OK, could use a mitre saw. Will be making some (a lot) of cuts of
7 7/8" wide material (1/2" plywood), and a 10" mitre saw would work for
this - with a raised up, wooden base. I know, cause I measured. The
cuts will all be straight across.
But, at the same time, I could use a chop saw, for some tubing
cutting I will be doing.
I can't spare money for both. And, wouldn't be using either
constantly; or often after these two projects are done with. So, what
I'm thinking about is, getting a 14" chop saw, something along these
lines.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44829
Then using a metal cutting blade for metal, and a 14" wood cutting blade
for my crosscuts. Yeah, I could use a saw sled, but this would be
handier for me, and would be used for other projects later.
I've been studying this, and can't see any reason it wouldn't
perform the task.
So, the question is:
Is there in fact any reason this idea will not work? Or, any safety
reasons I shouldn't do it?
But, remember, I'm not interested in "it's not the best tool for
the job" type of replies; or, it doesn't have a proper safety guard - I
already know all that. I'm asking because possibly someone has some
info on this type of thing I'm not aware of, that would make it a "not
to do" type of thing. Oh yeah, if you're gonna say it won't work, then
explain just "why" it won't work.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
J T wrote:
> OK, could use a mitre saw. Will be making some (a lot) of cuts of
> 7 7/8" wide material (1/2" plywood), and a 10" mitre saw would work for
> this - with a raised up, wooden base. I know, cause I measured. The
> cuts will all be straight across.
>
> But, at the same time, I could use a chop saw, for some tubing
> cutting I will be doing.
>
> I can't spare money for both. And, wouldn't be using either
> constantly; or often after these two projects are done with. So, what
> I'm thinking about is, getting a 14" chop saw, something along these
> lines.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44829
> Then using a metal cutting blade for metal, and a 14" wood cutting blade
> for my crosscuts. Yeah, I could use a saw sled, but this would be
> handier for me, and would be used for other projects later.
>
> I've been studying this, and can't see any reason it wouldn't
> perform the task.
>
> So, the question is:
> Is there in fact any reason this idea will not work? Or, any safety
> reasons I shouldn't do it?
>
> But, remember, I'm not interested in "it's not the best tool for
> the job" type of replies; or, it doesn't have a proper safety guard - I
> already know all that. I'm asking because possibly someone has some
> info on this type of thing I'm not aware of, that would make it a "not
> to do" type of thing. Oh yeah, if you're gonna say it won't work, then
> explain just "why" it won't work.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Are you cutting steel or aluminum? I have an $88 Delta miter saw and when I
noticed the blade listed for wood or aluminum on it I had to try it and it
worked fine.
Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 10:40pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) asks:
Are you cutting steel or aluminum? <snip>
Mild steel, angle iron & tubing.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
J T wrote:
> Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 10:40pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) asks:
> Are you cutting steel or aluminum? <snip>
>
> Mild steel, angle iron & tubing.
I picked up a horizontal band saw at HF for about $150 that does
a good job on aluminum, brass, and mild steel. The built-in vise
swivels from 45-º to 90+º and (with the help of a protractor head
on the square) cuts good miters.
It might be worth the time to take a look in your local store...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 9:32pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Morris=A0Dovey)
says:
I picked up a horizontal band saw at HF for about $150 that does a good
job on aluminum, brass, and mild steel. The built-in vise swivels from
45-=BA to 90+=BA and (with the help of a protractor head on the square)
cuts good miters.
It might be worth the time to take a look in your local store...
Nope, if I want a dedicated saw for metal, I'll just spring for an
inexpensive chop saw.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:19:39 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
calmly ranted:
>Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 9:32pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Morris Dovey)
>says:
>I picked up a horizontal band saw at HF for about $150 that does a good
>job on aluminum, brass, and mild steel. The built-in vise swivels from
>45-º to 90+º and (with the help of a protractor head on the square)
>cuts good miters.
>It might be worth the time to take a look in your local store...
>
> Nope, if I want a dedicated saw for metal, I'll just spring for an
>inexpensive chop saw.
Right, 14" cutoff saw for $36, -shipped- from Ebay vendors!
--
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unemployment. Every regulator we fire results in the creation of over
150 new jobs, enough to hire the ex-regulator, the unemployed, and
the able-bodied poor." -Michael Badnarik
VOTE LIBERTARIAN ON NOVEMBER 2, 2004 OR YOU WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
Can you find a 14" woodcutting blade for such a saw? And at what cost and
cut quality? Decent 12" blades are close to a hunnert dollars...
Blade flex at 14" would be a question, too. There are folks who think 12"
saws flex too much.
Given the low cost of 10" 'chop saws', you may be able to buy the 'wood
saw' for the cost of the blade for the 14" saw, and have something to
peddle on eBay later...
By the way, I completely agree with you on those uuuuugly tables you posted
about earlier.
