Hello-
If I am posting this in the wrong group I apologize- it seems the best
fit.
I have an older house and have just completed remodeling the kitchen.
Unfortunately the house would best be served by either being 3 foot
wider or 3 foot longer. Since it is neither, I'm stuck searching for
a pantry off the side of a fridge.
Here's the rub: The pantry can be 12" deep for 24" wide- leaving much
of the fridge side exposed and wasted. Any deeper and it's difficult
to get thru the wonderfully designed doorway. Thus I'd really like an
angled pantry, nothing which is COTS available.
First, does anyone know of any commercially available angled pantries?
I've searched (and asked) and come up empty. I've no qualms about
building one, but to be honest I'm rather tired of building things
lately.
An ideal pantry would be either angled or stepped like this:
___
| |
-| |
--|
where both angles could be opened. But the 12" deep really limits my
options. I did see some nice unfinished (relatively) oak ones by
American Moulding at Lowes; unfortunately they are 24" deep and I was
told they don't make them in any other size (and I'm not going to cut
it in half, haha)
You can see a photo at to get an idea of what I'm trying to work with.
http://www.gotSheep.com/~hirsch/Photos/pantryproblem.jpg
Suggestions welcome!
Thanks in advance,
Jason
In article <[email protected]>,
Jason Hirsch <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello-
>
>If I am posting this in the wrong group I apologize- it seems the best
>fit.
>
>I have an older house and have just completed remodeling the kitchen.
>Unfortunately the house would best be served by either being 3 foot
>wider or 3 foot longer. Since it is neither, I'm stuck searching for
>a pantry off the side of a fridge.
>
>Here's the rub: The pantry can be 12" deep for 24" wide- leaving much
>of the fridge side exposed and wasted. Any deeper and it's difficult
>to get thru the wonderfully designed doorway. Thus I'd really like an
>angled pantry, nothing which is COTS available.
>
>First, does anyone know of any commercially available angled pantries?
> I've searched (and asked) and come up empty. I've no qualms about
>building one, but to be honest I'm rather tired of building things
>lately.
>
>An ideal pantry would be either angled or stepped like this:
> ___
>| |
> -| |
> --|
>where both angles could be opened. But the 12" deep really limits my
>options. I did see some nice unfinished (relatively) oak ones by
>American Moulding at Lowes; unfortunately they are 24" deep and I was
>told they don't make them in any other size (and I'm not going to cut
>it in half, haha)
>
>You can see a photo at to get an idea of what I'm trying to work with.
>
>http://www.gotSheep.com/~hirsch/Photos/pantryproblem.jpg
>
>Suggestions welcome!
You've got a "problem", indeed.
There is only 36" between the refrigerator and that d*mn wall end.
It is highly probable that that wall is load-bearing, which pretty
much eliminates the option of 'move the entryway'.
Depending on locale, there may be building-code and/or fire-safety
requirements for the minimum dimension of a passage to an exit.
Regardless of that, going under 32" of 'opening' will make for an
'tight' passageway. You can get away with 30", and maybe even 28",
but 28" will seem 'uncomfortably tight'. Particularly if you try to
go through it while _carrying_ anything.
I'd go with sets of shallow (like only 6" deep) shelving. One against the
side of the refrigerator, and a 2nd one against the wall. You don't really
even have room for conventional doors to cover things up. Consider a wood-
slat 'roll up' door. Like the ones on a 'roll top' desk.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> You will either have to build, or have one custom built.
>
> FWIW, I had a similar problem in my own kitchen... look to the left of the
> refrigerator (page 1 of my Projects Journal, Kitchen Cabinets) to see how I
> solved the problem with an angled pantry cabinet that went from 24" deep
> next to the fridge, to blending in with 12" deep base cabinets going into a
> hallway 2 feet away.
Thats pretty much what I had resigned myself to making. The stair
step one wouldn't be as visually appealing, but would permit easier
door swings (3 hinges to fold smaller).
Your approach is what I had visualized earlier; I have debated between
18" instead of 24" only because of the tightness of that corner (would
you believe they ran vents and water that far out?)
The kitchen was nearly finished until water decided to intrude via a
bad roofing job. The guy that did it got tossed into jail for a
little while; he's still being prosecuted for felony fraud (for some
reason he doesn't seem to have a problem taking people's money and not
performing the work).
Thanks much for the visual, Swingman - Pity you aren't out here in
Rochester for contract work :) I'd love to have a shop that sized...
someday.
I just installed a pantry made using Lee Valley's Taiwan knock off of
the German Haefel unit. It works quite well at less than half the cost.
http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=48709&category=3,43722,43723
RB
Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jason Hirsch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hello-
>>
>>If I am posting this in the wrong group I apologize- it seems the best
>>fit.
>>
>>I have an older house and have just completed remodeling the kitchen.
>>Unfortunately the house would best be served by either being 3 foot
>>wider or 3 foot longer. Since it is neither, I'm stuck searching for
>>a pantry off the side of a fridge.
