Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
the usual price.
Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
don't want to buy "junk"....
Thanks,
Bill
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 11:07:36 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> > The box for my Greenworks bristle only surface cleaner starts with "Great for cleaning garage
> > floors, driveways, patios, sidewalks, deck and other flat surfaces."
>
> D.D., I looked up the one you provided a link to, and I
> appreciate it, but it does not support "higher" psi's".
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
This one supports max 3100 psi. Your PW is rated at 2900, right?
https://www.greenworkstools.com/15-inch-surface-cleaner
On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:30:43 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 6:03:44 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >> Leon wrote:
> >>
> >>> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway and
> >>> or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link below.=C2=A0 It
> >>> cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps keep you a little
> >>> dryer.
> >>>
> >>> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time
> >>> consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the
> >>> accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for
> >>> hours on end.=C2=A0 Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using a
> >>> wand.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
> >>
> >>
> >> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate spending
> >> this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely* looks like
> >> it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking at (that is
> >> supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the lesser ones look
> >> like toys.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >=20
> > I don't know how dirty your surfaces are, but I just used a "toy" surfa=
ce
> > cleaner on an inexpensive $99 (I paid $60 on CL) Greenworks electric pr=
essure
> > washer (1600 psi). The results of the Greenworks $30 "bristle supported=
"
> > surface cleaner (purchased separately) can be seen in this "before and =
after"
> > image, while the deck was still wet:
> >=20
> > https://i.imgur.com/d2Wt0gY.jpg
> >=20
> > That's probably 30 years of buildup on a deck that is basically under a=
tree.
> > i.e It doesn't get a lot of sun, so it doesn't dry very quickly after i=
t gets
> > rained (or snowed) on, which happens a lot in my area.
> >=20
> > The final result when the deck was almost dry (overnight):
> >=20
> > https://i.imgur.com/ER8tQjf.jpg
> >=20
>=20
>=20
> Nice job! Thank you for sharing pics and information! My decking=20
> doesn't have quite a much "stuff" on it as yours did--but I think=20
> it's just about the same "stuff".
>=20
> My decking is made of man-made materials (not "Trek"), rough to=20
> the touch. The fence/framing is made of treated lumber, stained,=20
> and I want to re-stain it next year. Pressure washing it first=20
> ought to get me off to a good start for that, huh? I'm taking it=20
> for granted that I'm not going to decimate my decking with my=20
> power washer, I'll just use detergent, take it slow and see how=20
> it goes.
>=20
Regarding detergent, I used this:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Krud-Kutter-1-Gallon-Deck-And-Fence-Pressure-Washe=
r-Cleaner/50286195
I don't know how well it stacks up against the others but it was the "safe =
for people, pets
and plants" that attracted me. SWMBO has lots of garden around the deck, so=
I had to=20
consider that fact. In addition, not 10 minutes after I started, my cat was=
lapping up some
water from a puddle. I chased her away that time, but she was a concern fro=
m the start,=20
so I went the "safe for" route.
I don't know about other pressure washers, but with my El Cheapo it's not a=
pressure=20
washer when you use the detergent dispenser. It gently sprays the mixture o=
ut to coat=20
the surface, then you let it sit for a few minutes, then blast or scrub wit=
h a wand or surface
cleaner. I would not be able to apply detergent high up on the house unless=
I was on a ladder.
The pressure walker did a great job of bringing the color back to a stone w=
alkway I put in years
ago. Not pavers, actual rocks with a flat, walkable surface.
> Yes, I am now the new owner of a Generac power washer. Hard to=20
> not be happy about adding a new tool to the arsenal, huh? I=20
> wonder whether mine with splash as much as Leon's? %-)
>=20
> Bill
Leon wrote:
> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway and
> or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link below. It
> cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps keep you a little
> dryer.
>
> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time
> consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the
> accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for
> hours on end. Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using a
> wand.
>
> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate spending
this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely* looks like
it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking at (that is
supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the lesser ones look
like toys.
Bill
On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:42:16 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or=20
> even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need=20
> one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to=20
> the usual price.
>=20
> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/=
B06XPX3CVC
>=20
Don't know about that unit, but do know about some "do not uses" with press=
ure washers, in general, beyond cleaning driveways and decks. No matter wh=
at unit you get,=20
1) Don't power wash your windows and doorways, at least with full power or =
very close nozzle position, adjacent to windows and doors. The pressure w=
ill damage your window construction, seals, etc. =20
2) Don't power wash your 4 wheeler seals in the wheel areas, steering area.=
... it'll damage your seals. Same for other engine powered tools, etc., as=
to damaging parts.=20
3) Be careful about power washing on a ladder. The forward force may shov=
e you (backward) off the ladder.
4) Wear safety glasses. Debris always flies up into your face. At my o=
ld shop there is a brick "patio" and walkway area, no mortar between bricks=
. Crap would fly up into my hair, as well. I'd wear an improvised head s=
carf, of sorts, to keep my head/hair clean(er).
5) As to power washing driveway cracks: Any loose pieces of concrete may=
be loosened, too much, more. Depending on how severe the cracks (loose p=
ieces), clean them gently, then possibly, when convenient, reset the pieces=
in new concrete/mortar mix, i.e., modest repair. *Mortar mix, preferably=
, in many cases. Concrete mix often has too large of rocks to insert into=
some cracks or to apply to some resetting of some pieces. Use the type "S=
" mortar mix.... it's for load bearing applications. It's recommended to =
allow to set/cure for a week, before driving on the new mortar, though for =
small repairs, you may not have to wait a week. Not sure if this repair i=
s suitable for northern climates (freeze-thaw cycles), as well as here in s=
outhern climates.
Sonny
Thank you for all of the thoughtful and helpful replies. I
visited 3 relevant stores this evening, not finding as many
models as I might have hoped. Reading reviews, people who have
used the "round attachment" ($50-70) for concrete/decks seem to
swear that it really speeds things up (not to be confused with
the other rounded attachment that is designed for smooth things
like cars).
When I was a teenager, my dad used to say that "my eyes were
bigger than my wallet"--and so I am drawn towards Generac.
Generac's have a "pistol grip" that feels like quality, with
pressure controls in the grip. I'm not sure whether the round
"attachments" mentioned above can be quick-connected to it...-I
should have looked while I was at the store. I would be
interested in knowing the answer to this, if it is convenient.
Thanks again!
Bill
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 6:03:44 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway and
>>> or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link below. It
>>> cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps keep you a little
>>> dryer.
>>>
>>> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time
>>> consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the
>>> accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for
>>> hours on end. Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using a
>>> wand.
>>>
>>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
>>
>>
>> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate spending
>> this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely* looks like
>> it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking at (that is
>> supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the lesser ones look
>> like toys.