Patriarch
Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 5:36am (EDT+4) patriarch
([email protected]>) queries:
Can you find a 14" woodcutting blade for such a saw? And at what cost
and cut quality? <snip>
Yup, the quality store - HF, $29.95. As As long as the cut is
straight by eye, no prob.
By the way, I completely agree with you on those uuuuugly tables you
posted about earlier.
But, I'm sure someone, somewhere, is gonna think they actually look
good.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
JT, I have a Dewalt 12' 705 that I used with a 10" metal cutting blade. It
worked O-K but I didn't use the Dust Collector when I cut metal pipe. I've
only done this the one time and it worked for cutting several 1/2"
electrical conduit for chimes. Whether it's recommended, I don't know but
it worked that one time.
Need input from others on this one.
Al in WA
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK, could use a mitre saw. Will be making some (a lot) of cuts of
> 7 7/8" wide material (1/2" plywood), and a 10" mitre saw would work for
> this - with a raised up, wooden base. I know, cause I measured. The
> cuts will all be straight across.
>
> But, at the same time, I could use a chop saw, for some tubing
> cutting I will be doing.
>
> I can't spare money for both. And, wouldn't be using either
> constantly; or often after these two projects are done with. So, what
> I'm thinking about is, getting a 14" chop saw, something along these
> lines.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44829
> Then using a metal cutting blade for metal, and a 14" wood cutting blade
> for my crosscuts. Yeah, I could use a saw sled, but this would be
> handier for me, and would be used for other projects later.
>
> I've been studying this, and can't see any reason it wouldn't
> perform the task.
>
> So, the question is:
> Is there in fact any reason this idea will not work? Or, any safety
> reasons I shouldn't do it?
>
> But, remember, I'm not interested in "it's not the best tool for
> the job" type of replies; or, it doesn't have a proper safety guard - I
> already know all that. I'm asking because possibly someone has some
> info on this type of thing I'm not aware of, that would make it a "not
> to do" type of thing. Oh yeah, if you're gonna say it won't work, then
> explain just "why" it won't work.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
>
Sat, Oct 23, 2004, 6:45pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
(Al=A0in=A0WA) says:
JT, I have a Dewalt 12' 705 that I used with a 10" metal cutting blade.
It worked O-K but I didn't use the Dust Collector when I cut metal pipe.
I've only done this the one time and it worked for cutting several 1/2"
electrical conduit for chimes. Whether it's recommended, I don't know
but it worked that one time.
Need input from others on this one.
Thought about a mitre saw, but decided no. Figured as much metal
cutting as I'm planning on, might screw up the saw somehow - or melt it.
Wood cutting shouldn't hurt a chop saw. Then later, with extra $, get a
mitre saw, for wood only, and make the chop saw metal only.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:02:53 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
> OK, could use a mitre saw. Will be making some (a lot) of cuts of
>7 7/8" wide material (1/2" plywood), and a 10" mitre saw would work for
>this - with a raised up, wooden base. I know, cause I measured. The
>cuts will all be straight across.
>
> But, at the same time, I could use a chop saw, for some tubing
>cutting I will be doing.
>
> I can't spare money for both. And, wouldn't be using either
>constantly; or often after these two projects are done with. So, what
>I'm thinking about is, getting a 14" chop saw, something along these
>lines.
>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44829
>Then using a metal cutting blade for metal, and a 14" wood cutting blade
>for my crosscuts. Yeah, I could use a saw sled, but this would be
>handier for me, and would be used for other projects later.
>
> I've been studying this, and can't see any reason it wouldn't
>perform the task.
>
> So, the question is:
>Is there in fact any reason this idea will not work? Or, any safety
>reasons I shouldn't do it?
>
> But, remember, I'm not interested in "it's not the best tool for
>the job" type of replies; or, it doesn't have a proper safety guard - I
>already know all that. I'm asking because possibly someone has some
>info on this type of thing I'm not aware of, that would make it a "not
>to do" type of thing. Oh yeah, if you're gonna say it won't work, then
>explain just "why" it won't work.
I was looking at doing this- I already had a 10' miter saw, and
figured I could just get a metal cut-off wheel for it, but when I was
looking, it turned out that the arbors were just too different, and
the cut-off wheel would have ground against the inside of the saw's
shield. I just ended up cutting the [angle iron] steel I needed with
a hacksaw- it was a lot of doing, but I really didn't need the chop
saw. Another option is to get a metal die grinder, and then you could
get a biscuit cutter attachment for it later on- I used one for a
project some time ago, and the aftermarket attachment worked as well
as any dedicated biscuit cutter, as far as I could tell.
>
>
>JOAT
>Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 1:45am (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
says:
I was looking at doing this- I already had a 10' miter saw, and figured
I could just get a metal cut-off wheel for it, but when I was looking,
it turned out that the arbors were just too different, <snip>
The metal cutting blade, and wood cutting blade, both 1" holes, so
I'm thinking would work.
