Recommendation For First Circular Saw

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 2:40:34 PM UTC-5, Sonny wrote:
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>=20
> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Po=
rter
> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no=
longer=20
> > available, other than used.=20
>=20
> Though not my preference to buy used, especially for a daughter's gift of=
any kind, consider this, maybe:
>=20
> Seems your daughter is a practical woman. She may appreciate a practica=
l gift option, even if used. =20
>=20
> Home Depot has this Ryobi combo set for $129. I bought one about a year=
ago, a convenient kit I kept at my Mother's house.
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-4-Tool=
-Super-Combo-Kit-with-2-1-3-Ah-Batteries-Dual-Chemistry-Charger-and-Tool-Ba=
g-P883/203466914
>=20
> The drill is very good. It's nice to have an additional drill (I have 3 =
total, 1 heavy corded, keyed chuck Milwaukee and 2 battery Ryobis). I use=
all of them, often. These Ryobi drills aren't quite strong enough to eas=
ily drill a half inch hole in cypress, a somewhat soft wood, but otherwise =
does a very good job with smaller bits. The quick change bits (no keyed ch=
uck) is convenient for most of my uses.
>=20
> The saber saw is somewhat weak, but ok for small cuts. The blade that c=
ame with it is poor, for cutting 1" poplar boards (see chair example below)=
. I don't know if better blades can be purchased. A better blade would m=
ake it an overall better tool, than as is.
>=20
> Same for the circular saw, weak, but ok for thin boards and/or small jobs=
(like pallet boards). I recently used the circular saw to cut up a arm ch=
air frame.... 1" poplar wood. It performed reasonably well for this job. =
It's not a heavy duty tool.


I inherited a Ryobi 18 volt combo set from my Dad. The old blue & black sty=
le.
6" C-saw, jigsaw, drill. Weak isn't the word for it. Unusable for any serio=
us
work is a better description. Maybe the new green Lithium stuff is better, =
but
since you called them "weak", I'm gonna stick with my "No Ryobi tools for m=
e"
rule. That rule extends to buying them for my immediate family.

>=20
> ??? A pawnshop buy may be reasonable for a stronger/beefier tool, despit=
e used. I would suppose pawn shops may be receiving lots of reasonable to=
ols this time of year. Might be worth a look-see, there. Hand-spin the =
arbor to check for odd sounds, roughness, grinding or other unusual anomali=
es (possible problems?). The pawnshop should have an outlet to test its =
operation, as well.
>=20
> Some years ago, while visiting my sister in NC, I bought a C-saw at a paw=
n shop for $35, for doing a few chores, there. She still uses it, still in=
good condition.
>=20

I picked up a barely used PC690 Router and a Dewalt ROS for $80 at pawn sho=
p
last year. All I was looking for was an extra fixed base for my 690 to moun=
t=20
to the router table I had just built when I stumbled across the Craigslist =
ad
for the whole router. I didn't know that it was a pawn shop until I called=
=20
them. I hadn't even planned on buying a ROS, but I'm sure glad I found that=
=20
one amongst the pile of beat up sanders.

This place also sells a lot of brand new combo sets, mostly Dewalt. Only=20
problem is that their price isn't low enough for me to forgo the warranty.
Maybe I should check again and see what they have in stock.

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:34:28 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > Yeah, I'm torn between a jig saw and a circular saw. My brain says a
> > decent jig saw is enough for now, but I've used my 743 so much more
> > than any jig saw I've owned that I'm biased. [Or is it my heart that
> > says a jig saw is enough? I'm always confused by which one is talking
> > to me. ;-) ]
> >
> > When I look at a pallet (yes, we're being very specific here) I see
> > the deck boards that a jig saw is perfect for, then I see the
> > stringers which probably require a circular saw to cut to size. Then,
> > when I think about them building a shelf or even a book case, I can
> > see a jig saw eventually getting it done, but a circular getting it
> > done so much quicker/easier. Thus my torn-ness.
> >
> > BTW I recently replaced a POS jig saw with a Bosch JS470E. What a
> > difference paying three times as much makes. ;-) Well worth it.
>
> The circular saw will give you a quick and accurate cut with square
> edges, while the jigsaw will take a lot longer to get the same square
> edges. Jigsaw blades by their very nature tend to deflect as you try to
> cut faster so you have to run the tool very slowly to get square edges.
> Even a good saw with good blades will do that.
>
> For most of my home projects, square edges and a reasonable cut speed
> trumps the flexibility of a jigsaw.
>

Those were my thoughts exactly and the main reason I have spend countless
hours behind a circular saw and only grabbed the jig saw in very limited
situations.

I have a table saw, miter saw, band saw, circular saw and jig saw. The
table and miter saws are 1A and 1B as far as hours of use. The jig saw
is so far down the list that it can't even see the other saws. ;-)

That said, I'm still not sure that a jig saw isn't the best saw as a
"first saw". If tools weren't so "job specific" the choice would be
easy. :-(

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 8:33:07 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 17:09:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:39:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >> >> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> >> >> > She's 26.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> >> >> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> >> >> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> >> >> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> >> >> > (I think).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> >> >> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> >> >> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> >> >> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> >> >> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >> >>
> >> >> Milwaukee 6391
> >> >>
> >> >> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
> >> >> complaints/issues.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
> >> >> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/
> >> >
> >> >Are you right-handed or left?
> >> >
> >> >While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,
> >> >the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
> >> >of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.
> >> >
> >> >The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
> >> >away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
> >> >used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.
> >> >
> >> >The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
> >> >I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
> >> >can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?
> >>
> >> I think you're right. The manual doesn't say anything about an
> >> exhaust adapter and it gets dinged in the reviews for this.
> >>
> >> I really like the shoe on the CS10 but it's, of course, a right-blade
> >> saw. It has the slot for the sawdust port, as well. There's always
> >> Festool. ;-)
> >
> >...or used PC 743's
> >
> >I'm glad I found one at a decent price. Once I change the cord and retainer,
> >and factor in the gas to go get it, I'm probably at $160ish. That's the very,
> >very low end of the ebay listings and I got to test it before paying for it.
>
> That's pretty pricey for a circular saw. Lowes has the CS10 for $99.
> The Ryobi 18V brushless cordless 7-1/4" saw is left-blade and $119.
> Bosch's left-blade cordless is $129 but is only 6-1/2".

Have you ever tried a PC 743? Lot's of people on various forums lamenting
the fact the PC, back when it really was PC, stopped making them.

It really is a nice saw. Bottom line, since I have one and really like
it, I don't mind spending $160ish to get one for my daughter.

> >
> >Toss in a chat-filled 3 hour drive with SWMBO and I think I got a pretty good
> >deal. ;-)
>
> Road trips are always fun. We do a circuit of the Atlanta woodworking
> stores every so often. 2x Woodcraft, 2x Rockler (though haven't been
> to the new one yet), Peachtree, and Highland (SWMO even likes to go to
> Highland).
>
> I seem to spend a lot of time at Emory hospital, anymore, which is
> only a couple of miles from Highland. After Dr's appointments, SWMBO
> calls it my lollypop. ;-)

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
> >>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
> >>>
> >
> > What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
> >long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
> >cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
> >degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
>
> You're not answering the question. What sabre saws (brand, model)
> have you actually tried with?
>
> I concur on the accuracy, power and usefulness of the Bosch, and
> believe that would be the best power saw of the three for DadiOH
> to give to his daughter (which was the point of this thread).
>

I found a left blade PC 743 (my saw) on CL for $120. Haven't contacted the guy yet.
He's a 1.75 hour drive from me. I'm almost hoping he sold it already. ;-)

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> > She's 26.
> >
> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> > (I think).
> >
> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >
> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >
> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
>
> Milwaukee 6391
>
> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
> complaints/issues.
>
> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/

Thanks. That price is certainly attractive.

The main thing it lacks vs. the PC 743/843 is a dust collection port.
However, the price is low enough that I can buy her a matching broom. ;-)

https://www.ebay.com/i/262897914419

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 10:23:39 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:49:48 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daught=
er.
> >She's 26.
> >
> >Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Por=
ter
> >Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no =
longer=20
> >available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same=
saw
> >but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same l=
ine.
> >(I think).
> >
> >So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions f=
or=20
> >decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >
> >No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;=
-)
> >All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> >and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also=20
> >mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >
> >Any thoughts? Thanks!
>=20
> I gave my Dewalt rear pivot saw (nice saw) to my son and have been
> looking for a replacement. I think I've settled on the Bosch CS10
> magnesium shoe. I've knocked several saws out of square and the Bosch
> seems to have a pretty solid pivot mechanism. It's a RH saw, however.
> Bosch also has the CS5, which is a LH saw but has a steel shoe. It's
> a bit more expensive ($116 vs. $99 at Lowes).

$116 is nothing, relatively speaking,

The 743=E2=80=99s on eBay start at $150 and go up to (gasp) $250. I think I=
paid $170ish=20
15ish years ago.

I know PC isn't the same PC as it used to be and my Bosch glide miter saw i=
s pretty good,=20
so maybe the CS5 isn't a bad idea. Too bad my daughter's partner is left ha=
nded. The saw
will be for both of them, but my daughter's handness wins.

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:32:21 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wr=
ote:
> On 12/8/2018 11:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes =
sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless.=
I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations=
. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an ele=
ctric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dan=
gerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a ji=
gsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular =
saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And wi=
th circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make =
a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews ma=
ke freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more sk=
ill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
> I third the suggestion to abandon the saw. I got a good deal on a=20
> circular saw about 10 years ago. I though I was going to use it for=20
> some minor house repairs. It turned out those were done as part of a=20
> larger contracted repair and the saw never used. Today it the saw is in=
=20
> the original packaging.

