I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
operations. In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough
to be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic
film that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show
the container.
The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and
ends up having to be scraped off.
So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
that actually works for this purpose?
On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:15:43 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
[...snip...]
>So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
>that actually works for this purpose?
I've had good results with this tape from Lee Valley.
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=49224&cat=1,110,43466
Not what you asked for but, to be sure, & in my view, tape is about
the worst clamp in Routerdom.
A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
rotational CW & CCW).
Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up & down.
Expect your work to runamok with tape.
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On Aug 20, 6:15=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
> tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
> operations. =A0In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough
> to be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic
> film that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show
> the container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and
> ends up having to be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
On Aug 21, 7:52=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> FWIW, I sent 3M an email and they told me to call them as they needed
> more information about the application, which surprised me. =A0This is so
> commonplace an application that I would have expected them to have the
> answer write off the bat. =A0Maybe nobody has ever suggested it to them
> before.
Maybe they actually care about customer service. They could, of
course, tell you to use one particular tape, but they have so many of
them that there might be a better tape than that one for your use.
It's also possible - and this is just a guess based on your writing in
this group - that they didn't understand what the hell you were
talking about. :)
R
Maybe safety! Lose a workpiece under a lot of mechaical stress and
what have you gained?
Toggles, hi-friction surfaces, stops, fences and ordinary clamps keep
the work under control, not tape.
And watch for those spontaneous twists in the 3 rotational axes; they
come quite unexpectedly.
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On Aug 20, 9:26=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/20/2010 9:51 AM, routerman wrote:
>
> > Not what you asked for but, to be sure,& =A0in my view, tape is about
> > the worst clamp in Routerdom.
> > A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
> > rotational CW& =A0CCW).
> > Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
> > right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up& =A0down.
> > Expect your work to runamok with tape.
>
> If you have a better way, please tell us. =A0If you don't, then what do
> you think your comment contributes?
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
>tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
>operations. In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough to
>be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic film
>that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show the
>container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and ends
> up having to be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
We used a ton of 3M carpet tape in the convention industry. Tons and tons.
It worked better if you hammered on it with a rubber hammer to get it stick
better. I always said it would be the perfect binding for someone you
wanted to torture, or a willing female ............ White double face.
Steve
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
>tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
>operations. In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough to
>be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic film
>that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show the
>container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and ends
> up having to be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
>
I have used this for several years without any problems:
http://www.ctitape.com/clothctape_ad.pdf
I still have plenty left from a 75' roll.
I learned early on that it's not a good practice to leave it in place for
weeks before trying to remove it.
Max
On 2010-08-21 08:49:11 -0400, RicodJour <[email protected]> said:
> Maybe they actually care about customer service. They could, of
> course, tell you to use one particular tape, but they have so many of
> them that there might be a better tape than that one for your use.
Naw, somebody just discovered a possible "line extension" -- Marketing
will be all over this on Monday!
On Aug 20, 9:51=A0am, routerman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Not what you asked for but, to be sure, & in my view, tape is about
> the worst clamp in Routerdom.
> A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
> rotational CW & CCW).
> Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
> right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up & down.
> Expect your work to runamok with tape.
That's not my experience at all. I mean like 180 degrees opposite of
my experience...which does not mean you're wrong, just that you've had
some very different experiences. I've had problems with shitty tape
and questionable surfaces, but not with good tape and reasonable
surfaces.
I think you mean three degrees of freedom - unless you've discovered
those theoretical dimensions the physicists have been looking
for. ;) There's up/down, left/right and back/forth. All movement is
limited to a combination of those three.
R
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
Yeah, the tape concept seems really great and convenient. I tried it a
few times but was never comfortable with it. I have about 30 or 40
toggle clamps and pretty much have it down to a science to add a
toggle or two to any template in a matter of minutes. I harvest them
off of older jigs when I run low.
Admittedly, any template I am making is usually going to be useful for
100's of parts over it's life. One-off runs I usually build some other
way, but even if I was making 5 of something I just have become used
to adding a toggle clamp.
Keep an eye out at Harbor Freight. They don't keep the good ones in
stock very well (medium sized, clamp down style) but they are cheap
(less than 1/2 of woodcraft\rockler) and I haven't had a bad one yet.
On Aug 20, 9:15=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
> tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
> operations. =A0In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough
> to be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic
> film that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show
> the container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and
> ends up having to be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
I use 3M poster tape. A little thicker than the cellophane type and
is 3/4" wide. Sticks like anything but is easily peeled off when you
want. It is about $3 a roll at Wally World. You can find it in the
office supply area.
Allen
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Does it come apart though?