>>
>> Bill
>
> I don't know how dirty your surfaces are, but I just used a "toy" surface
> cleaner on an inexpensive $99 (I paid $60 on CL) Greenworks electric pressure
> washer (1600 psi). The results of the Greenworks $30 "bristle supported"
> surface cleaner (purchased separately) can be seen in this "before and after"
> image, while the deck was still wet:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/d2Wt0gY.jpg
>
> That's probably 30 years of buildup on a deck that is basically under a tree.
> i.e It doesn't get a lot of sun, so it doesn't dry very quickly after it gets
> rained (or snowed) on, which happens a lot in my area.
>
> The final result when the deck was almost dry (overnight):
>
> https://i.imgur.com/ER8tQjf.jpg
>
Nice job! Thank you for sharing pics and information! My decking
doesn't have quite a much "stuff" on it as yours did--but I think
it's just about the same "stuff".
My decking is made of man-made materials (not "Trek"), rough to
the touch. The fence/framing is made of treated lumber, stained,
and I want to re-stain it next year. Pressure washing it first
ought to get me off to a good start for that, huh? I'm taking it
for granted that I'm not going to decimate my decking with my
power washer, I'll just use detergent, take it slow and see how
it goes.
Yes, I am now the new owner of a Generac power washer. Hard to
not be happy about adding a new tool to the arsenal, huh? I
wonder whether mine with splash as much as Leon's? %-)
Bill
On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 3:32:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
=20
> I wonder if this will help the pressure washer pump prime faster. O=20
> refuled and cranked my pressure washer up for the first time in 30=20
> months and it started on first pull. I drained the fuel out back then.
>=20
> But it takes forever, 5 minutes or so, for the water to go through the=20
> pump and into the spray hose/wand, after sitting.
You know... that's a pretty good question. I don't see why it wouldn't hel=
p the pump prime faster. Part of the reason that that SW told me to /alway=
s/ keep "Pump Armor" in my airless if I am going to store it for 30 days or=
more is that it coats the metal piston parts (to prevent rust, even though=
they are stainless) and to keep the seals lubricated.
I think you might be on to something. Certainly cheap enough to try. HD s=
ells the Karcher brand of pump armor for a couple of bucks less than in the=
link, so why not?
Robert
On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 11:40:08 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 10/20/2018 9:20 PM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> > On 10/19/2018 4:32 PM, Leon wrote:
> >> On 10/18/2018 1:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:38:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
> >>>> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about=20
> >>>> winterizing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the=20
> >>>> owner's manual. The representative said to use the following and=20
> >>>> I'll be fine:=20
> >>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/2=
03278696=20
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I am sure that is a typo on the ad as the other products on the site=
=20
> >>> that do the same thing (and Karcher brand is cheaper) correctly say=
=20
> >>> they protect down to -25 degrees.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for posting that.=C2=A0 I use "Pump Armor" in my two airless=
=20
> >>> sprayers and swear by it as it has kept them alive LONG past their=20
> >>> due date. I never thought to look for a product to protect my power=
=20
> >>> washer, which should have been something I keyed in on.
> >>>
> >>> Robert
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I wonder if this will help the pressure washer pump prime faster.=C2=
=A0 O=20
> >> refuled and cranked my pressure washer up for the first time in 30=20
> >> months and it started on first pull.=C2=A0 I drained the fuel out back=
then.
> >>
> >> But it takes forever, 5 minutes or so, for the water to go through the=
=20
> >> pump and into the spray hose/wand, after sitting.
> >=20
> >=20
> > I hold the trigger until water comes out the nozzle BEFORE I start the=
=20
> > engine. Running a pump without water seems like it would drastically=20
> > shorten its life.
>=20
> Normally the water comes out immediately but not this time.
>=20
> I suspect the pump is not a direct connection to the engine like a=20
> connecting rod to a crank shaft. Probably more like a cam pushing a=20
> lifter and the pump piston got stuck in a closed position.
> No water came through the hose at all for several minutes, and after the=
=20
> engine was started. I have learned to always hold the nozzle valve=20
> open when starting.
Agree with Larry Kraus. According to the instructions on my pressure washer=
, before starting the engine and with the water hose connected and turned o=
n, I'm supposed to hold down the trigger on the wand until there's a steady=
stream coming out the wand. Takes about 20 seconds. Then I can fire it up.=
The pump is like a boat motor. You're not supposed to run it without water=
.
On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
> > On 9/21/2018 5:03 PM, Bill wrote:
> >> Leon wrote:
> >>
> >>> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway=20
> >>> and or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link=20
> >>> below.=C2=A0 It cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps=20
> >>> keep you a little dryer.
> >>>
> >>> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time=20
> >>> consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the=20
> >>> accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for=20
> >>> hours on end.=C2=A0 Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using=
=20
> >>> a wand.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587=
=20
> >>>
> >>tt
> >>
> >> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate=20
> >> spending this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely*=20
> >> looks like it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking=20
> >> at (that is supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the=20
> >> lesser ones look like toys.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >=20
> > Bill I learned that the circular cleaners with bristles and with=20
> > out wheels are meant to be used on walls/vertical surfaces.
>=20
> hmmm... I'll have to read up on that. I got the impression that=20
> the one you pointed me to (maybe all of them) are not suitable=20
> for use on a deck made of man-made materials--too aggressive.
> My 2900-psi power washer is not power adjustable, except for=20
> replacing the tip. There will be rain for much of the next three=20
> days here..then comes lawn mowing. I would like to power-wash=20
> while basking under bright sunlight--so I can really enjoy it!=20
> %-) I don't recall, but I don't think the power washer you=20
> pointed me to has a "quick connect" (I could be mistaken). I have=20
> been leaning towards a $60 unit surface cleaner and a 36" wand=20
> (somewhat because they have those in stock at Lowes, and=20
> therefore there would be no inconvenient "quality control and/or=20
> compatibility" issues), but I'm still willing to become more=20
> informed! Thanks!
>=20
> Bill
When Leon uses the words "meant for vertical surfaces" I'm not sure if he m=
eans=20
"only for" or "can also be used on" vertical surfaces.
The box for my Greenworks bristle only surface cleaner starts with "Great f=
or cleaning garage
floors, driveways, patios, sidewalks, deck and other flat surfaces." It the=
n adds "Also cleans=20
garage doors, house siding, stone walls and other vertical surfaces."
It doesn't use the word "great" for the vertical surfaces but I'm not sure =
if we should read
anything into that. My point is that vertical surfaces are listed *after* h=
orizontal surfaces.
I did use it for some vertical sections made from pressure treated wood and=
it worked fine.
Obviously it was a bit more cumbersome to use, but it got the job done.