While I appreciate the response, your reason for "abandoning" the circular
saw appears to be based on your very specific situation.

In a nutshell, you were going to use the saw to repair something then decid=
ed=20
to pay someone to do it for you. Sure, there was more to the situation than=
=20
that, but that's so far removed from "cutting up some pallets" that it
just doesn't apply.

>=20
> While the jig saw does not have the Tim-The-Tool-man glamor, I vote for=
=20
> a jig saw, as it does most of the cutting need by the average home owner.

Is that what you use? What model did you buy?

>=20
> If you would like to get and additional gift I would look at a good=20
> battery powered screw driver with a large selection of bits. ie differ=20
> screw drive bits, a selection of nut driver bits, some Allen wrench, and=
=20
> torque type bits. They will use that nearly every time they have to=20
> remove a screw .

Not a bad idea, but the request was worded has "We'd like to try some=20
woodworking projects." Her cordless drill can be used for both woodworking
and repairs. She already uses for repairs.

>=20
> While it will not be used as much as the power screw drive I would also=
=20
> consider a Dremel type tool with a full complement of bits. What the=20
> jig saw or power screw drive can not do the Dremel with the appropriate=
=20
> bit will.
>=20

Also a good idea.

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> > She's 26.
> >
> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> > (I think).
> >
> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >
> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >
> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
>
> Milwaukee 6391
>
> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
> complaints/issues.
>
> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/

Are you right-handed or left?

While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,
the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.

The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.

The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?

In any case, I bought a used 743 for my right handed daughter. Her partner,
who happens to be left handed, will just have to deal with it. ;-)

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Port=
er
> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no l=
onger=20
> available, other than used.=20

Though not my preference to buy used, especially for a daughter's gift of a=
ny kind, consider this, maybe:

Seems your daughter is a practical woman. She may appreciate a practical =
gift option, even if used. =20

Home Depot has this Ryobi combo set for $129. I bought one about a year a=
go, a convenient kit I kept at my Mother's house.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-4-Tool-S=
uper-Combo-Kit-with-2-1-3-Ah-Batteries-Dual-Chemistry-Charger-and-Tool-Bag-=
P883/203466914

The drill is very good. It's nice to have an additional drill (I have 3 to=
tal, 1 heavy corded, keyed chuck Milwaukee and 2 battery Ryobis). I use a=
ll of them, often. These Ryobi drills aren't quite strong enough to easil=
y drill a half inch hole in cypress, a somewhat soft wood, but otherwise do=
es a very good job with smaller bits. The quick change bits (no keyed chuc=
k) is convenient for most of my uses.

The saber saw is somewhat weak, but ok for small cuts. The blade that cam=
e with it is poor, for cutting 1" poplar boards (see chair example below). =
I don't know if better blades can be purchased. A better blade would mak=
e it an overall better tool, than as is.

Same for the circular saw, weak, but ok for thin boards and/or small jobs (=
like pallet boards). I recently used the circular saw to cut up a arm chai=
r frame.... 1" poplar wood. It performed reasonably well for this job. =
It's not a heavy duty tool.

??? A pawnshop buy may be reasonable for a stronger/beefier tool, despite =
used. I would suppose pawn shops may be receiving lots of reasonable tool=
s this time of year. Might be worth a look-see, there. Hand-spin the ar=
bor to check for odd sounds, roughness, grinding or other unusual anomalies=
(possible problems?). The pawnshop should have an outlet to test its op=
eration, as well.

Some years ago, while visiting my sister in NC, I bought a C-saw at a pawn =
shop for $35, for doing a few chores, there. She still uses it, still in g=
ood condition.

Sonny

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:26:57 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:47:52 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:49:51 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> >> She's 26.
> >>
> >> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> >> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> >> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> >> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> >> (I think).
> >>
> >> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> >> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >>
> >> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> >> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> >> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> >> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >
> >Update: I found a left blade PC743 on Craigslist listed for $120. A guy
> >bought a one-price lot of tools at an estate sale and didn't need the saw.
> >As I mentioned in another post, you can't touch them on ebay for under $150
> >with shipping and you sure can't test them. Some are listed for well over
> >$200.
> >
> >It was a 3 hour round trip to get it. I offered him $110 and he took it.
> >He let me test it and it's a good thing that I brought my own blade. I knew
> >I wouldn't be able to test it if the blade was shot and boy, did I make the
> >right call. I barely got 1" into a piece of 5/4" x 12 pine when the burning
> >started. I put a new Diablo 60 tooth blade on it and it went through the
> >board like butter.
> >
> >Now I have twins:
> >
> >https://i.imgur.com/MZeyYZD.jpg
> >
> >I may change the cord before I give it to my daughter. It's a little dried
> >out, especially the strain relief section by the handle.
> >
> >I'm buying her the saw, one of my son's is going to buy her some different
> >types of blades, and my other son is going to buy her some (more) clamps.
> >All she'll need is a straight edge and some youtube videos, and she'll be
> >good to go.
> Excellent choice
> Glad you didn't succumb to the Brit (I believe) who was trying to
> convince you to go for a sabre saw!!!! (the least used of ALL my saws

It had nothing to do with succumbing or not. A saber saw was always a consideration and
I said as much earlier. I may still get her one. As you may have noticed, the title of this thread
wasn't "Recommedation for first saw". It specifically mentioned first *circular* saw.

That specific question was indeed addressed a couple of times but of course, other options
were included. Heck, someone even mentioned chisels and clamps. There's always drift,
and usually some arguing, but buried in these discussion is often some good information.

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:39:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> >> > She's 26.
> >> >
> >> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> >> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> >> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> >> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> >> > (I think).
> >> >
> >> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> >> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >> >
> >> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> >> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> >> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> >> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >> >
> >> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >>
> >> Milwaukee 6391
> >>
> >> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
> >> complaints/issues.
> >>
> >> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
> >> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/
> >
> >Are you right-handed or left?
> >
> >While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,
> >the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
> >of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.
> >
> >The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
> >away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
> >used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.
> >
> >The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
> >I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
> >can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?
>
> I think you're right. The manual doesn't say anything about an
> exhaust adapter and it gets dinged in the reviews for this.
>
> I really like the shoe on the CS10 but it's, of course, a right-blade
> saw. It has the slot for the sawdust port, as well. There's always
> Festool. ;-)

...or used PC 743's

I'm glad I found one at a decent price. Once I change the cord and retainer,
and factor in the gas to go get it, I'm probably at $160ish. That's the very,
very low end of the ebay listings and I got to test it before paying for it.

Toss in a chat-filled 3 hour drive with SWMBO and I think I got a pretty good
deal. ;-)

>
> >In any case, I bought a used 743 for my right handed daughter. Her partner,
> >who happens to be left handed, will just have to deal with it. ;-)

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 11:17:46 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> > She's 26.
> >
> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> > (I think).
> >
> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >
> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >
> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
>
> Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes
> sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless.
> I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations.
> Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an
> electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not
> dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a
> jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular
> saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And
> with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make
> a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews
> make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more
> skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.

Yeah, I'm torn between a jig saw and a circular saw. My brain says a decent
jig saw is enough for now, but I've used my 743 so much more than any jig
saw I've owned that I'm biased. [Or is it my heart that says a jig saw is
enough? I'm always confused by which one is talking to me. ;-) ]

When I look at a pallet (yes, we're being very specific here) I see the
deck boards that a jig saw is perfect for, then I see the stringers which
probably require a circular saw to cut to size. Then, when I think about
them building a shelf or even a book case, I can see a jig saw eventually
getting it done, but a circular getting it done so much quicker/easier.
Thus my torn-ness.

BTW I recently replaced a POS jig saw with a Bosch JS470E. What a difference
paying three times as much makes. ;-) Well worth it.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 10:17:46 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wr=
ote:
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daugh=
ter.
> > She's 26.
> >=20
> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Po=
rter
> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no=
longer=20
> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the sam=
e saw
> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same =
line.
> > (I think).
> >=20
> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions =
for=20
> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >=20
> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. =
;-)
> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworkin=
g
> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also=20
> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >=20
> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
>=20
> Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes se=
nse. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. =
I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. =
Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an elect=
ric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dange=
rous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigs=
aw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular sa=
w. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with=
circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a =
good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make=
freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skil=
l and daring than your daughter. Or me.



To add some more to my post. I've rebuilt a few houses and done some const=
ruction work in my life. But the first, and only circular saw I have is a =
Festool track saw. When I was doing some construction and remodeling house=
s, I never needed a circular saw. A jigsaw, reciprocating saw, or manual h=
andsaw worked fine for cutting wood. I had a table saw too. Unless you ar=
e a house framer, cutting studs or sheathing on the spot, a circular saw is=
n't a useful saw.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 13:48:41 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Whether that was true or not, that's what any Dad worth being a Dad would say. ;-)

Well I am a bit late, I have a Bosch CS 20. I like it a lot, main
thing I like was no tail, just plug in your extension cord and go.

