> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by re-using old
>> screws, and that doesn't include the space required for storage or the
>> time spent trying to reclaim them.
>>
>> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
>> mind?<grin>
>
>Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find what I
>need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the hardware store ...
>and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the middle of doing something in
>the shop than to stop and make an unplanned trip to the hardware store.
At 7 miles one way to the hardware store and a vehicle that gets about
15 MPG it amounts to one gallon of gas to run to the HW store. Add
that price to the two screws that are all I need and they end up
costing about 2 buck each. I'm pretty brutal about tossing any
fastener that looks even slightly corroded or otherwise munged, but my
random collection of total crap has frequently saved a trip and often
saved a project because I'm working on it at 11:00 PM and the store
doesn't open for another 7 hours.
--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>ditto on the t-handled allen keys, Both metric and SAE.
> A couple are extra long with ball ends.
A couple of questions about them. Of what use are the ball ends? Seems to me
a ball end would be less grab of the screw. Are some of the hex slot bottoms
not flat necessitating ball ends? Or perhaps, a ball end enables use of a
allen key on an angle in tight places?
A number of the allen keys I've used twist and sometimes strip. Maybe the
ones I've bought are cheap. I've been considering some of the t-handled
allen keys which are longer and in the event of a strip, I could just cut
that part off and have a new fresh tip.
B A R R Y wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> Am I the only one who reuses screws?
>
> I often toss them during cleanup, unless the bin is already out.
>
> It also depends on the quantity.
...and the quality. I have about a gallon each of assorted
aircraft-grade bolts, nuts, and washers in the shop that my neighbors
occasionally pick through. :)
I generally buy fasteners in 500 or 1000 quantities and dump the boxes
(and the box label) into big rectangular plastic jars (Parmesan cheese
containers from Sams) and carry the whole container to where I'm
working. If I take out a handful they go into the jar lid, and leftovers
get dumped back when I finish.
Screws I didn't buy go into the trash can.
After fighting the Allen wrench battle for too many years, I bought
T-handled wrench sets with bright yellow handles (marked with the size),
which seems to help.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Upscale wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> ditto on the t-handled allen keys, Both metric and SAE.
>> A couple are extra long with ball ends.
>
> A couple of questions about them. Of what use are the ball ends? Seems to me
> a ball end would be less grab of the screw. Are some of the hex slot bottoms
> not flat necessitating ball ends? Or perhaps, a ball end enables use of a
> allen key on an angle in tight places?
The ball end is easier to insert and also allows driving with the shank
at an angle. There is a "waist" above the ball, so quality of the tool
is especially important.
A couple of decades back I visited John Bondhus up in St Cloud,
Minnesota and he gifted me with a set of his screwdriver-handled ball
drivers and told me (with a smile) that they'd never break - and they
not only haven't broken, they haven't worn enough to detect. When I
decided to get the T-handled wrenches, I bought his. As far as I can
tell, these are the same high quality.
> A number of the allen keys I've used twist and sometimes strip. Maybe the
> ones I've bought are cheap. I've been considering some of the t-handled
> allen keys which are longer and in the event of a strip, I could just cut
> that part off and have a new fresh tip.
Treat yourself to a set of the Bondhus ball end drivers. If you can
manage to break one, you can always grind the end square - but I suspect
that won't happen. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
-MIKE- wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>> The ball end is easier to insert and also allows driving with the
>> shank at an angle. There is a "waist" above the ball, so quality of
>> the tool is especially important.
>
> I've never had a problem tightening with a quality ball end, either.
> It's amazing how "little" contact there is between a standard hex Allen
> wrench and the screw's socket. In most cases, I don't think the standard
> end is an advantage.
I just took a look at www.bondhus.com to get myself up to date - and
learned that they come with an unconditional lifetime guarantee.
I also learned that John Bondhus died in 2006 - and I mourn the passing
of one of the very finest mentors/coaches/teachers to ever touch my
life. When John spoke, you could even /hear/ that "Quality" was spelled
with a capital "Q"...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
> Morris, you find some of the most obscure, yet totally useful links.
> Never heard of Bondhus, now I will give their products a go. I sure
> hope that whosoever has taken his place does it with the same
> standards he had. That CNC of mine is peppered with Allen head screws,
> so to invest in a fresh batch of ball-ends would...ermm...almost be
> fun?
I think you'll be (at least) satisfied. I'd never heard of Bondhus,
either, until someone the Minnesota Department of Economic Development
told me to give John a call for advice on getting a fledgling business
off the ground. From then on, the name jumped out at me from just about
every tool catalog I read. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
> I've built entire things out of the bucket 'o crap.
The thing about the bucket of crap is that it's usally crap.
A few years back I standardized in square drive. By comparrison the recyled
pile (oh yes I have one ) is, yes, crap. Not to sound like an advertisement
but it's true. Given the choice of a (even pre-used) Mc Feeley's
square-drive screw and a "lord knows what phillips/slotted"... I'll take the
screw from the proper inventory.
I have been riduculed by my dad for my crappy "spares" collection..... but
I got him using square-drive too :-).
I guess that I fall into the "keep a decent inventory of qaulity fasteners
and the problem becomes moot" camp.
