Bush DOES NOT own a lumber company, that was a Kerry lie

"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <n8fdd.2550$TU5.1864@trndny06>, [email protected]
> says...
> >
> > Here are a few of Kerry's lies:
> >
> > 1. GWB has a secret plan to deny senior citizens their Social Security.
> >
> > 2. GWB has a secret plan to reinstate the draft.
> >
> > 3. GWB has a secret plan to deny minorities the right to vote.
> >
> Well, let's see. If the plans are "secret", how do you know they don't
> exist?
>
> Not denying Kerry lies, as does Bush. Just laughing at your logic :-).
>
> --
> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Larry,

Here's laughing right back at you. Since they are "secret" How does Kerry know about them. Was he invited to the "secret" planning
meetings? This whole election is becoming a joke.

The latest is that the DNC has recruited 10,000 lawyers to be disbursed to the polling places to make sure that everyone who WANTS
to vote democratic can. Not EVERYONE or everyone who is legally eligible to vote, just those who want to vote for the democrats.
It looks like the after election folly this year will make 2000 look like a dream election.

--
Al Reid

A government big enough to give you everything you want...
is big enough to take away everything you have."

"GregP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 19 Oct 2004 15:04:32 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Bush has spent about 90% of the waking hours of his * entire
> adminstration* out on the road, either campaigning or "on vacation."
>
No. No, he hasn't. If you're going to exaggerate, at least make it
believable.

--
Kevin
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www.freerepublic.com
www.glennbeck.com
www.factcheck.org

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:34:57 GMT, Joe_Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> Clinton - democrat - good
> Bush - republican - bad
> Kerry - democrat - good

> Get the picture? Good always beats bad in the end.

Yeah, it's clear what you use to make your decisions. Too bad you don't
look at, you know, who misses 76% of the senate intelligence committee
meetings he's supposed to go to, and then quits, and then pretends to care
about that sort of stuff when it's time to lie about it during the
Presidential race.

In article <BX%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Clinton - democrat - good
> Bush - republican - bad
> Kerry - democrat - good
>
There's no such thing as a good politician, especially at the
presidential candidate level. It's always a question of the lesser of
two evils.

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:24:04 -0400, GregP <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2004 15:04:32 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Yeah, it's clear what you use to make your decisions. Too bad you don't
>>look at, you know, who misses 76% of the senate intelligence committee
>>meetings he's supposed to go to, and then quits, and then pretends to care
>>about that sort of stuff when it's time to lie about it during the
>>Presidential race.
>
> Bush has spent about 90% of the waking hours of his * entire
> adminstration* out on the road, either campaigning or "on vacation."

Funny how the same people who complain that he was "on vacation"
also complain about a particular briefing that happened while he
was _on "vacation"_. He was doing his job while not in Washington.
Kerry didn't do his job when he missed the intelligence committee
meetings; his job was to be present for them, he missed 76% of
them, then he quit entirely, and now he pretends to care about it.

If you really think any President gets an actual _vacation_ when
they're away from Washington DC, you're delusional.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:32:31 -0400, Kevin Singleton <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GregP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 19 Oct 2004 15:04:32 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Bush has spent about 90% of the waking hours of his * entire
>> adminstration* out on the road, either campaigning or "on vacation."
>>
> No. No, he hasn't. If you're going to exaggerate, at least make it
> believable.

He won't. He can't. When one has to resort to lies about the person
you don't like, it's an admission that you can't argue based on facts.
Consider his viewpoint and the value thereof accordingly.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:15:51 -0400, GregP <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2004 19:31:39 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Funny how the same people who complain that he was "on vacation"
>>also complain about a particular briefing that happened while he
>>was _on "vacation"_. He was doing his job while not in Washington.
>
> He was "working ?" Bullpucky.

So why is he taking briefings if he's not working? How do you define "working"?

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:16:17 -0400, GregP <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:32:31 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>No. No, he hasn't. If you're going to exaggerate, at least make it
>>believable.
>
> 95 % ?

