Hello,
I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the years,
usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been unable to go back
far enough find the thread where this became a thing. I take it that it's
not a reference to a fungus afflicting oaks, nor the concrete staining
abilities of the oaks' reproductive assets.
Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
Scott in Dunedin
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> ScottWW wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
>> assets.
>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>
>> Scott in Dunedin
>
> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
> iron/steel and causes a black stain.
>
>
I couldn't find anything close to the thread, Google wasted my time by not
confining my search to Usenet and Usenet archives even though I told it to.
When I went to groups.google.com, all the stuff they were returning was 4-6
years old. :-( Their search seems to be more and more "it contains an A,
so we'll return everthing that has an "A" in it! MOAR RESULTS!"
Anyway, not long ago there was a thread that was going the way most wRECk
threads go... All over the place. Some were talking about cars and someone
mentioned oak rust and its effects were "discovered" and "enhanced" there.
Puckdropper
On 4/11/2016 8:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 4/11/2016 10:12 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> ScottWW wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
>>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
>>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
>>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
>>> assets.
>>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>>
>>> Scott in Dunedin
>>
>> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
>> iron/steel and causes a black stain.
>>
>>
> No oakrust here, white oak The lag is actually in better shape in the
> wood, compared to the atmosphere.
>
> http://imgur.com/mkRwXBg
>
I was on the binaries when oak rust came about I presume, so I wasn't on
this list.
I always figured it was an inside joke.
it always seemed to be mentioned when something was bs.
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On 4/11/2016 7:42 AM, ScottWW wrote:
> Hello,
> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way.
Due to the above adjectives required, -MIKE- is the resident expert on
oak rust.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 4/11/2016 10:12 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> > ScottWW wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
> >> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
> >> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
> >> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
> >> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
> >> assets.
> >> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
> >>
> >> Scott in Dunedin
> >
> > It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
> > iron/steel and causes a black stain.
> >
> >
> No oakrust here, white oak The lag is actually in better shape in the
> wood, compared to the atmosphere.
>
> http://imgur.com/mkRwXBg
Did it get wet? If not then why would it rust?
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 4/15/2016 8:19 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 4/11/2016 10:12 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> >>> ScottWW wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
> >>>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
> >>>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
> >>>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
> >>>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
> >>>> assets.
> >>>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott in Dunedin
> >>>
> >>> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
> >>> iron/steel and causes a black stain.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> No oakrust here, white oak The lag is actually in better shape in the
> >> wood, compared to the atmosphere.
> >>
> >> http://imgur.com/mkRwXBg
> >
> > Did it get wet? If not then why would it rust?
> >
>
> Did what get wet? the part of the lag outside the wood?
> I assume it was just humidity.
>
> If you are talking in the wood, that's in response to the statement that
> tannic acid in oak deteriorates ferrous metal. Not sure it's always true.
Need moisture. In Death Valley, not an issue. In a beach house in
Florida it's a different story.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>On 4/14/2016 2:55 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 10:11:15 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
>>
>>> like most words there are multiple meanings
>>> in plant context rust is a fungus
>>
>> He made slight reference to various meanings. Did you not read his whole post?
>>
>>>
>>> there is a lot of info about including real research
>>
>> About which topic/meaning... relative to what he asked?
>>
>>>
>>> what is your application and what is your concern
>>
>> Words of wisdom, in or out of context, you should consider for yourself. You missed consideration and courtesy, that several have asked for, relative to punctuation in your posts. So, what is your concern, for replying to this and similar threads?
>>
>> Sonny
>>
>
>Seems trying to be helpful and suggest EC change to be a better
>participant in this group falls on deaf ears. He was either spoiled as
>a child or has no self respect.
Given its handle, it is more likely that EC is a crank/troll pushing
the soi disant "electric universe" theory.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Electric_Universe
>"Sonny" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 7:40:41 AM UTC-5, ScottWW wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>> years,
>> usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been unable to go
>> back
>> far enough find the thread where this became a thing. I take it that
>> it's
>> not a reference to a fungus afflicting oaks, nor the concrete staining
>> abilities of the oaks' reproductive assets.
>>
>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>
>> Scott in Dunedin
>
>Let's see if this (search) link works:
>https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/rec.woodworking/oak$20rust
>
>Sonny
Thanks! That's what I needed.
Scott in Dunedin
On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 7:40:41 AM UTC-5, ScottWW wrote:
> Hello,
> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the years,
> usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been unable to go back
> far enough find the thread where this became a thing. I take it that it's
> not a reference to a fungus afflicting oaks, nor the concrete staining
> abilities of the oaks' reproductive assets.
>
> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>
> Scott in Dunedin
Let's see if this (search) link works:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/rec.woodworking/oak$20rust
Sonny
On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 10:11:15 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
> like most words there are multiple meanings
> in plant context rust is a fungus
He made slight reference to various meanings. Did you not read his whole post?
>
> there is a lot of info about including real research
About which topic/meaning... relative to what he asked?
>
> what is your application and what is your concern
Words of wisdom, in or out of context, you should consider for yourself. You missed consideration and courtesy, that several have asked for, relative to punctuation in your posts. So, what is your concern, for replying to this and similar threads?
Sonny
On 4/15/2016 8:19 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> On 4/11/2016 10:12 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> ScottWW wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>>>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
>>>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
>>>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
>>>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
>>>> assets.
>>>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>>>
>>>> Scott in Dunedin
>>>
>>> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
>>> iron/steel and causes a black stain.
>>>
>>>
>> No oakrust here, white oak The lag is actually in better shape in the
>> wood, compared to the atmosphere.
>>
>> http://imgur.com/mkRwXBg
>
> Did it get wet? If not then why would it rust?