>>
>>Here's the rub: The pantry can be 12" deep for 24" wide- leaving much
>>of the fridge side exposed and wasted. Any deeper and it's difficult
>>to get thru the wonderfully designed doorway. Thus I'd really like an
>>angled pantry, nothing which is COTS available.
>>
>>First, does anyone know of any commercially available angled pantries?
>>I've searched (and asked) and come up empty. I've no qualms about
>>building one, but to be honest I'm rather tired of building things
>>lately.
>>
>>An ideal pantry would be either angled or stepped like this:
>>___
>>| |
>>-| |
>> --|
>>where both angles could be opened. But the 12" deep really limits my
>>options. I did see some nice unfinished (relatively) oak ones by
>>American Moulding at Lowes; unfortunately they are 24" deep and I was
>>told they don't make them in any other size (and I'm not going to cut
>>it in half, haha)
>>
>>You can see a photo at to get an idea of what I'm trying to work with.
>>
>>http://www.gotSheep.com/~hirsch/Photos/pantryproblem.jpg
>>
>>Suggestions welcome!
>
>
> You've got a "problem", indeed.
>
> There is only 36" between the refrigerator and that d*mn wall end.
> It is highly probable that that wall is load-bearing, which pretty
> much eliminates the option of 'move the entryway'.
>
> Depending on locale, there may be building-code and/or fire-safety
> requirements for the minimum dimension of a passage to an exit.
>
> Regardless of that, going under 32" of 'opening' will make for an
> 'tight' passageway. You can get away with 30", and maybe even 28",
> but 28" will seem 'uncomfortably tight'. Particularly if you try to
> go through it while _carrying_ anything.
>
>
> I'd go with sets of shallow (like only 6" deep) shelving. One against the
> side of the refrigerator, and a 2nd one against the wall. You don't really
> even have room for conventional doors to cover things up. Consider a wood-
> slat 'roll up' door. Like the ones on a 'roll top' desk.
>
Most cabinet manufacturers will sell door assemblies incuding the face
frame and hinges. That way you can exactly match your existing
cabinet and just have to construct the interior shelves. You could
end up with either a 30, 33 or 36 inch wide unit (on the slant).
Basically you order a cabinet and have them not build the interior.
Second alternative is buying stock 12 inch deep wall cabinets and
stacking them. There is a wall cabinet designed to form a corner so
you end up with a finished 12 by 24 unit complete. The corner unit
comes in left and right hands and is designed to adjust to fit the
corner dimemsion. This would give you the "L" shaped unit completely
finished.
>
> I have an older house and have just completed remodeling the kitchen.
> Unfortunately the house would best be served by either being 3 foot
> wider or 3 foot longer. Since it is neither, I'm stuck searching for
> a pantry off the side of a fridge.
>
> Here's the rub: The pantry can be 12" deep for 24" wide- leaving much
> of the fridge side exposed and wasted. Any deeper and it's difficult
> to get thru the wonderfully designed doorway. Thus I'd really like an
> angled pantry, nothing which is COTS available.
>
> An ideal pantry would be either angled or stepped like this:
> ___
> | |
> -| |
> --|
> where both angles could be opened. But the 12" deep really limits my
> options. I did see some nice unfinished (relatively) oak ones by
> American Moulding at Lowes; unfortunately they are 24" deep and I was
> told they don't make them in any other size (and I'm not going to cut
> it in half, haha)
>
> You can see a photo at to get an idea of what I'm trying to work with.
>
> http://www.gotSheep.com/~hirsch/Photos/pantryproblem.jpg
>
> Suggestions welcome!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jason
[email protected] (Jason Hirsch) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Here's the rub: The pantry can be 12" deep for 24" wide- leaving much
> of the fridge side exposed and wasted. Any deeper and it's difficult
> to get thru the wonderfully designed doorway. Thus I'd really like an
> angled pantry, nothing which is COTS available.
>
> Suggestions welcome!
Here are a few thoughts ... whether they help with your situation, I
dunno.
(1) What's to the left in the picture? Would it be possible to close
the doorway, and make a new opening in the wall that's on the left?
If so, that opens lots of options for a large, rectangular pantry.
(2) It wouldn't be hugely difficult to build an angled cabinet to go
to the left of the refrigerator. The hardest part would be making it
match the rest of the kitchen. You probably can order doors that
match your kitchen cabinets. Put those on an angled pantry that you
build yourself, and people will marvel.
(3) I don't know if any companies make an angled pantry, but I know
they make angled base cabinets and angled wall cabinets. You could
put in one of each, and have a little counter space in the middle.
Between the two pieces, they wouldn't hold as much as a full angled
pantry would, but it would be a big improvement over what's there now.
Again, I don't know if any of these quite fit the bill. Whether they
do or not, good luck in figuring something out.
... Bob
On 6 Jun 2004 20:10:38 -0700, [email protected] (Jason Hirsch)
wrote:
>Hello-
>
snip
>First, does anyone know of any commercially available angled pantries?
> I've searched (and asked) and come up empty. I've no qualms about
>building one, but to be honest I'm rather tired of building things
>lately.