As far as the quick connect, I had to buy a $10 "later model" wand for my w=
asher in order to=20
use the surface cleaner. At least now I can buy more tips if I want.
Michael wrote:
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:42:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
>>> even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
>>> one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
>>> the usual price.
>>>
>>> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>>>
>>> Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
>>> really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
>>> don't want to buy "junk"....
>>
>> Something nobody's mentioned--if you let a pressure washer run at full
>> power for too long with the nozzle closed it can cook the pump. How
>> long this takes depends on the pressure, the flow rated, the pump
>> quality, and probably some other variables. On a high powered model I
>> understand that it can happen in minutes.
>>
>> Some models have an idle-down featuer that automatically throttles
>> down when the nozzle is closed, and some have a thermal release valve
>> that lets some water go through when the temperature gets too high.
>>
>> So you have to ask yourself, and be honest, "Am I the kind of guy who
>> will leave the thing running and talk on the cell phone for 20
>> minutes". If so you want one that has idle-down and thermal release,
>> or you want an electric that just stops the motor when there's no
>> water going through it.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> Another consideration. Do you live where it freezes in winter? If so
>> then you'll have to winterize a gas model, either by draining the pump
>> if it can be drained reliably, or by running some antifreeze through
>> it. Otherwise it can freeze and bust the pump. An electric you can
>> store in areas where it would not be safe to store something gas
>> powered.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> A third consideration. I've seen a lot of comments on various sites
>> about how pressure washer with the pump underneath generally has a
>> lower-grade pump than one with the pump in front. I don't know if
>> this is true from my own experience.
>
> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about winterizing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the owner's manual. The representative said to use the following and I'll be fine: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
>
My new pressure washer is hibernating until spring, while the
list of projects I have for it grows. I also picked up the
surface cleaner and extension wand, so I'll be ready to go.
32-degrees F. in the evening here this week.
Bill
On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:42:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or=20
> >even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need=20
> >one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to=20
> >the usual price.
> >
> >Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
> >https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp=
/B06XPX3CVC
> >
> >Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I=20
> >really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I=20
> >don't want to buy "junk"....
>=20
> Something nobody's mentioned--if you let a pressure washer run at full
> power for too long with the nozzle closed it can cook the pump. How
> long this takes depends on the pressure, the flow rated, the pump
> quality, and probably some other variables. On a high powered model I
> understand that it can happen in minutes.
>=20
> Some models have an idle-down featuer that automatically throttles
> down when the nozzle is closed, and some have a thermal release valve
> that lets some water go through when the temperature gets too high. =20
>=20
> So you have to ask yourself, and be honest, "Am I the kind of guy who
> will leave the thing running and talk on the cell phone for 20
> minutes". If so you want one that has idle-down and thermal release,
> or you want an electric that just stops the motor when there's no
> water going through it.
>=20
> *******
>=20
> Another consideration. Do you live where it freezes in winter? If so
> then you'll have to winterize a gas model, either by draining the pump
> if it can be drained reliably, or by running some antifreeze through
> it. Otherwise it can freeze and bust the pump. An electric you can
> store in areas where it would not be safe to store something gas
> powered.
>=20
> *******
>=20
> A third consideration. I've seen a lot of comments on various sites
> about how pressure washer with the pump underneath generally has a
> lower-grade pump than one with the pump in front. I don't know if
> this is true from my own experience.
To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about winterizi=
ng my pressure washer because there was nothing in the owner's manual. The =
representative said to use the following and I'll be fine: https://www.home=
depot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 3:38:23 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:42:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> >=20
> > >Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or=20
> > >even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need=20
> > >one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to=20
> > >the usual price.
> > >
> > >Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
> > >https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/=
dp/B06XPX3CVC
> > >
> > >Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I=20
> > >really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I=20
> > >don't want to buy "junk"....
> >=20
> > Something nobody's mentioned--if you let a pressure washer run at full
> > power for too long with the nozzle closed it can cook the pump. How
> > long this takes depends on the pressure, the flow rated, the pump
> > quality, and probably some other variables. On a high powered model I
> > understand that it can happen in minutes.
> >=20
> > Some models have an idle-down featuer that automatically throttles
> > down when the nozzle is closed, and some have a thermal release valve
> > that lets some water go through when the temperature gets too high. =20
> >=20
> > So you have to ask yourself, and be honest, "Am I the kind of guy who
> > will leave the thing running and talk on the cell phone for 20
> > minutes". If so you want one that has idle-down and thermal release,
> > or you want an electric that just stops the motor when there's no
> > water going through it.
> >=20
> > *******
> >=20
> > Another consideration. Do you live where it freezes in winter? If so
> > then you'll have to winterize a gas model, either by draining the pump
> > if it can be drained reliably, or by running some antifreeze through
> > it. Otherwise it can freeze and bust the pump. An electric you can
> > store in areas where it would not be safe to store something gas
> > powered.
> >=20
> > *******
> >=20
> > A third consideration. I've seen a lot of comments on various sites
> > about how pressure washer with the pump underneath generally has a
> > lower-grade pump than one with the pump in front. I don't know if
> > this is true from my own experience.
>=20
> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about winteri=
zing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the owner's manual. Th=
e representative said to use the following and I'll be fine: https://www.ho=
medepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
Do you not find this spec just a bit strange?
"Protects pump from freezing temperatures up to 25=C2=B0 Fahrenheit"
I wonder what happens above 25=C2=B0F.=20
What's that cracking sound I hear?
A lot of good points made here. No need to regrind the sausage, so I will =
only share my experience with the power washers I have owned and rented. I=
think the best direction is to decide what you will use it for and how oft=
en you will use it. My old gas powered monster pushed about 3 gpm at 3000ps=
i. I could write my name in concrete and it would cut wood with the right =
tip. It was also $700 about 20 years ago. It had a Honda engine which was =
superb, and as long as I took care of the pump it was a great machine. I u=
sed it to wash houses before painting, clean driveways (as a bonus for my c=
lients when I remodeled), clean commercial walkways and drives, etc. I rep=
laced the wand a couple of times and the commercial size water hoses (a mus=
t!) but never had a problem with it. It saw a lot of use and finally when=
it crapped out, it was the pump. No reason to replace a pump on a 20 year=
old, well used machine.
Nothing will replace the brute strength of a big gas powered unit for utili=
ty. You can always "up" the pressure and spray pattern, or go down using t=
he same method. But you can also run into problems with the pumps fouling =
and the gas in the engine going bad if you don't use it frequently. And the=
good ones are made to run all day long.
Electrics are different. They certainly have their place. I like the no f=
uss aspect of plug and play. I like the fact that they are so much quieter=
than the gas models which my client's neighbors complain about from time t=
o time. I like not keeping fresh fuel around or transporting fuel to the jo=
b and keeping the machines fueled. They are easier and cleaner to transpor=
t, and one guy can get it in the truck by himself.