On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:07:25 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>>> She's 26.
>>>
>>> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>>> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>>> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>>> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>>> (I think).
>>>
>>> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>>> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>>>
>>> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>>> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>>> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>>> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>>
>>Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
> A sawzall would be better for pallets - and a jigsaw is most
>certainly far from idiotproof - or "safe"

A lot of people have irrational fear of circular saws of any kind My
Dad was doing a good bit of building at one point (200 foot bulkhead,
150 foot dock, three-car garage and attached workshop of equal size,
storehouse (not "shed", it served the same function but had about a
thousand square feet of floorspace) and the only saw he had was a 20
buck jigsaw he got at the Navy Exchange (he actually had four of them
from which he had scavenged enough pieces to make one working
saw--they were really crappy). I got him a Sawzall and a Skil worm
drive saw and after he got over being afraid of the Skil (I I never
figured out why he was afraid of them--he was a Seabee in the Pacific
in WWII so lack of experience or exposure can't be it) he was happy as
a pig in shit. A few years later he told me the only good tools he
had were ones that I had given him.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:19:57 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
>>>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>>>>
>>
>> What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
>>long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
>>cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
>>degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
>
>You're not answering the question. What sabre saws (brand, model)
>have you actually tried with?
I've used many differnet ones over the decades including numerous
Black and Deckers of various vintages, Deltas, Millwukee, ShopMate and
other builder supply private brands, Hitachi, etc

They are OK for what they are made for - freehand cuts in thin
materials. Trim work mostly - or "hobby" or "craft" work - not
construction. Detail work - or "nibbling"
>
>I concur on the accuracy, power and usefulness of the Bosch, and
>believe that would be the best power saw of the three for DadiOH
>to give to his daughter (which was the point of this thread).
>
>Who likely will never need to cut 2x ironwood or a 4 incher.

Anyone working with "pallet wood" unless they are going to discard
the good heavy framing of the pallet (which "I" find usefull - - - - -

By 4 incher I was referring to a 4 inch cut in 2 inch rough lumber -
like a 2X4 The parts of the pallet you would use as the corner posts
of a compost bin being made of "pallet wood"

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 12:31:03 AM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 00:18:28 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 23:15:27 -0500, J. Clarke
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:54:31 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
> >>><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
> >>>>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
> >>>long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
> >>>cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
> >>>degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
> >>
> >>2X? You said 1x6. That's not "2X".
> >
> > "I" said I used all the rough 2Xs to frame my shed. 8 footers. Used
> >the 1X hardwood for the attic decking too
> >>
> >>I'm sorry but I did not take a stopwatch to it, I didn't notice
> >>anything remarkable about the cutting. As for the blade, it's
> >>whatever Bosch recommends, I don't know the number off the top of my
> >>head.
> >>
> >>>Good luck.
> >>> My 8 1/4 inch circular saw can do any of those cuts simply and
> >>>quickly AND accurately. The sawzall will do it quickly but not
> >>>accurately and certainly not consistantly.
> >>
> >>If I need accuracy that's that the table saw is for.
> >
> > Cutting framing on a table saw?????? Sure it CAN be done, but it's
> >easier to handle moving the circ saw over the wood than moving 8 ft
> >harwood 2X over the table saw.
>
> I'm sorry but I've never seen framing I couldn't cut adequately with a
> Bosch.
>
> >And accuracy is good for framing too.
>
> We seem to have different definitions of "accuracy".
>
> > Back in '64 building the addition on the family home Dad ripped half
> >the length of 14 foot 2X10 at an angle from 2 inches at the end to
> >zero at the 7 foot point, then nailed that wedge on top of the other
> >end to give a 4 inch roof slope. Nothing but a hand held circular saw
> >was in the running for that job - and a "cheap" saw wasn't up to the
> >job either!!!The roof was 36 feet long - burned out one saw and used
> >up most of the life of another one - after which he bought his first
> >GOOD circular saw.
>
> I don't think that this is the sort of work that the OP's daughter is
> planning to make from pallet wood. If she starts building warehouses
> she'll likely need a more comprehensive tool set.

You think perhaps we've gotten a little off track here? ;-)

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 7:47:55 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:

> All she'll need is a straight edge and some youtube videos,

And some pallets....

> and she'll be good to go.

Sonny

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughte=
r.
> She's 26.
>=20
> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Port=
er
> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no l=
onger=20
> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same =
saw
> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same li=
ne.
> (I think).
>=20
> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions fo=
r=20
> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>=20
> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-=
)
> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also=20
> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>=20
> Any thoughts? Thanks!

Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sens=
e. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I =
have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. C=
ordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electri=
c, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangero=
us. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw=
and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw.=
But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with c=
ircular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a go=
od, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make f=
reehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill =
and daring than your daughter. Or me.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:


>
>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>>

What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?

Good luck.
My 8 1/4 inch circular saw can do any of those cuts simply and
quickly AND accurately. The sawzall will do it quickly but not
accurately and certainly not consistantly.

No sabre saw I have ever used can do it - period.

More of my required cuts are something other than a square crosscut.
Ripping with anything but a circular saw is an exercise in
frustration. I reserve the sabre saw for cuts that are not straight.
Even blind or plunge cuts with the circular saw are relatively simple
(just finish up with a hand saw or sabre saw to square up the end of
the cut)

A BAND saw is another really handy saw, but not , generally, for
portable use --- -
>> I've had more injuries from a hand held coping saw than from any and
>>all other saws I've operated combined. (and I sttarted using saws -
>>starting with that coping saw, 60years ago.)

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:26:39 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:47:52 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:49:51 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>>> She's 26.
>>>
>>> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>>> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>>> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>>> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>>> (I think).
>>>
>>> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>>> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>>>
>>> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>>> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>>> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>>> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>>
>>Update: I found a left blade PC743 on Craigslist listed for $120. A guy
>>bought a one-price lot of tools at an estate sale and didn't need the saw.
>>As I mentioned in another post, you can't touch them on ebay for under $150
>>with shipping and you sure can't test them. Some are listed for well over
>>$200.
>>
>>It was a 3 hour round trip to get it. I offered him $110 and he took it.
>>He let me test it and it's a good thing that I brought my own blade. I knew
>>I wouldn't be able to test it if the blade was shot and boy, did I make the
>>right call. I barely got 1" into a piece of 5/4" x 12 pine when the burning
>>started. I put a new Diablo 60 tooth blade on it and it went through the
>>board like butter.
>>
>>Now I have twins:
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/MZeyYZD.jpg
>>
>>I may change the cord before I give it to my daughter. It's a little dried
>>out, especially the strain relief section by the handle.
>>
>>I'm buying her the saw, one of my son's is going to buy her some different
>>types of blades, and my other son is going to buy her some (more) clamps.
>>All she'll need is a straight edge and some youtube videos, and she'll be
>>good to go.
> Excellent choice
>Glad you didn't succumb to the Brit (I believe) who was trying to
>convince you to go for a sabre saw!!!! (the least used of ALL my saws
>- I use my old keyhole saw at least as often - - -

Brits don't learn from SeaBees. If you don't know the term, look it
up.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:49:51 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> She's 26.
>
> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> (I think).
>
> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>
> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>
> Any thoughts? Thanks!

Update: I found a left blade PC743 on Craigslist listed for $120. A guy
bought a one-price lot of tools at an estate sale and didn't need the saw.
As I mentioned in another post, you can't touch them on ebay for under $150
with shipping and you sure can't test them. Some are listed for well over
$200.

It was a 3 hour round trip to get it. I offered him $110 and he took it.
He let me test it and it's a good thing that I brought my own blade. I knew
I wouldn't be able to test it if the blade was shot and boy, did I make the
right call. I barely got 1" into a piece of 5/4" x 12 pine when the burning
started. I put a new Diablo 60 tooth blade on it and it went through the
board like butter.

Now I have twins:

https://i.imgur.com/MZeyYZD.jpg

I may change the cord before I give it to my daughter. It's a little dried
out, especially the strain relief section by the handle.

I'm buying her the saw, one of my son's is going to buy her some different
types of blades, and my other son is going to buy her some (more) clamps.
All she'll need is a straight edge and some youtube videos, and she'll be
good to go.

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:

> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> She's 26.
>
> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> (I think).
>
> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>
> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>
> Any thoughts? Thanks!

Milwaukee 6391

I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
complaints/issues.

https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:00:11 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 9:12 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:32:21 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> I third the suggestion to abandon the saw. I got a good deal on a
> >> circular saw about 10 years ago. I though I was going to use it for
> >> some minor house repairs. It turned out those were done as part of a
> >> larger contracted repair and the saw never used. Today it the saw is in
> >> the original packaging.
> >
> > While I appreciate the response, your reason for "abandoning" the circular
> > saw appears to be based on your very specific situation
>
> I did not abandon the saw it is just that I never found a use for it.
> (Most of the work I do is on my table saw making picture stretcher and
> and frames.)
>

Your words: "I third the suggestion to abandon the saw."

I took that to mean "abandon the saw" as far as buying one for my daughter.
That is what I was responding to. Since you agreed with abandoning the saw
as far as a purchase, and then listed the reason you never used yours in the
same paragraph, it appeared that your reason for not using it was
justification for me not buying one for my daughter. If your situation was
just a nice story to tell, a simple line feed would have removed any
confusion. ;-)

>
>
> >
> > In a nutshell, you were going to use the saw to repair something then decided
> > to pay someone to do it for you. Sure, there was more to the situation than
> > that, but that's so far removed from "cutting up some pallets" that it
> > just doesn't apply.
> >
> >>
> >> While the jig saw does not have the Tim-The-Tool-man glamor, I vote for
> >> a jig saw, as it does most of the cutting need by the average home owner.
> >
> > Is that what you use? What model did you buy?
> I can not answer you question right now for too reason. One the jig saw
> is in the shop, and its cold out there ;-) and two the jig saw was one
> of the first power tools I bought over 50 years ago and I am still using
> it. I have no idea what brand it is, and If I did it is probably out of
> business.
>
>
> >
> >>
> >> If you would like to get and additional gift I would look at a good
> >> battery powered screw driver with a large selection of bits. ie differ
> >> screw drive bits, a selection of nut driver bits, some Allen wrench, and
> >> torque type bits. They will use that nearly every time they have to
> >> remove a screw .
> >
> > Not a bad idea, but the request was worded has "We'd like to try some
> > woodworking projects." Her cordless drill can be used for both woodworking
> > and repairs. She already uses for repairs.
> >
> Does she have a good set of hand tools? Many times when people think
> of wood working the first things they think about is power tools.
> However a good miter box and saw are essential. My first miter box was a
> Stanley which I still use on occasion. For small items it works better
> than the table saw. Also for one off cuts where you want precision.
>
>
> While it has not been mentioned a power miter box would be a good power
> tool for a beginner.