>
>snip
>where both angles could be opened. But the 12" deep really limits my
>options. I did see some nice unfinished (relatively) oak ones by
>American Moulding at Lowes; unfortunately they are 24" deep and I was
>told they don't make them in any other size (and I'm not going to cut
>it in half, haha)
>
>You can see a photo at to get an idea of what I'm trying to work with.
>
>http://www.gotSheep.com/~hirsch/Photos/pantryproblem.jpg
>
>Suggestions welcome!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Jason
You will have to build, or have built, a pantry with a 12" left side
and a 24" right side. Hinge doors or left and add a 24" deep cabiet
above the fridge for extra storage.
Alan Bierbaum
web site: http://www.calanb.com
"Jason Hirsch" wrote in message
> First, does anyone know of any commercially available angled pantries?
> I've searched (and asked) and come up empty. I've no qualms about
> building one, but to be honest I'm rather tired of building things
> lately.
You will either have to build, or have one custom built.
FWIW, I had a similar problem in my own kitchen... look to the left of the
refrigerator (page 1 of my Projects Journal, Kitchen Cabinets) to see how I
solved the problem with an angled pantry cabinet that went from 24" deep
next to the fridge, to blending in with 12" deep base cabinets going into a
hallway 2 feet away.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/15/04
In article <[email protected]>, RB <[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Jason Hirsch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Hello-
>>>
>>>If I am posting this in the wrong group I apologize- it seems the best
>>>fit.
>>>
>>>I have an older house and have just completed remodeling the kitchen.
>>>Unfortunately the house would best be served by either being 3 foot
>>>wider or 3 foot longer. Since it is neither, I'm stuck searching for
>>>a pantry off the side of a fridge.
>>>
>>>Here's the rub: The pantry can be 12" deep for 24" wide- leaving much
>>>of the fridge side exposed and wasted. Any deeper and it's difficult
>>>to get thru the wonderfully designed doorway. Thus I'd really like an
>>>angled pantry, nothing which is COTS available.
>>>
>>>First, does anyone know of any commercially available angled pantries?
>>>I've searched (and asked) and come up empty. I've no qualms about
>>>building one, but to be honest I'm rather tired of building things
>>>lately.
>>>
>>>An ideal pantry would be either angled or stepped like this:
>>>___
>>>| |
>>>-| |
>>> --|
>>>where both angles could be opened. But the 12" deep really limits my
>>>options. I did see some nice unfinished (relatively) oak ones by
>>>American Moulding at Lowes; unfortunately they are 24" deep and I was
>>>told they don't make them in any other size (and I'm not going to cut
>>>it in half, haha)
>>>
>>>You can see a photo at to get an idea of what I'm trying to work with.
>>>
>>>http://www.gotSheep.com/~hirsch/Photos/pantryproblem.jpg
>>>
>>>Suggestions welcome!
>>
>>
>> You've got a "problem", indeed.
>>
>> There is only 36" between the refrigerator and that d*mn wall end.
>> It is highly probable that that wall is load-bearing, which pretty
>> much eliminates the option of 'move the entryway'.
>>
>> Depending on locale, there may be building-code and/or fire-safety
>> requirements for the minimum dimension of a passage to an exit.
>>
>> Regardless of that, going under 32" of 'opening' will make for an
>> 'tight' passageway. You can get away with 30", and maybe even 28",
>> but 28" will seem 'uncomfortably tight'. Particularly if you try to
>> go through it while _carrying_ anything.
>>
>>
>> I'd go with sets of shallow (like only 6" deep) shelving. One against the
>> side of the refrigerator, and a 2nd one against the wall. You don't really
>> even have room for conventional doors to cover things up. Consider a wood-
>> slat 'roll up' door. Like the ones on a 'roll top' desk.
>>
>
>I just installed a pantry made using Lee Valley's Taiwan knock off of
>the German Haefel unit. It works quite well at less than half the cost.
>
>http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=2&page=48709&category=3,43722,43723
>
It's a neat gadget. but *useless* to the original poster. He simply doesn't
have the space to install it. Not even for just one side of it.
He's got a 36" wide space, in which he has to keep a _walk_through_ (front to
left-side) passageway in, *and* which he is trying to shoe-horn some pantry
storage into.
Jason Hirsch wrote:
> Here's the rub: The pantry can be 12" deep for 24" wide-
> leaving much of the fridge side exposed and wasted. Any
> deeper and it's difficult to get thru the wonderfully designed
> doorway. Thus I'd really like an angled pantry, nothing which
> is COTS available.
>
> First, does anyone know of any commercially available angled
> pantries? I've searched (and asked) and come up empty. I've
> no qualms about building one, but to be honest I'm rather
> tired of building things lately.
> Suggestions welcome!
Jason...
I haven't seen an OTS unit that would gracefully fit your
situation, so...
If you're tired of building things, take a break and use the time
to consider how you might build a *wedge* shaped pantry. If
that's a door to the garage/carport/driveway left of the fridge,
I'd be tempted to leave the center section open so that someone
coming through with groceries in both arms doesn't need to sidle
past the pantry into the kitchen.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA