Sometimes when I write down a dimension on a plan, say the width of a
piece, I might write 1-1/4" but what I actually mean is 1-1/4" minus
the thickness of a stabilizer plus the difference between a full and
thin kerf blade. Then if anyone steals my plan they will screw it up!
That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.
-Leuf
On Mar 25, 12:31 pm, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:
> I can't tell you how many times those two little rivets that hold on that
> little hook on the end of the tape measure hung up on the wood and gave me
> an erroneous reading resulting in a board that was cut too short.
A quick tip: put a drop of adhesive (thick CA, white glue, anything)
on the rivets that will dry as a little button. It will keep the
rivets from hanging on to things they shouldn't. Another way is to
put a small piece of aluminum tape cut in a 1/4" strip across the
rivets. No more hanging.
> That measuring tape is your enemy. Particulary for ageing eyes.
NO KIDDING.
Robert
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:57:51 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mar 25, 1:26Â pm, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On the other hand, I have measured and cut material myself only to
>> >have it not fit.
>> >"What in the hell happened here?" I wonder. Â It is difficult when
>> >there is no one around to blame.
>>
>> If all else fails, blame the tape measure. Â You know they put that
>> little wiggly bit on the end just for that reason.
>>
>> (and I do know what it's really for, honest)
>>
>> -Leuf
>
>I always fix those little wiggly ends on the tape. I peen them solid
>on my anvil, then add a drop of Karazee Gloop so it will NEVER wiggle
>again.
>You'd figgur they'd have that down pat by now.
When you do this, do it to TWO tape measures - one at full extention
for outside measurement, and one fully collapsed for inside
measurements - and MARK THEM CLEARLY
--
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"Puckdropper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ac8912d0-
> [email protected]:
>
>> On Mar 25, 9:26 am, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
>>
>> I thought it was funny when I read it. I have had many helpers over
>> the years that would do the same. They would measure something and
>> then when it wouldn't fit, they would (sincerely) ask, "well, if you
>> had cut on the XX side of the line it would have fit. I measure
>> everything thinking you will be cutting from the XX side; so if it's
>> wrong, it's not my fault".
>>
>> I laughed pretty hard because it reminded me of that.
>>
>> On the other hand, I have measured and cut material myself only to
>> have it not fit.
>> "What in the hell happened here?" I wonder. It is difficult when
>> there is no one around to blame.
>>
>> Kinda reminded me of that, too.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> See, what's why those of us used to cheap saws with poor fences always
> measure blade -> fence. Perhaps we were on to something... ;-) (The new
> saw's doing great, btw. The fence tape isn't aligned to the blade yet,
> though.)
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.
>
> To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
I remember when I was younger and first starting to help my Dad. He was a
firm believer on "cutting an inch". Boy he would get mad when boards were
an inch short.
Not at all. I chuckled. Then cried. BTDT
--
Patrick Fischer
Olalla, WA
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
>
> I had the thin kerf blade on the saw with stabilizers. You'd think
> that what with just having put it on 30 seconds earlier for the
> express purpose of having a thinner kerf in the piece of walnut I was
> ripping I would remember this fact. You'd think what with the
> splitter being green for the normal blade and yellow for the thin this
> would also be a good reminder not to use the scale on the fence. You'd
> think standing there looking at the gap between the fence and blade
> thinking "that doesn't look like 1-1/4" would be a further indication.
> But no, I cut it anyway.
>
> In other words, I screwed up. Apparently I also suck at telling
> jokes. That's about how this week is going so far. And it's supposed
> to snow again tonight.
>
>
> -Leuf
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:13:57 -0400, Gerald Ross <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Just use the stabilizers on both blades and adjust the readout
>indicator on the fence then it should be correct for both. This might
>cause problems with the splitter alignment for the thicker blade,
>unless it too is adjustable.
Nope, with the tilt of my saw the arbor flange is on the opposite side
from the fence so different blade thickness changes the measurement.
It's never messed me up before, but I haven't put the thin kerf on in
long time. And I've never even looked at the scale on the fence with
the dado on there.
-Leuf
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:ac8912d0-
[email protected]:
> On Mar 25, 9:26 am, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
>
> I thought it was funny when I read it. I have had many helpers over
> the years that would do the same. They would measure something and
> then when it wouldn't fit, they would (sincerely) ask, "well, if you
> had cut on the XX side of the line it would have fit. I measure
> everything thinking you will be cutting from the XX side; so if it's
> wrong, it's not my fault".