>
Did what get wet? the part of the lag outside the wood?
I assume it was just humidity.
If you are talking in the wood, that's in response to the statement that
tannic acid in oak deteriorates ferrous metal. Not sure it's always true.
--
Jeff
On 4/15/2016 7:19 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> On 4/11/2016 10:12 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> ScottWW wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>>>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
>>>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
>>>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
>>>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
>>>> assets.
>>>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>>>
>>>> Scott in Dunedin
>>>
>>> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
>>> iron/steel and causes a black stain.
>>>
>>>
>> No oakrust here, white oak The lag is actually in better shape in the
>> wood, compared to the atmosphere.
>>
>> http://imgur.com/mkRwXBg
>
> Did it get wet? If not then why would it rust?
>
99 % of all wood is not 100% dry. 6~8% moisture content will rust screws.
On 4/14/2016 2:55 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 10:11:15 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
>
>> like most words there are multiple meanings
>> in plant context rust is a fungus
>
> He made slight reference to various meanings. Did you not read his whole post?
>
>>
>> there is a lot of info about including real research
>
> About which topic/meaning... relative to what he asked?
>
>>
>> what is your application and what is your concern
>
> Words of wisdom, in or out of context, you should consider for yourself. You missed consideration and courtesy, that several have asked for, relative to punctuation in your posts. So, what is your concern, for replying to this and similar threads?
>
> Sonny
>
Seems trying to be helpful and suggest EC change to be a better
participant in this group falls on deaf ears. He was either spoiled as
a child or has no self respect.
ScottWW wrote:
> Hello,
> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
> assets.
> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>
> Scott in Dunedin
It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
iron/steel and causes a black stain.
On 4/11/16 3:53 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/11/2016 7:42 AM, ScottWW wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way.
>
> Due to the above adjectives required, -MIKE- is the resident expert on
> oak rust.
>
LOL!
I'm caring for my 90 year-old father-in-law who's staying with us for a
while or I'd jump all over this!
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Puckdropper wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> ScottWW wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over
>>> the years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
>>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
>>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
>>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
>>> assets.
>>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>>
>>> Scott in Dunedin
>>
>> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak
>> deteriorates iron/steel and causes a black stain.
>>
>>
>
> I couldn't find anything close to the thread, Google wasted my time
> by not confining my search to Usenet and Usenet archives even though
> I told it to. When I went to groups.google.com, all the stuff they
> were returning was 4-6 years old. :-( Their search seems to be more
> and more "it contains an A, so we'll return everthing that has an "A"
> in it! MOAR RESULTS!"
>
> Anyway, not long ago there was a thread that was going the way most
> wRECk threads go... All over the place. Some were talking about cars
> and someone mentioned oak rust and its effects were "discovered" and
> "enhanced" there.
I didn't bother to look. Since he mentioned fasteners I figured he was
talking about their deterioration rather than the oak disease.
On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 08:42:31 -0400
"ScottWW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
like most words there are multiple meanings
in plant context rust is a fungus
there is a lot of info about including real research
what is your application and what is your concern
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 22:12:23 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 4/15/2016 8:19 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2016 10:12 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> ScottWW wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>>>>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
>>>>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
>>>>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
>>>>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
>>>>> assets.
>>>>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott in Dunedin
>>>>
>>>> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
>>>> iron/steel and causes a black stain.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No oakrust here, white oak The lag is actually in better shape in the
>>> wood, compared to the atmosphere.
>>>
>>> http://imgur.com/mkRwXBg
>>
>> Did it get wet? If not then why would it rust?
>>
>
>Did what get wet? the part of the lag outside the wood?
>I assume it was just humidity.
I presume he was talking about water "rusting" the wood, but it was
Oak, not Ironwood. ;-)
>If you are talking in the wood, that's in response to the statement that
>tannic acid in oak deteriorates ferrous metal. Not sure it's always true.
That it always rusts ferrous metal? Perhaps there is some condition
where it won't but IME, iron and carbon steel are no-nos in Red Oak. I
wouldn't use Red Oak anywhere there is water (made that mistake) but
that's a somewhat different subject.
On 4/11/2016 10:12 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> ScottWW wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I've seen the term "oak rust" on this ng more than few times over the
>> years, usually used in a facetious or sarcastic way. I have been
>> unable to go back far enough find the thread where this became a
>> thing. I take it that it's not a reference to a fungus afflicting
>> oaks, nor the concrete staining abilities of the oaks' reproductive
>> assets.
>> Is there a fallacy that oak dissolves fasteners?
>>
>> Scott in Dunedin
>
> It's not a fallcy, its a fact. The tannic acid in the oak deteriorates
> iron/steel and causes a black stain.
>
>
No oakrust here, white oak The lag is actually in better shape in the
wood, compared to the atmosphere.
http://imgur.com/mkRwXBg
--
Jeff
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:40:37 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 4/14/2016 2:55 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 10:11:15 AM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
>>
>>> like most words there are multiple meanings
>>> in plant context rust is a fungus
>>
>> He made slight reference to various meanings. Did you not read his whole post?
>>
>>>
>>> there is a lot of info about including real research
>>
>> About which topic/meaning... relative to what he asked?
>>
>>>
>>> what is your application and what is your concern
>>
>> Words of wisdom, in or out of context, you should consider for yourself. You missed consideration and courtesy, that several have asked for, relative to punctuation in your posts. So, what is your concern, for replying to this and similar threads?
>>
>> Sonny
>>
>
>Seems trying to be helpful and suggest EC change to be a better
>participant in this group falls on deaf ears. He was either spoiled as
>a child or has no self respect.
Certainly no respect for anyone else.