Cite, please. Translation: Bullshit. Back up your statement or retract it.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:18:56 -0400, GregP <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2004 19:35:17 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>He won't. He can't. When one has to resort to lies about the person
>>you don't like, it's an admission that you can't argue based on facts.
>>Consider his viewpoint and the value thereof accordingly.
>
> Did you start this thread, with its dishonest title ? If not, why
> did you not question it ?

I didn't know I was required to initiate a thread on Usenet in order to
be allowed to post into it. Perhaps you can show me where that's in any
guideline at all?

> Where is your moral & intellectual
> integrity & honesty in this ? Same place as the chickenhawks',
> most likely.

What, that Bush's holdings are in a blind trust? I'm comfortable with that
fact. Why does it matter to you? Why do you tolerate your boy missing all
those meetings, but have to lie about Bush to further your weak point?

In article <n8fdd.2550$TU5.1864@trndny06>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Here are a few of Kerry's lies:
>
> 1. GWB has a secret plan to deny senior citizens their Social Security.
>
> 2. GWB has a secret plan to reinstate the draft.
>
> 3. GWB has a secret plan to deny minorities the right to vote.
>
Well, let's see. If the plans are "secret", how do you know they don't
exist?

Not denying Kerry lies, as does Bush. Just laughing at your logic :-).

--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?

Clinton - democrat - good
Bush - republican - bad
Kerry - democrat - good

Get the picture? Good always beats bad in the end.

Robert Galloway wrote:

> Doesn't make much sense but Bush is the guy I feel like I could spend an
> evening drinking beer and arguing with. Kerry???? I don't get that
> feeling.
>
> bob g.
> Sometimes you sink or swim with your own kind.
>
>
The cool thing about that is you would probably win all the arguments
with Bush.

You know, Bush went to boarding school in the NE. He then went to
college at Yale. His brother doesn't have the "Tex" accent. I would
rather drink with a person that was himself and not his portrayal of an
image of what he wants to appear to be.

Like said earlier, both of them are millionaires who don't have a clue
what a loaf of bread costs or a gallon of gas, unless their advisors are
smart enough to keep telling them.

I'd rather drink with a working man (vs a politician) any day.

Rich

"GregP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> 95 % ?
>
I wonder if there's a woodshop in the White House?

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www.glennbeck.com
www.factcheck.org

Doesn't make much sense but Bush is the guy I feel like I could spend an
evening drinking beer and arguing with. Kerry???? I don't get that
feeling.

bob g.
Sometimes you sink or swim with your own kind.

T. Nguyen wrote:

> Actually its the comparison of one Democrat that represents the body,
> and one Republican that represents the body.
> ====================================================================
>
> Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... -
> -
> Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
> Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
> Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists
> - good...
> Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
> Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
> Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad..
> ====================================================================
> No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
> No WMD found Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Stock market crashes in 99/2000 under Clinton - good...
> Economy grows faster and stronger than it has in 20 years under Bush -
> bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
> World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
> Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
> Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
> Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
> Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax
> burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This
> is
> the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the
> government. This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the
> earliest it has been since 1991.
> It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice
> anything special about those dates?
> (Hint who took over in 92, and who left in 2000 . . a Democrat)
> ====================================================================
> Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
> actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave
> no explanation and provided no data for this claim.
> ====================================================================
> Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy
> men.
>
> Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions,
> all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an
> old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average
> A-frame).
> ====================================================================
> Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
> sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has
> figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:31:16 -0400, Paul Kierstead <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (T. Nguyen) wrote:
>
>> Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
>> sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has
>> figured out a way to avoid paying his own.
>
> His wife has the big bucks. I don't suppose you want to list combined
> taxes. In either case:
>

What I've always thought was interesting isn't that Kerry married money
nor that Bush was born with money--both events are relatively common.

But Therese Heinz-Kerry married not one, but TWO US Senators, which is a
far less common event. Why I'd bet you can count the people who have
done that on one finger.