-Steve
On Dec 28, 7:49=A0am, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> Upscale wrote:
> > =A0Or perhaps, a ball end enables use of a
> > allen key on an angle in tight places?
>
> Right! =A0Once the screw bottoms, you'd switch to a standard version.
> Ball end allens are for spinning, not tightening, and save lots of
> effort repositioning the tool.
If you would even try to tighten with a ball-end, you best be buying
lots of them. The balls snap off really easy...or so I'm told.
On Dec 27, 5:27=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> B A R R Y wrote:
>
> > -MIKE- wrote:
> >> Am I the only one who reuses screws?
>
> > I often toss them during cleanup, unless the bin is already out.
>
> > It also depends on the quantity.
>
> ...and the quality. I have about a gallon each of assorted
> aircraft-grade bolts, nuts, and washers in the shop that my neighbors
> occasionally pick through. :)
>
> I generally buy fasteners in 500 or 1000 quantities and dump the boxes
> (and the box label) into big rectangular plastic jars (Parmesan cheese
> containers from Sams) and carry the whole container to where I'm
> working. If I take out a handful they go into the jar lid, and leftovers
> get dumped back when I finish.
>
> Screws I didn't buy go into the trash can.
>
> After fighting the Allen wrench battle for too many years, I bought
> T-handled wrench sets with bright yellow handles (marked with the size),
> which seems to help.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Yup. Ditto on the screws. and ditto on the t-handled allen keys, Both
metric and SAE.
A few that I used often are duplicated in other places. A couple are
extra long with ball ends.
B A R R Y wrote:
> Confession time... I used to work that way, not really bad, but messy
> enough. Then, my wife became a fan of the show "Clean House"!
>
> Over the last several years, I've gotten myself into the habit of
> putting _everything_ away at the end of _every_ session, and normalling
> (slipping in a little sound mixer speak! <G>) all stationary tools.
>
> I've rearranged the shop into short and long term storage (hot and
> cold), with the short term storage as close as possible to where the
> item is used. Why was my HVLP rig stored in the main work area? I even
> got rid of stuff I'll honestly never use again, including some tools.
>
> All the scraps get picked up and filed, and in-progress parts get
> grouped, shrink wrapped, and labeled. I leave myself to-do lists for
> the next session.
>
> I used to call people who did this "anal". Now I realize how little
> time it takes to do, 5-10 minutes per session (one to two beers!), and
> the extra time the habit creates.
>
> I'm not anal, though! 'cause I only vacuum once a month! <G>
I like to try and keep things neat as I work, but when you're up to your
neck in alligators...
I've just spent four hours putting away and organizing the top of my
workbench. I can now use the bench. I'm going to have to come up with
a better storage system as I've run out of room to put thing.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Dec 25, 6:58=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...>>> For every large power tool I =
use, I keep one of those magnetic bowls
> >>> stuck on it. =A0Stuck in the bowl are dedicated tools for any and eve=
ry
> >>> adjustment that can be made.
>
> >> I do the same with dollar store baskets:
>
> >> <http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/428>
>
> > Nice. =A0Looks like the baskets can be had for cheaper than the magnets
> > alone.
>
> There a whole catagory of school supplies called "locker organizers". =A0=
They
> are usually made of plastic and designed to hang off of the side of a met=
al
> locker with internal magnets. =A0I got a bunch of them. Some for the shop=
and
> others in my office attached to the file cabinet next to my desk.
Idea: stolen
On Dec 26, 5:51=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Dec 26, 3:54 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > When I pick up a screw from the floor, it goes into the garbage....
> > NOT back into the screw box. My guys are instructed in no uncertain
> > term to do the same.
>
> I measure them against one from the bin before putting them back.
I do the same thing, sort of. My screw bins have a little measuring
gauge on the front edge of each of them. I file a little notch on one
end, into which the edge of the head slips, and then there is a line
at the end that shows how long the screw should be for that particular
bin. I've also got a "Random Screw" bin that I'll use if length isn't
vital, and which will occasionally get cleaned out and reorganized if
I'm feeling ambitious and not particularly concerned about how much
time is (or isn't!) worth.
JP
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I've just spent four hours putting away and organizing the top of my
> workbench. I can now use the bench. I'm going to have to come up with
> a better storage system as I've run out of room to put thing.
My most enduring problem is the myriad of nuts, bolts and screws that hide
in little pill bottles all over the place. Yup, I've got several of those 64
drawer mini storage things, but the little plastic bottles still multiply
exponentially because there's always more categories of things to store than
there are drawers.
My current plan is to buy some storage that could be considered a little
more along the professional line. The ones I have in mind are more solid,
have better partition capabilities and the best part is that they nest
together. I can buy and add to them as I wish and they'll all match, unlike
my four different versions of 64 drawer thingies that stand out so much
because they're all so different.
On Dec 28, 4:21=A0pm, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > Morris, you find some of the most obscure, yet totally useful links.
> > Never heard of Bondhus, now I will give their products a go. I sure
> > hope that whosoever has taken his place does it with the same
> > standards he had. That CNC of mine is peppered with Allen head screws,
> > so to invest in a fresh batch of ball-ends would...ermm...almost be
> > fun?