>
> I laughed pretty hard because it reminded me of that.
>
> On the other hand, I have measured and cut material myself only to
> have it not fit.
> "What in the hell happened here?" I wonder. It is difficult when
> there is no one around to blame.
>
> Kinda reminded me of that, too.
>
> Robert
>
See, what's why those of us used to cheap saws with poor fences always
measure blade -> fence. Perhaps we were on to something... ;-) (The new
saw's doing great, btw. The fence tape isn't aligned to the blade yet,
though.)
Puckdropper
--
You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I can't tell you how many times those two little rivets that hold on
> that little hook on the end of the tape measure hung up on the wood
> and gave me an erroneous reading resulting in a board that was cut too
> short. I bought all kinds of tape measures to try to remedy this and
> ended up with a lot of tape measures. I found that the bigger and
> brighter (neon colors) they are, there was less of this problem.
*snip*
Sometimes I think those rivets are part of the problem. So what if you
can't take an inside measurement without compensating for the hook?
There are two sides to a standard tape, so make the hook 1/16" thick and
have one side for outside measurements and one for inside measurements.
By keeping the lines parallel (just offset) you still have the ability to
check for square to another line.
When was the last time you measured the hook run out on YOUR tape
measure? (I've never done it.)
Puckdropper
--
You can only do so much with caulk, cardboard, and duct tape.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
I had the thin kerf blade on the saw with stabilizers. You'd think
that what with just having put it on 30 seconds earlier for the
express purpose of having a thinner kerf in the piece of walnut I was
ripping I would remember this fact. You'd think what with the
splitter being green for the normal blade and yellow for the thin this
would also be a good reminder not to use the scale on the fence. You'd
think standing there looking at the gap between the fence and blade
thinking "that doesn't look like 1-1/4" would be a further indication.
But no, I cut it anyway.
In other words, I screwed up. Apparently I also suck at telling
jokes. That's about how this week is going so far. And it's supposed
to snow again tonight.
-Leuf
On Mar 25, 1:15 pm, "JC" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I remember when I was younger and first starting to help my Dad. He was a
> firm believer on "cutting an inch". Boy he would get mad when boards were
> an inch short.
BOY... does that bring back some memories. My Dad and I built a
storage room when I was about 11 or so. When a board was cut the
wrong length, the first thing he would do would be to stare me down
and say, "where in the hell were you holding the tape?" I knew it
wasn't me as he would let it go pretty quick.
When we were finished, there were a few discrepancies in the project,
but not too many. Strangely, I was credited with every short board,
every missed cut, and every hammer mark on the wood.
But, he assured my mother, he was proud of me because I tried, and
that is all part of the learning process.
He told that to one of his friends when they came over to admire "the
project", and they said "shame on you... how old is he again....
eleven?"
That storage room is long gone now, no doubt a victim of my faulty
design at the time of construction.
We laughed like hell about that just the other day.
Robert
On Mar 25, 1:26=A0pm, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On the other hand, I have measured and cut material myself only to
> >have it not fit.
> >"What in the hell happened here?" I wonder. =A0It is difficult when
> >there is no one around to blame.
>
> If all else fails, blame the tape measure. =A0You know they put that
> little wiggly bit on the end just for that reason.
>
> (and I do know what it's really for, honest)
>
> -Leuf
I always fix those little wiggly ends on the tape. I peen them solid
on my anvil, then add a drop of Karazee Gloop so it will NEVER wiggle
again.
You'd figgur they'd have that down pat by now.
On Mar 24, 9:24=A0pm, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sometimes when I write down a dimension on a plan, say the width of a
> piece, I might write 1-1/4" but what I actually mean is 1-1/4" minus
> the thickness of a stabilizer plus the difference between a full and
> thin kerf blade. =A0Then if anyone steals my plan they will screw it up!
>
> That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.
>
> -Leuf
Maybe you are young enough and clever enough to remember which
dimensions are incorrect and what the proper dimensions are. I screw
up often enough without building traps for myself. Falling into my
own trap would be much more frustrating to me than having someone else
profit from my work.
DonkeyHody
"I'd rather expect the best from people and be wrong than expect the
worst and be right."
Leuf <[email protected]> writes:
> Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
I thought it was great!
On Mar 25, 10:26=A0am, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
> Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
>
> In other words, I screwed up. =A0Apparently I also suck at telling
> jokes. =A0That's about how this week is going so far. =A0And it's supposed=
> to snow again tonight.
