On 3/30/2018 10:51 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 3/20/2018 9:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>>
>> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were
>> "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just
>> about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed
>> trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
>>
>> Left it under my storage room for several months, and the molds and
>> fungi would do their work. Got some interesting stuff! For anyone
>> that tries it, soft woods work best. Take the molded stuff out of the
>> trash bag and let it dry out slowly over a month or so then turn it.
>
> Interesting that soft wood works best. The only wood I've seen spalt is
> Maple. I've done a lot of spalted maple turnings from spalted maple
> fire wood but really don't recall seeing other woods spalt? Not saying
> you're wrong, just that it surprises me. I never forced the issue, just
> used naturally spalted stuff. Does the other woods look anything like
> spalted maple, or is maple a unique look?
>
>
Common oak fire wood "spalts". My dad used to have his oak tree limbs
trimmed and I cut them up for fire wood. Several years ago I was going
to use some of that wood for our smoker and decided to rip the logs with
my band saw. After seeing the insides of the logs I decided to cut
veneers instead of burning it. Click below to see the fronts of a
couple of jewelry chests I built about 10 years ago. The doors have
that spalted oak.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/4335052244/in/dateposted-public/
And details on the apron ends of a desk I built in 2007. Zoom in.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8621157675/in/album-72157630857421932/
On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 8:48:24 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>
> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
In a way, forced spalting is natural. Uses the same process, fungi and/or mold. The difference is one placing the ingredients in place, rather than it naturally occurring.
Another example: Holiday pumpkins, left on a table top too long, often mold and discolor the table. Obviously, other produce will do the same.
I usually hose off the saw dust and dirt from freshly milled lumber. If it's not washed thoroughly, any remaining debris might mold, causing discoloration, even if it's stickered. The last pine I milled discolored this way.
One of the reasons lumber mills continuously spray water on their cache of logs is to help prevent spalting.
Sonny
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:16:24 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 1:37:48 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
>> On 3/31/2018 1:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> > And I always assumed it was to keep the wood from becoming a huge
>> > potential fire hazard.
>>
>> Mostly to keep from drying too rapidly and checking until get to the saw...
>
>Yep, prevent checking and ....
>Keeping the wood wet makes for easier sawing, as opposed to sawing dry wood. Some fungi doesn't grow well in/on saturated wood. Powder post beetles avoid wet wood.... probably some other bugs, also, like the carpenter bee.
OTOH, carpenter ants love the stuff.
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:51:43 -0400, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3/20/2018 9:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>>
>> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
>>
>> Left it under my storage room for several months, and the molds and fungi would do their work. Got some interesting stuff! For anyone that tries it, soft woods work best. Take the molded stuff out of the trash bag and let it dry out slowly over a month or so then turn it.
>
>Interesting that soft wood works best. The only wood I've seen spalt is
>Maple. I've done a lot of spalted maple turnings from spalted maple
>fire wood but really don't recall seeing other woods spalt? Not saying
>you're wrong, just that it surprises me. I never forced the issue, just
>used naturally spalted stuff. Does the other woods look anything like
>spalted maple, or is maple a unique look?
Have a Sycamore bowl with spalting.
On 3/31/2018 10:30 AM, Sonny wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 8:48:24 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>>
>> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
>
> In a way, forced spalting is natural. Uses the same process, fungi and/or mold. The difference is one placing the ingredients in place, rather than it naturally occurring.
>
> Another example: Holiday pumpkins, left on a table top too long, often mold and discolor the table. Obviously, other produce will do the same.
>
> I usually hose off the saw dust and dirt from freshly milled lumber. If it's not washed thoroughly, any remaining debris might mold, causing discoloration, even if it's stickered. The last pine I milled discolored this way.
>
> One of the reasons lumber mills continuously spray water on their cache of logs is to help prevent spalting.
And I always assumed it was to keep the wood from becoming a huge
potential fire hazard.
On 4/1/2018 9:23 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 3/30/2018 12:06 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/30/2018 10:51 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2018 9:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>>>>
>>>> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were
>>>> "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just
>>>> about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed
>>>> trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
>>>>
>>>> Left it under my storage room for several months, and the molds and
>>>> fungi would do their work. Got some interesting stuff! For anyone
>>>> that tries it, soft woods work best. Take the molded stuff out of
>>>> the trash bag and let it dry out slowly over a month or so then turn
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Interesting that soft wood works best. The only wood I've seen spalt
>>> is Maple. I've done a lot of spalted maple turnings from spalted
>>> maple fire wood but really don't recall seeing other woods spalt? Not
>>> saying you're wrong, just that it surprises me. I never forced the
>>> issue, just used naturally spalted stuff. Does the other woods look
>>> anything like spalted maple, or is maple a unique look?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Common oak fire wood "spalts". My dad used to have his oak tree limbs
>> trimmed and I cut them up for fire wood. Several years ago I was going
>> to use some of that wood for our smoker and decided to rip the logs with
>> my band saw. After seeing the insides of the logs I decided to cut
>> veneers instead of burning it. Click below to see the fronts of a
>> couple of jewelry chests I built about 10 years ago. The doors have
>> that spalted oak.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/4335052244/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> And details on the apron ends of a desk I built in 2007. Zoom in.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8621157675/in/album-72157630857421932/
>>
>
> Yes, those apron ends look exactly like the spalted maple I'm used to
> seeing. The doors not so much, but certainly spalted.