I considered that but she has no place to set up a miter saw at this point.
They rent a small house on a farm in Vermont. Lots of open space (lots!) but
no usable basement and no garage. Besides, it's hard to cut a pallet with
a miter saw. (joke!) Yes, a small miter saw is more or less portable, but
they aren't light and carrying it in and out of the house every time she wants
to use it would seriously limit it's actual use. BTDT

>
> A good set of chisels is essential.
> Squares I use thee a Tri square, Combination square and a speed square
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Swanson-Speed-Square-Pencil-Tape-Measure-Tool-Value-Pack-S0101SPT/301793096?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal2_rr-_-301727940-_-301793096-_-N
> https://www.rockler.com/6-tri-miter-square-by-crown-hand-tools
> https://www.rockler.com/igaging-12-combination-square
>
>
> Don't forget clamps. One on the ones I use most is the speed clamps
> http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=31162&cat=1,43293,31162
>
> I use them mostly for picture frames, but have used them to repair a
> bed, make table tops, boxes, etc.
>

She does have some hand tools, including clamps, a square, etc. I'm not
sure chisels are "essential" for what she has planned, but they are not
bad idea.

Bottom line is that she can't use too many of her hand tools until she
cuts the woods to size, thus the request for a saw.

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 3:07:51 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daug=
hter.
> >> She's 26.
> >>=20
> >> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a P=
orter
> >> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's n=
o longer=20
> >> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the sa=
me saw
> >> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same=
line.
> >> (I think).
> >>=20
> >> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions=
for=20
> >> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >>=20
> >> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away.=
;-)
> >> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworki=
ng
> >> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also=20
> >> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >>=20
> >> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >
> >Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes s=
ense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. =
I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations.=
Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an elec=
tric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dang=
erous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jig=
saw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular s=
aw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And wit=
h circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a=
good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews mak=
e freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more ski=
ll and daring than your daughter. Or me.
> A sawzall would be better for pallets - and a jigsaw is most
> certainly far from idiotproof - or "safe"

I could lend her my reciprocating saw - she's already used it to help me cu=
t=20
up a sofa bed mechanism - but it's way too limited in its "woodworking"
applications. Woodwrecking, sure, but probably not a saw she needs to own.

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:38:02 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 23:26:39 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:47:52 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:49:51 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> >>> She's 26.
> >>>
> >>> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> >>> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> >>> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> >>> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> >>> (I think).
> >>>
> >>> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> >>> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >>>
> >>> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> >>> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> >>> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> >>> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >>>
> >>> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >>
> >>Update: I found a left blade PC743 on Craigslist listed for $120. A guy
> >>bought a one-price lot of tools at an estate sale and didn't need the saw.
> >>As I mentioned in another post, you can't touch them on ebay for under $150
> >>with shipping and you sure can't test them. Some are listed for well over
> >>$200.
> >>
> >>It was a 3 hour round trip to get it. I offered him $110 and he took it.
> >>He let me test it and it's a good thing that I brought my own blade. I knew
> >>I wouldn't be able to test it if the blade was shot and boy, did I make the
> >>right call. I barely got 1" into a piece of 5/4" x 12 pine when the burning
> >>started. I put a new Diablo 60 tooth blade on it and it went through the
> >>board like butter.
> >>
> >>Now I have twins:
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/MZeyYZD.jpg
> >>
> >>I may change the cord before I give it to my daughter. It's a little dried
> >>out, especially the strain relief section by the handle.
> >>
> >>I'm buying her the saw, one of my son's is going to buy her some different
> >>types of blades, and my other son is going to buy her some (more) clamps.
> >>All she'll need is a straight edge and some youtube videos, and she'll be
> >>good to go.
> > Excellent choice
> >Glad you didn't succumb to the Brit (I believe) who was trying to
> >convince you to go for a sabre saw!!!! (the least used of ALL my saws
> >- I use my old keyhole saw at least as often - - -
>
> Brits don't learn from SeaBees. If you don't know the term, look it
> up.

How does that work exactly? Is it a genetic thing? If a SeaBee is talking to a Brit does the
British brain's learning process just shut down? ;-)

On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 10:28:29 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:02:16 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 8:33:07 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 17:09:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:39:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >> >> >> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> >> >> >> > She's 26.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> >> >> >> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> >> >> >> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> >> >> >> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> >> >> >> > (I think).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> >> >> >> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> >> >> >> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> >> >> >> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> >> >> >> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Milwaukee 6391
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
> >> >> >> complaints/issues.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
> >> >> >> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Are you right-handed or left?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,
> >> >> >the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
> >> >> >of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
> >> >> >away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
> >> >> >used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
> >> >> >I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
> >> >> >can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?
> >> >>
> >> >> I think you're right. The manual doesn't say anything about an
> >> >> exhaust adapter and it gets dinged in the reviews for this.
> >> >>
> >> >> I really like the shoe on the CS10 but it's, of course, a right-blade
> >> >> saw. It has the slot for the sawdust port, as well. There's always
> >> >> Festool. ;-)
> >> >
> >> >...or used PC 743's
> >> >
> >> >I'm glad I found one at a decent price. Once I change the cord and retainer,
> >> >and factor in the gas to go get it, I'm probably at $160ish. That's the very,
> >> >very low end of the ebay listings and I got to test it before paying for it.
> >>
> >> That's pretty pricey for a circular saw. Lowes has the CS10 for $99.
> >> The Ryobi 18V brushless cordless 7-1/4" saw is left-blade and $119.
> >> Bosch's left-blade cordless is $129 but is only 6-1/2".
> >
> >Have you ever tried a PC 743? Lot's of people on various forums lamenting
> >the fact the PC, back when it really was PC, stopped making them.
>
> I looked at them a dozen years back. I'm not about to pay >$200 for a
> used circular saw, though. I don't use one that often.

I don't think I paid >$200 for mine when it was new. I don't know why but
$139 comes to mind. I wouldn't pay those current ebay prices either,
especially without the ability to touch and feel.

When I bought mine, I was helping a co-worker frame his house. He had hired
another of his friends who was a professional framer to help him out. That
framer showed me his 743 and let me try it. He also told me that he liked
the saw so much, he had bought a 743 for all the guys that worked for him as
Christmas gifts that year. (He had each of their names etched into the body
since there was going to be a lot of 743's on the job sites.)

After using his 743 for a few hours, I went out and bought my own. That's
gotta be 20 years ago now.

>
> >It really is a nice saw. Bottom line, since I have one and really like
> >it, I don't mind spending $160ish to get one for my daughter.
>
> I gave my rear-pivot Dewalt (DW364) and Bosch sabre saw to my son.
> They just bought their first house. If he uses them, I'll buy him
> more tools.

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:12:40 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 10:23:39 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:49:48 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> >She's 26.
>> >
>> >Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> >Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> >available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> >but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> >(I think).
>> >
>> >So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> >decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>> >
>> >No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> >All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> >and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> >mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>> >
>> >Any thoughts? Thanks!
>>
>> I gave my Dewalt rear pivot saw (nice saw) to my son and have been
>> looking for a replacement. I think I've settled on the Bosch CS10
>> magnesium shoe. I've knocked several saws out of square and the Bosch
>> seems to have a pretty solid pivot mechanism. It's a RH saw, however.
>> Bosch also has the CS5, which is a LH saw but has a steel shoe. It's
>> a bit more expensive ($116 vs. $99 at Lowes).
>
>$116 is nothing, relatively speaking,
>
>The 743’s on eBay start at $150 and go up to (gasp) $250. I think I paid $170ish
>15ish years ago.

Prices have come down considerably, particularly given the value of
money. There hasn't been much improvement done to these things
either. The engineering was paid for long ago. But if you want to
spend more, there's always Festool. ;-)

>I know PC isn't the same PC as it used to be and my Bosch glide miter saw is pretty good,
>so maybe the CS5 isn't a bad idea. Too bad my daughter's partner is left handed. The saw
>will be for both of them, but my daughter's handness wins.

They're cheap. Buy both. ;-)

Seriously, I've looked at a lot of them recently and the Bosch seemed
to be the best (Hitachi isn't bad either). At least my circular saws
always get a beating (falling off sawhorses and such) so the mechanics
is important to me. The only thing I didn't like about the CS5 was the
steel shoe.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:02:16 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 8:33:07 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 17:09:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:39:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> >> >> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> >> >> > She's 26.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> >> >> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> >> >> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> >> >> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> >> >> > (I think).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> >> >> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> >> >> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> >> >> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> >> >> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Milwaukee 6391
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
>> >> >> complaints/issues.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
>> >> >> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/
>> >> >
>> >> >Are you right-handed or left?
>> >> >
>> >> >While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,
>> >> >the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
>> >> >of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.
>> >> >
>> >> >The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
>> >> >away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
>> >> >used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.
>> >> >
>> >> >The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
>> >> >I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
>> >> >can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?
>> >>
>> >> I think you're right. The manual doesn't say anything about an
>> >> exhaust adapter and it gets dinged in the reviews for this.
>> >>
>> >> I really like the shoe on the CS10 but it's, of course, a right-blade
>> >> saw. It has the slot for the sawdust port, as well. There's always
>> >> Festool. ;-)
>> >
>> >...or used PC 743's
>> >
>> >I'm glad I found one at a decent price. Once I change the cord and retainer,
>> >and factor in the gas to go get it, I'm probably at $160ish. That's the very,
>> >very low end of the ebay listings and I got to test it before paying for it.
>>
>> That's pretty pricey for a circular saw. Lowes has the CS10 for $99.
>> The Ryobi 18V brushless cordless 7-1/4" saw is left-blade and $119.
>> Bosch's left-blade cordless is $129 but is only 6-1/2".
>
>Have you ever tried a PC 743? Lot's of people on various forums lamenting
>the fact the PC, back when it really was PC, stopped making them.