>
> And you have to be careful with tape and willing females--use medical tape
> or test well ahead of time--some adhesives cause unpleasant reactions (as
> to how I know that, I could tell you but certain individuals would flog
> me).
This stuff is a booger to get apart.
Steve
J. Clarke wrote:
> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with
> "carpet tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for
> various other operations. In some videos a tape is shown that is
> wide, thick enough to be a little bit conformable, and apparently a
> solid piece of plastic film that peels off in one piece, but they
> never give specifics or show the container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and
> ends up having to be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the
> stuff that actually works for this purpose?
I can't tell you the brand but what you need looks like cellophane tape with
sticky on both sides.
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routerman wrote:
> Not what you asked for but, to be sure, & in my view, tape is about
> the worst clamp in Routerdom.
> A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
> rotational CW & CCW).
> Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
> right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up & down.
> Expect your work to runamok with tape.
> *******************************************************************************
Never has, don't even have to tape the entire piece, just a few tabs holds
it nice and solid.
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On Aug 20, 9:15=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
> tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
> operations. =A0In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough
> to be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic
> film that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show
> the container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and
> ends up having to be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
I've found that if it says 3M on the package, and it's a tape product,
it's a good one. Carpet tape is a two-edged sword for some people as
they have problems removing it, others don't.
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=3D6986
R
On Aug 20, 8:15=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
> tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
> operations. ...
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
I don't (usually) use big pieces of carpet tape, I use Ace Hardware
"Mounting Tabs" part # 90969. Sixty pieces of 1/2" x 3/4" double-
sided tape (about 1/16" thick) per package. It's foam tape, but I
find that this is easier to separate when I'm done. I (usually) cut
the pieces in half and scatter them out across the template.
RicodJour wrote:
> On Aug 20, 9:51 am, routerman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Not what you asked for but, to be sure, & in my view, tape is about
>> the worst clamp in Routerdom.
>> A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
>> rotational CW & CCW).
>> Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
>> right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up & down.
>> Expect your work to runamok with tape.
>
> That's not my experience at all. I mean like 180 degrees opposite of
> my experience...which does not mean you're wrong, just that you've had
> some very different experiences. I've had problems with shitty tape
> and questionable surfaces, but not with good tape and reasonable
> surfaces.
>
> I think you mean three degrees of freedom - unless you've discovered
> those theoretical dimensions the physicists have been looking
> for. ;) There's up/down, left/right and back/forth. All movement is
> limited to a combination of those three.
...
Plus rotation, but for a flat workpiece on a plane surface that's
limited to rotation about the normal axis.
I agree that for the average work double-sided tape works well for
templates, etc. I've used mostly 3M brand; the actual product number I
don't know otomh, but it isn't what is marked as carpet tape; that's an
entirely different application/product ime; normally is heat-set not
just adhesive for any I've used.
For just holding work in place for edge routing (not templates) I find
the foam pads quite satisfactory; old 1/2" carpet pad that can be picked
up for nothing works and a single roll will likely be a
multiple-lifetime supply.
$0.02, etc., etc., etc., ...
--
On 8/20/2010 9:51 AM, routerman wrote:
> Not what you asked for but, to be sure,& in my view, tape is about
> the worst clamp in Routerdom.
> A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
> rotational CW& CCW).
> Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
> right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up& down.
> Expect your work to runamok with tape.
If you have a better way, please tell us. If you don't, then what do
you think your comment contributes?
On 8/20/2010 1:54 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> So what you got is filament tape, not carpet tape.
> if the strands run in one direction than what I said is true.
>
> I got carpet tape from HD 6 or so years ago and it is woven and very
> sticky.
> I don't recommend the celophane type it doesn't hold like real carpet
> tape. I am only 3/4 way thru the roll.
> it is about 1/32 thick, so it is thick. It grips so strong I have to use
> small pieces and often use a painters blade to separate it afterwards.
That sounds like the PITA stuff I've got. I've seen people in "howto"
videos just peel the tape right off after in one lump. That's the stuff
I'm looking for.
The thing is there are a lot of options for double-stick tape. 3M VHB
is getting close to an epoxy bond--the magic combination is something
that sticks well enough but comes apart readily when you want it to.
> On 8/20/2010 9:15 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
>> tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
>> operations. In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough to
>> be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic
>> film that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show
>> the container.
>>
>> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
>> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and
>> ends up having to be scraped off.
>>
>> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
>> that actually works for this purpose?
>>
On 8/20/2010 9:01 PM, Steve B wrote:
> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
>> tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
>> operations. In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough to
>> be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic film
>> that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show the
>> container.
>>
>> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
>> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and ends
>> up having to be scraped off.
>>
>> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
>> that actually works for this purpose?
