I think I found Leon's nephew.
This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
Leon, do you know this kid?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think I found Leon's nephew.
>
No, I don't know him but I have seen him. It looks like his shop Is a
spare bed room at his mom and dad's house.
> This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
> jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
> his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
I think he belongs to the camp of Festool owners that only build things
like jigs and work surfaces. Most never actually build any thing, but are
prepared to do so.
>
> I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
> with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
Many Festool owners, note I said owner and not users, seldom sell any of
their work to justify the cost so they build Festool like tools. Festool
makes an indexed track that is good for their track saw and their router.
The routers have a special indexing accessory that virtually does the same
thing that he has done in the video.
He has another video showing how to build a replacement work surface with
multiple dog holes similar to his Festool FMT work table. I would simply
use a top bearing flush cut bit with my plunge router and my old work
surface as a template.
>
> Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
>
> Leon, do you know this kid?
I only know "of" him.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
>
On 2/19/2018 9:07 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/18/2018 6:05 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/18/2018 8:35 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it
>>>>> adds
>>>>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>
>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>
>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>
>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>>> hoses...
>>
>> Probably right, what were you doing looking at Festool stuff???
>
> I enjoy looking at their creative ways of separating fools and their
> money!!! Actually, I wasn't looking at Festering tools, I was looking
> at wood stuff on Pinterest and up popped this thing with green hose. I
> remembered it and fed it to Kevin as he seemed to need some inspiration.
>
> The snide $million hose remark was for you, and other festering tool
> fanatics with fat wallets and $700 shop vacs...
>
No kidding Jack, I would'a never figured that out.
Pinterest. LOL
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>
>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>> difficult to move.
>>
>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>> something.
>
>For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>
>http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
force on it.
>
>Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>hoses...
No need for Festool hoses. There are aftermarket hoses that fit
Festools. They aren't nearly as pretty, though. ;-)
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
> >>>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
> >>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
> >>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
> >> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
> >> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
> >> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
> >> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
> >>
> >> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
> >> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
> >> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
> >> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
> >> difficult to move.
> >>
> >> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
> >> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
> >> something.
> >
> >For the creatively devoid there is always this:
> >
> >http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>
> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
> force on it.
> >
Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:37:50 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3/2/2018 10:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:04:37 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/28/2018 8:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:09:43 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/24/2018 12:31 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/24/2018 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-axis
>>>>>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque
>>>>>>>>>>>> the bearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be
>>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the
>>>>>>>>> hose...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>>>>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care
>>>>>>> if it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leverage is the issue. The longer the boom the greater the small amount
>>>>>> of weight, at the end of that boom, will exert. Add to that the user
>>>>>> pulling past the stretch of the hose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, leverage is the issue, so don't hang the heavy shop vac from the
>>>>> boom, just the hose. Should last a lifetime, even with a HF castor,
>>>>> assuming they sell these castors.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not saying your are wrong.
>>>>
>>>> But you are.
>>>>
>>> So go ahead, hang your shop vac from the boom, no one cares.
>>
>> No need to prove to anyone how stupid you are. We got it, already.
>>
>How many of you do you think you are?
Your admission of room-temperature IQ accepted.
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:06:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/18/2018 9:51 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>
>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>
>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>
>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>
>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>> force on it.
>>>
>>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>>> hoses...
>>
>> No need for Festool hoses. There are aftermarket hoses that fit
>> Festools. They aren't nearly as pretty, though. ;-)
>>
>
>I think Rockler sells the orange one, and Festool has the
>non-anti-static black hose.
I've seen them on Amazon, too.
<https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-VAC005-5-Meter-Vacuum-Hose/product-reviews/B0000AV78B>
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 6:29:51 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:06:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
> >On 2/18/2018 9:51 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
> >>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
> >>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
> >>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
> >>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
> >>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
> >>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
> >>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
> >>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
> >>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
> >>>> difficult to move.
> >>>>
> >>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
> >>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
> >>>> something.
> >>>
> >>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
> >>>
> >>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
> >>
> >> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
> >> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
> >> force on it.
> >>>
> >>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
> >>> hoses...
> >>
> >> No need for Festool hoses. There are aftermarket hoses that fit
> >> Festools. They aren't nearly as pretty, though. ;-)
> >>
> >
> >I think Rockler sells the orange one, and Festool has the
> >non-anti-static black hose.