So what I don't like about electrics: You have to have a lot of extension =
cord to use it commercially and you always have to be mindful of your conne=
ction location. On the larger machines, you need to run a 12ga cord to the=
m since most pull 14 to 15 amps. I have a few 12ga cords, and when we use t=
hem in bad weather, I tape the connection, which is the smart thing to on t=
he washer as well. They don't clean as fast or as easily as a gas machine =
because they don't move the water out of the machine. The higher powered g=
as machines will push about 3gpm, the higher powered electric won't push 2 =
gallons. It makes a really big difference in practice, but mostly in the t=
ime spent to clean.
But... (can you tell it's a rainy day down here?) I will probably be buying=
this washer
https://goo.gl/LW3RjZ
Or one like it. It seems to be a pretty generic model, priced right, and a=
ll the other badged models of this generic get good reviews. Back it up wi=
th a Square Trade warranty and I will be set. It's small, portable, and ha=
s about the top end of gpm rating I can find.
I can use this washer occasionally, and it will work fine for washing small=
houses, projects, a few driveways and decks, and any of my other medium pr=
ojects. It is small enough to easily store, and with a long cord included =
I won't always have to connect to more extension cords. And I can put it i=
n the back of the truck myself with a couple of hoses and be on my way. And=
it's half the price or less than a really nice gas washer.
I can rent a big gas washer at any number of places here in town for $55 to=
$65 a day and have no maintenance, special storage consideration, no "wint=
erizing" for storage. I can pick it up, use it, drop it off.
So just a few more thoughts on a rainy day...
Robert
On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:42:16 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or=20
> even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need=20
> one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to=20
> the usual price.
>=20
> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/=
B06XPX3CVC
>=20
> Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I=20
> really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I=20
> don't want to buy "junk"....
>=20
> Thanks,
> Bill
I bought a Simpson MegaShot 3100 this summer in the low $300s because it h=
as a Honda motor. So far so good. It's not that much more than the electric=
power washer you've linked to.
Reading through the replies, I learned a lot. I did not know it was hard on=
the pump when the nozzle was left close for 20 minutes. I probably left it=
on a little while moving furniture on the deck. Also, I am concerned about=
the winter. I think I'll try to find a place to store it in the house. It =
has a fairly small footprint.
On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 6:03:44 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>=20
> > What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway and=20
> > or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link below.=C2=A0 It=20
> > cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps keep you a little=20
> > dryer.
> >=20
> > Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time=20
> > consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the=20
> > accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for=20
> > hours on end.=C2=A0 Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using a=
=20
> > wand.
> >=20
> > https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
>=20
>=20
> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate spending=20
> this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely* looks like=20
> it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking at (that is=20
> supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the lesser ones look=20
> like toys.
>=20
> Bill
I don't know how dirty your surfaces are, but I just used a "toy" surface
cleaner on an inexpensive $99 (I paid $60 on CL) Greenworks electric pressu=
re=20
washer (1600 psi). The results of the Greenworks $30 "bristle supported"=20
surface cleaner (purchased separately) can be seen in this "before and afte=
r"=20
image, while the deck was still wet:
https://i.imgur.com/d2Wt0gY.jpg
That's probably 30 years of buildup on a deck that is basically under a tre=
e.
i.e It doesn't get a lot of sun, so it doesn't dry very quickly after it ge=
ts
rained (or snowed) on, which happens a lot in my area.
The final result when the deck was almost dry (overnight):
https://i.imgur.com/ER8tQjf.jpg
On 9/21/2018 5:03 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway and or
>> sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link below. It cuts
>> cleaning time down significantly and helps keep you a little dryer.
>>
>> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time consuming.
>> I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the accessories unless you
>> like standing around being soaked for hours on end. Wear a rain coat
>> and rubber boots if only using a wand.
>>
>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
>
>
> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate spending this
> much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely* looks like it's worth
> $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking at (that is supported merely by
> "bristles"). It's makes the lesser ones look like toys.
>
> Bill
Bill I learned that the circular cleaners with bristles and with out
wheels are meant to be used on walls/vertical surfaces.
On 9/20/2018 9:57 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for all of the thoughtful and helpful replies. I visited 3
> relevant stores this evening, not finding as many models as I might have
> hoped. Reading reviews, people who have used the "round attachment"
> ($50-70) for concrete/decks seem to swear that it really speeds things
> up (not to be confused with the other rounded attachment that is
> designed for smooth things like cars).
> When I was a teenager, my dad used to say that "my eyes were bigger than
> my wallet"--and so I am drawn towards Generac. Generac's have a "pistol
> grip" that feels like quality, with pressure controls in the grip. I'm
> not sure whether the round "attachments" mentioned above can be
> quick-connected to it...-I should have looked while I was at the store.
> I would be interested in knowing the answer to this, if it is convenient.
>
> Thanks again!
> Bill
The surface cleaner ("round attachment") is really a must for driveways
and sidewalks. The standard nozzle only cleans in a strip an inch or
two wide, so it is slow and difficult to clean large areas without
leaving stripes. It also more difficult to hold the nozzle at a
consistent height above the surface, so it either cleans poorly or
removes more of the concrete surface. The surface cleaner keeps the
height consistent and the spinning nozzles reduce the striping while
cleaning quickly. When I bought mine a few years ago I did not see any
that included the quick-connect fittings for the wand though the cleaner
itself has a male end. I just bought a set of matching male & female
connectors so I can quickly switch back to the standard nozzle.
On 9/20/2018 8:24 AM, Casper wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>
>> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
>> even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
>> one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
>> the usual price.
>>
>> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
>> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>>
>> Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
>> really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
>> don't want to buy "junk"....
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> I've used gas powered pressure washers and got tired of the issues
> associated with gas powered equipment. Years ago I switched to
> electric and got a Karcher. Finally last year decided to buy a bigger
> one with wheels. Works great for all my needs, including deck
> cleaning.
>
> I bought this Greenworks Pressure Washer...
> https://www.greenworkstools.com/shop-by-tool/pressure-washers/1800-psi-electric-pressure-washer
>
> I compared a few, including a Sun Joe but got a better deal on the
> Greenworks locally and have not regretted it.
>
> I've got a few Greenworks yard tools and they keep on working great
> with little maintenance. My neighbors giving me sour looks every
> spring when they struggle starting their mowers up and I just slip in
> the lithium battery and mow very quietly. No drop in batteries yet
> after four years.
>
> Good luck with your choice.
>
Agreed. Gas-powered equipment can be a real PITA if it use only
occasionally. I bought an electric pressure washer and for its
once-or-twice-a-year use it is more than sufficient.
On 9/20/2018 12:42 AM, Bill wrote:
> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or even used
> one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need one.
> camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to the usual
> price.
>
> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>
>
> Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I really
> don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I don't want to buy
> "junk"....
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway and or
sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link below. It cuts
cleaning time down significantly and helps keep you a little dryer.
Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time consuming.
I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the accessories unless you
like standing around being soaked for hours on end. Wear a rain coat
and rubber boots if only using a wand.
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 11:07:36 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>> The box for my Greenworks bristle only surface cleaner starts with "Great for cleaning garage
>>> floors, driveways, patios, sidewalks, deck and other flat surfaces."
>>
>> D.D., I looked up the one you provided a link to, and I
>> appreciate it, but it does not support "higher" psi's".
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> Other options:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BMB3X68
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SH905OC
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KQI37VA
>
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Greenworks-15-in-Pressure-Washer-Surface-Cleaner/1000494199
>
FWIW, I ordered the Karcher 15" surface cleaner, since, according
to reviews I read, it is the only one in this price range that
has replaceable bearings (instead of teflon washers). Don't ask
me any questions, I'm just repeating what I read! : ) It also
has very good reviews.
Thank you!
Bill
On 10/18/2018 1:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:38:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
>> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about winterizing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the owner's manual. The representative said to use the following and I'll be fine: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
>
> I am sure that is a typo on the ad as the other products on the site that do the same thing (and Karcher brand is cheaper) correctly say they protect down to -25 degrees.
>
> Thanks for posting that. I use "Pump Armor" in my two airless sprayers and swear by it as it has kept them alive LONG past their due date. I never thought to look for a product to protect my power washer, which should have been something I keyed in on.
>
> Robert
>
I wonder if this will help the pressure washer pump prime faster. O
refuled and cranked my pressure washer up for the first time in 30
months and it started on first pull. I drained the fuel out back then.
But it takes forever, 5 minutes or so, for the water to go through the
pump and into the spray hose/wand, after sitting.
On 9/25/2018 5:47 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 10:23:57 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> On 9/21/2018 5:03 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway
>>>>> and or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link
>>>>> below. It cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps
>>>>> keep you a little dryer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time
>>>>> consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the
>>>>> accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for
>>>>> hours on end. Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using
>>>>> a wand.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
>>>>>
>>>> tt
>>>>
>>>> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate
>>>> spending this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely*
>>>> looks like it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking
>>>> at (that is supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the
>>>> lesser ones look like toys.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Bill I learned that the circular cleaners with bristles and with
>>> out wheels are meant to be used on walls/vertical surfaces.
>>
>> hmmm... I'll have to read up on that. I got the impression that
>> the one you pointed me to (maybe all of them) are not suitable
>> for use on a deck made of man-made materials--too aggressive.
>> My 2900-psi power washer is not power adjustable, except for
>> replacing the tip. There will be rain for much of the next three
>> days here..then comes lawn mowing. I would like to power-wash
>> while basking under bright sunlight--so I can really enjoy it!
>> %-) I don't recall, but I don't think the power washer you
>> pointed me to has a "quick connect" (I could be mistaken). I have
>> been leaning towards a $60 unit surface cleaner and a 36" wand
>> (somewhat because they have those in stock at Lowes, and
>> therefore there would be no inconvenient "quality control and/or
>> compatibility" issues), but I'm still willing to become more
>> informed! Thanks!
>>
>> Bill
>
> When Leon uses the words "meant for vertical surfaces" I'm not sure if he means
> "only for" or "can also be used on" vertical surfaces.
Wheels roll more easily on concrete. Wheels probably do not work well
on uneven surfaces like siding or uneven surfaces. I think the wheels
would provide a smoother operation and more consistent distance from the
surface.
>
> The box for my Greenworks bristle only surface cleaner starts with "Great for cleaning garage
> floors, driveways, patios, sidewalks, deck and other flat surfaces." It then adds "Also cleans
> garage doors, house siding, stone walls and other vertical surfaces."
>
> It doesn't use the word "great" for the vertical surfaces but I'm not sure if we should read
> anything into that. My point is that vertical surfaces are listed *after* horizontal surfaces.
> I did use it for some vertical sections made from pressure treated wood and it worked fine.
> Obviously it was a bit more cumbersome to use, but it got the job done.
>
> As far as the quick connect, I had to buy a $10 "later model" wand for my washer in order to
> use the surface cleaner. At least now I can buy more tips if I want.
>
DerbyDad03 wrote:
> The box for my Greenworks bristle only surface cleaner starts with "Great for cleaning garage
> floors, driveways, patios, sidewalks, deck and other flat surfaces."
D.D., I looked up the one you provided a link to, and I
appreciate it, but it does not support "higher" psi's".
Thanks,
Bill
Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 9/20/2018 9:57 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all of the thoughtful and helpful replies. I
>> visited 3 relevant stores this evening, not finding as many
>> models as I might have hoped. Reading reviews, people who have
>> used the "round attachment" ($50-70) for concrete/decks seem to
>> swear that it really speeds things up (not to be confused with
>> the other rounded attachment that is designed for smooth things
>> like cars).
>> When I was a teenager, my dad used to say that "my eyes were
>> bigger than my wallet"--and so I am drawn towards Generac.
>> Generac's have a "pistol grip" that feels like quality, with
>> pressure controls in the grip. I'm not sure whether the round
>> "attachments" mentioned above can be quick-connected to it...-I
>> should have looked while I was at the store. I would be
>> interested in knowing the answer to this, if it is convenient.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>> Bill
>
> The surface cleaner ("round attachment") is really a must for
> driveways and sidewalks. The standard nozzle only cleans in a
> strip an inch or two wide, so it is slow and difficult to clean
> large areas without leaving stripes. It also more difficult to
> hold the nozzle at a consistent height above the surface, so it
> either cleans poorly or removes more of the concrete surface. The
> surface cleaner keeps the height consistent and the spinning
> nozzles reduce the striping while cleaning quickly. When I bought
> mine a few years ago I did not see any that included the
> quick-connect fittings for the wand though the cleaner itself has
> a male end. I just bought a set of matching male & female
> connectors so I can quickly switch back to the standard nozzle.
Thank you for sharing these details--I'm learning!
Bill
Michael wrote:
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:42:16 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
>> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
>> even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
>> one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
>> the usual price.
>>
>> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
>> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>>
>> Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
>> really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
>> don't want to buy "junk"....
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> I bought a Simpson MegaShot 3100 this summer in the low $300s because it has a Honda motor. So far so good. It's not that much more than the electric power washer you've linked to.
>
> Reading through the replies, I learned a lot.
