Enjoy
Lew
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
How to use Your IRS Rebate check...
As you may have heard, each of us will be getting a tax rebate check
to stimulate the economy.
If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
If we purchase a computer it will go to India.
If we purchase fruits and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras,
and Guatemala.
If we purchase a good car it will go to Japan.
If we purchase useless stuff it will go to Taiwan and none of it will
help the American economy.
We need to keep that money here in America.
The only way to kee p that money here at home is to spend it at
YARD SALES,
since those are the only businesses still in the US!
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "B A R R Y" wrote:
>
>> Remember "Shop Class?" <G>
>
> Actually, no.
>
> Back in those days "shop" wasn't considered a prereq for engineering
> school; however, Latin was.
>
> Think I would have rather had the "shop" classes than Latin.
Same here. I had shop in 7th and 8th grade public school, but the
Catholic high school I attended, like so many public schools today,
didn't offer shop.
FWIW, My Catholic high school turned out a Governor of CT, and two
mayors of a CT city. All three guys ended up in prison. =8^0
The Gov. and one mayor were simply corrupt. Mayor #2 hired hookers and
told them to bring their kids! I played high school football with mayor #2.
Hank wrote:
> FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008
>> 05:23 pm and wrote the following:
>>
... snip
>>>
>> And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to
>> increase the price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price
>> of gas tied to what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must
>> be, keep it in Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the
>> ground.
>
> Senators Clinton and Obama only said they were going to renegotiate NAFTA.
> I know Senator Obama's people have reassured Canada that he was only
> fooling and I suspect Senator Clinton's people did the same.
I think the words were more along the lines of "saying what was
politically expedient to the sheep to whom they were trolling for votes".
A little bit more diabolical than simply "only fooling".
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B A R R Y wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:13:46 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>According to brother in law who designs pipe line to move crude oil. Only
>>about 10% of US oil comes from Mid East, 60% come from Canada, the rest
>>coming from North/South/Central America (exculding Canada) and Africa.
>
> Has your BIL read the DOE website? <G>
>
Looking at that web site:
Total imports in 2007: 3,656,170
From Persian Gulf countries: 774,799 which is about 21%
From Canada: 680,533 which is about 19%
From Mexico: 514,480 which is about 14%
From other South American 658,011 which is about 18%
So, it is true that only 21% of US oil comes from Persian Gulf countries
(which most people would associate as Middle-East countries) and 51% is
coming from Canada, Mexico, and other South American countries.
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Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008 06:50 pm
and wrote the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to increase
>> the
>> price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price of gas tied to
>> what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must be, keep it in
>> Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the ground.
>
> NAFTA says nothing about tying the pump price of gasoline to the price
> south of the border.
>
> It DOES say that Canada can't apply restrictions on our exports to the
> US that are more onerous than we apply on our domestic supplies.
>
> THAT's the hammer we would have in any renegotiation of NAFTA.
>
> Remove that clause, and we would have right to turn off the pipelines
> to protect domestic supply. Under the current agreement, that's not
> possible.
>
If it isn't in NAFTA there is some other agreement that requires pricing to
be tied to the nearest US city. I have heard it several times, just can't
remember the context.
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"B A R R Y" wrote:
> Same here. I had shop in 7th and 8th grade public school, but the
> Catholic high school I attended, like so many public schools today,
> didn't offer shop.
>
> FWIW, My Catholic high school turned out a Governor of CT, and two
> mayors of a CT city. All three guys ended up in prison. =8^0
>
> The Gov. and one mayor were simply corrupt. Mayor #2 hired hookers
> and told them to bring their kids! I played high school football
> with mayor #2.
I was fortunate enough to attend a public school in a small, liberal
arts, college town.
Needless to say, there was a serious focus on academics.
My kids recieved their education at Catholic schools in a large
metropolitan area.
IMHO, didn't get fair value for the tuiton paid when compared to what
I received.
Lew
Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008 09:59 pm
and wrote the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008 06:50
>> pm and wrote the following:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to
>> >> increase the
>> >> price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price of gas tied
>> >> to what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must be, keep it
>> >> in Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the ground.
>> >
>> > NAFTA says nothing about tying the pump price of gasoline to the price
>> > south of the border.
>> >
>> > It DOES say that Canada can't apply restrictions on our exports to the
>> > US that are more onerous than we apply on our domestic supplies.
>> >
>> > THAT's the hammer we would have in any renegotiation of NAFTA.
>> >
>> > Remove that clause, and we would have right to turn off the pipelines
>> > to protect domestic supply. Under the current agreement, that's not
>> > possible.
>> >
>> If it isn't in NAFTA there is some other agreement that requires pricing
>> to
>> be tied to the nearest US city. I have heard it several times, just
>> can't remember the context.
>
> Here in Saskatoon, to tie any price to the "nearest US city" would be
> insanity, and I'm sure the media would be full of it.
>
> Methinks you're misremembering. If you do find out what that agreement
> is, though, please let me know.
>
Ok, maybe you are right, but this is an interesting read:
http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/02047e.html
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In article <[email protected]>, Dave in
Houston <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:6kuQj.117$lc6.33@trnddc04...
>
> > If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
>
> I can remember when WallyMart's advertsing touted their
> Made-In-America-ness (I know; that's not a REAL word).
>
> Dave in Houston
It's very, very frequent here that replies to a post labeled OT: or O/T
has that label stripped from it, starting another thread and defeating
the filters of people who want to NOT read off topic posts.
Dave, why did that happen in your reply? Was it something you did, or
is it something OE does?
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In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
> <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
> >>
> >
> >Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
> >our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
> >Africa?
>
> ummm... No.
Canada is the largest single energy supplier to the US, but we ship you
more natural gas than oil.
However, in 2006 we exported more crude than natural gas (in dollar
value, not energy units). In '05 we exported $16 billion of crude and
$32 billion of NG. In '07 it was $25B crude, $24B NG.
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In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
<[email protected]> wrote:
> However, the Mid-East _region_ supplies more oil to the US than
> Canada:
I'm sure the REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD supplies more oil to the US than
Canada.
Have a nice life.
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In article <[email protected]>, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_i
> mports/current/import.html
Thanks for that link, Doug. Interesting figures.
Even more interesting as your Democratic Part candidates fall over
themselves to talk about renegotiating NAFTS, innit?
They may want to read the agreement and see what it says about energy...
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In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:
> And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to increase the
> price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price of gas tied to
> what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must be, keep it in
> Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the ground.
NAFTA says nothing about tying the pump price of gasoline to the price
south of the border.
It DOES say that Canada can't apply restrictions on our exports to the
US that are more onerous than we apply on our domestic supplies.
THAT's the hammer we would have in any renegotiation of NAFTA.
Remove that clause, and we would have right to turn off the pipelines
to protect domestic supply. Under the current agreement, that's not
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In article <KNOQj.471$PY5.133@trnddc01>, evodawg <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hey don't blame them, blame the US Gov. for doing nothing and allowing our
> dollar to become worth almost nothing.
Par with the Canadian dollar is *nothing*?
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In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:44:48 -0600, Dave Balderstone
> <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> However, the Mid-East _region_ supplies more oil to the US than
> >> Canada:
> >
> >I'm sure the REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD supplies more oil to the US than
> >Canada.
> >
> >Have a nice life.
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm not picking on you. The Mid East region is quite different from
> the rest of the world, because the Mid East hates up.
>
> Sorry if I fired you up.
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In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008 06:50 pm
> and wrote the following:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, FrozenNorth
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to increase
> >> the
> >> price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price of gas tied to
> >> what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must be, keep it in
> >> Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the ground.
> >
> > NAFTA says nothing about tying the pump price of gasoline to the price
> > south of the border.