>
> I've seen them on Amazon, too.
>
> <https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-VAC005-5-Meter-Vacuum-Hose/product-reviews/B0000AV78B>
I paid $20 for about 25' of pool cleaning hose, plus a ~ 15' aluminum
pole. Craigslist. I've got about 15' of the hose running along the ceiling
of my shop.
Haven't found a use for the pole yet.
On 2/9/2018 7:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:13:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think I found Leon's nephew.
>>
>> This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
>> jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
>> his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
>
>> I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
>> with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
>>
>> Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
>>
>> Leon, do you know this kid?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
>
> Nah, if he were really into Festools, he'd have ditched the whole
> project and just used an LR32.
>
He has that..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4jAqE6OZgk
And to back up my claim above, a user and maker of jigs but not much
else... He has an MFT table and shows how to make another top for it
by making a jig first to make others. He could simply use his MFT table
top for as the jig....
BUT he does have a good hack, I think I am going to try this one out.
Absolutely a money saver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrWmAxFDChc
On 2/18/2018 5:25 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:08:59 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 11:51 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hey K! Are you listening? ;-)
>>>
>> He is fishing.
>
> For good ideas. Always. ;-)
>
I thought he was referring to "K"arl, AKA Swingman. ;~)
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:08:59 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/18/2018 11:51 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>
>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>> by a decent caster.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hey K! Are you listening? ;-)
>>
>He is fishing.
For good ideas. Always. ;-)
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:40:00 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/10/2018 11:16 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:44:11 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/9/2018 7:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:13:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I found Leon's nephew.
>>>>>
>>>>> This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
>>>>> jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
>>>>> his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
>>>>
>>>>> I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
>>>>> with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon, do you know this kid?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
>>>>
>>>> Nah, if he were really into Festools, he'd have ditched the whole
>>>> project and just used an LR32.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He has that..
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4jAqE6OZgk
>>>
>>> And to back up my claim above, a user and maker of jigs but not much
>>> else... He has an MFT table and shows how to make another top for it
>>> by making a jig first to make others. He could simply use his MFT table
>>> top for as the jig....
>>>
>>> BUT he does have a good hack, I think I am going to try this one out.
>>> Absolutely a money saver.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrWmAxFDChc
>>>
>> The hose deflector works pretty well.
>>
>> <https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/489022---fs-aw#Overview>
>
>I have that. It was a part of the deal of the century add-on for the
>MFT table. IIRC when I got my MFT, that deflector, a swivel unit,
>support unit, CMS router table miter gauge, Adjustable stop, clamp, AND
>the FS 1080 42" track/guide rail was only $100 extra. The 42" rail
>alone costs $104.
>
>>
>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>
>
>Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
difficult to move.
Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
something.
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
> >>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
> >>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
> >>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
> >>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
> >>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
> >>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
> >>>>
> >>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
> >>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
> >>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
> >>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
> >>>> difficult to move.
> >>>>
> >>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
> >>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
> >>>> something.
> >>>
> >>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
> >>>
> >>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
> >>
> >> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
> >> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
> >> force on it.
> >>>
> >
> > Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
> >
> > You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
> >
> > http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
> >
>
> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
> by a decent caster.
>
>
Hey K! Are you listening? ;-)
On 2/10/2018 11:16 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:44:11 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/9/2018 7:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:13:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I found Leon's nephew.
>>>>
>>>> This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
>>>> jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
>>>> his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
>>>
>>>> I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
>>>> with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
>>>>
>>>> Leon, do you know this kid?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
>>>
>>> Nah, if he were really into Festools, he'd have ditched the whole
>>> project and just used an LR32.
>>>
>>
>> He has that..
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4jAqE6OZgk
>>
>> And to back up my claim above, a user and maker of jigs but not much
>> else... He has an MFT table and shows how to make another top for it
>> by making a jig first to make others. He could simply use his MFT table
>> top for as the jig....
>>
>> BUT he does have a good hack, I think I am going to try this one out.
>> Absolutely a money saver.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrWmAxFDChc
>>
> The hose deflector works pretty well.