I learned alot too. I'm going to get the Generac 2900-PSI unit at
Menards tonight for $299. MSRP is $349. You can $50 until
tomorrow. Not a "killer" sale, but I anticipate that I would be
happy with the unit. I was looking at spending another $70 for a
surface cleaner at Lowes. But wow Leon has me considering one
that is $119. Another $50 here, and $40 there, it almost starts
adding up! (Reminding me of shopping for computer components %-)
).
Also, I am concerned about the winter. I think I'll try to find a
place to store it in the house. It has a fairly small footprint.
>
I like the small footprint of the "dolly-style" too. I'm not sure
why the "wheelbarrow" footprint would be attractive--I suppose it
makes more sense to build larger/heavier units in that style.
Bill
Leon wrote:
> On 9/21/2018 5:03 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway
>>> and or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link
>>> below. It cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps
>>> keep you a little dryer.
>>>
>>> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time
>>> consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the
>>> accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for
>>> hours on end. Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using
>>> a wand.
>>>
>>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
>>>
>>
>>
>> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate
>> spending this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely*
>> looks like it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking
>> at (that is supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the
>> lesser ones look like toys.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Bill I learned that the circular cleaners with bristles and with
> out wheels are meant to be used on walls/vertical surfaces.
hmmm... I'll have to read up on that. I got the impression that
the one you pointed me to (maybe all of them) are not suitable
for use on a deck made of man-made materials--too aggressive.
My 2900-psi power washer is not power adjustable, except for
replacing the tip. There will be rain for much of the next three
days here..then comes lawn mowing. I would like to power-wash
while basking under bright sunlight--so I can really enjoy it!
%-) I don't recall, but I don't think the power washer you
pointed me to has a "quick connect" (I could be mistaken). I have
been leaning towards a $60 unit surface cleaner and a 36" wand
(somewhat because they have those in stock at Lowes, and
therefore there would be no inconvenient "quality control and/or
compatibility" issues), but I'm still willing to become more
informed! Thanks!
Bill
On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:30:43 AM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, September 21, 2018 at 6:03:44 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> >> Leon wrote:
> >>
> >>> What ever you end up with if you are going to do a driveway and
> >>> or sidewalks I highly recommend the item in the link below.=C2=A0 It
> >>> cuts cleaning time down significantly and helps keep you a little
> >>> dryer.
> >>>
> >>> Cleaning a driveway, even with gas powered is work and time
> >>> consuming. I would not cut corners on the sprayer or the
> >>> accessories unless you like standing around being soaked for
> >>> hours on end.=C2=A0 Wear a rain coat and rubber boots if only using a
> >>> wand.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200659587_200659587
> >>
> >>
> >> Leon, Thank you for the suggestion! I didn't anticipate spending
> >> this much on a "surface cleaner" but it *definitely* looks like
> >> it's worth $40 more than the $70 unit I was looking at (that is
> >> supported merely by "bristles"). It's makes the lesser ones look
> >> like toys.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >=20
> > I don't know how dirty your surfaces are, but I just used a "toy" surfa=
ce
> > cleaner on an inexpensive $99 (I paid $60 on CL) Greenworks electric pr=
essure
> > washer (1600 psi). The results of the Greenworks $30 "bristle supported=
"
> > surface cleaner (purchased separately) can be seen in this "before and =
after"
> > image, while the deck was still wet:
> >=20
> > https://i.imgur.com/d2Wt0gY.jpg
> >=20
> > That's probably 30 years of buildup on a deck that is basically under a=
tree.
> > i.e It doesn't get a lot of sun, so it doesn't dry very quickly after i=
t gets
> > rained (or snowed) on, which happens a lot in my area.
> >=20
> > The final result when the deck was almost dry (overnight):
> >=20
> > https://i.imgur.com/ER8tQjf.jpg
> >=20
>=20
>=20
> Nice job! Thank you for sharing pics and information! My decking=20
> doesn't have quite a much "stuff" on it as yours did--but I think=20
> it's just about the same "stuff".
>=20
> My decking is made of man-made materials (not "Trek"), rough to=20
> the touch. The fence/framing is made of treated lumber, stained,=20
> and I want to re-stain it next year. Pressure washing it first=20
> ought to get me off to a good start for that, huh? I'm taking it=20
> for granted that I'm not going to decimate my decking with my=20
> power washer, I'll just use detergent, take it slow and see how=20
> it goes.
>=20
As far as decimating the deck, I can assure you that you can. Even with my =
1600 psi=20
unit I did some damage. If you use a sharp enough spray you can easily dest=
roy the surface,=20
chip off edges and lift layers. The wetter the wood, the easier it is to da=
mage. What starts=20
out as a safe setting may be too strong once the wood is wet and weak.
> Yes, I am now the new owner of a Generac power washer. Hard to=20
> not be happy about adding a new tool to the arsenal, huh? I=20
> wonder whether mine with splash as much as Leon's? %-)
>=20
> Bill
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 6:18:30 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:42:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
> >>> even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
> >>> one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
> >>> the usual price.
> >>>
> >>> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
> >>> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure=
/dp/B06XPX3CVC
> >>>
> >>> Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
> >>> really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
> >>> don't want to buy "junk"....
> >>
> >> Something nobody's mentioned--if you let a pressure washer run at full
> >> power for too long with the nozzle closed it can cook the pump. How
> >> long this takes depends on the pressure, the flow rated, the pump
> >> quality, and probably some other variables. On a high powered model I
> >> understand that it can happen in minutes.
> >>
> >> Some models have an idle-down featuer that automatically throttles
> >> down when the nozzle is closed, and some have a thermal release valve
> >> that lets some water go through when the temperature gets too high.
> >>
> >> So you have to ask yourself, and be honest, "Am I the kind of guy who
> >> will leave the thing running and talk on the cell phone for 20
> >> minutes". If so you want one that has idle-down and thermal release,
> >> or you want an electric that just stops the motor when there's no
> >> water going through it.
> >>
> >> *******
> >>
> >> Another consideration. Do you live where it freezes in winter? If so
> >> then you'll have to winterize a gas model, either by draining the pump
> >> if it can be drained reliably, or by running some antifreeze through
> >> it. Otherwise it can freeze and bust the pump. An electric you can
> >> store in areas where it would not be safe to store something gas
> >> powered.
> >>
> >> *******
> >>
> >> A third consideration. I've seen a lot of comments on various sites
> >> about how pressure washer with the pump underneath generally has a
> >> lower-grade pump than one with the pump in front. I don't know if
> >> this is true from my own experience.
> >=20
> > To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about winte=
rizing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the owner's manual. =
The representative said to use the following and I'll be fine: https://www.=
homedepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
> >=20
>=20
> My new pressure washer is hibernating until spring, while the=20
> list of projects I have for it grows. I also picked up the=20
> surface cleaner and extension wand, so I'll be ready to go.=20
> 32-degrees F. in the evening here this week.
