bk

"bob kater"

24/02/2008 6:29 PM

cabinet design /kitchen layout

Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible artist
trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free but have not
had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.


This topic has 27 replies

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 2:58 PM

On Feb 28, 2:37=A0pm, depictureboy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 8:57=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 12:54=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "Robert Allison" wrote:
> > > > I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.
>
> > > Sounds like it's time to practice<G>
>
> > > Lew
>
> > You won't need much practice. This little program is intuitive due to
> > its simplicity.
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > and proof that so many programs are too bloated.
> > Many programs are like getting into a car and looking at a dashboard
> > with 600 knobs and switches and all you want to do is drive. (the on-
> > board computer of the space shuttle has one meg of RAM.)
>
> www.ecabinetsoftware.com
>
> I havent used their software yet (its on the way) but its free for
> use, but there is some condition about using their vendors...

Indeed. The concept (cellular manufacturing) is brilliant. The
participation is not without some commitment. I have studied this with
a big honking magnifying glass because it makes so much sense to me.
Is it perfect? Not likely.

Technology allows, somebody I know, to work on his CNC from his
house.... it is 20 kilo meters away. He does models of ships' hulls so
loading the machine with material isn't much of an issue. It is a 5-
axis device.

In perspective, why can't there be 10 drawers waiting for me when I
get to the shop the next morning? And who says that has to be my CNC?
I would love it that my CNC is running all day...doing jobs between
mine...*IF* I had to make $3000.00 per month payments on the thing...
I would want to make SURE that sucker never slept.

In a limited way, I already bolt on to the cellular manufacturing
system..i.e. I buy my doors from a guy who is a lot better at it than
I am.

ecabinets is not for the hobbyist. That much you know.

But I know for a fact, that if the brightest and most ambitious of
'wreckers' were to put their collective abilities together, there
would be profit. Big gobs of money.
But how do you sell a redneck on the word 'collective'?? LOL

As a closet American, I will never apologise for making money. I am
also convinced that we can kick some serious Asiatic ass with OUR
manufacturing abilities.
We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.

*gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

27/02/2008 11:14 PM


"Lew Hodgett" wrote
>
> As the old time plant engineer, faced with a new plant layout job
> would say, "...It's paper doll time."
>
> A 4x4 grid of graph paper, a pair of shears, a drafting pencil, and
> you are in business.
>
> If it is a one shot project, my bet is I'm done before you can load
> (type) the data into the program.
>

I have about 50 tablets of graph paper laying around. I have so many years
of working out designs on grid paper, to this day, all the preliminary
design work is done on paper. Then I transfer it to a CAD program.

I write the same way. Lots of outlines and notes on multiple tablets. Then I
go to the computer.



LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

27/02/2008 5:41 PM


"Robert Allison" wrote:



> To me, the sheet layout and board layout is worth the price. One
> thing that I hate is trying to figure out how to get the most out
> of a sheet of plywood. How can I configure these 18 pieces on
> this sheet? This program does it for you. If you have a certain
> length of lumber, it does that for you, too.

As the old time plant engineer, faced with a new plant layout job
would say, "...It's paper doll time."

A 4x4 grid of graph paper, a pair of shears, a drafting pencil, and
you are in business.

If it is a one shot project, my bet is I'm done before you can load
(type) the data into the program.

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

27/02/2008 9:51 PM


"Dave in Houston" wrote:

> Lew, I'm surprised you're not mailing your post in.

Actually I was considerinng smoke signals, but I have misplaced the
flint to start the fire.

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

27/02/2008 9:54 PM


"Robert Allison" wrote:

> I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.

Sounds like it's time to practice<G>

Lew


RC

Robatoy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 5:57 AM

On Feb 28, 12:54=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robert Allison" wrote:
> > I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.
>
> Sounds like it's time to practice<G>
>
> Lew

You won't need much practice. This little program is intuitive due to
its simplicity.
=2E
=2E
=2E
=2E
and proof that so many programs are too bloated.
Many programs are like getting into a car and looking at a dashboard
with 600 knobs and switches and all you want to do is drive. (the on-
board computer of the space shuttle has one meg of RAM.)