>
> <https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/489022---fs-aw#Overview>
I have that. It was a part of the deal of the century add-on for the
MFT table. IIRC when I got my MFT, that deflector, a swivel unit,
support unit, CMS router table miter gauge, Adjustable stop, clamp, AND
the FS 1080 42" track/guide rail was only $100 extra. The 42" rail
alone costs $104.
>
> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>
Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:34:23 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/24/2018 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:23:57 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>>>>
>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>
>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>
>> Obviously you haven't even considered it.
>>>
>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>
>> Torque. DxF
>>
>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
>>> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>
>> I think you're wrong. The bearing is being used in a way is
>> specifically not designed to be used. Instead of gravity holding the
>> thing together, it's trying to pull it apart. The torque on the
>> bearing multiplies the forces. But you've never heard of Physics and
>> likely haven't heard of "engineering" either, so I wouldn't expect you
>> to understand.
>
>I understand you need to get your nose out of your high school books and
>use some common sense. People are doing exactly this all the time and
>it apparently works. The casters are made to hold up a fat ass, true,
>but a little torque from a short boom holding a light plastic hose
>should be no problem, as demonstrated in the link I provided.
>
>I suggest you set up a lever, bolt down the caster as try to pull it
>apart. Measure the force need to pull it apart, then calculate the
>amount of force that would be applied from the hose/boom thing. If the
>force is remotely close to that required to pull apart the castor, come
>up with another idea, and post it on the festering tool site.
>
>Be sure to tell the other festering tool guy using the boom that what he
>is doing won't work.
You really are clueless.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:09:43 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/24/2018 12:31 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/24/2018 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey
>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my
>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a
>>>>>>>>>>> section
>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the
>>>>>>>>>>> suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite
>>>>>>>>>>> expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to
>>>>>>>>>>> move. It
>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it
>>>>>>>>>>> even more
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of
>>>>>>>>> off-axis
>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque
>>>>>>>> the bearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be
>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the
>>>>> hose...
>>>>
>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>
>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>
>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>
>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care
>>> if it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>
>>
>> Leverage is the issue. The longer the boom the greater the small amount
>> of weight, at the end of that boom, will exert. Add to that the user
>> pulling past the stretch of the hose.
>
>Yes, leverage is the issue, so don't hang the heavy shop vac from the
>boom, just the hose. Should last a lifetime, even with a HF castor,
>assuming they sell these castors.
>
>> Not saying your are wrong.
But you are.
On 2/28/2018 8:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:09:43 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/24/2018 12:31 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 2/24/2018 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my
>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a
>>>>>>>>>>>> section
>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to
>>>>>>>>>>>> move. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it
>>>>>>>>>>>> even more
>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> off-axis
>>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque
>>>>>>>>> the bearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be
>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the
>>>>>> hose...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>>
>>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>>
>>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>>
>>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care
>>>> if it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Leverage is the issue. The longer the boom the greater the small amount
>>> of weight, at the end of that boom, will exert. Add to that the user
>>> pulling past the stretch of the hose.
>>
>> Yes, leverage is the issue, so don't hang the heavy shop vac from the
>> boom, just the hose. Should last a lifetime, even with a HF castor,
>> assuming they sell these castors.
>>
>>> Not saying your are wrong.
>
> But you are.
>
So go ahead, hang your shop vac from the boom, no one cares.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/28/2018 8:22 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:34:23 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/24/2018 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:23:57 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>>
>>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>
>>> Obviously you haven't even considered it.
>>>>
>>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>
>>> Torque. DxF
>>>
>>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
>>>> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>
>>> I think you're wrong. The bearing is being used in a way is
>>> specifically not designed to be used. Instead of gravity holding the
>>> thing together, it's trying to pull it apart. The torque on the
>>> bearing multiplies the forces. But you've never heard of Physics and
>>> likely haven't heard of "engineering" either, so I wouldn't expect you
>>> to understand.
>>
>> I understand you need to get your nose out of your high school books and
>> use some common sense. People are doing exactly this all the time and
>> it apparently works. The casters are made to hold up a fat ass, true,
>> but a little torque from a short boom holding a light plastic hose
>> should be no problem, as demonstrated in the link I provided.
>>
>> I suggest you set up a lever, bolt down the caster as try to pull it
>> apart. Measure the force need to pull it apart, then calculate the
>> amount of force that would be applied from the hose/boom thing. If the
>> force is remotely close to that required to pull apart the castor, come
>> up with another idea, and post it on the festering tool site.