I looked at them a dozen years back. I'm not about to pay >$200 for a
used circular saw, though. I don't use one that often.

>It really is a nice saw. Bottom line, since I have one and really like
>it, I don't mind spending $160ish to get one for my daughter.

I gave my rear-pivot Dewalt (DW364) and Bosch sabre saw to my son.
They just bought their first house. If he uses them, I'll buy him
more tools.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
> >>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
> >>>
> >
> > What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
> >long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
> >cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
> >degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
>
> You're not answering the question. What sabre saws (brand, model)
> have you actually tried with?
>
> I concur on the accuracy, power and usefulness of the Bosch, and
> believe that would be the best power saw of the three for DadiOH
> to give to his daughter (which was the point of this thread).
>

DadiOH is buying a circular saw for his daughter too? What a coincidence!

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:50:50 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 13:27:18 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 2:07:51 PM UTC-6, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> >> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>>> >> She's 26.
>>> >>
>>> >> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>>> >> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>>> >> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>>> >> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>>> >> (I think).
>>> >>
>>> >> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>>> >> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>>> >>
>>> >> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>>> >> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>>> >> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>>> >> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>>> >>
>>> >> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>>> >
>>> >Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
>>> A sawzall would be better for pallets - and a jigsaw is most
>>> certainly far from idiotproof - or "safe"
>>
>>No. Its much harder to cut a straight line with a Sawzall. And to follow the 2x4 stretcher boards and cut out the 1x baseboards. Difficult with a Sawzall. Easier with a jigsaw. Not easy or simple, but much easier than using a Sawzall. I think you are assuming a pallet is rough and oddly shaped. Its not. Pallets are fairly simple and generally clean and easy to work on. You're just cutting a bunch of 1x6s.
>>
>>As for your implication that a jigsaw is dangerous. I bet if you checked every emergency room in the USA over the years, you would find far more than a few with cases of people cutting off their fingers with circular saws. And you might find one or less of people cutting off their fingers with a jigsaw. You might, maybe find a couple cases of people going to the hospital for stitches from a nasty jigsaw cut.
>
>I didn't say a jigsaw was "dangerous" just that it was not "safe" - IE
>it CAN do bodily harm. NO TOOL is intrinsically safe. (or as I put it
>- IDIOTPROOF.) Cutting 2X hardwood with a saber saw is an exercise
>in futility. It was the 8 foot 2X
>stringers" of the pallets I used that were the attractive bits -
>although I did use the 1X boards for decking of the attic floor. I had
>to drill every blooming hole before I could nail the suckers down
>
> I know what a pallet is - and I know what kind of wood is often used.
>I built my shed using lumber from sheet metal pallets and the wood was
>all "mixed hardwood" including ironwood, birch, maple, locust, ash,
>elm and oak. Being kiln dried and IPPC heat treated the stuff was
>HARD. Cutting the 1X6 portions with a sabre saw would have been
>DREADFULLY slow and hard on blades. The Sawzall with a demolition
>blade was hard enough - while the carbide blade in my 8 1/4 inch
>Milwaukee circular saw went through it almost effortlessly - and was
>not appreciably dulled after a few hundred cuts through the rough 2X4
>sections.

What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>
> I've had more injuries from a hand held coping saw than from any and
>all other saws I've operated combined. (and I sttarted using saws -
>starting with that coping saw, 60years ago.)

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 2:07:51 PM UTC-6, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daug=
hter.
> >> She's 26.
> >>=20
> >> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a P=
orter
> >> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's n=
o longer=20
> >> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the sa=
me saw
> >> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same=
line.
> >> (I think).
> >>=20
> >> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions=
for=20
> >> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >>=20
> >> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away.=
;-)
> >> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworki=
ng
> >> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also=20
> >> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >>=20
> >> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >
> >Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes s=
ense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. =
I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations.=
Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an elec=
tric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dang=
erous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jig=
saw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular s=
aw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And wit=
h circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a=
good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews mak=
e freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more ski=
ll and daring than your daughter. Or me.
> A sawzall would be better for pallets - and a jigsaw is most
> certainly far from idiotproof - or "safe"

No. Its much harder to cut a straight line with a Sawzall. And to follow =
the 2x4 stretcher boards and cut out the 1x baseboards. Difficult with a S=
awzall. Easier with a jigsaw. Not easy or simple, but much easier than us=
ing a Sawzall. I think you are assuming a pallet is rough and oddly shaped=
. Its not. Pallets are fairly simple and generally clean and easy to work=
on. You're just cutting a bunch of 1x6s.

As for your implication that a jigsaw is dangerous. I bet if you checked e=
very emergency room in the USA over the years, you would find far more than=
a few with cases of people cutting off their fingers with circular saws. =
And you might find one or less of people cutting off their fingers with a j=
igsaw. You might, maybe find a couple cases of people going to the hospita=
l for stitches from a nasty jigsaw cut.

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> writes:
>On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
>> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
>> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
>> >>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>> >>>
>> >
>> > What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
>> >long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
>> >cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
>> >degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
>>
>> You're not answering the question. What sabre saws (brand, model)
>> have you actually tried with?
>>
>> I concur on the accuracy, power and usefulness of the Bosch, and
>> believe that would be the best power saw of the three for DadiOH
>> to give to his daughter (which was the point of this thread).
>>
>
>DadiOH is buying a circular saw for his daughter too? What a coincidence!

Sorry, lexical distancing problem.

On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 6:22:53 PM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 9:20:00 AM UTC-5, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
> >> >On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
> >> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
> >> >>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> > What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
> >> >long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
> >> >cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
> >> >degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
> >>
> >> You're not answering the question. What sabre saws (brand, model)
> >> have you actually tried with?
> >>
> >> I concur on the accuracy, power and usefulness of the Bosch, and
> >> believe that would be the best power saw of the three for DadiOH
> >> to give to his daughter (which was the point of this thread).
> >>
> >
> >DadiOH is buying a circular saw for his daughter too? What a coincidence!
>
> Sorry, lexical distancing problem.

No problem. My daughter lives quite a distance from me, so that's a fitting excuse. ;-)

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 4:13:30 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 15:07:25 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>=20
> >On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my dau=
ghter.
> >>> She's 26.
> >>>=20
> >>> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a =
Porter
> >>> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's =
no longer=20
> >>> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the s=
ame saw
> >>> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that sam=
e line.
> >>> (I think).
> >>>=20
> >>> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestion=
s for=20
> >>> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >>>=20
> >>> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away=
. ;-)
> >>> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodwork=
ing
> >>> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also=
=20
> >>> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >>>=20
> >>> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >>
> >>Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes =
sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless.=
I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations=
. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an ele=
ctric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dan=
gerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a ji=
gsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular =
saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And wi=
th circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make =
a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews ma=
ke freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more sk=
ill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
> > A sawzall would be better for pallets - and a jigsaw is most
> >certainly far from idiotproof - or "safe"
>=20
> A lot of people have irrational fear of circular saws of any kind My
> Dad was doing a good bit of building at one point (200 foot bulkhead,
> 150 foot dock, three-car garage and attached workshop of equal size,
> storehouse (not "shed", it served the same function but had about a
> thousand square feet of floorspace) and the only saw he had was a 20
> buck jigsaw he got at the Navy Exchange (he actually had four of them
> from which he had scavenged enough pieces to make one working
> saw--they were really crappy). I got him a Sawzall and a Skil worm
> drive saw and after he got over being afraid of the Skil (I I never
> figured out why he was afraid of them--he was a Seabee in the Pacific
> in WWII so lack of experience or exposure can't be it) he was happy as
> a pig in shit. =20

> A few years later he told me the only good tools he
> had were ones that I had given him.

Whether that was true or not, that's what any Dad worth being a Dad=20
would say. ;-)

On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 5:38:41 AM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daug=
hter.
> >> She's 26.
> >>=20
> >> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a P=
orter
> >> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's n=
o longer=20
> >> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the sa=
me saw
> >> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same=
line.
> >> (I think).
> >>=20
> >> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions=
for=20
> >> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> >>=20
> >> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away.=
;-)
> >> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworki=
ng
> >> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also=20
> >> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> >>=20
> >> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >
> >Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes s=
ense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. =
I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations.=
Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an elec=
tric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dang=
erous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jig=
saw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular s=
aw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And wit=
h circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a=
good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews mak=
e freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more ski=
ll and daring than your daughter. Or me.
>=20
> I'd second the vote for a jigsaw. It's just a more versatile tool.
> But get her a good one. While the barrel-grip Bosch are very good if
> she has small hands she might prefer a top-handle.

I agree about getting a good one. As I mentioned to Russell, I recently=20
replaced a POS jig saw with a Bosch JS470E. What a difference paying three=
=20
times as much makes. ;-) Well worth it.=20

I'll check her hand size next time I see her. ;-)

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> She's 26.
>>
>> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> (I think).
>>
>> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>>
>> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>>
>> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>
>Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
A sawzall would be better for pallets - and a jigsaw is most
certainly far from idiotproof - or "safe"

Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
>>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>>>
>
> What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
>long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
>cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
>degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?

You're not answering the question. What sabre saws (brand, model)
have you actually tried with?