> >
> > It DOES say that Canada can't apply restrictions on our exports to the
> > US that are more onerous than we apply on our domestic supplies.
> >
> > THAT's the hammer we would have in any renegotiation of NAFTA.
> >
> > Remove that clause, and we would have right to turn off the pipelines
> > to protect domestic supply. Under the current agreement, that's not
> > possible.
> >
> If it isn't in NAFTA there is some other agreement that requires pricing to
> be tied to the nearest US city. I have heard it several times, just can't
> remember the context.
Here in Saskatoon, to tie any price to the "nearest US city" would be
insanity, and I'm sure the media would be full of it.
Methinks you're misremembering. If you do find out what that agreement
is, though, please let me know.
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Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008 05:23 pm
and wrote the following:
> In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
>> <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
>> >our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
>> >Africa?
>>
>> ummm... No.
>
> Canada is the largest single energy supplier to the US, but we ship you
> more natural gas than oil.
>
> However, in 2006 we exported more crude than natural gas (in dollar
> value, not energy units). In '05 we exported $16 billion of crude and
> $32 billion of NG. In '07 it was $25B crude, $24B NG.
>
And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to increase the
price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price of gas tied to
what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must be, keep it in
Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the ground.
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In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> My guess, and IIRC, in an RFC of yore, "delimiters" like "/", ":", "\" are
> used for encoded words in message headers and are probably not being parsed
> by OE.
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
> Ranking may have changed, but when we lived in Philly, the Catholic
> school systems was ranked in the top 5 in the country while the
> public school systems was ranked in the bottom five. When we moved
> we put our kids in the Catholic school here and realized it was a
> mixtake. The public shoool was much better, but still not nearly as
> good as what we had in Philly.
I'm convinced living in a town of less than 20,000 in a very
profitable farm community that had a liberal arts college owning 1/4
of the city incorporated area created a rather unique situation.
Many of the college faculty were very active in helping to form public
school policy.
About 10 years ago, they built a new high school.
We were given a tour during a class renunion.
You needed a GPS to navigate your way around the place.<G>
Lew
"Edwin Pawlowski"
> We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled machinists and
> train them to become casino dealers. You probably saw the ad in The
> Courant for the Florida casino. Many openings.
Actually, according to the "head hunters", there is a real shortage of
"skilled trades" personal.
Tool & Die, Carpenters (not saw dust generators), electricians (not
the strip and stuff bunch), plumbers/pipe fitters (more than don't eat
the yellow snow), salesmen(not order takers), as well as others, are
all positions that are in short supply.
Understand Jay Leno is funding some scholarships for automotive
skilled trades positions.
Long on brawn, short on brain, just won't cut it anymore.
Lew
"J. Clarke" wrote:
> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against
> fourth-world
> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for
> a
> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable.
If you want a practical example of the above, look no farther than the
General Electric Company.
The company has had a dramatic restructuring over the last 25 years,
starting with J Welch and now J Immelt.
Gone are the low profit businesses, replaced by higher margin, hitech
businesses.
Lew
B A R R Y wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:13:46 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>According to brother in law who designs pipe line to move crude oil. Only
>>about 10% of US oil comes from Mid East, 60% come from Canada, the rest
>>coming from North/South/Central America (exculding Canada) and Africa.
>
> Has your BIL read the DOE website? <G>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
> ---------------------------------------------
Question? Hope I'm asking the original poster. When coming through Utah last
summer on vacation with the kids. Stopped near a town, Vernal I think the
name was, but it was near Dinosaur National Park on the Utah/Colo. boarder.
Anyway this town was completely employed by oil companies building this oil
pipeline from Canada to I think Texas. It's funny cause I had never really
heard much about it from that point or since. You'd think it would be all
over the news because of the environmental impact on the Southwest. Anyway
does your brother in law know about this pipeline?
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> That's freakin depressing. But freakin true. But I'm getting more and more
> customers with money that want me to build them furniture. Guess they're
> tired of throwing furniture out on the curb and sending money to china.
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I wonder if you are seeing a trend? I went to a low level Craft Show last
weekend, Weather was HORRIBLE!!!! Cold, Rainy, Windy! Gate was supposed to
be about 15000 but turned out to be about 500. All the vendors had to do
was walk around and grip about sales. The crafts could be put into the
following categories: High end crafts, midrange crafts, resale items, you
can eat it, jewelry. I noticed that High end crafters made a profit,
midrange went from making expenses to loss, jewelry was a loss, you can eat
it did very well, resale didn't make enough to pay for gas to get home (show
cost $150 and the best sales total from resale I heard of was $50). I have
noticed this as other shows too.
At a High Level show a few weeks ago the useable crafts such as furniture,
pottery etc did well, decorations ( including jewelry) did from good to bad
and food did from well to why am I here depending on whether it was for
commercial sales or home use (Nearly everyone made expenses for the show
about $700). The flea market nearby was dead with vendors willing to wheel
and deal to make expenses (A couple of them I talked to in the smoking area
didn't make booth fee ($100) and said it had been like that at other shows
too). The customers seem to have cash, Credit card sales are down, and are
willing to spend it but are getting more selective on what they buy and what
the quality is. If it is a trend I would like to see it grow.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
[...snip...]
>The only way to kee p that money here at home is to spend it at
>
>YARD SALES,
>
>since those are the only businesses still in the US!
>
Aww, wreckers should know what to do. Just buy a Lie-Neilsen tool, or
some wood...too bad it will be "unpatriotic" to get something from Lee
Valley.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
><notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>>>
>>
>>Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
>>our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
>>Africa?
>
>ummm... No.
Ummmm.... yes. Damn near two-thirds of it, actually.
Total U.S. oil imports in 2007: 3.656 billion barrels.
Canada: 680 million
Mexico: 514 million
South America: 557 million, broken out as follows
Venezuela: 420 million
Ecuador: 72 million
Argentina: 12 million
Boliva: 1 million
Columbia: 50 million
Peru: 2 million
west coast of Africa: 641 million, broken out as follows
Angola: 181 million
Nigeria: 395 million
Cameroon: 9 million
Congo: 23 million
Equatorial Guinea: 20 million
Gabon: 23 million
680 + 514 + 557 + 641 = 2393.
>
>> I mean the cost of shipping oil all the way from Saudi Arabia
>>makes it even more expensive.
>
>We get a lot of mid-east oil.
Only about 20% of our oil comes from the Middle East.
The top ten oil suppliers to the U.S. are, in order, Canada, Saudi Arabia,
Mexico, Venezuela, Nigeria, Angola, Iraq, Algeria, Ecuador, and Kuwait.
Only three of those are in the Middle East, and the last one, Kuwait, in tenth
place, accounts for a whopping one and three-quarters percent of the oil
imported into the U.S. in 2007.
Source for above is the U.S. Department of Energy:
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epc0_im0_mbbl_a.htm
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evodawg coughed up some electrons that declared:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> Enjoy
>>
>> Lew
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> How to use Your IRS Rebate check...
>>
>> As you may have heard, each of us will be getting a tax rebate check
>> to stimulate the economy.
>>
>> If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
>>
>> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>> If we purchase a computer it will go to India.
>>
>> If we purchase fruits and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras,
>> and Guatemala.
>>
>> If we purchase a good car it will go to Japan.
>>
>> If we purchase useless stuff it will go to Taiwan and none of it will
>> help the American economy.
>>
>> We need to keep that money here in America.
>>
>> The only way to kee p that money here at home is to spend it at
>>
>> YARD SALES,
>>
>> since those are the only businesses still in the US!
>
> That's freakin depressing. But freakin true. But I'm getting more and more
> customers with money that want me to build them furniture. Guess they're
> tired of throwing furniture out on the curb and sending money to china.