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 3:38 PM

On Feb 28, 6:09=A0pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote
>
> > We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.
> > *gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....
>
> =A1Usted debe primero aprender hacerlo en espa=F1ol, se=F1or!
>
> :)

Tengo bastante dificultad el expresarse en ingl=E9s, gracias mucho.


( NO frickin' idea what this really says.. it's a dashboard
translator... for all I know, I just promised him to wash his car)

bk

"bob kater"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

24/02/2008 7:15 PM


"Robert Allison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:lbnwj.33277$T8.12190@trnddc03...
> bob kater wrote:
>> Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
>> retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible
>> artist trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free
>> but have not had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.
>
> I like and use this one:
>
> www.cabinetplanner.com
>
> I have used it for about a year now, it is customizable to your method of
> building cabinets (for the most part) and is not difficult at all. Cheap,
> too.
>
> I just wish that you could copy and paste a customized cabinet. There
> might be a way to do that, but I have not found it yet.
>
> It also contains a cut sheet function that lays out your sheet goods for
> optimal usage of sheets. That is very handy.
>
> The material list tells you exactly how many board feet of lumber you need
> for everything.
>
> --
> Robert Allison
> Rimshot, Inc.

> Georgetown, TX
I downloaded the thing and will try the free trial but it does look simple
enough.
thanks

bk

"bob kater"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

25/02/2008 12:22 PM


"Robert Allison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:bdqwj.33308$T8.2734@trnddc03...
> bob kater wrote:
>
>> "Robert Allison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:lbnwj.33277$T8.12190@trnddc03...
>>
>>>bob kater wrote:
>>>
>>>>Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
>>>>retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible
>>>>artist trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free
>>>>but have not had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.
>>>
>>>I like and use this one:
>>>
>>>www.cabinetplanner.com
>>>
>>>I have used it for about a year now, it is customizable to your method of
>>>building cabinets (for the most part) and is not difficult at all.
>>>Cheap, too.
>>>
>>>I just wish that you could copy and paste a customized cabinet. There
>>>might be a way to do that, but I have not found it yet.
>>>
>>>It also contains a cut sheet function that lays out your sheet goods for
>>>optimal usage of sheets. That is very handy.
>>>
>>>The material list tells you exactly how many board feet of lumber you
>>>need for everything.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Robert Allison
>>>Rimshot, Inc.
>>
>>
>>>Georgetown, TX
>>
>> I downloaded the thing and will try the free trial but it does look
>> simple enough.
>> thanks
>
> Spend a bit of time reading the help files and pay particular attention to
> the General Standards that you can set. You can change anything in the
> individual cabinet shop detail, but if you put in things like how deep you
> do your dados, door overlay, box materials and things like that, when you
> select a cabinet, all that is already done and you don't have to do each
> cab individually. Saves a ton of time.
>
> Just start by building a simple wall and add some cabinets to it. Then
> look at all the options. That seemed to be the easiest way to get
> started.
>
> --
> Robert Allison
> Rimshot, Inc.
> Georgetown, TX
Great feedback! Thanks

dd

depictureboy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

29/02/2008 5:46 AM

On Feb 29, 7:21=A0am, Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:37:59 -0800 (PST), depictureboy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Feb 28, 8:57=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Feb 28, 12:54=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > "Robert Allison" wrote:
> >> > > I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.
>
> >> > Sounds like it's time to practice<G>
>
> >> > Lew
>
> >> You won't need much practice. This little program is intuitive due to
> >> its simplicity.
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> .
> >> and proof that so many programs are too bloated.
> >> Many programs are like getting into a car and looking at a dashboard
> >> with 600 knobs and switches and all you want to do is drive. (the on-
> >> board computer of the space shuttle has one meg of RAM.)
>
> >www.ecabinetsoftware.com
>
> >I havent used their software yet (its on the way) but its free for
> >use, but there is some condition about using their vendors...
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here but all that page leads to is a page
> full of assorted links
>
> screencap here:
>
> http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7115/image1nw2.jpg
>
> --

Thanks for the headsup....i put in the wrong link....
http://www.ecabinetsystems.com/

thats the right address. I apologize for the landing page...i hate
those things.