I concur on the accuracy, power and usefulness of the Bosch, and
believe that would be the best power saw of the three for DadiOH
to give to his daughter (which was the point of this thread).

Who likely will never need to cut 2x ironwood or a 4 incher.

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:49:48 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>She's 26.
>
>Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>(I think).
>
>So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>
>No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>
>Any thoughts? Thanks!
Find her a good used 843 PC. There's one on FleaBay in Fort worth.
$229.
A 743 in Cincinnati for $210 too

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:49:48 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>She's 26.
>
>Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>(I think).
>
>So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>
>No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>
>Any thoughts? Thanks!


metric or Imperial ? :-)

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Festool/page.aspx?p=73111&cat=5,105,68332

She'll be the envy of all the pallet re-cyclers !

John T.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:39:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> > She's 26.
>> >
>> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> > (I think).
>> >
>> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>> >
>> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
>>
>> Milwaukee 6391
>>
>> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
>> complaints/issues.
>>
>> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
>> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/
>
>Are you right-handed or left?
>
>While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,
>the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
>of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.
>
>The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
>away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
>used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.
>
>The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
>I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
>can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?

I think you're right. The manual doesn't say anything about an
exhaust adapter and it gets dinged in the reviews for this.

I really like the shoe on the CS10 but it's, of course, a right-blade
saw. It has the slot for the sawdust port, as well. There's always
Festool. ;-)

>In any case, I bought a used 743 for my right handed daughter. Her partner,
>who happens to be left handed, will just have to deal with it. ;-)

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> > > She's 26.
> > >
> > > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> > > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> > > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> > > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> > > (I think).
> > >
> > > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> > > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
> > >
> > > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> > > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> > > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> > > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts? Thanks!
> >
> > Milwaukee 6391
> >
> > I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
> > complaints/issues.
> >
> > https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
> > https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/
>
> Are you right-handed or left?

Southpaw

> While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,

Mr Filk does not agree... ;)
https://www.flikandcompany.com/left-handed-circular-saw/

> the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
> of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.

In the face? My Milwaukee 6390 blows dust horizontally, certainly not upwards
towards the face.

> The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
> away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
> used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.

Interesting, the only other circ saw (not talking about track saws) I'm aware of
with that 'feature' is:

<https://www.harborfreight.com/7-14-in-12-amp-professional-circular-saw-with-laser-guide-system-69064.html>

> The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
> I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
> can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?

The Bosch CS5 appears to have motor and shoe issues:
<https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B000WMDBIE/ref=acr_dpx_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&showViewpoints=0>

> In any case, I bought a used 743 for my right handed daughter. Her partner,
> who happens to be left handed, will just have to deal with it. ;-)

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 00:18:28 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 23:15:27 -0500, J. Clarke
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:54:31 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
>>>>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
>>>long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
>>>cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
>>>degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
>>
>>2X? You said 1x6. That's not "2X".
>
> "I" said I used all the rough 2Xs to frame my shed. 8 footers. Used
>the 1X hardwood for the attic decking too
>>
>>I'm sorry but I did not take a stopwatch to it, I didn't notice
>>anything remarkable about the cutting. As for the blade, it's
>>whatever Bosch recommends, I don't know the number off the top of my
>>head.
>>
>>>Good luck.
>>> My 8 1/4 inch circular saw can do any of those cuts simply and
>>>quickly AND accurately. The sawzall will do it quickly but not
>>>accurately and certainly not consistantly.
>>
>>If I need accuracy that's that the table saw is for.
>
> Cutting framing on a table saw?????? Sure it CAN be done, but it's
>easier to handle moving the circ saw over the wood than moving 8 ft
>harwood 2X over the table saw.

I'm sorry but I've never seen framing I couldn't cut adequately with a
Bosch.

>And accuracy is good for framing too.

We seem to have different definitions of "accuracy".

> Back in '64 building the addition on the family home Dad ripped half
>the length of 14 foot 2X10 at an angle from 2 inches at the end to
>zero at the 7 foot point, then nailed that wedge on top of the other
>end to give a 4 inch roof slope. Nothing but a hand held circular saw
>was in the running for that job - and a "cheap" saw wasn't up to the
>job either!!!The roof was 36 feet long - burned out one saw and used
>up most of the life of another one - after which he bought his first
>GOOD circular saw.

I don't think that this is the sort of work that the OP's daughter is
planning to make from pallet wood. If she starts building warehouses
she'll likely need a more comprehensive tool set.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:54:31 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
>>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>>>
>
> What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
>long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
>cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
>degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?

2X? You said 1x6. That's not "2X".

I'm sorry but I did not take a stopwatch to it, I didn't notice
anything remarkable about the cutting. As for the blade, it's
whatever Bosch recommends, I don't know the number off the top of my
head.

>Good luck.
> My 8 1/4 inch circular saw can do any of those cuts simply and
>quickly AND accurately. The sawzall will do it quickly but not
>accurately and certainly not consistantly.

If I need accuracy that's that the table saw is for.
>
> No sabre saw I have ever used can do it - period.
>
> More of my required cuts are something other than a square crosscut.
> Ripping with anything but a circular saw is an exercise in
>frustration. I reserve the sabre saw for cuts that are not straight.
> Even blind or plunge cuts with the circular saw are relatively simple
>(just finish up with a hand saw or sabre saw to square up the end of
>the cut)
>
>A BAND saw is another really handy saw, but not , generally, for
>portable use --- -
>>> I've had more injuries from a hand held coping saw than from any and
>>>all other saws I've operated combined. (and I sttarted using saws -
>>>starting with that coping saw, 60years ago.)

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> Yeah, I'm torn between a jig saw and a circular saw. My brain says a
> decent jig saw is enough for now, but I've used my 743 so much more
> than any jig saw I've owned that I'm biased. [Or is it my heart that
> says a jig saw is enough? I'm always confused by which one is talking
> to me. ;-) ]
>
> When I look at a pallet (yes, we're being very specific here) I see
> the deck boards that a jig saw is perfect for, then I see the
> stringers which probably require a circular saw to cut to size. Then,
> when I think about them building a shelf or even a book case, I can
> see a jig saw eventually getting it done, but a circular getting it
> done so much quicker/easier. Thus my torn-ness.
>
> BTW I recently replaced a POS jig saw with a Bosch JS470E. What a
> difference paying three times as much makes. ;-) Well worth it.

The circular saw will give you a quick and accurate cut with square
edges, while the jigsaw will take a lot longer to get the same square
edges. Jigsaw blades by their very nature tend to deflect as you try to
cut faster so you have to run the tool very slowly to get square edges.
Even a good saw with good blades will do that.

For most of my home projects, square edges and a reasonable cut speed
trumps the flexibility of a jigsaw.

Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:49:48 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>She's 26.
>
>Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>(I think).
>
>So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>
>No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>
>Any thoughts? Thanks!

I gave my Dewalt rear pivot saw (nice saw) to my son and have been
looking for a replacement. I think I've settled on the Bosch CS10
magnesium shoe. I've knocked several saws out of square and the Bosch
seems to have a pretty solid pivot mechanism. It's a RH saw, however.
Bosch also has the CS5, which is a LH saw but has a steel shoe. It's
a bit more expensive ($116 vs. $99 at Lowes).

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 06:12:25 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:32:21 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On 12/8/2018 11:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> > Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
>> I third the suggestion to abandon the saw. I got a good deal on a
>> circular saw about 10 years ago. I though I was going to use it for
>> some minor house repairs. It turned out those were done as part of a
>> larger contracted repair and the saw never used. Today it the saw is in
>> the original packaging.
>
>While I appreciate the response, your reason for "abandoning" the circular
>saw appears to be based on your very specific situation.
>
>In a nutshell, you were going to use the saw to repair something then decided
>to pay someone to do it for you. Sure, there was more to the situation than
>that, but that's so far removed from "cutting up some pallets" that it
>just doesn't apply.
>
>>
>> While the jig saw does not have the Tim-The-Tool-man glamor, I vote for
>> a jig saw, as it does most of the cutting need by the average home owner.
>
>Is that what you use? What model did you buy?
>
>>
>> If you would like to get and additional gift I would look at a good
>> battery powered screw driver with a large selection of bits. ie differ
>> screw drive bits, a selection of nut driver bits, some Allen wrench, and
>> torque type bits. They will use that nearly every time they have to
>> remove a screw .
>
>Not a bad idea, but the request was worded has "We'd like to try some
>woodworking projects." Her cordless drill can be used for both woodworking
>and repairs. She already uses for repairs.
>
>>
>> While it will not be used as much as the power screw drive I would also
>> consider a Dremel type tool with a full complement of bits. What the
>> jig saw or power screw drive can not do the Dremel with the appropriate
>> bit will.
>>
>
>Also a good idea.
But cutting pallet wood would be an all-weekend jib with the dremel.

I have 1 sabre saw (jigsaw) One Sawzall, 3 circular saws, a "dremel"
and a oscilating tool (festool style "stryker" saw) as well as 3
different routers, 3 power drills, 3 lithium cordless drills, a
drill-press and a metalcutting lathe. Also a belt sander, a vibrating
sander,and a "power file" - - - -
Yes, I have more circular saws than I need - the little Rockwell is
the handiest, but the big millwaukee 8.25 inch comes in handy for
heavier jobs - and I can't bring myself to get rid of the big Skill
worm-saw - which will outcut anything short of a chain-saw. (oh - I
have 2 of them too - - - )
One router is on a small router table, one is on a circle cutting jig,
and the other is loose for miscalanious small jobs.
The sawzall is good for demolition work and also as a power
hacksaw.