>
> -Leuf
(Smack to Forehead)
Looks like the joke's on me! I guess you can imagine what my life is
like, mired in the literal as I am. Good joke though . . . once I got
it.
DonkeyHody
"There's a difference between doing things right and doing the right
things."
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> If all else fails, blame the tape measure. You know they put that
> little wiggly bit on the end just for that reason.
Is that the little 90° metal piece right at the end of my tape measure that
keeps falling off if I'm measuring over 18"?
"asmurff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I didn't think I was naive anymore, or maybe it's just because I've never
>done trade work, but I would have never imagined customers stealing your
>plans so they could build it themselves.
Or they take the plans to a competitor and he gives a break because he does
not have to design the project.
"SonomaProducts.com" wrote:
>In a prior life I was a draftsman for a steel fabrication company
(beams and columns for buildings). Once, just before I delivered a set
of plans and shop drawings for approval my boss asked for the
originals. He ran copies and then changed lots of numbers making many
beans and columns a foot or two short and in some cases just an inch
or two difference in bolt patterns, etc. He informed me that he had a
suspicion that the customer was a fly by night operation.
BTDT with machine tool electrical control systems.
When you suspected a customer, would leave out a couple of connections
and/or cross wire a couple of circuits on the drawing.
This was specifically where we had supplied the design engineering as well
as fabricating the panel.
Customer would get order for another machine, but no order for another
panel.
Sooner or later, the call came, the service guy would hit the road.
Even back then, it was portal to portal, $750/day, 1/2 day ($500) minimum,
+ T&L expenses.
It woulld only happen once.
Those were some very expensive service calls.
Made enough on the service call to offset the profit on the panel.
Lew
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sometimes when I write down a dimension on a plan, say the width of a
> piece, I might write 1-1/4" but what I actually mean is 1-1/4" minus
> the thickness of a stabilizer plus the difference between a full and
> thin kerf blade. Then if anyone steals my plan they will screw it up!
>
> That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.
Rather than make confusing plans I simply put the dimensions on a different
layer and not provide all the dimension layers. That way I do not have to
worry about which measurements are correct and which are not. When I print
my plans they include all the dimensions, my customers plans usually only
have basic dimensions.
Leuf wrote:
> Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
>
> I had the thin kerf blade on the saw with stabilizers. You'd think
> that what with just having put it on 30 seconds earlier for the
> express purpose of having a thinner kerf in the piece of walnut I was
> ripping I would remember this fact. You'd think what with the
> splitter being green for the normal blade and yellow for the thin this
> would also be a good reminder not to use the scale on the fence. You'd
> think standing there looking at the gap between the fence and blade
> thinking "that doesn't look like 1-1/4" would be a further indication.
> But no, I cut it anyway.
>
> In other words, I screwed up. Apparently I also suck at telling
> jokes. That's about how this week is going so far. And it's supposed
> to snow again tonight.
>
>
> -Leuf
Just use the stabilizers on both blades and adjust the readout
indicator on the fence then it should be correct for both. This might
cause problems with the splitter alignment for the thicker blade,
unless it too is adjustable.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
If it's not fun, you're doing
something wrong.
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sometimes when I write down a dimension on a plan, say the width of a
> piece, I might write 1-1/4" but what I actually mean is 1-1/4" minus
> the thickness of a stabilizer plus the difference between a full and
> thin kerf blade. Then if anyone steals my plan they will screw it up!
So, where exactly do you live?
Dave in Houston
On Mar 25, 9:26 am, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
> Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
I thought it was funny when I read it. I have had many helpers over
the years that would do the same. They would measure something and
then when it wouldn't fit, they would (sincerely) ask, "well, if you
had cut on the XX side of the line it would have fit. I measure
everything thinking you will be cutting from the XX side; so if it's
wrong, it's not my fault".
I laughed pretty hard because it reminded me of that.
On the other hand, I have measured and cut material myself only to
have it not fit.
"What in the hell happened here?" I wonder. It is difficult when
there is no one around to blame.
Kinda reminded me of that, too.
Robert
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:24:42 -0400, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
>Sometimes when I write down a dimension on a plan, say the width of a
>piece, I might write 1-1/4" but what I actually mean is 1-1/4" minus
>the thickness of a stabilizer plus the difference between a full and
>thin kerf blade. Then if anyone steals my plan they will screw it up!
>
>That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.
>
>
>-Leuf
My cat does that "I meant to do that" look really well..wanna rent him next
project?