I just ended up cutting the [angle iron] steel I needed with a hacksaw
<snip>
I'm going to be cutting angle iron, and tubing. Several sizes of
tubing, with different wall thicknesses, and a load of it. Using a
hacksaw is not an option I want to go with. Altho I did see two guys
cutting a railroad track in half, with a hacksaw, in Nam.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
I would agree with others that a bandsaw is the way to go. Looked at one
last week. Well made but the stand was flimsy (but fixable).
FWIW the South African Bureau of Standards has stopped the import of all
metal cutoff saws. They claim the guards are not good enough and hence
the saw is dangerous.
--
Phillip Hansen
Skil-Phil Solutions
To reply change the 'past' to the 'future'
Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 7:04pm (EDT+6) [email protected] (Phil=A0Hansen)
sayeth:
I would agree with others that a bandsaw is the way to go. <snip>
Ah, but the price.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Ah, but the price.
R1125 ($170) for the bandsaw and R1995 ($305) for a quality (Metabo)
cutoff saw or R995 ($155) for a real cheap quality, flimsy stand cutoff
saw. For the small difference in price and better quality my choice
would be the bandsaw.
--
Phillip Hansen
Skil-Phil Solutions
To reply change the 'past' to the 'future'
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:36:45 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 1:45am (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
>says:
>I was looking at doing this- I already had a 10' miter saw, and figured
>I could just get a metal cut-off wheel for it,
Really bad juju to try that. It's hazardous, it's bad for the saw
(abrasive rubbish gets everywhere) and it's considerably illegal to
try it (YMMV). Rules for using abrasive wheels have been strict for
years, and not without reason.
If you're doing aluminium, particularly thinwall extrusions, then a
properly designed sawblade with negative tooth rake is cheap, safe
although noisy.
> I'm going to be cutting angle iron, and tubing.
I'd look at a cheap metal cutting bandsaw. These get _really_ cheap
at the low end, and I've had a huge amount of use out of one, mainly
cutting angle or square tube to length before welding.
>Altho I did see two guys
>cutting a railroad track in half, with a hacksaw, in Nam.
What a waste ! You're in an environment with easy access to high
Vdet explosives, and they didn't use them.
--
Smert' spamionam
Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 1:09am (EDT+5) [email protected]
(Andy=A0Dingley) says:
<snip> What a waste ! =A0 You're in an environment with easy access to
high Vdet explosives, and they didn't use them.
They were Vietnamese civiians. I preferred them not getting access
to high explosives.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:36:45 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 1:45am (EDT-1) [email protected] (Prometheus)
>says:
>I was looking at doing this- I already had a 10' miter saw, and figured
>I could just get a metal cut-off wheel for it, but when I was looking,
>it turned out that the arbors were just too different, <snip>
>
> The metal cutting blade, and wood cutting blade, both 1" holes, so
>I'm thinking would work.
>
>I just ended up cutting the [angle iron] steel I needed with a hacksaw
><snip>
>
> I'm going to be cutting angle iron, and tubing. Several sizes of
>tubing, with different wall thicknesses, and a load of it. Using a
>hacksaw is not an option I want to go with. Altho I did see two guys
>cutting a railroad track in half, with a hacksaw, in Nam.
depeending how good a cut you need you might consider an in between
solution. sawzall. or the generic HF copy, whatever. lots of other
uses, too.
Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 10:36am (EDT-3) [email protected] says:
depeending how good a cut you need you might consider an in between
solution. sawzall. or the generic HF copy, whatever. lots of other uses,
too.
Cut quality would be good enough, the pieces will be welded in
place, but the speed of cutting would be too slow. If naught else, I've
got a hand-held grinder that I could use to cut 'em with - but would
prefer not.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
J T wrote:
> Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 10:36am (EDT-3) [email protected] says:
> depeending how good a cut you need you might consider an in between
> solution. sawzall. or the generic HF copy, whatever. lots of other uses,
> too.
>
> Cut quality would be good enough, the pieces will be welded in
> place, but the speed of cutting would be too slow. If naught else, I've
> got a hand-held grinder that I could use to cut 'em with - but would
> prefer not.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Recriprocating saws can actually cut pretty fast, I've been impressed with
my little one and what it can do.
Those portable bandsaws have come down in price a lot, I've been tempted to
pick up one myself. Been thinking about how to build some sort of miter
box to hold it straight to make perfect 90 degree cuts too.
Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 9:08pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) says:
Recriprocating saws can actually cut pretty fast, I've been impressed
with my little one and what it can do.
That's one option
Those portable bandsaws have come down in price a lot, <snip>
Not enough for me.
And, either option would leave me with no miter saw.
JOAT
Eagles can soar ... but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
J T wrote:
> Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 9:08pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) says:
> Recriprocating saws can actually cut pretty fast, I've been impressed
> with my little one and what it can do.
>
> That's one option
>
> Those portable bandsaws have come down in price a lot, <snip>
>
> Not enough for me.
>
Well in that case, use a hacksaw blade a wire coat hander and the wiper
motor from your neighbors car ;)