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

26/02/2008 9:00 PM

On Feb 24, 6:35=A0pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> bob kater wrote:
> > Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
> > retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible art=
ist
> > trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free but have=
not
> > had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.
>
> I like and use this one:
>
> www.cabinetplanner.com
>
> I have used it for about a year now, it is customizable to your
> method of building cabinets (for the most part) and is not
> difficult at all. =A0Cheap, too.
>
> I just wish that you could copy and paste a customized cabinet.
> There might be a way to do that, but I have not found it yet.
>
> It also contains a cut sheet function that lays out your sheet
> goods for optimal usage of sheets. =A0That is very handy.
>
> The material list tells you exactly how many board feet of lumber
> you need for everything.
>

I downloaded that little nugget. Played with it several times and I'm
amazed. What a bargain. Easy to learn and very useful.
I was very surprised at its capability.
It is not glossy and doesn't do photo-reaslistic rendering, or even
shadows (afaik), but it will do a great job laying out a kitchen and
give the builder a clue about what he's about to undertake.

That is why I keep coming back here.. to find things like this. Thanks
for the tip, Robert.

r

RA

Robert Allison

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 11:44 PM

Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 28, 6:09 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Robatoy" wrote
>>
>>
>>>We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.
>>>*gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....
>>
>>¡Usted debe primero aprender hacerlo en español, señor!
>>
>>:)
>
>
> Tengo bastante dificultad el expresarse en inglés, gracias mucho.
>
>
> ( NO frickin' idea what this really says.. it's a dashboard
> translator... for all I know, I just promised him to wash his car)
>

Just so you can compare, you said: "I have enough difficulty
expressing myself in english, thank you very much."

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

dd

depictureboy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 11:37 AM

On Feb 28, 8:57=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 12:54=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Robert Allison" wrote:
> > > I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.
>
> > Sounds like it's time to practice<G>
>
> > Lew
>
> You won't need much practice. This little program is intuitive due to
> its simplicity.
> .
> .
> .
> .
> and proof that so many programs are too bloated.
> Many programs are like getting into a car and looking at a dashboard
> with 600 knobs and switches and all you want to do is drive. (the on-
> board computer of the space shuttle has one meg of RAM.)

www.ecabinetsoftware.com

I havent used their software yet (its on the way) but its free for
use, but there is some condition about using their vendors...

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 4:10 PM

On Feb 28, 6:44=A0pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 6:09 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>"Robatoy" wrote
>
> >>>We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.
> >>>*gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....
>
> >>=A1Usted debe primero aprender hacerlo en espa=F1ol, se=F1or!
>
> >>:)
>
> > Tengo bastante dificultad el expresarse en ingl=E9s, gracias mucho.
>
> > ( NO frickin' idea what this really says.. it's a dashboard
> > translator... for all I know, I just promised him to wash his car)
>
> Just so you can compare, you said: =A0"I have enough difficulty
> expressing myself in english, thank you very much."
>
> --
Cool! So it worked as advertised, eh? (Those darn macintoshes, eh?)

y

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 3:55 PM

On Feb 24, 6:29=A0pm, "bob kater" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
> retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible artis=
t
> trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free but have n=
ot
> had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.

if the only thing you need is a picture or face frame use "paint" it
should e prenstaled into your computer
but if you want exact to scale software would do
PLAN B:make a "toscale" modle out of thin easy to work with 'balsa'-
who knows theat option may be a great proj. in it self

RA

Robert Allison

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

29/02/2008 3:18 AM

Robatoy wrote:

> On Feb 28, 6:44 pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 28, 6:09 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>"Robatoy" wrote
>>
>>>>>We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.
>>>>>*gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....
>>
>>>>¡Usted debe primero aprender hacerlo en español, señor!
>>
>>>>:)
>>
>>>Tengo bastante dificultad el expresarse en inglés, gracias mucho.
>>
>>>( NO frickin' idea what this really says.. it's a dashboard
>>>translator... for all I know, I just promised him to wash his car)
>>
>>Just so you can compare, you said: "I have enough difficulty
>>expressing myself in english, thank you very much."
>>
>>--
>
> Cool! So it worked as advertised, eh? (Those darn macintoshes, eh?)
>

They work kind of fair to middling. I speak fairly good spanish,
but I use them when I want to be sure that what I am saying is
correct (I have a lot of problems with past and future tenses).
I am fine in the present. Sometimes they can really screw up a
translation.