>>
>> Be sure to tell the other festering tool guy using the boom that what he
>> is doing won't work.
>
> You really are clueless.
>
Right!
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 08:46:25 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>> >>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>> >>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>> >> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>> >> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>> >> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>> >> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>> >>
>> >> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>> >> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>> >> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>> >> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>> >> difficult to move.
>> >>
>> >> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>> >> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>> >> something.
>> >
>> >For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>> >
>> >http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>
>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>> force on it.
>> >
>
>Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>
>You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>
>http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
I was considering some 2" PVC pipe with an elbow (maybe add a couple
of 45s for angle support). Put a couple of slip rings on the wall,
separated by a few feet.
On 2/18/2018 10:57 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected]
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet.
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it
>>>>>>> adds
>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>
>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>> force on it.
>>>>
>>
>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the
>> bearing.
>>
>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>
>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>
>
> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
> by a decent caster.
>
>
I wonder if the issue is because there is a negative load on the casters
for the booms that is the problem.
On 2/18/2018 9:51 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>
>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>> difficult to move.
>>>
>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>> something.
>>
>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>
>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>
> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
> force on it.
>>
>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>> hoses...
>
> No need for Festool hoses. There are aftermarket hoses that fit
> Festools. They aren't nearly as pretty, though. ;-)
>
I think Rockler sells the orange one, and Festool has the
non-anti-static black hose.
On 2/18/2018 11:51 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 11:57:52 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>
>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>> force on it.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>
>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>
>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>
>>
>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>> by a decent caster.
>>
>>
>
> Hey K! Are you listening? ;-)
>
He is fishing.
On 2/18/2018 8:35 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>
>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>> difficult to move.
>>
>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>> something.
>
> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>
> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>
>
> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
> hoses...
Probably right, what were you doing looking at Festool stuff???
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>
>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>
>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>> force on it.
>>>>
>>
>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>
>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>
>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>
>
>If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>by a decent caster.
They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
sloppy when it's unloaded.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2018 10:44:11 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/9/2018 7:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:13:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I think I found Leon's nephew.
>>>
>>> This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
>>> jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
>>> his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
>>
>>> I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
>>> with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
>>>
>>> Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
>>>
>>> Leon, do you know this kid?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
>>
>> Nah, if he were really into Festools, he'd have ditched the whole
>> project and just used an LR32.
>>
>
>He has that..
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4jAqE6OZgk
>
>And to back up my claim above, a user and maker of jigs but not much
>else... He has an MFT table and shows how to make another top for it
>by making a jig first to make others. He could simply use his MFT table
>top for as the jig....
>
>BUT he does have a good hack, I think I am going to try this one out.
>Absolutely a money saver.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrWmAxFDChc
>
The hose deflector works pretty well.
<https://www.festoolusa.com/accessory/489022---fs-aw#Overview>
I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:23:57 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>
>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>
>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>>
>> Do you know anything about physics?
>
>Don't recall ever having one.
Obviously you haven't even considered it.
>
>Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
Torque. DxF
>Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
>it starts to fail and needs replaced.
I think you're wrong. The bearing is being used in a way is
specifically not designed to be used. Instead of gravity holding the
thing together, it's trying to pull it apart. The torque on the
bearing multiplies the forces. But you've never heard of Physics and
likely haven't heard of "engineering" either, so I wouldn't expect you
to understand.
On 2/24/2018 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:23:57 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>
>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>>>
>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>
>> Don't recall ever having one.
>
> Obviously you haven't even considered it.
>>
>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>
> Torque. DxF
>
>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
>> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>
> I think you're wrong. The bearing is being used in a way is
> specifically not designed to be used. Instead of gravity holding the
> thing together, it's trying to pull it apart. The torque on the
> bearing multiplies the forces. But you've never heard of Physics and
> likely haven't heard of "engineering" either, so I wouldn't expect you
> to understand.
I understand you need to get your nose out of your high school books and
use some common sense. People are doing exactly this all the time and
it apparently works. The casters are made to hold up a fat ass, true,
but a little torque from a short boom holding a light plastic hose
should be no problem, as demonstrated in the link I provided.