Bush does indeed have a stake in a timber company - a business he's so
little involved with that he apparently forgot about it.

"T. Nguyen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Actually its the comparison of one Democrat that represents the body,
> and one Republican that represents the body.
> ====================================================================
>
> Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... -
> -
> Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
> Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
> Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists
> - good...
> Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
> Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
> Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad..
> ====================================================================
> No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
> No WMD found Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Stock market crashes in 99/2000 under Clinton - good...
> Economy grows faster and stronger than it has in 20 years under Bush -
> bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
> World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
> Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
> Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
> Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
> Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax
> burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This
> is
> the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the
> government. This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the
> earliest it has been since 1991.
> It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice
> anything special about those dates?
> (Hint who took over in 92, and who left in 2000 . . a Democrat)
> ====================================================================
> Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
> actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave
> no explanation and provided no data for this claim.
> ====================================================================
> Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy
> men.
>
> Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions,
> all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an
> old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average
> A-frame).
> ====================================================================
> Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
> sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has
> figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

"Joe_Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BX%[email protected]...
> Clinton - democrat - good
> Bush - republican - bad
> Kerry - democrat - good
>
> Get the picture? Good always beats bad in the end.

Gore - Democrat - Loser

Joe - Logic - Flawed
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www.glennbeck.com
www.factcheck.org

"Richard A." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Jh%cd.5645$233.3163@okepread05>...
> Robert Galloway wrote:
>
> > Doesn't make much sense but Bush is the guy I feel like I could spend an
> > evening drinking beer and arguing with. Kerry???? I don't get that
> > feeling.
> >
> > bob g.
> > Sometimes you sink or swim with your own kind.
> >
> >
> The cool thing about that is you would probably win all the arguments
> with Bush.
>

And offer him pretzels.

--

FF

Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

>
> What, that Bush's holdings are in a blind trust?

As I recall, Jimmy Carter was the first US President ot put his
holdings into a blind trust. Reagan scoffed at the suggestion he
do the same.

So when did other Presidents start doing this?

--

FF

Robert Galloway <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Doesn't make much sense but Bush is the guy I feel like I could spend an
> evening drinking beer and arguing with.

I'd at least offer him some pretzels.

--

FF

On 19 Oct 2004 19:35:17 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>He won't. He can't. When one has to resort to lies about the person
>you don't like, it's an admission that you can't argue based on facts.
>Consider his viewpoint and the value thereof accordingly.

Did you start this thread, with its dishonest title ? If not, why
did you not question it ? Where is your moral & intellectual
integrity & honesty in this ? Same place as the chickenhawks',
most likely.

On 19 Oct 2004 15:04:32 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Yeah, it's clear what you use to make your decisions. Too bad you don't
>look at, you know, who misses 76% of the senate intelligence committee
>meetings he's supposed to go to, and then quits, and then pretends to care
>about that sort of stuff when it's time to lie about it during the
>Presidential race.


Bush has spent about 90% of the waking hours of his * entire
adminstration* out on the road, either campaigning or "on vacation."

wait wait wait....

if this is the logic you are going to use go back one more democratic
president.

Carter??? Good??? Really???

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:16:17 -0400, GregP <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:32:31 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>No. No, he hasn't. If you're going to exaggerate, at least make it
> >>believable.
> >
> > 95 % ?
>
> Cite, please. Translation: Bullshit. Back up your statement or retract
it.
>

I almost kept my pledge to stay out of there OT political threads.

This is another example of how those without a valid argument on an issue,
with a candidate without a clear, substantive record, who has been
constantly on the wrong side of history, resort to making things up to use
against their opposition.

Here are a few of Kerry's lies:

1. GWB has a secret plan to deny senior citizens their Social Security.

2. GWB has a secret plan to reinstate the draft.

3. GWB has a secret plan to deny minorities the right to vote.

You know a candidate has no record of accomplishments to tout and any clear
vision of where to lead this country when he resorts to out and out lies to
scare the old, the young and the disadvantaged. I can't wait until the
election is over and we go back to all of the whining about how GWB stole
the election.