>
> I think you'll be (at least) satisfied. I'd never heard of Bondhus,
> either, until someone the Minnesota Department of Economic Development
> told me to give John a call for advice on getting a fledgling business
> off the ground. From then on, the name jumped out at me from just about
> every tool catalog I read. :)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
I have been known to chase a Snap-Off truck to its next stop. Now one
stops here.
He's a grinning bastard.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Bet you have an IP camera permanently trained on that garbage
>> can ~ don't you?
> Naa.. I trust my guys.
Yup, and I trust my cat not to go rummaging in the garbage can, but I still
put the lid on it. :)
On Dec 28, 9:34=A0am, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> Why didn't I think of that?? <head slap>
Come on Lee.. try one of my head slaps..<G>
>
On Dec 28, 7:24=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" =A0wrote
>
> I have been known to chase a Snap-Off truck to its next stop. Now one
> stops here.
> He's a grinning bastard.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Robatoy, a Snap On Stalker? .........., it makes sense.
heheheh... I just love the way that strong cold chrome wrench slides
in my hands....wait...wRench??? I meant WENCH!...Have I been doing
this all wrong all these years?? WENCH, dammit...not WRENCH...
"John O. Kopf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Lowell Holmes wrote:
>
>> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden
>> spokeshave (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or
>> sharpening is required?
>
> If the handle is wooden, drill an axial hole (i.e., along the length) of
> the handle, that's a press fit for the Allen wrench shaft.
>
> John Kopf
I've had that in mind, but have been hesitant to drill holes in my new toy.
The Allen wrench is 1/16 or so, the hole would not have to be large. I can
experiment with a scrap to determine the proper hole size.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
I also leave the last bit in the drill, and the last bit in the
router... because.. what if it is the one you want to use next?
Depends on how much time is wasted looking in the drill index for a bit that
is still in the drill or having to remove the existing drill bit, put it in
the drill index and chucking a different size. Guess it depends on how often
a particular size is use AND how pissy your are with your rules.
Then, in my best Lewis Black imitation; " But Nobody IS going to MAKE
a PEN out of THIS!" It then hits the garbage can.
Bet you have an IP camera permanently trained on that garbage can ~ don't
you?
On 12/27/08 5:13 PMDec 27, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote
>>>
>>>> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by
>>>> re-using old screws, and that doesn't include the space required
>>>> for storage or the time spent trying to reclaim them.
>>>>
>>>> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
>>>> mind?<grin>
>>>
>>> Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find
>>> what I need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the
>>> hardware store ... and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the
>>> middle of doing something in the shop than to stop and make an
>>> unplanned trip to the hardware store.
>>>
>
> My problem is that I can't _find_ the golden bucket 'o crap. I know
> it's here somewhere, in the golden shelves 'o crap or the golden attic
> 'o crap or the golden garage 'o crap or the golden SUV 'o crap. Oh,
> and the golden pile 'o crap behind the garage.
My problem is which golden bucket of crap? I grew up on a farm, which meant
a long trip if we needed something that wasn't at hand and a STRONG
propensity to improvise and make do.
But I have come to realize that for me today, sorting through the
miscellaneous crap is just not worth it. If I have some extra parts that are
standardize sizes, I through them into the appropriate bin. But it is a few
left over pieces parts, I keep them for a few days just to make sure I
didn't forget something and then discard.
Lowell Holmes wrote:
> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden
> spokeshave (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or
> sharpening is required?
If the handle is wooden, drill an axial hole (i.e., along the length) of
the handle, that's a press fit for the Allen wrench shaft.
John Kopf
Upscale wrote:
> "Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> I've just spent four hours putting away and organizing the top of my
>> workbench. I can now use the bench. I'm going to have to come up with
>> a better storage system as I've run out of room to put thing.
>
> My most enduring problem is the myriad of nuts, bolts and screws that hide
> in little pill bottles all over the place.
I gotta' admit...
I gave a bunch of that stuff away. What nobody wanted got recycled.
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Do you have a military mindset in your workshop: "A place for everything,
> and every thing in its place?"
>
> If so, just keep an extra 1/16 allen wrench in/on the same drawer, shelf,
> box, right next to the spokeshave.
>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> [email protected]
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
No military mindset here. Everything does have it's place though. The
problem is that items that while rarely used items are always in their
place,that my age I don't always remember where that is. :-)
I'll keep an extra wrench around just in case.
Upscale wrote:
>
> Of course not! The only time a workshop gets cleaned up is when someone is
> tired of looking for something and that's exactly when you're most unable to
> find it/them.
Confession time... I used to work that way, not really bad, but messy
enough. Then, my wife became a fan of the show "Clean House"!
Over the last several years, I've gotten myself into the habit of
putting _everything_ away at the end of _every_ session, and normalling
(slipping in a little sound mixer speak! <G>) all stationary tools.
I've rearranged the shop into short and long term storage (hot and
cold), with the short term storage as close as possible to where the
item is used. Why was my HVLP rig stored in the main work area? I even
got rid of stuff I'll honestly never use again, including some tools.
All the scraps get picked up and filed, and in-progress parts get
grouped, shrink wrapped, and labeled. I leave myself to-do lists for
the next session.
I used to call people who did this "anal". Now I realize how little
time it takes to do, 5-10 minutes per session (one to two beers!), and
the extra time the habit creates.