I suggest you set up a lever, bolt down the caster as try to pull it
apart. Measure the force need to pull it apart, then calculate the
amount of force that would be applied from the hose/boom thing. If the
force is remotely close to that required to pull apart the castor, come
up with another idea, and post it on the festering tool site.
Be sure to tell the other festering tool guy using the boom that what he
is doing won't work.
--
Jack
An ounce of application is worth a ton of abstraction.
http://jbstein.com
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:07:55 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/18/2018 6:05 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/18/2018 8:35 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>
>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>
>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>
>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>>> hoses...
>>
>> Probably right, what were you doing looking at Festool stuff???
>
> I enjoy looking at their creative ways of separating fools and their
>money!!! Actually, I wasn't looking at Festering tools, I was looking
>at wood stuff on Pinterest and up popped this thing with green hose. I
>remembered it and fed it to Kevin as he seemed to need some inspiration.
>
>The snide $million hose remark was for you, and other festering tool
>fanatics with fat wallets and $700 shop vacs...
Your jealousy is noted.
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:50:43 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2/18/18 8:35 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>
>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>> difficult to move.
>>>
>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>> something.
>>
>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>
>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>
>>
>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>> hoses...
>
>I've been thinking about doing ceiling swing arm and using that caster
>bearing assembly is brilliant.
>The only thing I would add is to make it longer and add another section
>of boom on a hinge so it can come back to the center.
>I did something similar in my Sharn when I was building a bunch of
>plywood storage bins using a pneumatic stapler. I put the hose up in
>the roof trusses and had a long "slinky" hose dropping down that reached
>all around in a 20ft. diameter.
Yep. I did that in my previous two houses (haven't found the
round-tuit, here, yet). In addition to the shop, I had five (one by a
hose reel in the center) in the garage ceiling and one on each side of
the overhead door, about 2' from the floor.
On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>> >>
>> >
>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>
> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
> difficult to move.
>
> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
> something.
For the creatively devoid there is always this:
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
hoses...
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:05:18 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/28/2018 8:22 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:34:23 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/24/2018 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:23:57 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously you haven't even considered it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>>
>>>> Torque. DxF
>>>>
>>>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
>>>>> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>>
>>>> I think you're wrong. The bearing is being used in a way is
>>>> specifically not designed to be used. Instead of gravity holding the
>>>> thing together, it's trying to pull it apart. The torque on the
>>>> bearing multiplies the forces. But you've never heard of Physics and
>>>> likely haven't heard of "engineering" either, so I wouldn't expect you
>>>> to understand.
>>>
>>> I understand you need to get your nose out of your high school books and
>>> use some common sense. People are doing exactly this all the time and
>>> it apparently works. The casters are made to hold up a fat ass, true,
>>> but a little torque from a short boom holding a light plastic hose
>>> should be no problem, as demonstrated in the link I provided.
>>>
>>> I suggest you set up a lever, bolt down the caster as try to pull it
>>> apart. Measure the force need to pull it apart, then calculate the
>>> amount of force that would be applied from the hose/boom thing. If the
>>> force is remotely close to that required to pull apart the castor, come
>>> up with another idea, and post it on the festering tool site.
>>>
>>> Be sure to tell the other festering tool guy using the boom that what he
>>> is doing won't work.
>>
>> You really are clueless.
>>
>Right!
Well, we can agree on something. You are an idiot.
On 3/2/2018 10:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:04:37 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/28/2018 8:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:09:43 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/24/2018 12:31 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 2/24/2018 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> section
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if
>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> off-axis
>>>>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque
>>>>>>>>>>> the bearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be
>>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the
>>>>>>>> hose...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>>>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care
>>>>>> if it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Leverage is the issue. The longer the boom the greater the small amount
>>>>> of weight, at the end of that boom, will exert. Add to that the user
>>>>> pulling past the stretch of the hose.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, leverage is the issue, so don't hang the heavy shop vac from the
>>>> boom, just the hose. Should last a lifetime, even with a HF castor,
>>>> assuming they sell these castors.
>>>>
>>>>> Not saying your are wrong.
>>>
>>> But you are.
>>>
>> So go ahead, hang your shop vac from the boom, no one cares.
>
> No need to prove to anyone how stupid you are. We got it, already.
>
How many of you do you think you are?