Here is a fun thing to do to see what they are capable of:

Type out a paragraph or so into the translation text box.
Translate it into spanish. Now translate it back into english.
You will see just how accurate they are. If you really want to
have some fun, translate it into spanish, then into french, then
into italian, then into german, then back into english. If it
resembles your original at all, it is a miracle.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

27/02/2008 7:09 PM


"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" wrote

> I use Cutlist now, but I'm going to give your suggestion a shot based
> on the extra features.

> Thanks for sharing!

Ditto. I downloaded it this morning ... wish I'd known about it three or
four months ago, before starting this recent job because it would have been
an acid test.

It looks like it fits in with both my current planning/design methods using
a combination of CutList Plus, Excel, and AutoSketch ... and the 3D is
certainly a boost to the design side, especially without climbing an Everest
sized learning curve.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/14/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)


RA

Robert Allison

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

25/02/2008 3:02 AM

bob kater wrote:

> "Robert Allison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:lbnwj.33277$T8.12190@trnddc03...
>
>>bob kater wrote:
>>
>>>Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
>>>retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible
>>>artist trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free
>>>but have not had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.
>>
>>I like and use this one:
>>
>>www.cabinetplanner.com
>>
>>I have used it for about a year now, it is customizable to your method of
>>building cabinets (for the most part) and is not difficult at all. Cheap,
>>too.
>>
>>I just wish that you could copy and paste a customized cabinet. There
>>might be a way to do that, but I have not found it yet.
>>
>>It also contains a cut sheet function that lays out your sheet goods for
>>optimal usage of sheets. That is very handy.
>>
>>The material list tells you exactly how many board feet of lumber you need
>>for everything.
>>
>>--
>>Robert Allison
>>Rimshot, Inc.
>
>
>>Georgetown, TX
>
> I downloaded the thing and will try the free trial but it does look simple
> enough.
> thanks

Spend a bit of time reading the help files and pay particular
attention to the General Standards that you can set. You can
change anything in the individual cabinet shop detail, but if you
put in things like how deep you do your dados, door overlay, box
materials and things like that, when you select a cabinet, all
that is already done and you don't have to do each cab
individually. Saves a ton of time.

Just start by building a simple wall and add some cabinets to it.
Then look at all the options. That seemed to be the easiest
way to get started.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

dd

depictureboy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 4:43 PM

On Feb 28, 5:58=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 2:37=A0pm, depictureboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 8:57=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 28, 12:54=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:=

>
> > > > "Robert Allison" wrote:
> > > > > I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.
>
> > > > Sounds like it's time to practice<G>
>
> > > > Lew
>
> > > You won't need much practice. This little program is intuitive due to
> > > its simplicity.
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > .
> > > and proof that so many programs are too bloated.
> > > Many programs are like getting into a car and looking at a dashboard
> > > with 600 knobs and switches and all you want to do is drive. (the on-
> > > board computer of the space shuttle has one meg of RAM.)
>
> >www.ecabinetsoftware.com
>
> > I havent used their software yet (its on the way) but its free for
> > use, but there is some condition about using their vendors...
>
> Indeed. The concept (cellular manufacturing) is brilliant. The
> participation is not without some commitment. I have studied this with
> a big honking magnifying glass because it makes so much sense to me.
> Is it perfect? Not likely.
>
> Technology allows, somebody I know, to work on his CNC from his
> house.... it is 20 kilo meters away. He does models of ships' hulls so
> loading the machine with material isn't much of an issue. It is a 5-
> axis device.
>
> In perspective, why can't there be 10 drawers waiting for me when I
> get to the shop the next morning? And who says that has to be my CNC?
> I would love it that my CNC is running all day...doing jobs between
> mine...*IF* I had to make $3000.00 per month payments on the thing...
> I would want to make SURE that sucker never slept.
>
> In a limited way, I already bolt on to the cellular manufacturing
> system..i.e. I buy my doors from a guy who is a lot better at it than
> I am.
>
> ecabinets is not for the hobbyist. That much you know.
>
> But I know for a fact, that if the brightest and most ambitious of
> 'wreckers' were to put their collective abilities together, there
> would be profit. Big gobs of money.
> But how do you sell a redneck on the word 'collective'?? =A0LOL
>
> As a closet American, I will never apologise for making money. I am
> also convinced that we can kick some serious Asiatic ass with OUR
> manufacturing abilities.
> We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.
>
> *gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am curious that you would say that its not for the hobbyist, I would
think the situation would be ideal for the hobbyist or even a small
scale maker. But I have only looked into it briefly, I am waiting for
the software to see what it can do. Otherwise ill just go back to
using visio. But I really want some inexpensive way to make my cutlist
and design.