>
The aprons are Oak. Same oak as on the doors.
On Saturday, March 31, 2018 at 1:37:48 PM UTC-5, dpb wrote:
> On 3/31/2018 1:03 PM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>
> > And I always assumed it was to keep the wood from becoming a huge
> > potential fire hazard.
>
> Mostly to keep from drying too rapidly and checking until get to the saw...
Yep, prevent checking and ....
Keeping the wood wet makes for easier sawing, as opposed to sawing dry wood. Some fungi doesn't grow well in/on saturated wood. Powder post beetles avoid wet wood.... probably some other bugs, also, like the carpenter bee.
Sonny
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:14:47 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>is it possible to spalt wood
>the spalted wood i have seen is natural but looking at it it seems to just
>be wood that has mold growing in and on it
>guess there is really only one way to find out
>but anyone tried it
>
https://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/techline/producing-spalted-wood.pdf
Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were "forc=
e" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just about anyt=
hing else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed trash bag covered w=
ith all the green shavings.
Left it under my storage room for several months, and the molds and fungi w=
ould do their work. Got some interesting stuff! For anyone that tries it, =
soft woods work best. Take the molded stuff out of the trash bag and let i=
t dry out slowly over a month or so then turn it.
Robert
On 3/20/2018 6:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:14:47 -0700, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> is it possible to spalt wood
>> the spalted wood i have seen is natural but looking at it it seems to just
>> be wood that has mold growing in and on it
>> guess there is really only one way to find out
>> but anyone tried it
>>
>
>
> https://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/techline/producing-spalted-wood.pdf
>
FWW had an article a few years ago, too...
--
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>
> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were
> "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just
> about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed
> trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
going to try this
worse that can happen is i end up with more firewood
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:34:00 -0400
[email protected] wrote:
> https://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/techline/producing-spalted-wood.pdf
how did it work for you
On 3/20/2018 9:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>
> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
>
> Left it under my storage room for several months, and the molds and fungi would do their work. Got some interesting stuff! For anyone that tries it, soft woods work best. Take the molded stuff out of the trash bag and let it dry out slowly over a month or so then turn it.
Interesting that soft wood works best. The only wood I've seen spalt is
Maple. I've done a lot of spalted maple turnings from spalted maple
fire wood but really don't recall seeing other woods spalt? Not saying
you're wrong, just that it surprises me. I never forced the issue, just
used naturally spalted stuff. Does the other woods look anything like
spalted maple, or is maple a unique look?
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:51:43 [email protected] wrote:
> Interesting that soft wood works best. The only wood I've seen spalt
> is Maple. I've done a lot of spalted maple turnings from spalted
> maple fire wood but really don't recall seeing other woods spalt?
> Not saying you're wrong, just that it surprises me. I never forced
> the issue, just used naturally spalted stuff. Does the other woods
> look anything like spalted maple, or is maple a unique look?
the wood i have is some kind of citrus i think
On 3/30/2018 12:06 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/30/2018 10:51 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 3/20/2018 9:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Natural spalting is best, no way around it.
>>>
>>> But years ago when I was doing a lot of wood turning a lot of us were
>>> "force" spalting by rough turning a bowl, Christmas ornament, or just
>>> about anything else, and we put the objects into a tightly sealed
>>> trash bag covered with all the green shavings.
>>>
>>> Left it under my storage room for several months, and the molds and
>>> fungi would do their work. Got some interesting stuff! For anyone
>>> that tries it, soft woods work best. Take the molded stuff out of
>>> the trash bag and let it dry out slowly over a month or so then turn it.
>>
>> Interesting that soft wood works best. The only wood I've seen spalt
>> is Maple. I've done a lot of spalted maple turnings from spalted
>> maple fire wood but really don't recall seeing other woods spalt? Not
>> saying you're wrong, just that it surprises me. I never forced the
>> issue, just used naturally spalted stuff. Does the other woods look
>> anything like spalted maple, or is maple a unique look?
>>
>>
>
> Common oak fire wood "spalts". My dad used to have his oak tree limbs
> trimmed and I cut them up for fire wood. Several years ago I was going
> to use some of that wood for our smoker and decided to rip the logs with
> my band saw. After seeing the insides of the logs I decided to cut
> veneers instead of burning it. Click below to see the fronts of a
> couple of jewelry chests I built about 10 years ago. The doors have
> that spalted oak.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/4335052244/in/dateposted-public/
>
> And details on the apron ends of a desk I built in 2007. Zoom in.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8621157675/in/album-72157630857421932/
Yes, those apron ends look exactly like the spalted maple I'm used to
seeing. The doors not so much, but certainly spalted.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 3/31/2018 2:37 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 3/31/2018 1:03 PM, Leon wrote:
> ...
>
>> And I always assumed it was to keep the wood from becoming a huge
>> potential fire hazard.
>
> Mostly to keep from drying too rapidly and checking until get to the saw...
>
> --
+1
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com