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 3/2/2018 10:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:05:18 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/28/2018 8:22 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:34:23 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/24/2018 6:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:23:57 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously you haven't even considered it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>>>
>>>>> Torque. DxF
>>>>>
>>>>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>>>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
>>>>>> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you're wrong. The bearing is being used in a way is
>>>>> specifically not designed to be used. Instead of gravity holding the
>>>>> thing together, it's trying to pull it apart. The torque on the
>>>>> bearing multiplies the forces. But you've never heard of Physics and
>>>>> likely haven't heard of "engineering" either, so I wouldn't expect you
>>>>> to understand.
>>>>
>>>> I understand you need to get your nose out of your high school books and
>>>> use some common sense. People are doing exactly this all the time and
>>>> it apparently works. The casters are made to hold up a fat ass, true,
>>>> but a little torque from a short boom holding a light plastic hose
>>>> should be no problem, as demonstrated in the link I provided.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest you set up a lever, bolt down the caster as try to pull it
>>>> apart. Measure the force need to pull it apart, then calculate the
>>>> amount of force that would be applied from the hose/boom thing. If the
>>>> force is remotely close to that required to pull apart the castor, come
>>>> up with another idea, and post it on the festering tool site.
>>>>
>>>> Be sure to tell the other festering tool guy using the boom that what he
>>>> is doing won't work.
>>>
>>> You really are clueless.
>>>
>> Right!
>
> Well, we can agree on something. You are an idiot.
>
Sarcasm, like most everything, escapes you.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:04:37 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/28/2018 8:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:09:43 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/24/2018 12:31 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/24/2018 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dragging.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> section
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expensive and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> move. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> off-axis
>>>>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque
>>>>>>>>>> the bearing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be
>>>>>>>>> felt
>>>>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the
>>>>>>> hose...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>>>>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care
>>>>> if it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leverage is the issue. The longer the boom the greater the small amount
>>>> of weight, at the end of that boom, will exert. Add to that the user
>>>> pulling past the stretch of the hose.
>>>
>>> Yes, leverage is the issue, so don't hang the heavy shop vac from the
>>> boom, just the hose. Should last a lifetime, even with a HF castor,
>>> assuming they sell these castors.
>>>
>>>> Not saying your are wrong.
>>
>> But you are.
>>
>So go ahead, hang your shop vac from the boom, no one cares.
No need to prove to anyone how stupid you are. We got it, already.
On 2/18/18 8:35 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>
>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>> difficult to move.
>>
>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>> something.
>
> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>
> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>
>
> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
> hoses...
I've been thinking about doing ceiling swing arm and using that caster
bearing assembly is brilliant.
The only thing I would add is to make it longer and add another section
of boom on a hinge so it can come back to the center.
I did something similar in my Sharn when I was building a bunch of
plywood storage bins using a pneumatic stapler. I put the hose up in
the roof trusses and had a long "slinky" hose dropping down that reached
all around in a 20ft. diameter.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>
>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>
>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>
>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>
>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>> force on it.
>>>
>
> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>
> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>
> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>
If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
by a decent caster.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 2/18/2018 10:51 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>
>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>
> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
> force on it.
I knew Festering hoses cost as much as my first car, but damn, how much
do those suckers weigh? My guess is the worlds cheapest castor could
handle this task?
My self, I just clamp a stick vertically on my table with 2 handscrews,
clamp the end of my dust collector hose to the top of the stick with a
hose clamp, and then plug in my sander hose to that. Works like a
charm. I can set it up or take down in about a minute or so and nothing
hanging around to bother me. This idea seems pretty good though,
depending on how much your hose weighs of course...
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/18/2018 6:05 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/18/2018 8:35 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>> >>I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>> >the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>> >nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>
>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>> difficult to move.
>>>
>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>> something.
>>
>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>
>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>
>>
>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>> hoses...
>
> Probably right, what were you doing looking at Festool stuff???
I enjoy looking at their creative ways of separating fools and their
money!!! Actually, I wasn't looking at Festering tools, I was looking
at wood stuff on Pinterest and up popped this thing with green hose. I
remembered it and fed it to Kevin as he seemed to need some inspiration.
The snide $million hose remark was for you, and other festering tool
fanatics with fat wallets and $700 shop vacs...