I'm not anal, though! 'cause I only vacuum once a month! <G>
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Very pissy. I pay for that right. And pissy does not equal
>>> unreasonable.
>>
>> I guess that all depends on whether you're the pisser or the pissee.
>>
> Well, technically speaking, Robatoy would be both!
That "Depends" ...
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
-MIKE- wrote:
>>> For every large power tool I use, I keep one of those magnetic bowls
>>> stuck on it. Stuck in the bowl are dedicated tools for any and every
>>> adjustment that can be made.
>>
>> I do the same with dollar store baskets:
>>
>> <http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/428>
>
>
> Nice. Looks like the baskets can be had for cheaper than the magnets
> alone.
They can... <G>
The magnets often need to glued, as the Chinese factory can be hit and
miss. I had some that fell off the tool, leaving all the magnets still
stuck on the tool.
Larger holes, to allow a screwdriver shaft or wrench handle to hang
through, are easily made with wire cutters.
In article <[email protected]>, sawdust-
[email protected] says...
> I have been riduculed by my dad for my crappy "spares" collection..... but
> I got him using square-drive too :-).
meaning Robertson?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Yep, that's why we had one. I'm guessing it had bolts from the 1920's
> and '30s as well. Problem was, by the time you found something that sort
> of worked, you could have made the trip to town and back with the right
> thing.
Farm kid, depression parent, casket/furniture maker and once pro-
mechanic, my grandfather's, junk storage was as orderly as his new
materials storage. Bins, boxes, jars of everything neatly stored and
kept in separate places. The rest of his life was chaos but blind drunk
he could find what he wanted in the shop and turn out little wonders and
marvellous jerry rig improvs.
Anything unusable got tossed in a drum and was eventually carted off to
the scrapyard.
Bob Haar wrote:
> On 12/27/08 5:13 PMDec 27, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote
>>>>
>>>>> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by
>>>>> re-using old screws, and that doesn't include the space required
>>>>> for storage or the time spent trying to reclaim them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
>>>>> mind?<grin>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find
>>>> what I need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the
>>>> hardware store ... and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the
>>>> middle of doing something in the shop than to stop and make an
>>>> unplanned trip to the hardware store.
>>>>
>
>>
>> My problem is that I can't _find_ the golden bucket 'o crap. I know
>> it's here somewhere, in the golden shelves 'o crap or the golden attic
>> 'o crap or the golden garage 'o crap or the golden SUV 'o crap. Oh,
>> and the golden pile 'o crap behind the garage.
>
> My problem is which golden bucket of crap? I grew up on a farm, which
> meant a long trip if we needed something that wasn't at hand and a STRONG
> propensity to improvise and make do.
>
Yep, that's why we had one. I'm guessing it had bolts from the 1920's
and '30s as well. Problem was, by the time you found something that sort
of worked, you could have made the trip to town and back with the right
thing. OTOH, growing up being raised by depression-era parents made a
definite impression on me. It just feels *wrong* to throw anything out.
The only exception I've found for that was, after discovering McFeeley's
screws, throwing away the big-box store screws (brand new) that would break
even when being driven into a pilot hole and/or cam-out so bad you couldn't
use them. I've never been more happy throwing something away.
> But I have come to realize that for me today, sorting through the
> miscellaneous crap is just not worth it. If I have some extra parts that
> are standardize sizes, I through them into the appropriate bin. But it is
> a few left over pieces parts, I keep them for a few days just to make sure
> I didn't forget something and then discard.
Same here. One of the redeeming graces to throwing that stuff away is
that it is usually such cheap, poorly made crap, I wouldn't trust it for
any kind of mission critical application other that it's original intended
use (and sometimes that's questionable)
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
C & S wrote:
>>
>> I've built entire things out of the bucket 'o crap.
>
> The thing about the bucket of crap is that it's usally crap.
>
Growing up, we had a couple of buckets o' crap. You are absolutely
correct, those buckets had exactly two sizes when you were looking for a
bolt to fix some piece of machinery: too big and too small. When I look
back at all the afternoons spent sifting through the BofC and PofC (pan of
crap), the money saved in time wasted by having had a good inventory of
fasteners on hand would have been significant.
> A few years back I standardized in square drive. By comparrison the
> recyled
> pile (oh yes I have one ) is, yes, crap. Not to sound like an
> advertisement
> but it's true. Given the choice of a (even pre-used) Mc Feeley's
> square-drive screw and a "lord knows what phillips/slotted"... I'll take
> the screw from the proper inventory.
>
> I have been riduculed by my dad for my crappy "spares" collection.....
> but I got him using square-drive too :-).
>
> I guess that I fall into the "keep a decent inventory of qaulity fasteners
> and the problem becomes moot" camp.
>
> -Steve
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "MikeWhy" wrote:
>
>> At 4 cents to 10 cents a piece for just zinc plated steel, I have a
>> difficult time just throwing them away when nothing at all is wrong with
>> them. It depends what you took them out of, of course.
>
> Buy in full box quantities and then check your pricing.
About $4 to $10 per box of a hundred. Thems are cheap. The only cheaper I
find are cases of 4000 to 12000 each.