And oh yes - I have a battery operated jig saw, "sawzall" and drill
in the basement with dead NiCads that I've kept around figuring I
could run them off a 12 volt car battery in a pinch --- Really just
taking up space I could really make better use of - - -

One of the handiest power hand tools is my newly aquired cordless
impact driver - use as power screwdriver or light duty impact wrench.
Also have both air and electric 1/2 inch impacts - - -

Seems youcan't have too many tools - - - -

On 12/8/2018 8:49 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
> She's 26.
>
> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
> (I think).
>
> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>
> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>
> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>

Of course, Fesstool.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/sawing/portable-track-saws/201359---hkc-55-li-eb-basic-usa

On 12/8/2018 11:17 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
I third the suggestion to abandon the saw. I got a good deal on a
circular saw about 10 years ago. I though I was going to use it for
some minor house repairs. It turned out those were done as part of a
larger contracted repair and the saw never used. Today it the saw is in
the original packaging.

While the jig saw does not have the Tim-The-Tool-man glamor, I vote for
a jig saw, as it does most of the cutting need by the average home owner.

If you would like to get and additional gift I would look at a good
battery powered screw driver with a large selection of bits. ie differ
screw drive bits, a selection of nut driver bits, some Allen wrench, and
torque type bits. They will use that nearly every time they have to
remove a screw .

While it will not be used as much as the power screw drive I would also
consider a Dremel type tool with a full complement of bits. What the
jig saw or power screw drive can not do the Dremel with the appropriate
bit will.





.

--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 12/9/2018 9:12 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:32:21 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> I third the suggestion to abandon the saw. I got a good deal on a
>> circular saw about 10 years ago. I though I was going to use it for
>> some minor house repairs. It turned out those were done as part of a
>> larger contracted repair and the saw never used. Today it the saw is in
>> the original packaging.
>
> While I appreciate the response, your reason for "abandoning" the circular
> saw appears to be based on your very specific situation

I did not abandon the saw it is just that I never found a use for it.
(Most of the work I do is on my table saw making picture stretcher and
and frames.)



>
> In a nutshell, you were going to use the saw to repair something then decided
> to pay someone to do it for you. Sure, there was more to the situation than
> that, but that's so far removed from "cutting up some pallets" that it
> just doesn't apply.
>
>>
>> While the jig saw does not have the Tim-The-Tool-man glamor, I vote for
>> a jig saw, as it does most of the cutting need by the average home owner.
>
> Is that what you use? What model did you buy?
I can not answer you question right now for too reason. One the jig saw
is in the shop, and its cold out there ;-) and two the jig saw was one
of the first power tools I bought over 50 years ago and I am still using
it. I have no idea what brand it is, and If I did it is probably out of
business.


>
>>
>> If you would like to get and additional gift I would look at a good
>> battery powered screw driver with a large selection of bits. ie differ
>> screw drive bits, a selection of nut driver bits, some Allen wrench, and
>> torque type bits. They will use that nearly every time they have to
>> remove a screw .
>
> Not a bad idea, but the request was worded has "We'd like to try some
> woodworking projects." Her cordless drill can be used for both woodworking
> and repairs. She already uses for repairs.
>
Does she have a good set of hand tools? Many times when people think
of wood working the first things they think about is power tools.
However a good miter box and saw are essential. My first miter box was a
Stanley which I still use on occasion. For small items it works better
than the table saw. Also for one off cuts where you want precision.


While it has not been mentioned a power miter box would be a good power
tool for a beginner.

A good set of chisels is essential.
Squares I use thee a Tri square, Combination square and a speed square

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Swanson-Speed-Square-Pencil-Tape-Measure-Tool-Value-Pack-S0101SPT/301793096?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal2_rr-_-301727940-_-301793096-_-N
https://www.rockler.com/6-tri-miter-square-by-crown-hand-tools
https://www.rockler.com/igaging-12-combination-square


Don't forget clamps. One on the ones I use most is the speed clamps
http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=31162&cat=1,43293,31162

I use them mostly for picture frames, but have used them to repair a
bed, make table tops, boxes, etc.


--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On 12/9/2018 11:34 AM, Puckdropper wrote:

> For most of my home projects, square edges and a reasonable cut speed
> trumps the flexibility of a jigsaw.

Correct. Jig saws are for cutting curved lines, circular saws for
straight lines. Get the right tool for the job.

I highly recommend a circular saw with a laser guide that makes cutting
LONG straight lines easy for beginners and anyone w/o a track saw. Not
needed for pallets though.

For pallets, I recommend getting her tools for ripping the pallets
apart, such as a pallet buster and something to remove nails and
staples. Once ripped apart, and nails/staples removed, she can use any
cheap saw to cut them up.

https://tinyurl.com/yafdfc6k

https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Electric-Circular-Laser-System/dp/B00IZRUUKU?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffsb-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00IZRUUKU


If she wears this one out, she can buy a good one, I like my Makita
5007MG Magnesium 7-1/4-Inch Circular Saw except it doesn't have the
mandatory laser sight. I don't own the $50 saw listed above, but for
$50, it should last enough to get a compost bin built.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

DerbyDad03 wrote:

> On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 11:26:57 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:47:52 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:49:51 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03
> > > wrote:
> > >> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for
> > my daughter. >> She's 26.
> > >>
> > >> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I
> > have a Porter >> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the
> > same saw but it's no longer >> available, other than used. Same for
> > the 843 which I believe is the same saw >> but with a brake. Same
> > issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line. >> (I think).
> > >>
> > >> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for
> > suggestions for >> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be
> > great. >>
> > >> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right
> > away. ;-) >> All I know really know is that she wants to start
> > doing some woodworking >> and was wondering what type of "first
> > saw" she should get. She also >> mentioned cutting up some pallets
> > to make a compost bin. >>
> > >> Any thoughts? Thanks!
> > >
> > > Update: I found a left blade PC743 on Craigslist listed for $120.
> > > A guy bought a one-price lot of tools at an estate sale and
> > > didn't need the saw. As I mentioned in another post, you can't
> > > touch them on ebay for under $150 with shipping and you sure
> > > can't test them. Some are listed for well over $200.
> > >
> > > It was a 3 hour round trip to get it. I offered him $110 and he
> > > took it. He let me test it and it's a good thing that I brought
> > > my own blade. I knew I wouldn't be able to test it if the blade
> > > was shot and boy, did I make the right call. I barely got 1" into
> > > a piece of 5/4" x 12 pine when the burning started. I put a new
> > > Diablo 60 tooth blade on it and it went through the board like
> > > butter.
> > >
> > > Now I have twins:
> > >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/MZeyYZD.jpg
> > >
> > > I may change the cord before I give it to my daughter. It's a
> > > little dried out, especially the strain relief section by the
> > > handle.
> > >
> > > I'm buying her the saw, one of my son's is going to buy her some
> > > different types of blades, and my other son is going to buy her
> > > some (more) clamps. All she'll need is a straight edge and some
> > > youtube videos, and she'll be good to go.
> > Excellent choice
> > Glad you didn't succumb to the Brit (I believe) who was trying to
> > convince you to go for a sabre saw!!!! (the least used of ALL my
> > saws
>
> It had nothing to do with succumbing or not. A saber saw was always a
> consideration and I said as much earlier. I may still get her one. As
> you may have noticed, the title of this thread wasn't "Recommedation
> for first saw". It specifically mentioned first circular saw.
>
> That specific question was indeed addressed a couple of times but of
> course, other options were included. Heck, someone even mentioned
> chisels and clamps. There's always drift, and usually some arguing,
> but buried in these discussion is often some good information.

Estate Sales are a good place to pick up tools. I do it all the time.
All my friends know I go so it's, if you see. Also you can't have to
many clamps. I drove 8 hrs one time to pick up a like new 8" Pioneer
jointer for $350. Combined it with a delivery of a diesel boat engine I
sold to a guy in the Seattle area. The jointer was in Corvallis, OR We
just made a road trip out of it. Must be a Seabee thing. I'm a retired
Seabee also. Jim

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 23:15:27 -0500, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:54:31 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:42:21 -0500, J. Clarke
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>What kind of saber saw do you have? My Bosch has no trouble going
>>>through 1x6 lignum vitae.
>>>>
>>
>> What kind of blade do you use cutting rough 2X ironwood? And how
>>long does it take to cut a 4 incher? What about cutting 45 degree
>>cuts? Or better yet double 45s? 45 degrees across the board and 45
>>degrees through the board? With a sabre saw?
>
>2X? You said 1x6. That's not "2X".

"I" said I used all the rough 2Xs to frame my shed. 8 footers. Used
the 1X hardwood for the attic decking too
>
>I'm sorry but I did not take a stopwatch to it, I didn't notice
>anything remarkable about the cutting. As for the blade, it's
>whatever Bosch recommends, I don't know the number off the top of my
>head.
>
>>Good luck.
>> My 8 1/4 inch circular saw can do any of those cuts simply and
>>quickly AND accurately. The sawzall will do it quickly but not
>>accurately and certainly not consistantly.
>
>If I need accuracy that's that the table saw is for.

Cutting framing on a table saw?????? Sure it CAN be done, but it's
easier to handle moving the circ saw over the wood than moving 8 ft
harwood 2X over the table saw.

And accuracy is good for framing too.

Back in '64 building the addition on the family home Dad ripped half
the length of 14 foot 2X10 at an angle from 2 inches at the end to
zero at the 7 foot point, then nailed that wedge on top of the other
end to give a 4 inch roof slope. Nothing but a hand held circular saw
was in the running for that job - and a "cheap" saw wasn't up to the
job either!!!The roof was 36 feet long - burned out one saw and used
up most of the life of another one - after which he bought his first
GOOD circular saw.
>>
>> No sabre saw I have ever used can do it - period.
>>
>> More of my required cuts are something other than a square crosscut.
>> Ripping with anything but a circular saw is an exercise in
>>frustration. I reserve the sabre saw for cuts that are not straight.
>> Even blind or plunge cuts with the circular saw are relatively simple
>>(just finish up with a hand saw or sabre saw to square up the end of
>>the cut)
>>
>>A BAND saw is another really handy saw, but not , generally, for
>>portable use --- -
>>>> I've had more injuries from a hand held coping saw than from any and
>>>>all other saws I've operated combined. (and I sttarted using saws -
>>>>starting with that coping saw, 60years ago.)