Join the club... I don't think the UK makes anything much either (I work at
a firm that *does* do electronics, but we're small).
I agree on the furniture - I've just inherited a load of furniture since my
father passed away. Most of it needs serious refinishing, but I've kept it
precisely because it is made of decent actual wood. Still better than that
chipboard and MDF crap than most of the sheds sell.
I was in Australia last month and they seem to be doing rather better - they
make a big thing of "Made in Oz". Apparently all your (USA) builders are
disappearing over there due a glut of housebuilding and a shortage of
workers.
BTW - at least you get an IRS rebate. Gordon the Fat Contoller and his
trusty manservant Captain Darling are making damn sure they're keeping all
my money. Bastards!
Cheers
Tim
Hank wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> "Edwin Pawlowski"
>>>
... snip
>>
>> One problem he might be having is that the government of the state of
>> Connecticut, despite decades of lip service to creating a climate
>> conducive to attracting new business, has nonethelese managed to put
>> Connecticut 39th on the list of desirable locations to start a
>> business.
>>
>
> New York must be 50th.
Except for the natural surroundings that attract people, I'd think
California would have that honor. High taxes, excessive regulation,
housing prices that make it impossible for new hires to live in anything
bigger than an outhouse -- what's not to love?
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on 4/25/2008 8:04 PM Lew Hodgett said the following:
> Enjoy
>
> Lew
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> How to use Your IRS Rebate check...
>
> As you may have heard, each of us will be getting a tax rebate check
> to stimulate the economy.
>
> If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
>
> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
> If we purchase a computer it will go to India.
>
> If we purchase fruits and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras,
> and Guatemala.
>
> If we purchase a good car it will go to Japan.
>
> If we purchase useless stuff it will go to Taiwan and none of it will
> help the American economy.
>
> We need to keep that money here in America.
>
> The only way to kee p that money here at home is to spend it at
>
> YARD SALES,
>
> since those are the only businesses still in the US!
I spent mine a year or two ago. That and most of the money I'll make in
the next few years.
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"Dave Balderstone" wrote
> It's very, very frequent here that replies to a post labeled OT: or O/T
> has that label stripped from it, starting another thread and defeating
> the filters of people who want to NOT read off topic posts.
>
> Dave, why did that happen in your reply? Was it something you did, or
> is it something OE does?
My guess, and IIRC, in an RFC of yore, "delimiters" like "/", ":", "\" are
used for encoded words in message headers and are probably not being parsed
by OE.
(this may a rare case where MSFT actually follows an RFC instead of ignoring
those parts that are inconvenient to their purpose?)
IOW and IIRC again, include the example "O/T", or "OT:" in the Subject
header, under said RFC, the characters in parentheses wouldn't be displayed
by the mail/news client.
... it's been a loooong while, however, so I may be all wet. :)
But ... the saving grace is the "reply" remains "threaded", which is much
less aggravating than when someone starts a new thread with the same subject
on purpose.
Just my tuppence/SWAG ...
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
"evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:2e8Rj.272$Yo2.260@trndny01...
>B A R R Y wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:13:46 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>According to brother in law who designs pipe line to move crude oil. Only
>>>about 10% of US oil comes from Mid East, 60% come from Canada, the rest
>>>coming from North/South/Central America (exculding Canada) and Africa.
>>
>> Has your BIL read the DOE website? <G>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
>> ---------------------------------------------
> Question? Hope I'm asking the original poster. When coming through Utah
> last
> summer on vacation with the kids. Stopped near a town, Vernal I think the
> name was, but it was near Dinosaur National Park on the Utah/Colo.
> boarder.
> Anyway this town was completely employed by oil companies building this
> oil
> pipeline from Canada to I think Texas. It's funny cause I had never really
> heard much about it from that point or since. You'd think it would be all
> over the news because of the environmental impact on the Southwest. Anyway
> does your brother in law know about this pipeline?
> --
> "You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK"
> Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
I'm sure he knows about it, but how much would be the question. He keeps up
with most of the pipelines being built to one degree or another and has
somepart in the design of a lot of them, mostly overseas but some in the US.
Works out of Alaska and did design work on the Alaskan pipeline back when it
was being built.Thats were he got his start.
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
>> <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>>>>
>>> Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
>>> our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
>>> Africa?
>> ummm... No.
>
> Canada is the largest single energy supplier to the US, but we ship you
> more natural gas than oil.
>
> However, in 2006 we exported more crude than natural gas (in dollar
> value, not energy units). In '05 we exported $16 billion of crude and
> $32 billion of NG. In '07 it was $25B crude, $24B NG.
>
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
> We need to keep that money here in America.
> The only way to kee p that money here at home is to spend it at
> YARD SALES,
> since those are the only businesses still in the US!
>
LOL, then take the proceeds from the yard sale and splurge at Wal-Mart. I
would not describe yard sales as businesses, otherwise the profits go back
to Uncle Sam via Schedules C and D which will do no damn good for this
economy.
Regarding federal tax, years ago, we had a 10% investment credit and income
average over a five period - that was a better and equitable stimulus.
This stimulus means the treasury prints more paper money which results in
more federal debt - now at more than 9 trillion dollars. The Chinese just
buy it up, over one trillion dollars so far, $330 billion is US treasury
notes according to Wikipedia. This is a strange relationship - your enemy,
ideology wise, is also your friend.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> How long before China controls the US?
>>
>> I doubt our politician have ever read a history books and looked at
>> the superpowers of the world and what happened to them.
>
> I heard the Arabs were going to buy the US. They couldn't. I heard
> that the Japanese were going to buy the US. They couldn't. Now
> you're saying that China is going to do it. I'm not holding my
> breath.
>
> Find out what percentage of the national debt that 330 billion
> represents. And how long it took China to accumulate it. And at what
> rate the national debt is increasing.
>
> --
> --
> --John
And look at the rate that China is taking more of our money and has a much
stronger manufacturing base every ears while ours crumbles. I did not say
it would happen next week, but what if some despot leader in China decided
to play games, such as putting on an export tax of 100% or so, or stopped
exports in total to the US or a lot of other possibilities? Or if China
buys Wal Mart.
Just go back and look at powers of the world in the past such as
Constantinople, Rome, Venice, England etc. Follow the gold. It may not
happen in our lifetime, but it can, and probably will, happen some day be it
China or some other country.
FrozenNorth wrote:
> Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008 05:23
> pm and wrote the following:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
>>> <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
>>> >our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
>>> >Africa?
>>>
>>> ummm... No.
>>
>> Canada is the largest single energy supplier to the US, but we ship you
>> more natural gas than oil.
>>
>> However, in 2006 we exported more crude than natural gas (in dollar
>> value, not energy units). In '05 we exported $16 billion of crude and
>> $32 billion of NG. In '07 it was $25B crude, $24B NG.
>>
> And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to increase
> the
> price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price of gas tied to
> what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must be, keep it in
> Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the ground.
Hey don't blame them, blame the US Gov. for doing nothing and allowing our
dollar to become worth almost nothing. The only one benefiting are the
products that still are made in this country. Which are few and far
between.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
According to brother in law who designs pipe line to move crude oil. Only
about 10% of US oil comes from Mid East, 60% come from Canada, the rest
coming from North/South/Central America (exculding Canada) and Africa.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:260420081644484282%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> However, the Mid-East _region_ supplies more oil to the US than
>> Canada:
>
> I'm sure the REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD supplies more oil to the US than
> Canada.
>
> Have a nice life.
>
> --
> Help improve usenet. Kill-file Google Groups.
> http://improve-usenet.org/
Frank wrote:
>> We need to keep that money here in America.