--
Al Reid

A government large enough to give you everything you want...
is large enough to take away everything that you have.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:59:47 -0400, "Al Reid"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>The latest is that the DNC has recruited 10,000 lawyers

And your fellow Republican fascists haven't done the same ????

"Republicans say they will have lawyers covering 30,000 precincts
who will be prepared to challenge at the polls the eligibility of
voters whose registrations seem suspect. The GOP has assigned
its state party organizations to lead the effort...."

- Washington Post, 10/20/4

So how will this happen ? Unofficial watchers in polling places
harassing and intimidating people who have come to vote ?
I betcha Jeb will have a whole bunch of these good Christian
People in every Miami voting place.

Or is this simply a lie by a newspaper that refuses to bend far
enough to the extreme right for your tastes ?

Perhaps if Jeb's "state police" hadn't gone to black people's
homes to intimidate them for registering voters, and if Republican
apparatchiks in various parts of the country hadn't been destroying
registration forms, and if Florida polling places hadn't been
refusing to let legitimate but black registered voters vote
in 2000, there wouldn't have been a need for so many lawyers. Or
for a European organization to come across to monitor this election.

On 19 Oct 2004 19:31:39 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>Funny how the same people who complain that he was "on vacation"
>also complain about a particular briefing that happened while he
>was _on "vacation"_. He was doing his job while not in Washington.


He was "working ?" Bullpucky.

Another slow learner for Bush...

T. Nguyen wrote:
> Actually its the comparison of one Democrat that represents the body,
> and one Republican that represents the body.
> ====================================================================
>
> Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good... -
> -
> Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
> Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
> Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists
> - good...
> Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
> Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
> Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad..
> ====================================================================
> No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
> No WMD found Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Stock market crashes in 99/2000 under Clinton - good...
> Economy grows faster and stronger than it has in 20 years under Bush -
> bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
> World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
> Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
> Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
> Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
> Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
> ====================================================================
> Every year an independent tax watchdog group analyzes the average tax
> burden on Americans, and then calculates the "Tax Freedom Day". This
> is
> the day after which the money you earn goes to you, not the
> government. This year, tax freedom day was April 11th. That's the
> earliest it has been since 1991.
> It's latest day ever was May 2nd, which occurred in 2000. Notice
> anything special about those dates?
> (Hint who took over in 92, and who left in 2000 . . a Democrat)
> ====================================================================
> Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are
> actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave
> no explanation and provided no data for this claim.
> ====================================================================
> Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy
> men.
>
> Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns 4 mansions,
> all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an
> old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average
> A-frame).
> ====================================================================
> Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
> sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has
> figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles did say:

> But Therese Heinz-Kerry married not one, but TWO US Senators, which is a
> far less common event. Why I'd bet you can count the people who have
> done that on one finger.

And I've got just the finger...

--
New project = new tool. Hard and fast rule.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (T. Nguyen) wrote:

> Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that
> sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has
> figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

His wife has the big bucks. I don't suppose you want to list combined
taxes. In either case:

Now the fact my filters didn't catch the obvious political subject is,
at some level, my fault, but this is woodworking so please go pollute
someone else's newsgroup. At the minimum start your subject line with
Pol: or [Pol].

(snip) Did you start this thread, with its dishonest title ? If not, why
> did you not question it ?

ok.. let's try to put this stupidity to rest once and for all for this
newsgroup...

Bush has an investment in The Lone Star Trust, an oil & gas company, which
purchased an interest in LSTF, LLC. This company purpose is the production
of trees for commercial sales.

He owns part interest in a tree growing company....not a timber company. He
does not own interest in a logging company nor a mill..... it's a freaking
tree farm!!
This investment is tied to the fact that the oil & gas companies replant
trees in areas damaged by the process of acquiring the oil & gas. It's an
effort to repair the environment...

Sounds to me he ought to be lauded for improving the environment.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:32:31 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>No. No, he hasn't. If you're going to exaggerate, at least make it
>believable.


95 % ?