Mn

Mike

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

29/02/2008 12:21 PM

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:37:59 -0800 (PST), depictureboy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Feb 28, 8:57 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 12:54 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Robert Allison" wrote:
>> > > I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.
>>
>> > Sounds like it's time to practice<G>
>>
>> > Lew
>>
>> You won't need much practice. This little program is intuitive due to
>> its simplicity.
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> .
>> and proof that so many programs are too bloated.
>> Many programs are like getting into a car and looking at a dashboard
>> with 600 knobs and switches and all you want to do is drive. (the on-
>> board computer of the space shuttle has one meg of RAM.)
>
>www.ecabinetsoftware.com
>
>I havent used their software yet (its on the way) but its free for
>use, but there is some condition about using their vendors...


Maybe I'm missing something here but all that page leads to is a page
full of assorted links

screencap here:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7115/image1nw2.jpg


--

RC

Robatoy

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 7:24 PM

On Feb 28, 10:18=A0pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 6:44 pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>Robatoy wrote:
>
> >>>On Feb 28, 6:09 pm, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>"Robatoy" wrote
>
> >>>>>We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.
> >>>>>*gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....
>
> >>>>=A1Usted debe primero aprender hacerlo en espa=F1ol, se=F1or!
>
> >>>>:)
>
> >>>Tengo bastante dificultad el expresarse en ingl=E9s, gracias mucho.
>
> >>>( NO frickin' idea what this really says.. it's a dashboard
> >>>translator... for all I know, I just promised him to wash his car)
>
> >>Just so you can compare, you said: =A0"I have enough difficulty
> >>expressing myself in english, thank you very much."
>
> >>--
>
> > Cool! So it worked as advertised, eh? (Those darn macintoshes, eh?)
>
> They work kind of fair to middling. =A0I speak fairly good spanish,
> but I use them when I want to be sure that what I am saying is
> correct (I have a lot of problems with past and future tenses).
> I am fine in the present. =A0Sometimes they can really screw up a
> translation.
>
> Here is a fun thing to do to see what they are capable of:
>
> Type out a paragraph or so into the translation text box.
> Translate it into spanish. =A0Now translate it back into english.
> You will see just how accurate they are. =A0If you really want to
> have some fun, translate it into spanish, then into french, then
> into italian, then into german, then back into english. =A0If it
> resembles your original at all, it is a miracle.
>
> --

LOL... yes, I recall an experiment many years ago when a few students
tried to prove the accuracy of a Russian>English>Russian translation
program.

They started off with:
"The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak"
it came back as:
"The booze is okay but the meat is rotten."