>
> We used a ton of 3M carpet tape in the convention industry. Tons and tons.
> It worked better if you hammered on it with a rubber hammer to get it stick
> better. I always said it would be the perfect binding for someone you
> wanted to torture, or a willing female ............ White double face.
Does it come apart though?
And you have to be careful with tape and willing females--use medical
tape or test well ahead of time--some adhesives cause unpleasant
reactions (as to how I know that, I could tell you but certain
individuals would flog me).
On 8/21/2010 1:49 AM, Steve B wrote:
> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote
>
>>
>> Does it come apart though?
>>
>> And you have to be careful with tape and willing females--use medical tape
>> or test well ahead of time--some adhesives cause unpleasant reactions (as
>> to how I know that, I could tell you but certain individuals would flog
>> me).
>
> This stuff is a booger to get apart.
FWIW, I sent 3M an email and they told me to call them as they needed
more information about the application, which surprised me. This is so
commonplace an application that I would have expected them to have the
answer write off the bat. Maybe nobody has ever suggested it to them
before.
On 8/20/2010 8:15 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet tape"
> for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other operations. In
> some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough to be a little bit
> conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic film that peels off in one
> piece, but they never give specifics or show the container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a bunch of
> fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and ends up having to
> be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff that
> actually works for this purpose?
Home Depot carries various kinds of "carpet tape", and I've used most of them.
What I have now is the "Duck Tape" brand, and they make at least two
different kinds; one is crap, the other works great. You got the crap kind
(the one with fiberglass strands); look for the kind that is made from woven
_cloth_. You may have to dig into the packaging and peel a piece off the
backing to make sure it's the woven cloth variety. It is much stronger than
the fiberglass kind, has a better adhesive, and does not come apart in shreds
when you remove it.
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On 8/20/2010 8:57 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Aug 20, 9:51 am, routerman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Not what you asked for but, to be sure,& in my view, tape is about
>> the worst clamp in Routerdom.
>> A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
>> rotational CW& CCW).
>> Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
>> right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up& down.
>> Expect your work to runamok with tape.
>
> That's not my experience at all. I mean like 180 degrees opposite of
> my experience...which does not mean you're wrong, just that you've had
> some very different experiences. I've had problems with shitty tape
> and questionable surfaces, but not with good tape and reasonable
> surfaces.
I agree completely. If you get the GOOD stuff (see my other reply to the OP)
and you use baltic birch plywood or MDF templates (I'd be less confident with
plastic templates) the chances that it will fail to hold are virtually nil.
I've been doing it for years, and even after encountering my fair share of
wicked blowouts and router kickback (usually due to my not paying attention to
grain direction), the templates have never separated from the workpiece.
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It would never be on the ankles. I can tell you are a man that likes a
**little** challenge.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
And you have to be careful with tape and willing females--use medical
tape or test well ahead of time--some adhesives cause unpleasant
reactions (as to how I know that, I could tell you but certain
individuals would flog me).
So what you got is filament tape, not carpet tape.
if the strands run in one direction than what I said is true.
I got carpet tape from HD 6 or so years ago and it is woven and very sticky.
I don't recommend the celophane type it doesn't hold like real carpet
tape. I am only 3/4 way thru the roll.
it is about 1/32 thick, so it is thick. It grips so strong I have to use
small pieces and often use a painters blade to separate it afterwards.
On 8/20/2010 9:15 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> I keep reading recommendations to fasten templates to stock with "carpet
> tape" for template routing and to use "carpet tape" for various other
> operations. In some videos a tape is shown that is wide, thick enough to
> be a little bit conformable, and apparently a solid piece of plastic
> film that peels off in one piece, but they never give specifics or show
> the container.
>
> The "carpet tape" I find at Home Depot is miserable stuff, basically a
> bunch of fiberglass strands in adhesive, that peels off in shreds and
> ends up having to be scraped off.
>
> So, can someone recommend a brand and product name or SKU for the stuff
> that actually works for this purpose?
>
"routerman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Not what you asked for but, to be sure, & in my view, tape is about
the worst clamp in Routerdom.
A work piece has of 12 degrees of freedom (3 linear in 2 directions, 3
rotational CW & CCW).
Tape restricts almost no mode of movement, save a little bit left/
right and a few pounds (if the work is big enough) up & down.
Expect your work to runamok with tape.
*******************************************************************************
I use tape both at home and at work. At home, I have had it stick so well
that, when I puled the plywood template off the workpiece, it pulled chunks
out of the plywood (Baltic birch). I use it at work to hold work to milling
machines and lathes. It is also very good for building temperary fixtures.
It sticks so well that it sometimes requires a hammer to get it loose. Paper
based 3M is industry standard.