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"Swingman"

12/03/2007 6:42 AM

OT - DST

Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder how
many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark the
next few weeks?

Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.

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"efgh"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 1:49 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder
>> how
>> many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark
>> the
>> next few weeks?
>>
>> Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.
>
>
> I wonder how much money it costs to turn all the clocks back?
> Apparently this was the idea that actually got implemented in 1929 by the
> Germans to conserve fuel during WWI IIRC.
>
> Global warming is a concern to many and now we add another hour to the day
> light!
We don't add another hour to the day light. We just shift the time so it's
lighter later in the day but darker in the morning.


Rd

"Robatoy"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 8:05 AM

On Mar 12, 8:42 am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder how
> many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark the
> next few weeks?
>
> Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 2/20/07

I think it is an early profit-grab by the batteries people. They keep
telling us to change all the batteries in the smoke alarm when the
Time changes. Also, they're in Cahoots ( a small town in Alberta) with
the watch makers, who operate under the philosophy that 'things break
when you screw around with them' and it's just their ploy to sell more
watches. Now get this little-known conspiracy agenda......most people
don't know how to reset their digital watches and DVD/VCR
players..and, the idiots we all can be, we have lost our manuals to
help us change the time.
So, off we go to buy new ones, those that come with manuals, so we can
be on time again....some even get new cars because the clock in the
radio needs resetting.

There is more to The New DST than meets the eye...and I'll tie it into
Iraq and the neo-cons by this afternoon and fire up a website and make
CNN by midnight.

r

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 6:53 PM

"efgh" <[email protected]> wrote in news:%TcJh.65033$Du6.4857@edtnps82:

>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>

*snip*

>>
>> Global warming is a concern to many and now we add another hour to
>> the day light!
> We don't add another hour to the day light. We just shift the time so
> it's lighter later in the day but darker in the morning.
>

What? You mean we don't add another hour to the day light? *mental
image of the world collapses*

DST is just a stupid human trick.
Alarm clocks are human torture devices.
Caffeine is used to keep you awake due to the above.

Puckdropper
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RM

"Rick M"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 6:24 PM


"Robatoy" wrote
> On Mar 12, 8:42 am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.
> >
> I think it is an early profit-grab by the batteries people.
snip
> Also, they're in Cahoots ( a small town in Alberta) with
> the watch makers,
snip
> Now get this little-known conspiracy agenda......most people
> don't know how to reset their digital watches and DVD/VCR
> players..
snip
> ... some even get new cars because the clock in the
> radio needs resetting.
snip

> There is more to The New DST than meets the eye...and I'll tie it into
> Iraq and the neo-cons by this afternoon and fire up a website and make
> CNN by midnight.
snip

I'll go ahead and invoke Goodwin's Law right now to save the trouble later
(whenever later happens to be this time of year).

GDR

Rick

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

13/03/2007 2:54 AM

According to a recent study at UC Berkley, it doesn't save anything.

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:42:25 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Wonder how much money is really being saved, especially given all the
> extra energy that was required to modify all the systems to account for
> this new start time.


tt

"todd"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 9:54 PM

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:42:25 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder
>>how
>>many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark
>>the
>>next few weeks?
>>
>>Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.
>
> Wonder how much money is really being saved, especially given all the
> extra energy that was required to modify all the systems to account for
> this new start time.
>
> [Don't have a dog in this fight, AZ doesn't do DST. Amazingly civilized;
> not having to wake up today jet-lagged despite not going anywhere]

As a network admin, it was a pain to implement. But hey, we would have just
been goofing off reading users' email otherwise, so it isn't really a net
cost. ;-)
And this is presumably a one-time thing. At least until the next time they
decide to change it. And if you get jet-lag from a one hour time change,
you must be very, um, sensitive. ;-)

todd

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

13/03/2007 8:48 AM

"todd" wrote in message

> I hope there's never a solar eclipse that affects Houston. They'll
probably
> have to reopen the Astrodome as triage for all the accident victims.

Yeah, what's with that?

Didn't they teach the asshole transplants, who now make up most of the
population, to drive in the dark before they came down here to Texas?

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Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

13/03/2007 4:20 AM


"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:12:07 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
> wrote:
>>
>>Wonder why you think there's any reason to suppose the number will be any
>>higher than it was two months ago, when it was dark with*out* DST?
>
>
> I was wondering the same thing.
>
> In December, some kids went in AND returned from school in the dark.
> <G>

In December it was dark every day at the same time and gradually got darker
and or lighter over a period of weeks.

With DST the mornings are "suddenly" dark again. No adjustment period,
like the gradual darkening of days in December.


Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 2:06 PM


"efgh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%TcJh.65033$Du6.4857@edtnps82...

> We don't add another hour to the day light. We just shift the time so
> it's lighter later in the day but darker in the morning.


Yeah that's what they want you to believe. ;~) I hope the hood went in
easy.


Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 1:06 PM


"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder
> how
> many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark
> the
> next few weeks?
>
> Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.


I wonder how much money it costs to turn all the clocks back?
Apparently this was the idea that actually got implemented in 1929 by the
Germans to conserve fuel during WWI IIRC.

Global warming is a concern to many and now we add another hour to the day
light!

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

13/03/2007 12:32 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:12:07 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Wonder why you think there's any reason to suppose the number will be any
>>>higher than it was two months ago, when it was dark with*out* DST?
>>
>>
>> I was wondering the same thing.
>>
>> In December, some kids went in AND returned from school in the dark.
>> <G>
>
>In December it was dark every day at the same time and gradually got darker
>and or lighter over a period of weeks.
>
> With DST the mornings are "suddenly" dark again. No adjustment period,
>like the gradual darkening of days in December.

Doesn't make it any darker....

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

13/03/2007 9:21 AM

"Dave Hall" wrote in message

> I dunno, how many were hurt a month or so ago when it was just as dark
> in the morning as it is now?

It's called latitude?

IIRC, the FIRST time it was ever that dark at 7AM in this area was on March
11, 2007.

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Mark & Juanita

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 7:40 PM

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:42:25 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder how
>many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark the
>next few weeks?
>
>Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.

Wonder how much money is really being saved, especially given all the
extra energy that was required to modify all the systems to account for
this new start time.

[Don't have a dog in this fight, AZ doesn't do DST. Amazingly civilized;
not having to wake up today jet-lagged despite not going anywhere]



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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

13/03/2007 4:24 AM


"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:42:25 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder
>>how
>>many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark
>>the
>>next few weeks?
>>
>>Politicians never cease in the ways of demonstrating stupidity.
>
> Wonder how much money is really being saved, especially given all the
> extra energy that was required to modify all the systems to account for
> this new start time.
>
> [Don't have a dog in this fight, AZ doesn't do DST. Amazingly civilized;
> not having to wake up today jet-lagged despite not going anywhere]

Since every one is working, shopping and waking up when it is lighter and
hotter in the summer I suspect that more energy is used as a result.
When DST was originally implemented in Germany it was 1929. Not too many
air conditioners were being used like there is today. They wanted to save
energy on lighting not cooling.

DH

Dave Hall

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 5:32 PM

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:49:47 GMT, "efgh" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder
>>> how
>>> many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark
>>> the
>>> next few weeks?

I dunno, how many were hurt a month or so ago when it was just as dark
in the morning as it is now?

Dave Hall

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 11:47 PM

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:12:07 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>
>Wonder why you think there's any reason to suppose the number will be any
>higher than it was two months ago, when it was dark with*out* DST?


I was wondering the same thing.

In December, some kids went in AND returned from school in the dark.
<G>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 6:10 PM


"Dave Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:49:47 GMT, "efgh" <[email protected]> wrote:
>

>
> I dunno, how many were hurt a month or so ago when it was just as dark
> in the morning as it is now?
>
> Dave Hall

In Houston it is almost a weekly occurrence that you hear of an accident
involving a school bus.
6 to 8 weeks ago all mornings were dark and the days were gradually getting
lighter since then.

Suddenly this morning it has gone back to Dark again. Its the sudden change
that prompts accidents, not the natural gradual change.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 12:12 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Around here school bus drivers are the bottom of the food chain. Wonder how
>many kids, nationwide, are going to get hurt going to school in the dark the
>next few weeks?

Wonder why you think there's any reason to suppose the number will be any
higher than it was two months ago, when it was dark with*out* DST?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

tt

"todd"

in reply to "Swingman" on 12/03/2007 6:42 AM

12/03/2007 7:19 PM

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dave Hall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:49:47 GMT, "efgh" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> I dunno, how many were hurt a month or so ago when it was just as dark
>> in the morning as it is now?
>>
>> Dave Hall
>
> In Houston it is almost a weekly occurrence that you hear of an accident
> involving a school bus.
> 6 to 8 weeks ago all mornings were dark and the days were gradually
> getting lighter since then.
>
> Suddenly this morning it has gone back to Dark again. Its the sudden
> change that prompts accidents, not the natural gradual change.

I hope there's never a solar eclipse that affects Houston. They'll probably
have to reopen the Astrodome as triage for all the accident victims.

todd


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