>> The only way to kee p that money here at home is to spend it at
>> YARD SALES,
>> since those are the only businesses still in the US!
>>
>
> LOL, then take the proceeds from the yard sale and splurge at Wal-Mart. I
> would not describe yard sales as businesses, otherwise the profits go back
> to Uncle Sam via Schedules C and D which will do no damn good for this
> economy.
>
> Regarding federal tax, years ago, we had a 10% investment credit and income
> average over a five period - that was a better and equitable stimulus.
>
> This stimulus means the treasury prints more paper money which results in
> more federal debt - now at more than 9 trillion dollars. The Chinese just
> buy it up, over one trillion dollars so far, $330 billion is US treasury
> notes according to Wikipedia. This is a strange relationship - your enemy,
> ideology wise, is also your friend.
>
>
Over $4 trillion of the $9 trillion is intra governmental debt - the
result of taking the excess contributions of the 150 or so trust funds
and replacing them with non negotiable government notes. That leaves
the $5 trillion that is negotiable, some owned by foreign interests,
some owned by US funds and some owned by individuals in the form of
savings bonds and other government bonds.
BTW, if the debt were all paid off, it would require cashing in all
those IOUs and investing the $4 trillion portion in other things - in
short, privatizing the trust funds.
But all this is small potatos - the government has currently promised
over $50 trillion in unfunded social programs with politicians dreaming
up new ways to add to the tab to buy your votes.
"Doug Winterburn" wrote:
> Or you could look at the Motorola model which is to sell off
> profitable divisions in an attempt to keep the unprofitable
> divisions afloat. After their divestiture of the handset business,
> there won't be much left. The bone pickers have almost picked the
> carcase clean.
Motorla has been an accident waiting to happen.
You could see the writing on the wall when the CEO @ Sun Micro left
and took over Motorola.
His pockets are lined, the share holders are empty from both
companies.
Lew
Curran Copeland wrote:
>
> "evodawg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:2e8Rj.272$Yo2.260@trndny01...
>>B A R R Y wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:13:46 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>According to brother in law who designs pipe line to move crude oil.
>>>>Only about 10% of US oil comes from Mid East, 60% come from Canada, the
>>>>rest coming from North/South/Central America (exculding Canada) and
>>>>Africa.
>>>
>>> Has your BIL read the DOE website? <G>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>> Question? Hope I'm asking the original poster. When coming through Utah
>> last
>> summer on vacation with the kids. Stopped near a town, Vernal I think the
>> name was, but it was near Dinosaur National Park on the Utah/Colo.
>> boarder.
>> Anyway this town was completely employed by oil companies building this
>> oil
>> pipeline from Canada to I think Texas. It's funny cause I had never
>> really heard much about it from that point or since. You'd think it would
>> be all over the news because of the environmental impact on the
>> Southwest. Anyway does your brother in law know about this pipeline?
>> --
>> "You can lead them to LINUX
>> but you can't make them THINK"
>> Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
>
> I'm sure he knows about it, but how much would be the question. He keeps
> up with most of the pipelines being built to one degree or another and has
> somepart in the design of a lot of them, mostly overseas but some in the
> US. Works out of Alaska and did design work on the Alaskan pipeline back
> when it was being built.Thats were he got his start.
I see, well thanks for the info. I was just curious why I'd not heard about
it before I traveled through that small town in Utah. Seems like it would
have been a news story.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6kuQj.117$lc6.33@trnddc04...
> If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
I can remember when WallyMart's advertsing touted their
Made-In-America-ness (I know; that's not a REAL word).
Dave in Houston
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "J. Clarke" wrote:
>
>> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against
>> fourth-world
>> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for
>> a
>> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
>> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable.
>
> If you want a practical example of the above, look no farther than the
> General Electric Company.
>
> The company has had a dramatic restructuring over the last 25 years,
> starting with J Welch and now J Immelt.
>
> Gone are the low profit businesses, replaced by higher margin, hitech
> businesses.
>
>
> Lew
>
>
Or you could look at the Motorola model which is to sell off profitable
divisions in an attempt to keep the unprofitable divisions afloat.
After their divestiture of the handset business, there won't be much
left. The bone pickers have almost picked the carcase clean.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Why retrain machinists as "casino dealers"? Why not train them to be
> doctors or lawyers or accountants or paralegals or nurses or medical
> technicians? If everybody in Connecticut is out of work then who's
> buying all the Hummers I see on the street? And if nobody in
> Connecticut has disposable income then who is frequenting that casino?
Why not ask the guys that have been laid off from Electric Boat? The
skilled welders. ironworkers, etc. that went from $30 an hour to $5 casino
dealers. Or from many of the industries that have closed and moved jobs to
Mexico and China. Maybe one of them can be your doctor.
>
> Sorry, sounds to me like your machinist job went away and you don't
> have the job-hunting skills to find another job that you like so
> rather than blaming yourself for your own shortcomings instead you're
> trying to scapegoat the Chinese.
Never was a machinist. I'm still at the same job for the past 19 years and
plan to stay another 19 or so. I'm very well paid and like my work so I
have no plans to retire, thank you.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>
Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
Africa? I mean the cost of shipping oil all the way from Saudi Arabia
makes it even more expensive. We get some from there, but I thought it
was only when Africa oil distribution has been interrupted.
(the following is soap box comment, you may ignore it if you choose)
And this way (Canada, Mexico, Africa) the big oil companies owned by
Friends-of-Bush-and-Cheney can make all those huge profits but pay so
little taxes. (moved off-shore to hide profits and avoid taxes.)
"Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
[snip]
> Maybe the Chinese will start exporting their manufacturing jobs to the
> U.S. and it's cheap Mexican labor!
> What goes around . . .
>
> Dave in Houston
It's already happened -- the Chinese refrigerator and appliance company
Haier has a manufacturing plant next to I-95 in South Carolina -- (not too
far away from the BMW and Michelin plants near Greenville) --
" Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Phil Again" <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>>>
>>
>> Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most
>> of our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast
>> of Africa?
>
> Why can we just drill offshore, plenty of oil in the ocean bottom? Why
> can we built more nuclear plants? Why we haven't built refineries for
> years? This political correctness is killing us.
>
>
>
> I mean the cost of shipping oil all the way from Saudi Arabia
>> makes it even more expensive. We get some from there, but I thought
>> it was only when Africa oil distribution has been interrupted.
>>
>> (the following is soap box comment, you may ignore it if you choose)
>> And this way (Canada, Mexico, Africa) the big oil companies owned by
>> Friends-of-Bush-and-Cheney can make all those huge profits but pay so
>> little taxes. (moved off-shore to hide profits and avoid taxes.)
>>
>
>
>
I dunno, ask Lew. Seems we folk don't know. I'm a Friend-of-Bush-and-Cheney
and don't make huge profits, but pay pretty large taxes. Had to send an
additional check to the IRS for $2300 (total tax was $11430). I look upon
this as a 9% rebate. Maybe I should move off shore.
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in
news:260420081523200975%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca:
> In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
>> <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
>> >our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
>> >Africa?
>>
>> ummm... No.
>
> Canada is the largest single energy supplier to the US, but we ship you
> more natural gas than oil.
>
> However, in 2006 we exported more crude than natural gas (in dollar
> value, not energy units). In '05 we exported $16 billion of crude and
> $32 billion of NG. In '07 it was $25B crude, $24B NG.
>
Dave,
Do Canadians have to jump the same hurdles as we do in the US? I
understand controls and the need for them, but they can become
unreasonable.
Hank
FrozenNorth <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Dave Balderstone took a can of maroon spray paint on April 26, 2008
> 05:23 pm and wrote the following:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
>>> <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most
>>> >of our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast
>>> >of Africa?
>>>
>>> ummm... No.
>>
>> Canada is the largest single energy supplier to the US, but we ship
>> you more natural gas than oil.
>>
>> However, in 2006 we exported more crude than natural gas (in dollar
>> value, not energy units). In '05 we exported $16 billion of crude and
>> $32 billion of NG. In '07 it was $25B crude, $24B NG.
>>
> And if Obama or Clinton want to renegotiate NAFTA, do we get to
> increase the price? And lower the price at our pumps? Why is my price
> of gas tied to what they charge across the border, NAFTA says it must
> be, keep it in Canada at a price they can afford to get it out of the
> ground.
Senators Clinton and Obama only said they were going to renegotiate NAFTA.
I know Senator Obama's people have reassured Canada that he was only
fooling and I suspect Senator Clinton's people did the same.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> In which history book is there a cataloguing of the gold reserves of
>> each of these civilizations, and what, exactly, do you believe that
>> has to do with the Chinese economy?
>>
>
> There are numerous books on the history of gold and the history of
> money. Visit any decent library and you'll find a couple of them.
>
> Gold is actually a fascinating subject that goes back thousands of
> years. The first gold minted as coins go back to 560 BC in Lydia. In
> 58 BC, Julius Ceasar fought in Gaul and brought back enough gold to
> pay his soldiers and pay off all the debt of the Roman Empire. I don't
> know of a particular cataloguing of each countiries reserves, but it
> has provided wealth and power for a very long time. Don't take my
> work, look it up. The Chinese are slowly accumulating wealth, much
> coming from the US.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> So why are you on about it. You're going to die too, and if you
>> spend all your time obsessing about it you're not going to have much
>> of a life.
>
> Obessing? I merely stated a fact. Call it a conversational thing but
> you prefer to escalate it to something it is not.
>
>
>
>>
>> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against fourth-world
>> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for a
>> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
>> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable. Which
>> makes more sense? And if the fourth world decides to cut off our
>> supply of faucet washers how long do you think it takes to get a
>> faucet washer production line going?
>
> In theory you are right, but we are moving more and more to China
> without the replacement profitable items here yet. Perhaps you can
> move them along? We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled
> machinists and train them to become casino dealers. You probably saw
> the ad in The Courant for the Florida casino. Many openings.
>
>
>
Ewin, You are both correct and incorrect. JC brought back gold that that
was taken by conquest (didn't mine it, refine it etc.). He also brought
back slaves (worth a pretty sesterce (sp?). and much other plunder.
Selling this stuff paid his army (actually the army was well paid without
this) a bonus.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> "Edwin Pawlowski"
>>
>>> We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled machinists and
>>> train them to become casino dealers. You probably saw the ad in
>>> The
>>> Courant for the Florida casino. Many openings.
>>
>>
>> Actually, according to the "head hunters", there is a real shortage
>> of
>> "skilled trades" personal.
>>
>> Tool & Die, Carpenters (not saw dust generators), electricians (not
>> the strip and stuff bunch), plumbers/pipe fitters (more than don't
>> eat
>> the yellow snow), salesmen(not order takers), as well as others, are
>> all positions that are in short supply.
>>
>> Understand Jay Leno is funding some scholarships for automotive
>> skilled trades positions.
>>
>> Long on brawn, short on brain, just won't cut it anymore.
>
> One problem he might be having is that the government of the state of
> Connecticut, despite decades of lip service to creating a climate
> conducive to attracting new business, has nonethelese managed to put
> Connecticut 39th on the list of desirable locations to start a
> business.
>
New York must be 50th.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> In which history book is there a cataloguing of the gold reserves
>>> of
>>> each of these civilizations, and what, exactly, do you believe that
>>> has to do with the Chinese economy?
>>>
>>
>> There are numerous books on the history of gold and the history of
>> money. Visit any decent library and you'll find a couple of them.
>>
>> Gold is actually a fascinating subject that goes back thousands of
>> years. The first gold minted as coins go back to 560 BC in Lydia. In
>> 58 BC, Julius Ceasar fought in Gaul and brought back enough gold to
>> pay his soldiers and pay off all the debt of the Roman Empire. I
>> don't know of a particular cataloguing of each countiries reserves,
>> but it has provided wealth and power for a very long time.
>
> So what? Your contention seems to be that one nation accumulating
> wealth results in the destruction of another. Do you have _one_ case
> in which a nation conquered a superpower by buying it?
>
>> Don't
>> take my work, look it up. The Chinese are slowly accumulating
>> wealth,
>> much coming from the US.
>
> The total value of all publicly tradeded securities is ten times the
> value of all the gold in the world, so what does gold have to do with
> anything?
>
> Yes, the Chinese are accumulating wealth. So what? They should
> manage their economy so that it becomes smaller every year? The
> question is whether they can accumulate US assets faster than the US
> can produce them. Since 1945 the Chinese have managed to accumulate
> 3.5 percent of the outstanding US government debt. In that time the
> US GDP has increased more than 600 percent. So far the Chinese, if,
> for some reason they should want to buy control of the US, are not
> coming at all close.
>
>>> So why are you on about it. You're going to die too, and if you
>>> spend all your time obsessing about it you're not going to have
>>> much
>>> of a life.
>>
>> Obessing? I merely stated a fact. Call it a conversational thing
>> but
>> you prefer to escalate it to something it is not.
>
> Why mention it at all in a woodworking newsgroup?
>
>>> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against
>>> fourth-world
>>> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for
>>> a
>>> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
>>> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable. Which
>>> makes more sense? And if the fourth world decides to cut off our
>>> supply of faucet washers how long do you think it takes to get a
>>> faucet washer production line going?
>>
>> In theory you are right, but we are moving more and more to China
>> without the replacement profitable items here yet.
>
> So Exxon and Monsanto and Pfizer and Intel and Microsoft aren't
> selling "profitable items" and all that income they are reporting is
> the result of cooking the books?
>
>> Perhaps you can
>> move them along? We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled
>> machinists and train them to become casino dealers. You probably
>> saw
>> the ad in The Courant for the Florida casino. Many openings.
>
> I dropped my subscription to the Courant decades ago when the rabbit
> died and I didn't need to to line his cage anymore.
>
> But I have no idea what you believe your point to be--Connecticut is
> an obvious place to advertise for casino workers, considering that
> Connecticut has the largest casino in the Western Hemisphere (or
> perhaps you forgot about that?).
>
> Why retrain machinists as "casino dealers"? Why not train them to be
> doctors or lawyers or accountants or paralegals or nurses or medical
> technicians? If everybody in Connecticut is out of work then who's
> buying all the Hummers I see on the street? And if nobody in
> Connecticut has disposable income then who is frequenting that casino?
>
> Sorry, sounds to me like your machinist job went away and you don't
> have the job-hunting skills to find another job that you like so
> rather than blaming yourself for your own shortcomings instead you're
> trying to scapegoat the Chinese.
>
Didn't the UK at one time refuse to honor it's debt (bonds)?
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4VcRj.601$PY5.324
@trnddc01:
>
> "Hank" wrote:
>
>> I dunno, ask Lew.
>
> What would you like to ask me?
>
> Lew
>
>
>
Don't remember. Was moving off shore.
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote
I spent mine a year or two ago. That and most of the money I'll make in
the next few years.
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.... on What?
K.
"Phil Again" <notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>
>>
>> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>>
>
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
> our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
> Africa?
Why can we just drill offshore, plenty of oil in the ocean bottom? Why can
we built more nuclear plants? Why we haven't built refineries for years?
This political correctness is killing us.
I mean the cost of shipping oil all the way from Saudi Arabia
> makes it even more expensive. We get some from there, but I thought it
> was only when Africa oil distribution has been interrupted.