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>> something.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>
>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>> force on it.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>
>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>
>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>
>>
>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>> by a decent caster.
>
> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>
You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/9/2018 8:14 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:13:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think I found Leon's nephew.
>>
>> This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
>> jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
>> his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
>
>> I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
>> with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
>>
>> Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
>>
>> Leon, do you know this kid?
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
>
> Nah, if he were really into Festools, he'd have ditched the whole
> project and just used an LR32.
>
If he was really into woodworking, before he nailed his shelves together
with a festering nail gun, he would simply mark one edge of the shelf
side where he wanted the pins, transferred the marks to the other side
and other side board, set his drill press fence to the setback he wanted
the pins, marked the fence so the holes go where the marks are and
drilled away. It's pretty much exactly what drill presses are for. If
he don't have a drill press, he could sell his Festering shop vac or
festering LR32 and buy one plus half dozen or so other useful, non
festering tools.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:13:54 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I think I found Leon's nephew.
>
>This young whippersnapper shows us how to make a self indexing shelf pin
>jig using a variety of Festool tools. From his apron to his clamps to
>his hand tools to his work bench and power tools, it's almost all Festool.
>I think the only thing that isn't Festool is the Dewalt router he uses
>with the jig. Leon will have to explain that one to us.
>
>Heck, he even offers a SketchUp drawing of the jig.
>
>Leon, do you know this kid?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV1V6GqnoVs
Nah, if he were really into Festools, he'd have ditched the whole
project and just used an LR32.
On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-5, Jack Stein wrote:
> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
> >>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
> >>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
> >>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
> >>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
> >>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
> >>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
> >>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
> >>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
> >>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
> >>>>>>>> difficult to move.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
> >>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
> >>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
> >>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
> >>>>>> force on it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
> >>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
> >>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
> >>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
> >>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
> >>>> by a decent caster.
> >>>
> >>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
> >>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
> >>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
> >>>
> >> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
> >
> > Do you know anything about physics?
>
> Don't recall ever having one.
>
> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>
> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
Starting to fail is one thing. Rapid failure sucks, depending on what you
are doing when the thing comes crashing down. Hopefully there will be warning
signs of a failure for whoever is using Leon's garage 100 years from now.
On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 15:37:56 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 6:29:51 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:06:51 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/18/2018 9:51 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>> >>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>> >>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>> >>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>> >>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>> >>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>> >>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>> >>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>> >>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>> >>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>> >>>> difficult to move.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>> >>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>> >>>> something.
>> >>>
>> >>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>> >>
>> >> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>> >> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>> >> force on it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Probably won't work unless you have a $million in Festool proprietary
>> >>> hoses...
>> >>
>> >> No need for Festool hoses. There are aftermarket hoses that fit
>> >> Festools. They aren't nearly as pretty, though. ;-)
>> >>
>> >
>> >I think Rockler sells the orange one, and Festool has the
>> >non-anti-static black hose.
>>
>> I've seen them on Amazon, too.
>>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-VAC005-5-Meter-Vacuum-Hose/product-reviews/B0000AV78B>
>
>I paid $20 for about 25' of pool cleaning hose, plus a ~ 15' aluminum
>pole. Craigslist. I've got about 15' of the hose running along the ceiling
>of my shop.
That's certainly an alternative. This just needs a little longer hose
than if a boom were used. It's just a matter of how far you need to
go, whether the longer hose is going to get hung up on anything.
>Haven't found a use for the pole yet.
Craigslist, of course. ;-)
On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>
>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>
>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>
> Do you know anything about physics?
Don't recall ever having one.
Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
it starts to fail and needs replaced.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/24/2018 12:31 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/24/2018 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7
>>>>>>>>>>>> feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey
>>>>>>>>>>>> considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from
>>>>>>>>>>>> dragging.
>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my
>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a
>>>>>>>>>> section
>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the
>>>>>>>>>> suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite
>>>>>>>>>> expensive and
>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to
>>>>>>>>>> move. It
>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it
>>>>>>>>>> even more
>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of
>>>>>>>> off-axis
>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque
>>>>>>> the bearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be
>>>>>> felt
>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>
>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the
>>>> hose...
>>>
>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>
>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>
>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>
>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care
>> if it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>>
>
> Leverage is the issue. The longer the boom the greater the small amount
> of weight, at the end of that boom, will exert. Add to that the user
> pulling past the stretch of the hose.