Lowell Holmes wrote:
> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden
> spokeshave (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or
> sharpening is required?
What I did with the Allen wrench that came with my Knight smoothing plane
was to shape a wood shoe on which to store the plane that had a notch cut
out to keep the blade from contacting the surface and a hole drilled in one
end into which I put the Allen wrench. You could probably do something
similar for the spokeshave
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Not only the normal stuff in Imperial but in metric is starting for me -
as I scrap out old stuff...
I have a lot of custom designed nuts and bolts and rods collected over
60 years or so myself and some from Dad.
I had a nice stack of army trunks (three Air force!) and hated to move and
pickup some being heavy.
So those are now stacked 3 high 3 wide and back to back (doubling a side)
with them on their sides - lids open outwards. Lids keep dust out...
I have added blocks that spread the weight and downwards. Handy storage now.
I have 3 33 drawer file cabinets that each drawer holds a ream of paper. One
legal. One is sorted well. The other two need time.
A local hardwood store had a 5 foot tall stack of bins - across the back -
if I had known - it was penny on several dollars sale when they went out.
Rats!
Martin
B A R R Y wrote:
> Upscale wrote:
>> "Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> I've just spent four hours putting away and organizing the top of my
>>> workbench. I can now use the bench. I'm going to have to come up with
>>> a better storage system as I've run out of room to put thing.
>>
>> My most enduring problem is the myriad of nuts, bolts and screws that
>> hide
>> in little pill bottles all over the place.
>
> I gotta' admit...
>
> I gave a bunch of that stuff away. What nobody wanted got recycled.
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Do you have a military mindset in your workshop: "A place for everything,
>> and every thing in its place?"
>>
>> If so, just keep an extra 1/16 allen wrench in/on the same drawer, shelf,
>> box, right next to the spokeshave.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -MIKE-
>>
>> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
>> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
>> --
>> http://mikedrums.com
>> [email protected]
>> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
>
> No military mindset here. Everything does have it's place though. The
> problem is that items that while rarely used items are always in their
> place,that my age I don't always remember where that is. :-)
>
> I'll keep an extra wrench around just in case.
Clip one to each tape measure? That way, you'll be sure to find a tape
measure, the one missing the allen key, when you want to adjust the shave.
"Martin H. Eastburn" wrote
> I have 3 33 drawer file cabinets that each drawer holds a ream of paper.
> One legal. One is sorted well. The other two need time.
I've taken to keeping all my routers (6), corded drills (3) and circle saws
(2) in a large two drawer legal sized filing cabinet I've set on a shop made
wooden, mobile base with those big neoprene casters. Metal, sturdy, easily
locked, it's really come in handy the last two moves. Also keeps the easily
stolen tools out of view from the occasional visitor from the construction
business, many of whom are less than savory characters.
You can see it, tucked out of the way under the wall bench, just behind the
clamp rack:
http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/TempShop3.jpg
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"-MIKE-" wrote:
> I hear you.
>
> I have a bunch of those little gray hanging containers from HF. I
> guy the 24 pack, just about every time it's on sale for 6 bucks.
> I've gotten into the habit of pulling a few for any project/process
> and having them there for misc pieces/parts. I always have a half
> dozen or so at the top of the rack, just for used fasteners.
> Whenever I'm throwing something together, I always scan those bins
> first, before moving to the new ones.
My money says you spend more on containers than you save by re-using
old screws, and that doesn't include the space required for storage or
the time spent trying to reclaim them.
Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
mind?<grin>
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" wrote
> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by re-using old
> screws, and that doesn't include the space required for storage or the
> time spent trying to reclaim them.
>
> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
> mind?<grin>
Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find what I
need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the hardware store ...
and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the middle of doing something in
the shop than to stop and make an unplanned trip to the hardware store.
--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Last time I cleaned my shop, I couldn't find a darn thing. :-)
Of course not! The only time a workshop gets cleaned up is when someone is
tired of looking for something and that's exactly when you're most unable to
find it/them.
On Dec 28, 7:27=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Robatoy" =A0wrote
>
> Morris, you find some of the most obscure, yet totally useful links.
> Never heard of Bondhus, now I will give their products a go. I sure
> hope that whosoever has taken his place does it with the same
> standards he had. That CNC of mine is peppered with Allen head screws,
> so to invest in a fresh batch of ball-ends would...ermm...almost be
> fun?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I was almost gonna kid you about this.
>
> But............., =A0a quality machine like that REQUIRES quality tools t=
o
> take care of it. To do less would risk the ire of the Tool Gods.
>
> You have been warned.
I agree. No point in touching a precision instrument with anything
less than a quality tool. *smirk*
I mean... would you bow a Guarneri cello with anything less than a bow
made from the tail of a virgin Arabian mare?
.
.
.
.
I thought not.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 29, 8:01 am, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> The balls snap off really easy...or so I'm told.
>> Snapped off balls are a pain...
>
> Please tell me you only know this because somebody told you?
Fortunately, I don't personally know it to be true...
Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> I used to put together dumbells for commercial gyms many years ago. The
> allen wrench provided for the dumbells were chap junk that twisted and died
> in short order. Iused to buy the most expensive allen wrenches I could find
> at an industrial tool supply house.