RA

Robert Allison

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

27/02/2008 11:51 PM

Robatoy wrote:

> On Feb 24, 6:35 pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>bob kater wrote:
>>
>>>Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
>>>retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible artist
>>>trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free but have not
>>>had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.
>>
>>I like and use this one:
>>
>>www.cabinetplanner.com
>>
>>I have used it for about a year now, it is customizable to your
>>method of building cabinets (for the most part) and is not
>>difficult at all. Cheap, too.
>>
>>I just wish that you could copy and paste a customized cabinet.
>>There might be a way to do that, but I have not found it yet.
>>
>>It also contains a cut sheet function that lays out your sheet
>>goods for optimal usage of sheets. That is very handy.
>>
>>The material list tells you exactly how many board feet of lumber
>>you need for everything.
>>
>
>
> I downloaded that little nugget. Played with it several times and I'm
> amazed. What a bargain. Easy to learn and very useful.
> I was very surprised at its capability.
> It is not glossy and doesn't do photo-reaslistic rendering, or even
> shadows (afaik), but it will do a great job laying out a kitchen and
> give the builder a clue about what he's about to undertake.
>
> That is why I keep coming back here.. to find things like this. Thanks
> for the tip, Robert.
>
> r
>

To me, the sheet layout and board layout is worth the price. One
thing that I hate is trying to figure out how to get the most out
of a sheet of plywood. How can I configure these 18 pieces on
this sheet? This program does it for you. If you have a certain
length of lumber, it does that for you, too.

If you haven't looked at that part of the program, check it out.

When you have a few cabinets done, click on the calculate button.
Click on one of the panel layout buttons, click on the method
button, and watch what it gives you. Very cool.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

RA

Robert Allison

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

24/02/2008 11:35 PM

bob kater wrote:
> Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
> retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible artist
> trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free but have not
> had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.
>
>

I like and use this one:

www.cabinetplanner.com

I have used it for about a year now, it is customizable to your
method of building cabinets (for the most part) and is not
difficult at all. Cheap, too.

I just wish that you could copy and paste a customized cabinet.
There might be a way to do that, but I have not found it yet.

It also contains a cut sheet function that lays out your sheet
goods for optimal usage of sheets. That is very handy.

The material list tells you exactly how many board feet of lumber
you need for everything.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 5:09 PM


"Robatoy" wrote

> We, Americandians just have to wake-the-fuck up and get to work.

> *gasp*..I just cussed....I do that when I get passionate....

¡Usted debe primero aprender hacerlo en español, señor!

:)

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/14/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)

RA

Robert Allison

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 5:05 AM

Lew Hodgett wrote:

> "Robert Allison" wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>To me, the sheet layout and board layout is worth the price. One
>>thing that I hate is trying to figure out how to get the most out
>>of a sheet of plywood. How can I configure these 18 pieces on
>>this sheet? This program does it for you. If you have a certain
>>length of lumber, it does that for you, too.
>
>
> As the old time plant engineer, faced with a new plant layout job
> would say, "...It's paper doll time."
>
> A 4x4 grid of graph paper, a pair of shears, a drafting pencil, and
> you are in business.
>
> If it is a one shot project, my bet is I'm done before you can load
> (type) the data into the program.
>
> Lew

Well, I designed a set of cabinets for a small job. 24 lf of
uppers, 32 lf of lowers, and a window seat.

When I was done with the design, I pressed the calculate button,
clicked on the correct buttons and in 3 seconds I had the cut
sheets for every piece of plywood for the backs, sides, bottoms,
door panels and tops. Plus the correct cutting method to get the
most out of my 12 foot lumber for every piece of face stiles and
rails, door stiles and rails, and toe kicks, AND how long to cut
each one.

I can't even get out the graph paper that fast.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

BB

"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

27/02/2008 7:05 PM

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:35:45 GMT, Robert Allison
<[email protected]> wrote:

>bob kater wrote:
>> Looking for a reasonably priced short learning curve software. Past
>> retirement and have built some cabinets as I go, but I am a terrible artist
>> trying to lay them out freehand. Any thoughts? Sketchup is free but have not
>> had a bit of luck learning how to use it for cabinets etc.
>>
>>
>
>I like and use this one:
>
>www.cabinetplanner.com
>

This looks REALLY interesting.

I use Cutlist now, but I'm going to give your suggestion a shot based
on the extra features.

Thanks for sharing!

Di

"Dave in Houston"

in reply to "bob kater" on 24/02/2008 6:29 PM

28/02/2008 3:48 AM


"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> If it is a one shot project, my bet is I'm done before you can load
> (type) the data into the program.

Lew, I'm surprised you're not mailing your post in.

Dave in Houston


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