>
> (the following is soap box comment, you may ignore it if you choose)
> And this way (Canada, Mexico, Africa) the big oil companies owned by
> Friends-of-Bush-and-Cheney can make all those huge profits but pay so
> little taxes. (moved off-shore to hide profits and avoid taxes.)
>
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes, eventually the US will cease to be the predominant power in the
> world. That's life. China has four times our population. If they
> _don't_ eventually become the predominant power in the world then they
> have something _wrong_ with them. But my GOD what a market that's
> going to be!
Maybe the Chinese will start exporting their manufacturing jobs to the
U.S. and it's cheap Mexican labor!
What goes around . . .
Dave in Houston
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> So what's your problem? Or do you just like to whine?
May I introduce to you: Kettle, Pot...Pot, Kettle.
.
.
.
.
.
sorry guys, my filter had a leak.
*fixed*
On Apr 26, 11:08 pm, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> " Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > This stimulus means the treasury prints more paper money which results in
> > more federal debt - now at more than 9 trillion dollars. The Chinese just
> > buy it up, over one trillion dollars so far, $330 billion is US treasury
> > notes according to Wikipedia. This is a strange relationship - your enemy,
> > ideology wise, is also your friend.
>
> How long before China controls the US?
>
> I doubt our politician have ever read a history books and looked at the
> superpowers of the world and what happened to them.
Friend or enemey, makes little or no difference. This whole discussion
has already taken place, with the Japanese as the buy-up villains,
maybe 15 years ago, 20 or so. We don't hear much of that any more.
China may seek to buy up U.S. businesses, but I'm inclined to doubt
they'll succeed. If not, when things get too far along, it's a simple
matter for our goverment to expropriate all foreign-owned businesses
necessary to U.S. defense against terrorism, or whatever other excuse
works that day.
On Apr 27, 11:10=A0pm, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:23:30 -0500, "Curran Copeland"
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >> Has your BIL read the DOE website? =A0<G>
> >Probably not. =A0He is an engineer and knows about everything and is will=
ing
> >to tell you. =A0Does a lot of work out of country mostly Russia.
>
> Take a look:
>
> <http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbb...>=
>
> January shows ~19% from Canada.
Glad to help out... what are friends for?
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> " Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> This stimulus means the treasury prints more paper money which
>> results in more federal debt - now at more than 9 trillion dollars.
>> The Chinese just buy it up, over one trillion dollars so far, $330
>> billion is US treasury notes according to Wikipedia. This is a
>> strange relationship - your enemy, ideology wise, is also your
>> friend.
>
> How long before China controls the US?
>
> I doubt our politician have ever read a history books and looked at
> the superpowers of the world and what happened to them.
I heard the Arabs were going to buy the US. They couldn't. I heard
that the Japanese were going to buy the US. They couldn't. Now
you're saying that China is going to do it. I'm not holding my
breath.
Find out what percentage of the national debt that 330 billion
represents. And how long it took China to accumulate it. And at what
rate the national debt is increasing.
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> How long before China controls the US?
>>>
>>> I doubt our politician have ever read a history books and looked
>>> at
>>> the superpowers of the world and what happened to them.
>>
>> I heard the Arabs were going to buy the US. They couldn't. I
>> heard
>> that the Japanese were going to buy the US. They couldn't. Now
>> you're saying that China is going to do it. I'm not holding my
>> breath.
>>
>> Find out what percentage of the national debt that 330 billion
>> represents. And how long it took China to accumulate it. And at
>> what rate the national debt is increasing.
>>
>> --
>> --
>> --John
>
> And look at the rate that China is taking more of our money and has
> a
> much stronger manufacturing base every ears while ours crumbles. I
> did not say it would happen next week, but what if some despot
> leader
> in China decided to play games, such as putting on an export tax of
> 100% or so, or stopped exports in total to the US or a lot of other
> possibilities? Or if China buys Wal Mart.
Such actions would hurt China far more than they would hurt the US.
Contrary to popular belief the US is not dependent on China for
_anything_.
As for China buying WalMart, that would actually be a very good move
for them, _if_ they could figure out how to keep it working, but I
fail to see how it would be bad for the US.
> Just go back and look at powers of the world in the past such as
> Constantinople, Rome, Venice, England etc. Follow the gold. It may
> not happen in our lifetime, but it can, and probably will, happen
> some day be it China or some other country.
So how does the "gold" figure into any of those you mentioned?
Yes, eventually the US will cease to be the predominant power in the
world. That's life. China has four times our population. If they
_don't_ eventually become the predominant power in the world then they
have something _wrong_ with them. But my GOD what a market that's
going to be!
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> Just go back and look at powers of the world in the past such as
>>> Constantinople, Rome, Venice, England etc. Follow the gold. It
>>> may
>>> not happen in our lifetime, but it can, and probably will, happen
>>> some day be it China or some other country.
>>
>> So how does the "gold" figure into any of those you mentioned?
>
> Gold = wealth = power.
> At one time all the powers mentioned (I forgot Spain) had the most
> gold in the world. Its all in the history books.
In which history book is there a cataloguing of the gold reserves of
each of these civilizations, and what, exactly, do you believe that
has to do with the Chinese economy?
>> Yes, eventually the US will cease to be the predominant power in
>> the
>> world. That's life.
>
> That is what I've been saying.
So why are you on about it. You're going to die too, and if you spend
all your time obsessing about it you're not going to have much of a
life.
>> China has four times our population. If they
>> _don't_ eventually become the predominant power in the world then
>> they have something _wrong_ with them. But my GOD what a market
>> that's going to be!
>
> But as long as we buy from them more than we sell, and keep moving
> our
> manufacturing over there, they will keep gaining on us and have the
> potential to control us.
Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against fourth-world
economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for a
tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
market and concentrate on things that are more profitable. Which
makes more sense? And if the fourth world decides to cut off our
supply of faucet washers how long do you think it takes to get a
faucet washer production line going?
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
evodawg wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> Just go back and look at powers of the world in the past such as
>>>>> Constantinople, Rome, Venice, England etc. Follow the gold. It
>>>>> may
>>>>> not happen in our lifetime, but it can, and probably will,
>>>>> happen
>>>>> some day be it China or some other country.
>>>>
>>>> So how does the "gold" figure into any of those you mentioned?
>>>
>>> Gold = wealth = power.
>>> At one time all the powers mentioned (I forgot Spain) had the most
>>> gold in the world. Its all in the history books.
>>
>> In which history book is there a cataloguing of the gold reserves
>> of
>> each of these civilizations, and what, exactly, do you believe that
>> has to do with the Chinese economy?
>>
>>>> Yes, eventually the US will cease to be the predominant power in
>>>> the
>>>> world. That's life.
>>>
>>> That is what I've been saying.
>>
>> So why are you on about it. You're going to die too, and if you
>> spend all your time obsessing about it you're not going to have
>> much
>> of a life.
>>
>>>> China has four times our population. If they
>>>> _don't_ eventually become the predominant power in the world then
>>>> they have something _wrong_ with them. But my GOD what a market
>>>> that's going to be!
>>>
>>> But as long as we buy from them more than we sell, and keep moving
>>> our
>>> manufacturing over there, they will keep gaining on us and have
>>> the
>>> potential to control us.
>>
>> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against
>> fourth-world
>> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for
>> a
>> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
>> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable. Which
>> makes more sense? And if the fourth world decides to cut off our
>> supply of faucet washers how long do you think it takes to get a
>> faucet washer production line going?
>>
> Do they even use faucet washers anymore? Believe its ceramic ball
> joints now. I just had too.
Well, I just replaced several washers in various leaky faucets--was a
lot easier and cheaper than unsoldering the faucets and replacing them
with ceramic cartridge models.