>
From my r/c racing days, I have a set of smaller sizes ground from
hardened drill blanks. It's amazing how bad a typical allen wrench can
be...
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lowell Holmes wrote:
>> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden
>> spokeshave (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or
>> sharpening is required?
>>
>
> I don't know about something that little, however, it may be possible to
> replace whatever it is with something that can be hand/finger tightened.
>
> For every large power tool I use, I keep one of those magnetic bowls stuck
> on it. Stuck in the bowl are dedicated tools for any and every adjustment
> that can be made. Allen wrenches, box wrenches, whatever is needed to
> make any adjustment is there so i don't have to go looking for it. I also
> mark with a sharpie, the size of the nut or set screw for each adjustment,
> right next to it on the machine.
>
> It's amazing how much time and frustration that can save.
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> [email protected]
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
Good thinking :-)
On Dec 26, 4:26=A0pm, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> I also leave the last bit in the drill, and the last bit in the
> router... because.. what if it is the one you want to use next?
>
> Depends on how much time is wasted looking in the drill index for a bit t=
hat
> is still in the drill or having to remove the existing drill bit, put it =
in
> the drill index and chucking a different size.
But if you look in the drill first?
>Guess it depends on how often
> a particular size is use AND how pissy your are with your rules.
Very pissy. I pay for that right. And pissy does not equal
unreasonable.
>
>
> Bet you have an IP camera permanently trained on that garbage can ~ don't
> you?
Naa.. I trust my guys.
Morris Dovey wrote:
>
> ....and the quality. I have about a gallon each of assorted
> aircraft-grade bolts, nuts, and washers in the shop that my neighbors
> occasionally pick through. :)
I hear that!
For non-critical, common-sense uses, there are rumors of an
"FAA-Approved Hardware and Bulb Department" at Home Depot and Acme Auto.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> Am I the only one who reuses screws?
>
> Just not worth it, especially when you buy fastners by the full box.
At 4 cents to 10 cents a piece for just zinc plated steel, I have a
difficult time just throwing them away when nothing at all is wrong with
them. It depends what you took them out of, of course.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Very pissy. I pay for that right. And pissy does not equal
> unreasonable.
I guess that all depends on whether you're the pisser or the pissee.
Lowell Holmes wrote:
> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden spokeshave
> (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or sharpening is
> required?
>
>
>
It depends...
Are you into body piercing? ;-)
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Dec 26, 5:55=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> Very pissy. I pay for that right. And pissy does not equal
> >> unreasonable.
>
> > I guess that all depends on whether you're the pisser or the pissee.
>
> Well, technically speaking, Robatoy would be both!
I'd rather be pissed off than pissed on.
On Dec 26, 6:12=A0pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> Very pissy. I pay for that right. And pissy does not equal
> >>> unreasonable.
>
> >> I guess that all depends on whether you're the pisser or the pissee.
>
> > Well, technically speaking, Robatoy would be both!
>
> That "Depends" ...
>
On what?
On Dec 29, 8:01=A0am, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> > =A0The balls snap off really easy...or so I'm told.
>
> Snapped off balls are a pain...
Please tell me you only know this because somebody told you?
On Dec 25, 12:38=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lowell Holmes wrote:
> > Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden spoke=
shave
> > (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or sharpening is
> > required?
>
> I don't know about something that little, however, it may be possible to
> replace whatever it is with something that can be hand/finger tightened.
>
> For every large power tool I use, I keep one of those magnetic bowls
> stuck on it. =A0Stuck in the bowl are dedicated tools for any and every
> adjustment that can be made. =A0Allen wrenches, box wrenches, whatever is
> needed to make any adjustment is there so i don't have to go looking for
> it. =A0I also mark with a sharpie, the size of the nut or set screw for
> each adjustment, right next to it on the machine.
>
> It's amazing how much time and frustration that can save.
Magnetic bases from old CB antennas make good
tool hangers / parts holders.
Lowell Holmes wrote:
> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden spokeshave
> (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or sharpening is
> required?
>
I don't know about something that little, however, it may be possible to
replace whatever it is with something that can be hand/finger tightened.
For every large power tool I use, I keep one of those magnetic bowls
stuck on it. Stuck in the bowl are dedicated tools for any and every
adjustment that can be made. Allen wrenches, box wrenches, whatever is
needed to make any adjustment is there so i don't have to go looking for
it. I also mark with a sharpie, the size of the nut or set screw for
each adjustment, right next to it on the machine.
It's amazing how much time and frustration that can save.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
>> For every large power tool I use, I keep one of those magnetic bowls
>> stuck on it. Stuck in the bowl are dedicated tools for any and every
>> adjustment that can be made.
>
> I do the same with dollar store baskets:
>
> <http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/428>
Nice. Looks like the baskets can be had for cheaper than the magnets
alone.
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Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> <http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/428>
>>
>> Nice. Looks like the baskets can be had for cheaper than the magnets
>> alone.
>>
>>
> There a whole catagory of school supplies called "locker organizers". They
> are usually made of plastic and designed to hang off of the side of a metal
> locker with internal magnets. I got a bunch of them. Some for the shop and
> others in my office attached to the file cabinet next to my desk.
>
How are the magnets, strength-wise?
