I am going to build a desk for the SR a-la Pottery Barns' new line and find
myself in need of knowldge on ebonizing techniques. I've done some research
and found a few ways to go about it, but none of them seem to fit my
"one-bucket of slop" desires. I really don't want to mix vinegar and steel
wool as the first of eleven steps, so I was hoping there was some way out
there to turn white pine and birch plywood (from the BORG) black, aside from
painting it. Minwax has a black stain that is *almost* black, but not
quite.
Is there a product out there that I can use to produce a black color and
then finish off with a satin "cover" for protection? I'd like to be able to
see some grain, but not necessarily all of it.
Thanks in advance for your wisdom.
---Hedley
Remember to Binge in Moderation
PS - Before you ask, it's pine and birch because it's inexpensive (<200$ for
the whole shebang). I don't know how long said desk is going to be used in
it's intended room, and there's no way I'm forking out premium wood prices
for a maybe.
Hedley wrote:
> >
> Is there a product out there that I can use to produce a black color and
> then finish off with a satin "cover" for protection? I'd like to be able to
> see some grain, but not necessarily all of it.
While I have never tried it, I have heard that India Ink does a nice
job as a ebonizer. India ink is normally available in craft stores and
is used for caligraphy. I dont know how much you would need, but it
sounds like you want to do a large area and it might be a bit expensive
that way.
Ken
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:49:12 GMT, "Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>In ALL these answers the key operative word is DYE.
Actually it's _stain_. Although modern ones will be a dye stain,
there's no real reason why a non-dye pigment like indian ink can't be
used instead. The key factor is penetration (stain vs. glaze) rather
than what makes the colour (dye vs pigment).
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:29:53 -0500, "Hedley" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I really don't want to mix vinegar and steel wool
If you're too lazy to do that little, then I'm too lazy to post anything
more helpful. 8-(
Andy,
Thank you.
That's exactly what I meant - just 'forgot' to add the phrasing. 'Brain
Fart'? Indication of 'Gezzerdom' ? Brain working faster than fingers? {Aye,
Matey. Ya git more sloppy n' yeel be steppin' on yer cutlass of a mornin'
! }
Regards & Thanks,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:49:12 GMT, "Ron Magen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In ALL these answers the key operative word is DYE.
>
>SNIP
> The key factor is penetration (stain vs. glaze) rather
> than what makes the colour (dye vs pigment).
"Hedley" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Is there a product out there that I can use to produce a black color
> and then finish off with a satin "cover" for protection? I'd like to
> be able to see some grain, but not necessarily all of it.
>
> Thanks in advance for your wisdom.
>
> ---Hedley
> Remember to Binge in Moderation
>
> PS - Before you ask, it's pine and birch because it's inexpensive
> (<200$ for the whole shebang). I don't know how long said desk is
> going to be used in it's intended room, and there's no way I'm forking
> out premium wood prices for a maybe.
>
>
Behlen's Solarlux, a very black dye. Maybe $15/pt, for enough to do three
desks or so. You'll want a top coat(s), nullifying the 1-bucket approach
somewhat.
By the way, the reason to use better woods on the desk is that your major
investment in the desk will be in the time and craftsmanship. 'Useable
prototypes' have a way of hanging around, sometimes embarrassingly so, for
a very long time. Soft maple is modestly priced, workable, and takes dyes
well. Maple ply is marginally more expensive, in similar grades, to birch.
Patriarch
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FWIW . . .
In ALL these answers the key operative word is DYE. At least for the first
{and maybe second} application. 'Water Soluble type should go deep into the
fibers {relatively speaking}. Additional coats of a 'glossy' stain, etc.
could then be applied for 'visual depth'.
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:17:29 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >india ink. it's cheap if bought as calligraphy supplies at a chinese
> >grocer.
>
> I've never seen indian ink anywhere near a Chinese grocer. Chinese inks
> are quite differerent. They're both coloured with lamp black (soot from
> burning turpentine or white spirit) but the adhesive bases are
> different. For Chinese inks it's a water-soluble base like gum arabic,
> for indian inks it's a mixture of water soluble gums and shellac. Once
> dried, indian inks are no longer water soluble.
>
> In practice, both of these inks will tend to sit on the surface of
> timber and not soak in at all. They thus give a good solid colour, but
> it has poor wear resistance. For a desk then you'll be better off with a
> commercial stain, formulated to penetrate. IMHE these are also cheaper
> than leather dyes, because a small quanitity to a woodworker would be a
> large quantity to a leatherworker and so the pricing is much cheaper by
> volume from woodworking sources than leatherworking sources.
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:17:29 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>india ink. it's cheap if bought as calligraphy supplies at a chinese
>grocer.
I've never seen indian ink anywhere near a Chinese grocer. Chinese inks
are quite differerent. They're both coloured with lamp black (soot from
burning turpentine or white spirit) but the adhesive bases are
different. For Chinese inks it's a water-soluble base like gum arabic,
for indian inks it's a mixture of water soluble gums and shellac. Once
dried, indian inks are no longer water soluble.
In practice, both of these inks will tend to sit on the surface of
timber and not soak in at all. They thus give a good solid colour, but
it has poor wear resistance. For a desk then you'll be better off with a
commercial stain, formulated to penetrate. IMHE these are also cheaper
than leather dyes, because a small quanitity to a woodworker would be a
large quantity to a leatherworker and so the pricing is much cheaper by
volume from woodworking sources than leatherworking sources.
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:29:53 -0500, "Hedley"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am going to build a desk for the SR a-la Pottery Barns' new line and find
>myself in need of knowldge on ebonizing techniques. I've done some research
>and found a few ways to go about it, but none of them seem to fit my
>"one-bucket of slop" desires. I really don't want to mix vinegar and steel
>wool as the first of eleven steps, so I was hoping there was some way out
>there to turn white pine and birch plywood (from the BORG) black, aside from
>painting it. Minwax has a black stain that is *almost* black, but not
>quite.
>
>Is there a product out there that I can use to produce a black color and
>then finish off with a satin "cover" for protection? I'd like to be able to
>see some grain, but not necessarily all of it.
>
>Thanks in advance for your wisdom.
>
>---Hedley
> Remember to Binge in Moderation
>
>PS - Before you ask, it's pine and birch because it's inexpensive (<200$ for
>the whole shebang). I don't know how long said desk is going to be used in
>it's intended room, and there's no way I'm forking out premium wood prices
>for a maybe.
>
india ink. it's cheap if bought as calligraphy supplies at a chinese
grocer.