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> In which history book is there a cataloguing of the gold reserves
>> of
>> each of these civilizations, and what, exactly, do you believe that
>> has to do with the Chinese economy?
>>
>
> There are numerous books on the history of gold and the history of
> money. Visit any decent library and you'll find a couple of them.
>
> Gold is actually a fascinating subject that goes back thousands of
> years. The first gold minted as coins go back to 560 BC in Lydia. In
> 58 BC, Julius Ceasar fought in Gaul and brought back enough gold to
> pay his soldiers and pay off all the debt of the Roman Empire. I
> don't know of a particular cataloguing of each countiries reserves,
> but it has provided wealth and power for a very long time.
So what? Your contention seems to be that one nation accumulating
wealth results in the destruction of another. Do you have _one_ case
in which a nation conquered a superpower by buying it?
> Don't
> take my work, look it up. The Chinese are slowly accumulating
> wealth,
> much coming from the US.
The total value of all publicly tradeded securities is ten times the
value of all the gold in the world, so what does gold have to do with
anything?
Yes, the Chinese are accumulating wealth. So what? They should
manage their economy so that it becomes smaller every year? The
question is whether they can accumulate US assets faster than the US
can produce them. Since 1945 the Chinese have managed to accumulate
3.5 percent of the outstanding US government debt. In that time the
US GDP has increased more than 600 percent. So far the Chinese, if,
for some reason they should want to buy control of the US, are not
coming at all close.
>> So why are you on about it. You're going to die too, and if you
>> spend all your time obsessing about it you're not going to have
>> much
>> of a life.
>
> Obessing? I merely stated a fact. Call it a conversational thing
> but
> you prefer to escalate it to something it is not.
Why mention it at all in a woodworking newsgroup?
>> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against
>> fourth-world
>> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for
>> a
>> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
>> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable. Which
>> makes more sense? And if the fourth world decides to cut off our
>> supply of faucet washers how long do you think it takes to get a
>> faucet washer production line going?
>
> In theory you are right, but we are moving more and more to China
> without the replacement profitable items here yet.
So Exxon and Monsanto and Pfizer and Intel and Microsoft aren't
selling "profitable items" and all that income they are reporting is
the result of cooking the books?
> Perhaps you can
> move them along? We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled
> machinists and train them to become casino dealers. You probably
> saw
> the ad in The Courant for the Florida casino. Many openings.
I dropped my subscription to the Courant decades ago when the rabbit
died and I didn't need to to line his cage anymore.
But I have no idea what you believe your point to be--Connecticut is
an obvious place to advertise for casino workers, considering that
Connecticut has the largest casino in the Western Hemisphere (or
perhaps you forgot about that?).
Why retrain machinists as "casino dealers"? Why not train them to be
doctors or lawyers or accountants or paralegals or nurses or medical
technicians? If everybody in Connecticut is out of work then who's
buying all the Hummers I see on the street? And if nobody in
Connecticut has disposable income then who is frequenting that casino?
Sorry, sounds to me like your machinist job went away and you don't
have the job-hunting skills to find another job that you like so
rather than blaming yourself for your own shortcomings instead you're
trying to scapegoat the Chinese.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Edwin Pawlowski"
>
>> We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled machinists and
>> train them to become casino dealers. You probably saw the ad in
>> The
>> Courant for the Florida casino. Many openings.
>
>
> Actually, according to the "head hunters", there is a real shortage
> of
> "skilled trades" personal.
>
> Tool & Die, Carpenters (not saw dust generators), electricians (not
> the strip and stuff bunch), plumbers/pipe fitters (more than don't
> eat
> the yellow snow), salesmen(not order takers), as well as others, are
> all positions that are in short supply.
>
> Understand Jay Leno is funding some scholarships for automotive
> skilled trades positions.
>
> Long on brawn, short on brain, just won't cut it anymore.
One problem he might be having is that the government of the state of
Connecticut, despite decades of lip service to creating a climate
conducive to attracting new business, has nonethelese managed to put
Connecticut 39th on the list of desirable locations to start a
business.
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Why retrain machinists as "casino dealers"? Why not train them to
>> be
>> doctors or lawyers or accountants or paralegals or nurses or
>> medical
>> technicians? If everybody in Connecticut is out of work then who's
>> buying all the Hummers I see on the street? And if nobody in
>> Connecticut has disposable income then who is frequenting that
>> casino?
>
> Why not ask the guys that have been laid off from Electric Boat?
> The
> skilled welders. ironworkers, etc. that went from $30 an hour to $5
> casino dealers. Or from many of the industries that have closed and
> moved jobs to Mexico and China. Maybe one of them can be your
> doctor.
So let's see, those workers, who were making twice the national
average for machinists, got laid off because the US government is now
buying nuclear submarines from Mexico and China?
As for "casino dealers", how about they go for the 89 percent of jobs
in casinos that pay _more_ than "dealer", which is one of the lowest
paid jobs in that particular industry (it pays about half as much as
"locker room attendant")? Mean hourly for casino workers is about
$12.10, a pay cut from the $16.60 mean for machinists but not that
much of one.
You're the one who's on about retraining as "casino dealers" instead
of for some other occupation, like "casino dealer" is the _only_
occupation that exists. What's _wrong_ with a machinist becoming a
doctor? Do you think that they're too _stupid_ or something?
>> Sorry, sounds to me like your machinist job went away and you don't
>> have the job-hunting skills to find another job that you like so
>> rather than blaming yourself for your own shortcomings instead
>> you're
>> trying to scapegoat the Chinese.
>
> Never was a machinist. I'm still at the same job for the past 19
> years and plan to stay another 19 or so. I'm very well paid and
> like
> my work so I have no plans to retire, thank you.
So what's your problem? Or do you just like to whine?
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" Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> This stimulus means the treasury prints more paper money which results in
> more federal debt - now at more than 9 trillion dollars. The Chinese just
> buy it up, over one trillion dollars so far, $330 billion is US treasury
> notes according to Wikipedia. This is a strange relationship - your enemy,
> ideology wise, is also your friend.
How long before China controls the US?
I doubt our politician have ever read a history books and looked at the
superpowers of the world and what happened to them.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> So what's your problem? Or do you just like to whine?
Nah, just like to get you cranked up. Worked again.
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:44:48 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> However, the Mid-East _region_ supplies more oil to the US than
>> Canada:
>
>I'm sure the REST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD supplies more oil to the US than
>Canada.
>
>Have a nice life.
Dave,
I'm not picking on you. The Mid East region is quite different from
the rest of the world, because the Mid East hates up.
Sorry if I fired you up.
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"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> My kids recieved their education at Catholic schools in a large
> metropolitan area.
>
> IMHO, didn't get fair value for the tuiton paid when compared to what I
> received.
>
> Lew
Ranking may have changed, but when we lived in Philly, the Catholic school
systems was ranked in the top 5 in the country while the public school
systems was ranked in the bottom five. When we moved we put our kids in the
Catholic school here and realized it was a mixtake. The public shoool was
much better, but still not nearly as good as what we had in Philly.
The current trend is to just throm money at it rather than try to truly fix
the problems. Teachers are not allowed to discipline, parents mostly won't
and the kids don't give a damn.
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:13:46 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>According to brother in law who designs pipe line to move crude oil. Only
>about 10% of US oil comes from Mid East, 60% come from Canada, the rest
>coming from North/South/Central America (exculding Canada) and Africa.
Has your BIL read the DOE website? <G>
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:36:38 -0500, Phil Again
<notwantspam_@_1-2-3-4-5.nospam> wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:04:18 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>
>>
>> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
>>
>
>Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't we in the USA get most of
>our crude oil from Canada, Mexico, South America, and west coast of
>Africa?
ummm... No.
> I mean the cost of shipping oil all the way from Saudi Arabia
>makes it even more expensive.
We get a lot of mid-east oil.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> "B A R R Y" wrote:
>
>> Remember "Shop Class?" <G>
>
> Actually, no.
>
> Back in those days "shop" wasn't considered a prereq for engineering
> school; however, Latin was.
>
> Think I would have rather had the "shop" classes than Latin.
Didn't have to take Latin, but I really wished I'd have taken drafting in
High School. That EDEE class was a killer for somebody who hadn't done
orthographic projections before.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:23:20 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:
>
>
>Canada is the largest single energy supplier to the US, but we ship you
>more natural gas than oil.
>
>However, in 2006 we exported more crude than natural gas (in dollar
>value, not energy units). In '05 we exported $16 billion of crude and
>$32 billion of NG. In '07 it was $25B crude, $24B NG.
Canada provides lots of oil to the US.
However, the Mid-East _region_ supplies more oil to the US than
Canada:
<http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_epc0_im0_mbbl_a.htm>
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Just go back and look at powers of the world in the past such as
>> Constantinople, Rome, Venice, England etc. Follow the gold. It may
>> not happen in our lifetime, but it can, and probably will, happen
>> some day be it China or some other country.
>
> So how does the "gold" figure into any of those you mentioned?
Gold = wealth = power.
At one time all the powers mentioned (I forgot Spain) had the most gold in
the world. Its all in the history books.
>
> Yes, eventually the US will cease to be the predominant power in the
> world. That's life.
That is what I've been saying.
> China has four times our population. If they
> _don't_ eventually become the predominant power in the world then they
> have something _wrong_ with them. But my GOD what a market that's
> going to be!
But as long as we buy from them more than we sell, and keep moving our
manufacturing over there, they will keep gaining on us and have the
potential to control us.
J. Clarke wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> Just go back and look at powers of the world in the past such as
>>>> Constantinople, Rome, Venice, England etc. Follow the gold. It
>>>> may
>>>> not happen in our lifetime, but it can, and probably will, happen
>>>> some day be it China or some other country.
>>>
>>> So how does the "gold" figure into any of those you mentioned?
>>
>> Gold = wealth = power.
>> At one time all the powers mentioned (I forgot Spain) had the most
>> gold in the world. Its all in the history books.
>
> In which history book is there a cataloguing of the gold reserves of
> each of these civilizations, and what, exactly, do you believe that
> has to do with the Chinese economy?
>
>>> Yes, eventually the US will cease to be the predominant power in
>>> the
>>> world. That's life.
>>
>> That is what I've been saying.
>
> So why are you on about it. You're going to die too, and if you spend
> all your time obsessing about it you're not going to have much of a
> life.
>
>>> China has four times our population. If they
>>> _don't_ eventually become the predominant power in the world then
>>> they have something _wrong_ with them. But my GOD what a market
>>> that's going to be!
>>
>> But as long as we buy from them more than we sell, and keep moving
>> our
>> manufacturing over there, they will keep gaining on us and have the
>> potential to control us.
>
> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against fourth-world
> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for a
> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable. Which
> makes more sense? And if the fourth world decides to cut off our
> supply of faucet washers how long do you think it takes to get a
> faucet washer production line going?
>
Do they even use faucet washers anymore? Believe its ceramic ball joints
now. I just had too.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:13:46 -0500, "sweet sawdust"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>According to brother in law who designs pipe line to move crude oil. Only
>>about 10% of US oil comes from Mid East, 60% come from Canada, the rest
>>coming from North/South/Central America (exculding Canada) and Africa.
>
> Has your BIL read the DOE website? <G>
Probably not. He is an engineer and knows about everything and is willing
to tell you. Does a lot of work out of country mostly Russia.
>
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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:23:30 -0500, "Curran Copeland"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> Has your BIL read the DOE website? <G>
>Probably not. He is an engineer and knows about everything and is willing
>to tell you. Does a lot of work out of country mostly Russia.
Take a look:
<http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm>
January shows ~19% from Canada.
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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:47:16 -0700, " Frank"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Why can
>we built more nuclear plants?
I hear ya'!
Copy exactly!
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Enjoy
>
> Lew
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> How to use Your IRS Rebate check...
>
> As you may have heard, each of us will be getting a tax rebate check
> to stimulate the economy.
>
> If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China.
>
> If we spend it on gasoline it will go to the Arabs.
> If we purchase a computer it will go to India.
>
> If we purchase fruits and vegetables it will go to Mexico, Honduras,
> and Guatemala.
>
> If we purchase a good car it will go to Japan.
>
> If we purchase useless stuff it will go to Taiwan and none of it will
> help the American economy.
>
> We need to keep that money here in America.
>
> The only way to kee p that money here at home is to spend it at
>
> YARD SALES,
>
> since those are the only businesses still in the US!
That's freakin depressing. But freakin true. But I'm getting more and more
customers with money that want me to build them furniture. Guess they're
tired of throwing furniture out on the curb and sending money to china.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
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"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:250420081849278956%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca...
> Dave, why did that happen in your reply? Was it something you did, or
> is it something OE does?
I dunno; As is my custom, I hit the "REPLY GROUP" button assuming that
the subject line would remain that which it was when I opened the post [to
which I was responding]. Truth to tell, I never considered whether the post
[to which I'm responding] was originally O/T or not.
Good question, Dave. I'll surely pay more contention in the future. I
have to get to the bottom of this!
Dave in Houston
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> In which history book is there a cataloguing of the gold reserves of
> each of these civilizations, and what, exactly, do you believe that
> has to do with the Chinese economy?
>
There are numerous books on the history of gold and the history of money.
Visit any decent library and you'll find a couple of them.
Gold is actually a fascinating subject that goes back thousands of years.
The first gold minted as coins go back to 560 BC in Lydia. In 58 BC, Julius
Ceasar fought in Gaul and brought back enough gold to pay his soldiers and
pay off all the debt of the Roman Empire. I don't know of a particular
cataloguing of each countiries reserves, but it has provided wealth and
power for a very long time. Don't take my work, look it up. The Chinese are
slowly accumulating wealth, much coming from the US.
>
> So why are you on about it. You're going to die too, and if you spend
> all your time obsessing about it you're not going to have much of a
> life.
Obessing? I merely stated a fact. Call it a conversational thing but you
prefer to escalate it to something it is not.
>
> Look, the US can struggle to sell faucet washers against fourth-world
> economies that can make faucet washers that are as good as ours for a
> tenth the price, or we can just say to Hell with the faucet washer
> market and concentrate on things that are more profitable. Which
> makes more sense? And if the fourth world decides to cut off our
> supply of faucet washers how long do you think it takes to get a
> faucet washer production line going?
In theory you are right, but we are moving more and more to China without
the replacement profitable items here yet. Perhaps you can move them along?
We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled machinists and train
them to become casino dealers. You probably saw the ad in The Courant for
the Florida casino. Many openings.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Edwin Pawlowski"
>
>> We have to concentrate more on taking those skilled machinists and
>> train them to become casino dealers. You probably saw the ad in The
>> Courant for the Florida casino. Many openings.
>
>
> Actually, according to the "head hunters", there is a real shortage of
> "skilled trades" personal.
>
> Tool & Die, Carpenters (not saw dust generators), electricians (not
> the strip and stuff bunch), plumbers/pipe fitters (more than don't eat
> the yellow snow), salesmen(not order takers), as well as others, are
> all positions that are in short supply.
>
> Understand Jay Leno is funding some scholarships for automotive
> skilled trades positions.
>
> Long on brawn, short on brain, just won't cut it anymore.
Remember "Shop Class?" <G>