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Lowell Holmes wrote:
> I've had that in mind, but have been hesitant to drill holes in my new toy.
> The Allen wrench is 1/16 or so, the hole would not have to be large. I can
> experiment with a scrap to determine the proper hole size.
>
Do you have a military mindset in your workshop: "A place for
everything, and every thing in its place?"
If so, just keep an extra 1/16 allen wrench in/on the same drawer,
shelf, box, right next to the spokeshave.
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Lowell Holmes wrote:
> No military mindset here. Everything does have it's place though. The
> problem is that items that while rarely used items are always in their
> place,that my age I don't always remember where that is. :-)
>
Last time I cleaned my shop, I couldn't find a darn thing. :-)
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>> Last time I cleaned my shop, I couldn't find a darn thing. :-)
>>
>
> Cleaning (verb): (a) Removing the dust from something, such as your short
> term memory. (b) Hiding things from yourself. (c) The act of moving things
> in order to destroy one's short to medium term memories of item location.
>
> See also: Organization
>
> Puckdropper
Excellent.
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Am I the only one who reuses screws?
Not for important stuff, but certain for jigs and other insignificant stuff.
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-MIKE- wrote:
> Am I the only one who reuses screws?
> Not for important stuff, but certain for jigs and other
> insignificant
> stuff.
Depends on the screws. Machine screws that aren't buggered up yes.
But I've spun the heads off of enough good quality screws on the
second use to not want the hassle--it's not the putting them in that's
the issue, it's getting the thing apart later.
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Swingman wrote:
> clamp rack:
>
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/images/TempShop3.jpg
>
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's clamps.
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>> Am I the only one who reuses screws?
>
> Just not worth it, especially when you buy fastners by the full box.
>
> Lew
>
I hear you.
I have a bunch of those little gray hanging containers from HF. I guy
the 24 pack, just about every time it's on sale for 6 bucks. I've
gotten into the habit of pulling a few for any project/process and
having them there for misc pieces/parts. I always have a half dozen or
so at the top of the rack, just for used fasteners. Whenever I'm
throwing something together, I always scan those bins first, before
moving to the new ones.
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> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by re-using
> old screws, and that doesn't include the space required for storage or
> the time spent trying to reclaim them.
>
> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
> mind?<grin>
>
>
> Lew
>
Guilty as charged!
You're right. I'm dumping then, next time I'm out there.
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Swingman wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote
>
>> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by re-using old
>> screws, and that doesn't include the space required for storage or the
>> time spent trying to reclaim them.
>>
>> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
>> mind?<grin>
>
> Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find what I
> need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the hardware store ...
> and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the middle of doing something in
> the shop than to stop and make an unplanned trip to the hardware store.
>
I've built entire things out of the bucket 'o crap.
Stop it, though, you're turning me back to the dark side. :-)
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-MIKE- wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote
>>
>>> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by
>>> re-using old screws, and that doesn't include the space required
>>> for storage or the time spent trying to reclaim them.
>>>
>>> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
>>> mind?<grin>
>>
>> Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find
>> what I need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the
>> hardware store ... and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the
>> middle of doing something in the shop than to stop and make an
>> unplanned trip to the hardware store.
>>
>
> I've built entire things out of the bucket 'o crap.
>
> Stop it, though, you're turning me back to the dark side. :-)
My problem is that I can't _find_ the golden bucket 'o crap. I know
it's here somewhere, in the golden shelves 'o crap or the golden attic
'o crap or the golden garage 'o crap or the golden SUV 'o crap. Oh,
and the golden pile 'o crap behind the garage.
I GOTTA dump some 'o crap.
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I still have the GBoC. Haven't quite worked up to Dad's GBoC (Golden Barrel
of Crap). His started during the depression when materials were a lot more
expensive that labor.
I understand the rational of tossing GBoC, but its such an instilled
habit that I can't break it.
On the other hand, I did finally break one of Dads other habits:
straightening and re-using bent nails. Took a while, though.
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B A R R Y wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>> I used to put together dumbells for commercial gyms many years ago.
>> The allen wrench provided for the dumbells were chap junk that
>> twisted and died in short order. Iused to buy the most expensive
>> allen wrenches I could find at an industrial tool supply house.
>>
>
> From my r/c racing days, I have a set of smaller sizes ground from
> hardened drill blanks. It's amazing how bad a typical allen wrench
> can be...
Most of them are deliberately made soft enough that in theory the
wrench gets buggered up instead of the screw.
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Morris Dovey wrote:
> The ball end is easier to insert and also allows driving with the shank
> at an angle. There is a "waist" above the ball, so quality of the tool
> is especially important.
>
I've never had a problem tightening with a quality ball end, either.
It's amazing how "little" contact there is between a standard hex Allen
wrench and the screw's socket. In most cases, I don't think the standard
end is an advantage.
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-MIKE- wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
>> The ball end is easier to insert and also allows driving with the
>> shank at an angle. There is a "waist" above the ball, so quality of
>> the tool is especially important.
>>
>
> I've never had a problem tightening with a quality ball end, either.
> It's amazing how "little" contact there is between a standard hex
> Allen wrench and the screw's socket. In most cases, I don't think
> the
> standard end is an advantage.