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 10:41:10 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 12/9/2018 11:34 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> For most of my home projects, square edges and a reasonable cut speed
>> trumps the flexibility of a jigsaw.
>
>Correct. Jig saws are for cutting curved lines, circular saws for
>straight lines. Get the right tool for the job.

I forgot the other saw I have that I find very usefull - my
mitre/chop saw. It's not a sliding compound miter saw which would be
even handier
>
>I highly recommend a circular saw with a laser guide that makes cutting
>LONG straight lines easy for beginners and anyone w/o a track saw. Not
>needed for pallets though.
>
>For pallets, I recommend getting her tools for ripping the pallets
>apart, such as a pallet buster and something to remove nails and
>staples. Once ripped apart, and nails/staples removed, she can use any
>cheap saw to cut them up.
>
>https://tinyurl.com/yafdfc6k
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Electric-Circular-Laser-System/dp/B00IZRUUKU?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffsb-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00IZRUUKU
>
>
>If she wears this one out, she can buy a good one, I like my Makita
>5007MG Magnesium 7-1/4-Inch Circular Saw except it doesn't have the
>mandatory laser sight. I don't own the $50 saw listed above, but for
>$50, it should last enough to get a compost bin built.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 17:09:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 7:37:40 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:39:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:21:05 AM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> >> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> >> > She's 26.
>> >> >
>> >> > Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> >> > Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> >> > available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> >> > but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> >> > (I think).
>> >> >
>> >> > So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> >> > decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>> >> >
>> >> > No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> >> > All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> >> > and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> >> > mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any thoughts? Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Milwaukee 6391
>> >>
>> >> I've owned the right-bladed cousin (6390) for ~20 yrs and have had no
>> >> complaints/issues.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.acmetools.com/shop/tools/milwaukee-6391-21-7-1-4-inch-left-blade-circular-saw
>> >> https://www.toolbarn.com/milwaukee-6391-21.html/
>> >
>> >Are you right-handed or left?
>> >
>> >While a left-blade saw is what a right-handed person should, IMHO, be using,
>> >the issue with some of them is that they blow the sawdust back into the face
>> >of right handed users. It doesn't look like the 6391 addresses that issue.
>> >
>> >The PC743 has a detachable dust chute that swivels to direct the sawdust
>> >away from the user. The chute also allows a vacuum to be attached. I've
>> >used that feature many times when using the saw indoors.
>> >
>> >The Bosch CS5 appears to have addressed the blow back issue with the opening
>> >I see in the housing. (That's an assumption) but it doesn't look like a vac
>> >can be attached. Maybe there's an adapter?
>>
>> I think you're right. The manual doesn't say anything about an
>> exhaust adapter and it gets dinged in the reviews for this.
>>
>> I really like the shoe on the CS10 but it's, of course, a right-blade
>> saw. It has the slot for the sawdust port, as well. There's always
>> Festool. ;-)
>
>...or used PC 743's
>
>I'm glad I found one at a decent price. Once I change the cord and retainer,
>and factor in the gas to go get it, I'm probably at $160ish. That's the very,
>very low end of the ebay listings and I got to test it before paying for it.

That's pretty pricey for a circular saw. Lowes has the CS10 for $99.
The Ryobi 18V brushless cordless 7-1/4" saw is left-blade and $119.
Bosch's left-blade cordless is $129 but is only 6-1/2".
>
>Toss in a chat-filled 3 hour drive with SWMBO and I think I got a pretty good
>deal. ;-)

Road trips are always fun. We do a circuit of the Atlanta woodworking
stores every so often. 2x Woodcraft, 2x Rockler (though haven't been
to the new one yet), Peachtree, and Highland (SWMO even likes to go to
Highland).

I seem to spend a lot of time at Emory hospital, anymore, which is
only a couple of miles from Highland. After Dr's appointments, SWMBO
calls it my lollypop. ;-)

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:47:52 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:49:51 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> She's 26.
>>
>> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> (I think).
>>
>> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>>
>> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>>
>> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>
>Update: I found a left blade PC743 on Craigslist listed for $120. A guy
>bought a one-price lot of tools at an estate sale and didn't need the saw.
>As I mentioned in another post, you can't touch them on ebay for under $150
>with shipping and you sure can't test them. Some are listed for well over
>$200.
>
>It was a 3 hour round trip to get it. I offered him $110 and he took it.
>He let me test it and it's a good thing that I brought my own blade. I knew
>I wouldn't be able to test it if the blade was shot and boy, did I make the
>right call. I barely got 1" into a piece of 5/4" x 12 pine when the burning
>started. I put a new Diablo 60 tooth blade on it and it went through the
>board like butter.
>
>Now I have twins:
>
>https://i.imgur.com/MZeyYZD.jpg
>
>I may change the cord before I give it to my daughter. It's a little dried
>out, especially the strain relief section by the handle.
>
>I'm buying her the saw, one of my son's is going to buy her some different
>types of blades, and my other son is going to buy her some (more) clamps.
>All she'll need is a straight edge and some youtube videos, and she'll be
>good to go.
Excellent choice
Glad you didn't succumb to the Brit (I believe) who was trying to
convince you to go for a sabre saw!!!! (the least used of ALL my saws
- I use my old keyhole saw at least as often - - -

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 13:27:18 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 2:07:51 PM UTC-6, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> >> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> >> She's 26.
>> >>
>> >> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> >> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> >> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> >> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> >> (I think).
>> >>
>> >> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> >> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>> >>
>> >> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> >> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> >> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> >> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>> >
>> >Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.
>> A sawzall would be better for pallets - and a jigsaw is most
>> certainly far from idiotproof - or "safe"
>
>No. Its much harder to cut a straight line with a Sawzall. And to follow the 2x4 stretcher boards and cut out the 1x baseboards. Difficult with a Sawzall. Easier with a jigsaw. Not easy or simple, but much easier than using a Sawzall. I think you are assuming a pallet is rough and oddly shaped. Its not. Pallets are fairly simple and generally clean and easy to work on. You're just cutting a bunch of 1x6s.
>
>As for your implication that a jigsaw is dangerous. I bet if you checked every emergency room in the USA over the years, you would find far more than a few with cases of people cutting off their fingers with circular saws. And you might find one or less of people cutting off their fingers with a jigsaw. You might, maybe find a couple cases of people going to the hospital for stitches from a nasty jigsaw cut.

I didn't say a jigsaw was "dangerous" just that it was not "safe" - IE
it CAN do bodily harm. NO TOOL is intrinsically safe. (or as I put it
- IDIOTPROOF.) Cutting 2X hardwood with a saber saw is an exercise
in futility. It was the 8 foot 2X
stringers" of the pallets I used that were the attractive bits -
although I did use the 1X boards for decking of the attic floor. I had
to drill every blooming hole before I could nail the suckers down

I know what a pallet is - and I know what kind of wood is often used.
I built my shed using lumber from sheet metal pallets and the wood was
all "mixed hardwood" including ironwood, birch, maple, locust, ash,
elm and oak. Being kiln dried and IPPC heat treated the stuff was
HARD. Cutting the 1X6 portions with a sabre saw would have been
DREADFULLY slow and hard on blades. The Sawzall with a demolition
blade was hard enough - while the carbide blade in my 8 1/4 inch
Milwaukee circular saw went through it almost effortlessly - and was
not appreciably dulled after a few hundred cuts through the rough 2X4
sections.

I've had more injuries from a hand held coping saw than from any and
all other saws I've operated combined. (and I sttarted using saws -
starting with that coping saw, 60years ago.)

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 20:17:43 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 8:49:51 PM UTC-6, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> Christmas is coming. I'm considering buying a circular saw for my daughter.
>> She's 26.
>>
>> Other than a drill, this will be her first real power tool. I have a Porter
>> Cable 743 left blade which I love. I'd buy her the same saw but it's no longer
>> available, other than used. Same for the 843 which I believe is the same saw
>> but with a brake. Same issue with PC 424 MAG, another saw in that same line.
>> (I think).
>>
>> So, if I can't get what I'm familiar with, I'm looking for suggestions for
>> decent left blade circular saw. A brake would be great.
>>
>> No, she is not going to start framing houses, at least not right away. ;-)
>> All I know really know is that she wants to start doing some woodworking
>> and was wondering what type of "first saw" she should get. She also
>> mentioned cutting up some pallets to make a compost bin.
>>
>> Any thoughts? Thanks!
>
>Guess I'd suggest you abandon the circular saw thought. A drill makes sense. Its very useful for lots of situations. Hopefully it was cordless. I have and use electric drills frequently, but only in special situations. Cordless drill for 90+% of tasks. Back to saws. If it has to be an electric, powered saw, then I'd suggest a jigsaw. Can't get hurt, its not dangerous. Like a drill, a beginner with no knowledge at all can operate a jigsaw and not get hurt. It does not cut straight or smooth like a circular saw. But cutting up pallets for a compost bin it would be perfect. And with circular saws, the wood needs to be stationary and clamped down to make a good, safe cut. And you need a guide too. I know construction crews make freehand cuts in midair with circular saws. But they have a lot more skill and daring than your daughter. Or me.

I'd second the vote for a jigsaw. It's just a more versatile tool.
But get her a good one. While the barrel-grip Bosch are very good if
she has small hands she might prefer a top-handle.