>=20
> Bill
28 degrees tonight here. Glad I took care of it tonight.
Bill <[email protected]> was heard to mutter:
>Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
>even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
>one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
>the usual price.
>
>Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
>https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>
>Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
>really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
>don't want to buy "junk"....
>
>Thanks,
>Bill
I've used gas powered pressure washers and got tired of the issues
associated with gas powered equipment. Years ago I switched to
electric and got a Karcher. Finally last year decided to buy a bigger
one with wheels. Works great for all my needs, including deck
cleaning.
I bought this Greenworks Pressure Washer...
https://www.greenworkstools.com/shop-by-tool/pressure-washers/1800-psi-electric-pressure-washer
I compared a few, including a Sun Joe but got a better deal on the
Greenworks locally and have not regretted it.
I've got a few Greenworks yard tools and they keep on working great
with little maintenance. My neighbors giving me sour looks every
spring when they struggle starting their mowers up and I just slip in
the lithium battery and mow very quietly. No drop in batteries yet
after four years.
Good luck with your choice.
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:38:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
=20
> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about winteri=
zing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the owner's manual. Th=
e representative said to use the following and I'll be fine: https://www.ho=
medepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
I am sure that is a typo on the ad as the other products on the site that d=
o the same thing (and Karcher brand is cheaper) correctly say they protect =
down to -25 degrees.
Thanks for posting that. I use "Pump Armor" in my two airless sprayers and=
swear by it as it has kept them alive LONG past their due date. I never th=
ought to look for a product to protect my power washer, which should have b=
een something I keyed in on.
Robert
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 11:07:36 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> > The box for my Greenworks bristle only surface cleaner starts with "Great for cleaning garage
> > floors, driveways, patios, sidewalks, deck and other flat surfaces."
>
> D.D., I looked up the one you provided a link to, and I
> appreciate it, but it does not support "higher" psi's".
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
Other options:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BMB3X68
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SH905OC
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KQI37VA
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Greenworks-15-in-Pressure-Washer-Surface-Cleaner/1000494199
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:42:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
>even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
>one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
>the usual price.
>
>Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
>https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>
>Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
>really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
>don't want to buy "junk"....
Something nobody's mentioned--if you let a pressure washer run at full
power for too long with the nozzle closed it can cook the pump. How
long this takes depends on the pressure, the flow rated, the pump
quality, and probably some other variables. On a high powered model I
understand that it can happen in minutes.
Some models have an idle-down featuer that automatically throttles
down when the nozzle is closed, and some have a thermal release valve
that lets some water go through when the temperature gets too high.
So you have to ask yourself, and be honest, "Am I the kind of guy who
will leave the thing running and talk on the cell phone for 20
minutes". If so you want one that has idle-down and thermal release,
or you want an electric that just stops the motor when there's no
water going through it.
*******
Another consideration. Do you live where it freezes in winter? If so
then you'll have to winterize a gas model, either by draining the pump
if it can be drained reliably, or by running some antifreeze through
it. Otherwise it can freeze and bust the pump. An electric you can
store in areas where it would not be safe to store something gas
powered.
*******
A third consideration. I've seen a lot of comments on various sites
about how pressure washer with the pump underneath generally has a
lower-grade pump than one with the pump in front. I don't know if
this is true from my own experience.
J. Clarke wrote:
> So you have to ask yourself, and be honest, "Am I the kind of guy who
> will leave the thing running and talk on the cell phone for 20
> minutes".
I'm the kind of guy who only has a 50% chance of answering my
cellphone even if I am already IN the house. I treat the cell
phone the same as I treated the old "stationary" phone--I don't
move it even if I am using it. I've heard my wife tell her
friends, "He doesn't even unplug it when he is using it!". %-)
I'm now looking seriously at a Generac (model 6882) on sale for
$299.99 at Menards. It's has 2900-psi. It would apparently take
another $100-150 to upgrade that to 3100-3200 psi in the Generac
family. The views of the product are not "stellar"... So I may go
take a look at Menard's return policy...
Bill
On 10/20/2018 1:51 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 3:32:34 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>
>> I wonder if this will help the pressure washer pump prime faster. O
>> refuled and cranked my pressure washer up for the first time in 30
>> months and it started on first pull. I drained the fuel out back then.
>>
>> But it takes forever, 5 minutes or so, for the water to go through the
>> pump and into the spray hose/wand, after sitting.
>
> You know... that's a pretty good question. I don't see why it wouldn't help the pump prime faster. Part of the reason that that SW told me to /always/ keep "Pump Armor" in my airless if I am going to store it for 30 days or more is that it coats the metal piston parts (to prevent rust, even though they are stainless) and to keep the seals lubricated.
>
> I think you might be on to something. Certainly cheap enough to try. HD sells the Karcher brand of pump armor for a couple of bucks less than in the link, so why not?
>
> Robert
>
I actually ordered the Briggs & Straton brand, it is an aerosol and it
foams. I think it might be less wasteful and penetrate better. Should
be here Monday.
On 10/20/2018 9:20 PM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 4:32 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 1:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:38:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>>> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about
>>>> winterizing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the
>>>> owner's manual. The representative said to use the following and
>>>> I'll be fine:
>>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure that is a typo on the ad as the other products on the site
>>> that do the same thing (and Karcher brand is cheaper) correctly say
>>> they protect down to -25 degrees.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting that. I use "Pump Armor" in my two airless
>>> sprayers and swear by it as it has kept them alive LONG past their
>>> due date. I never thought to look for a product to protect my power
>>> washer, which should have been something I keyed in on.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if this will help the pressure washer pump prime faster. O
>> refuled and cranked my pressure washer up for the first time in 30
>> months and it started on first pull. I drained the fuel out back then.
>>
>> But it takes forever, 5 minutes or so, for the water to go through the
>> pump and into the spray hose/wand, after sitting.
>
>
> I hold the trigger until water comes out the nozzle BEFORE I start the
> engine. Running a pump without water seems like it would drastically
> shorten its life.
Normally the water comes out immediately but not this time.
I suspect the pump is not a direct connection to the engine like a
connecting rod to a crank shaft. Probably more like a cam pushing a
lifter and the pump piston got stuck in a closed position.
No water came through the hose at all for several minutes, and after the
engine was started. I have learned to always hold the nozzle valve
open when starting.
On 9/20/2018 1:42 AM, Bill wrote:
> Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or even used
> one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need one.
> camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to the usual
> price.
>
> Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
> https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>
>
> Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I really
> don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I don't want to buy
> "junk"....
I know zip about Champion motors or products, but, a pressure washer is
just a motor hooked up to a pump. I have owned a Sears Crapsman 4.5H.P
1800 psi washer for many years with a Briggs&Straton engine and never
once had a problem with it, not much to go wrong. Pumps,if they ever go
bad should be easy to replace, and motors, typically just a lawn mower
engine that gets way, way less use should last a lifetime on a little
used washer. The pressure gun started leaking a few years ago and after
a number of failed attempts to fix it failed, I spent $46 on a new gun
and hose, and it's better than new.