Yes, leverage is the issue, so don't hang the heavy shop vac from the
boom, just the hose. Should last a lifetime, even with a HF castor,
assuming they sell these castors.
> Not saying your are wrong.
--
Jack
An ounce of application is worth a ton of abstraction.
http://jbstein.com
On 2/24/2018 5:18 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-5, Jack Stein wrote:
>> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>>
>>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
>>>
>>> Do you know anything about physics?
>>
>> Don't recall ever having one.
>>
>> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>>
>> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
>> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
>> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>
> Starting to fail is one thing. Rapid failure sucks, depending on what you
> are doing when the thing comes crashing down. Hopefully there will be warning
> signs of a failure for whoever is using Leon's garage 100 years from now.
>
Hopefully you are only hit with a vac hose, and not the whole, $700
festering vac you have hanging from the boom.
--
Jack
An ounce of application is worth a ton of abstraction.
http://jbstein.com
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7 feet. And
>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey considering it adds
>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a section
>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the suction loss.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite expensive and
>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather keep my
>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to move. It
>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even more
>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if there
>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of off-axis
>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque the bearing.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>
>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>> by a decent caster.
>>
>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>
>You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the hose...
Do you know anything about physics?
On 2/24/2018 11:23 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/20/2018 4:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:11:49 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2018 6:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:57:48 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/18 10:46 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 10:51:14 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 09:35:27 -0500, Jack <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/10/2018 12:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tempted to hang the hose from the ceiling, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Me too but that eats up a lot of hose, probably at least 7
>>>>>>>>>>> feet. And
>>>>>>>>>>> the boom kit for the dust extractor is very pricey
>>>>>>>>>>> considering it adds
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to production other than keeping the hose from dragging.
>>>>>>>>> True but I have one table I use for making dust (opposite my table
>>>>>>>>> saw). I use it to break down panels, route, and sand, so it's a
>>>>>>>>> perfect place to hang a hose. I was thinking about hanging a
>>>>>>>>> section
>>>>>>>>> of 50mm hose to make up the length, while minimizing the
>>>>>>>>> suction loss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I looked seriously at the boom but, as noted, it's quite
>>>>>>>>> expensive and
>>>>>>>>> I really only need to use the boom in one place. I'd rather
>>>>>>>>> keep my
>>>>>>>>> vac portable and the boom would just make it more awkward to
>>>>>>>>> move. It
>>>>>>>>> also requires removal of the cord storage cleat, making it even
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> difficult to move.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keeping the hose from dragging is useful, IMO. I don't much like
>>>>>>>>> having to stop a cut because the hose has wrapped itself around
>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the creatively devoid there is always this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/diy-ceiling-mounted-boom/?topicseen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting but I've found that these bearings are pretty bad if
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is any torque on the bearing. This application has a lot of
>>>>>>> off-axis
>>>>>>> force on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fashion a track to support the far end of the dowel to un-torque
>>>>>> the bearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't need to go to this extreme, but you get the idea...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/40301-7943423.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't buy the casters at HF, you have nothing to worry about.
>>>>> Spend 12-15 bucks instead of 4 and you get a quality caster.
>>>>> The things are rated for 100s of pounds. All my road cases have them
>>>>> and they are under a constant loads, 24/7, and operate smoothly.
>>>>> A vac hose and arm, even several feet out, isn't even going to be felt
>>>>> by a decent caster.
>>>>
>>>> They're rated for 100s of pounds straight through the axis, not so
>>>> much if there is an off-axis force. Every caster I've used is pretty
>>>> sloppy when it's unloaded.
>>>>
>>> You're not supposed to hang your shop vac from the thing, just the
>>> hose...
>>
>> Do you know anything about physics?
>
> Don't recall ever having one.
>
> Whats having a physic got to do with hanging a shop vac from a boom?
>
> Trust me, just hang the hose, not the whole shebang. The caster should
> work fine for probably 100 years or so, at which time you won't care if
> it starts to fail and needs replaced.
>
Leverage is the issue. The longer the boom the greater the small amount
of weight, at the end of that boom, will exert. Add to that the user
pulling past the stretch of the hose.
Not saying your are wrong.