If the recess is deep enough to admit the entire ball, it's difficult
for it to cam out as well.
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"Swingman" wrote:
> Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find
> what I need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the
> hardware store ... and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the
> middle of doing something in the shop than to stop and make an
> unplanned trip to the hardware store.
Understand; however, does that old saying that goes something like,
"Your lack of planning is not my problem", come to mind?<grin>
Seriously, have been in once of those "Ah Shit" moments a few times,
but have found that standardizing on a few faatners and then making
sure they are in stock gooes a long way.
I sometimes find myself working in metal, fiberglass, and/or wood, a
lot of it for a boat.
As a result, have standardized on stainless seel. coarse thread, self
tapping, sheet metal screws in both pan head and flat head.
Purchasing standard box quantities keeps costs in line.
Stock 3/4", 1-1/4", 1-1/2" and 2" lengths.
Surprising how few times I don't find something thast works for the
job at hand.
YMMV
And yes, also have a mason jar full of odd ball left overs, just in
case<grin>, but NO steel..
Lew
A verrry thinly veiled drive-by.
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden
spokeshave
> (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or sharpening is
> required?
>
>
>
"Frank Stutzman" wrote
> On the other hand, I did finally break one of Dads other habits:
> straightening and re-using bent nails. Took a while, though.
BTDT ... you might want to teach your next generation, if you have one, that
skill/trick, it looks like they may need it.
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:21:12 GMT, "Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden spokeshave
>(Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or sharpening is
>required?
>
>
I use a lot of stuff on the lathe that use different size allen wrenches, so I
have a dedicated magnetic tool holder over the workbench for them..
I try to either label the place they go or stick the extra bits or whatever near
them, so I can just reach for the one that I need..
The other option is to open the drawer on the tool chest and find the right size
in the pile of allen wrenches, but that just takes too much time if it's a tool
that you use often..
For things that I use a LOT, like the olan tools or hollowing tools, I stick
those wrenches on rare earth magnets on the lathe stand.. YMWV
Did Santa bring those spoke shaves for trimming your Baltic birch? lol
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 17:21:12 GMT, "Lowell Holmes"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden spokeshave
>(Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or sharpening is
>required?
>
>
If you find you need that allen wrench everytime you use your
spokeshave, make a wooden custom storage box for both items. In the
meantime, keep both spokeshave and wrench in the orginal box. It
might help to mark the special wrench with a dab of bright nail
polish--small allen wrenches can hide.
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lowell Holmes wrote:
>
>> Where do you keep the tiny Allen wrench that came with the wooden
>> spokeshave (Christmas gift) so you will have it when adjustment or
>> sharpening is required?
>
> What I did with the Allen wrench that came with my Knight smoothing plane
> was to shape a wood shoe on which to store the plane that had a notch cut
> out to keep the blade from contacting the surface and a hole drilled in
> one
> end into which I put the Allen wrench. You could probably do something
> similar for the spokeshave
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
That might work. Thanks.
"Lew Hodgett" wrote
> RE: Subject
>
> In the shelf box labeled "Allen Keys" where all the other allen keys are
> kept so they don't get lonely.<G>
Exactly! ... Every Allen wrench for the last 30 years has gone into one box,
and, as a result, I know where every Allen wrench for every tool I own, or
have ever owned, is.
It takes some sorting on occasion to grab the right one, but at least I know
it's in that box, and nowhere else.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"MikeWhy" wrote:
> About $4 to $10 per box of a hundred. Thems are cheap. The only
> cheaper I find are cases of 4000 to 12000 each.
I must admit I've been living off my inventory for a while. so I'm
probably not up to date; however, if you invest in $10 worth of
fasteners for a project, it still gets lost in the wash compared to
the other costs (wood, hardware, finishing materials, etc) involved in
a project.
Lew
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> Swingman wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett" wrote
>>
>>> My money says you spend more on containers than you save by re-using old
>>> screws, and that doesn't include the space required for storage or the
>>> time spent trying to reclaim them.
>>>
>>> Does the term "pack rat" or "I might need that someday" come to
>>> mind?<grin>
>>
>> Tom Watson's "Golden Bucket of Crap", in which I can generally find what
>> I need in a pinch, has saved many an unplanned trip to the hardware store
>> ... and there is NOTHING more aggravating in the middle of doing
>> something in the shop than to stop and make an unplanned trip to the
>> hardware store.
>>
>
> I've built entire things out of the bucket 'o crap.
>
> Stop it, though, you're turning me back to the dark side. :-)
About once every 20 years I chunk the GB'oC and start over. When I moved the
shop back in October I took the opportunity to chunk the old and start
growing the new ... it's not bucket size yet, only Glad, throwaway plastic
container size, but it's growing.
... and the unplanned trips to the hardware store are getting noticeable
fewer as the "Buy 10 to get 4, Rule of Hardware Purchase" kicks in.
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"Swingman" wrote:
> Exactly! ... Every Allen wrench for the last 30 years has gone into
> one box, and, as a result, I know where every Allen wrench for every
> tool I own, or have ever owned, is.
>
> It takes some sorting on occasion to grab the right one, but at
> least I know it's in that box, and nowhere else.
I forgot.
These days the box is divided into two compartments.
One is for metric.
Lew