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
In a prior life I was a draftsman for a steel fabrication company
(beams and columns for buildings). Once, just before I delivered a set
of plans and shop drawings for approval my boss asked for the
originals. He ran copies and then changed lots of numbers making many
beans and columns a foot or two short and in some cases just an inch
or two difference in bolt patterns, etc. He informed me that he had a
suspicion that the customer was a fly by night operation.
Sure enough we delivered the drawings for approval and never head
another word. A few weeks later there were piles of steel at the job
site which was near our office. The small job should have had the
steel erected in a day, maybe two. A few weeks later all the steel was
gone and it was a few months before they showed up with a new pile.
On Mar 24, 7:24=A0pm, Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sometimes when I write down a dimension on a plan, say the width of a
> piece, I might write 1-1/4" but what I actually mean is 1-1/4" minus
> the thickness of a stabilizer plus the difference between a full and
> thin kerf blade. =A0Then if anyone steals my plan they will screw it up!
>
> That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.
>
> -Leuf
On Mar 26, 4:40=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "asmurff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I didn't think I was naive anymore, or maybe it's just because I've never=
> >done trade work, but I would have never imagined customers stealing your
> >plans so they could build it themselves.
>
> Or they take the plans to a competitor and he gives a break because he doe=
s
> not have to design the project.
I do the opposite. I quote extra high when somebody comes into my shop
with a drawing from one of my brothers in arms. Very often I will see
a drawing *I* will have made when I quoted the kitchen dealer who I
normally supply. I end up looking at my own drawing. So I quote high.
Then they go away just to see me show up to take a template. Quite
funny... most of the time.
Leuf <[email protected]> wrote:
>Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
No, it was appreciated by those not humor-challenged.
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.
"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On the other hand, I have measured and cut material myself only to
>>have it not fit.
>>"What in the hell happened here?" I wonder. It is difficult when
>>there is no one around to blame.
>
> If all else fails, blame the tape measure. You know they put that
> little wiggly bit on the end just for that reason.
>
> (and I do know what it's really for, honest)
>
I can't tell you how many times those two little rivets that hold on that
little hook on the end of the tape measure hung up on the wood and gave me
an erroneous reading resulting in a board that was cut too short. I bought
all kinds of tape measures to try to remedy this and ended up with a lot of
tape measures. I found that the bigger and brighter (neon colors) they are,
there was less of this problem.
But after too many wasted boards and trips to the lumber yard to replace
miscut boards, I have adopted a modified story stick approach. Particularly
if the measurements are critical and the wood is expensive, I cut a peice of
inexpensive "story stick stock". I then remeasure it once or twice and fit
it to something to make sure it fits. I then use this story stick to make
my critical measurement and cut. I will even use the story stick itself as
cut guide.
That measuring tape is your enemy. Particulary for ageing eyes.
I didn't think I was naive anymore, or maybe it's just because I've never
done trade work, but I would have never imagined customers stealing your
plans so they could build it themselves.
--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
IYAAYAS
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Sometimes when I write down a dimension on a plan, say the width of a
>> piece, I might write 1-1/4" but what I actually mean is 1-1/4" minus
>> the thickness of a stabilizer plus the difference between a full and
>> thin kerf blade. Then if anyone steals my plan they will screw it up!
>>
>> That's my story, and I'm sticking with it.
>
>
> Rather than make confusing plans I simply put the dimensions on a
> different layer and not provide all the dimension layers. That way I do
> not have to worry about which measurements are correct and which are not.
> When I print my plans they include all the dimensions, my customers plans
> usually only have basic dimensions.
>
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:26:14 -0400, Leuf <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Okay apparently my attempt at humor has failed.
>
>In other words, I screwed up. Apparently I also suck at telling
>jokes.
I got it the first time around. I figured that's exactly what
happened.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
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email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:07:16 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On the other hand, I have measured and cut material myself only to
>have it not fit.
>"What in the hell happened here?" I wonder. It is difficult when
>there is no one around to blame.
If all else fails, blame the tape measure. You know they put that
little wiggly bit on the end just for that reason.
(and I do know what it's really for, honest)
-Leuf
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:07:16 -0500, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Leuf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> If all else fails, blame the tape measure. You know they put that
>> little wiggly bit on the end just for that reason.
>
>Is that the little 90° metal piece right at the end of my tape measure that
>keeps falling off if I'm measuring over 18"?
You must have the upgraded version with patented Curse Inducement
Technology. Truly fortunate are you.
-Leuf