As far as usage goes, you likely will find lots of uses besides decks
and driveways. They are dangerous on wood decks, mine is only 1800 psi
and I can frazzle the wood fibers with it if I get carried away.
Washing cars, trucks, tractors, boats, lawn equipment, lawn furniture,
cleaning rain gutters, house bricks and siding. I even used it to blow
the dirt off shrub roots I yanked out with my truck so I could carry
them away. My dust collector has a 2" thick metal filter and I use it to
blow out the dust. With the right nozzle and enough hose you can even
use them to clean out clogged sewers.
Personally, If all I was going to use it for is deck and driveway, I'd
still want one. Whether I would buy this specific one, not sure, I would
certainly shop around a bit and see whats out there.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 9/22/2018 1:30 AM, Bill wrote:
> My decking is made of man-made materials (not "Trek"), rough to the
> touch. The fence/framing is made of treated lumber, stained, and I want
> to re-stain it next year. Pressure washing it first ought to get me off
> to a good start for that, huh? I'm taking it for granted that I'm not
> going to decimate my decking with my power washer, I'll just use
> detergent, take it slow and see how it goes.
Detergent is the key. Pressure washer not so much. With the right
detergent decks clean up with just a hose. For example, pure bleach can
make treated lumber look brand new with almost no effort w/o a pressure
washer. Of course pure bleach can damage plants and such, but they sell
stuff that supposedly does this well w/o the dangers of pure bleach.
It's easy to control your spray to not damage the wood, but that almost
negates the need for the pressure washer, and it takes a lot of self
control to not over do it.
Once, I had a bunch of those cheap white plastic chairs that were
turning black. I had to hit them hard with a pointed spray to get the
baked in dirt off. After a few chairs, I noticed the surface was blown
off and and the smooth plastic was like 40 grit sandpaper. Then I used
straight bleach, squirted them off with a hose, and they sparkled,
remained smooth.
> Yes, I am now the new owner of a Generac power washer. Hard to not be
> happy about adding a new tool to the arsenal, huh? I wonder whether
> mine with splash as much as Leon's? %-)
Only time I ever got wet with mine was when the gun leaked.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 9/24/2018 10:23 PM, Bill wrote:
> My 2900-psi power washer is not power adjustable, except for replacing
> the tip.
I like the adjustable tip that allows changing the spray width between
wide (weakest) to focused (strongest) on the fly.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On 10/20/2018 10:20 PM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 4:32 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 1:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:38:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>>> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about
>>>> winterizing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the
>>>> owner's manual. The representative said to use the following and
>>>> I'll be fine:
>>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am sure that is a typo on the ad as the other products on the site
>>> that do the same thing (and Karcher brand is cheaper) correctly say
>>> they protect down to -25 degrees.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting that. I use "Pump Armor" in my two airless
>>> sprayers and swear by it as it has kept them alive LONG past their
>>> due date. I never thought to look for a product to protect my power
>>> washer, which should have been something I keyed in on.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if this will help the pressure washer pump prime faster. O
>> refuled and cranked my pressure washer up for the first time in 30
>> months and it started on first pull. I drained the fuel out back then.
>>
>> But it takes forever, 5 minutes or so, for the water to go through the
>> pump and into the spray hose/wand, after sitting.
>
>
> I hold the trigger until water comes out the nozzle BEFORE I start the
> engine. Running a pump without water seems like it would drastically
> shorten its life.
Same, and I keep holding to reduce pressure whilst I start the engine.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 01:42:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Was thinking of buying this pressure washer. I've never had or
>even used one before, but my driveway and deck suggest I need
>one. camelcamelcamel.com indicates the price is good, compared to
>the usual price.
>
>Champion 3200-PSI 2.4-GPM Dolly-Style Gas Pressure Washer
>https://www.amazon.com/Champion-3200-PSI-2-4-GPM-Dolly-Style-Pressure/dp/B06XPX3CVC
>
>Does this one seem okay, or better to buy something by Generac. I
>really don't have that many uses for a pressure washer, but I
>don't want to buy "junk"....
>
>Thanks,
>Bill
Champion makes decent homeowner equipment. I've never used their
pressure washers but I have a Champion generator that works (the
output waveform isn't the best but most things work OK).
Speed the cleaning of horizontal surfaces (sidewalk, driveway, patio)
with a surface cleaner (short metal cylinder housing a spinning arm
with 2 nozzles - maybe $50 pr so)
When cleaning vertical surfaces, there are two camps - top down or
bottom up. If you use soap, bottom up works better because you don't
get extra-clean lines from soap running down the wall. I never use
soap when pressure washing, so I start at the top and work down.
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 11:07:36 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>> The box for my Greenworks bristle only surface cleaner starts with "Great for cleaning garage
>>> floors, driveways, patios, sidewalks, deck and other flat surfaces."
>>
>> D.D., I looked up the one you provided a link to, and I
>> appreciate it, but it does not support "higher" psi's".
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> Other options:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BMB3X68
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SH905OC
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KQI37VA
>
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Greenworks-15-in-Pressure-Washer-Surface-Cleaner/1000494199
Yes, I have looked at all of those, and will probably pick one.
I've got 2 of them on my "wish list". IIRC, the main difference
lies in the type (or lack of) bearings. To ensure that my first
experience with the washer goes successfully, I will probably buy
a surface cleaner locally. Thank you!
Bill
On 10/19/2018 4:32 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 1:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:38:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>> To return to this discussion on one point: I called Simpson about
>>> winterizing my pressure washer because there was nothing in the
>>> owner's manual. The representative said to use the following and I'll
>>> be fine:
>>> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Powerwasher-12-oz-Pump-Guard-22PWA-715/203278696
>>>
>>
>> I am sure that is a typo on the ad as the other products on the site
>> that do the same thing (and Karcher brand is cheaper) correctly say
>> they protect down to -25 degrees.
>>
>> Thanks for posting that. I use "Pump Armor" in my two airless
>> sprayers and swear by it as it has kept them alive LONG past their due
>> date. I never thought to look for a product to protect my power
>> washer, which should have been something I keyed in on.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
>
> I wonder if this will help the pressure washer pump prime faster. O
> refuled and cranked my pressure washer up for the first time in 30
> months and it started on first pull. I drained the fuel out back then.
>
> But it takes forever, 5 minutes or so, for the water to go through the
> pump and into the spray hose/wand, after sitting.
I hold the trigger until water comes out the nozzle BEFORE I start the
engine. Running a pump without water seems like it would drastically
shorten its life.