Spoke too soon John, yes it was polypropylene glycol (the stuff you can eat
8^)
-Bruce
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:39:24 -0700, John Crea wrote
(in message <[email protected]>):
> You sure that wasn't PolyPropylene Glycol for that humidor??
>
> PEG is toxic and I am not sure if it will provide the 70% RH that you
> were aiming for in your humidor. PolyPro Glycol will do the 70% RH
> maintenace, which is why it is used in many commerical humidor
> humidification systems
>
> John
>
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:51:49 -0700, Andy Dingley wrote
(in message <[email protected]>):
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:34:47 -0700, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Spoke too soon John, yes it was polypropylene glycol (the stuff you can
>> eat
>> 8^)
>
> I first used polypropylene glycol on our dairy farm, because cows love
> the sweet taste of the other stuff and it's toxic for dairy.
>
> However polyethylene glycol _is_ sometimes fed to cattle. There are US
> research groups who are training cattle (presumably beef) to eat toxic
> plants by feeding them antifreeze as well.
> http://www.behave.net/projects/range-biod_dietmix2003.html
It was described as being for "keytosis" or some such condition.
-Bruce
>
> --
> Do whales have krillfiles ?
Brian White wrote:
> Anyone know where a woodworker could get PEG?
> Thanks!
>
>
I remember buying a gallon jug for a humidor. I found it at a local feed
store. It was sold as a medication for cattle and came in a jug for $8.
-Bruce
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how does that differ from RV antifreeze?
Just curious.
-Dan V.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:58:06 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:57:00 -0700, Bruce Rowen <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I remember buying a gallon jug for a humidor. I found it at a local feed
>>store. It was sold as a medication for cattle and came in a jug for $8.
>
>Not quite the right stuff. If you're trying to stabilise timber with
>it, you want a high molecular weight like PEG-1000. The stuff used for
>cattle is about PEG-400. It might work for a humidor, but it's not
>really enough for things like log disk tabletops etc.
>
>Most woodturning suppliers will have it.
>
>--
>Do whales have krillfiles ?
RV anti-freeze is not the same as what goes into your car radiator. I
pump a gallon of it into my RV (drinking) water system every Fall.
Non-toxic. Cheap, and easy to find.
-Dan V.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:06:58 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Dan Valleskey wrote:
>
>> how does that differ from RV antifreeze?
>>
>> Just curious.
>
>No idea, but I hope it does. Dr. Pepper used to have polyethylene glycol in
>it.
>
>I noticed they took it off the label some time back. I have no idea why it
>was in there, but I sure hope it wasn't toxic.
>
>--
>Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
>Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
JEEZ, sitting in front of a great research tool and propagating baloney.
PEG in polymers from 50 to about 500 is a common ingredient in cosmetics and
pharmaceuticals. Read the labels. It's used as an "intestinal lubricant"
as is mineral oil, but with greater predictability in the elderly.
PEG is indigestible, therefore NON-TOXIC.
"John Crea" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You sure that wasn't PolyPropylene Glycol for that humidor??
>
> PEG is toxic and I am not sure if it will provide the 70% RH that you
> were aiming for in your humidor. PolyPro Glycol will do the 70% RH
> maintenace, which is why it is used in many commerical humidor
> humidification systems
>
> John
>
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:57:00 -0700, Bruce Rowen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Brian White wrote:
> >> Anyone know where a woodworker could get PEG?
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I remember buying a gallon jug for a humidor. I found it at a local feed
> >store. It was sold as a medication for cattle and came in a jug for $8.
> >
> >-Bruce
> >
> >
> >
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:57:00 -0700, Bruce Rowen <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I remember buying a gallon jug for a humidor. I found it at a local feed
>store. It was sold as a medication for cattle and came in a jug for $8.
Not quite the right stuff. If you're trying to stabilise timber with
it, you want a high molecular weight like PEG-1000. The stuff used for
cattle is about PEG-400. It might work for a humidor, but it's not
really enough for things like log disk tabletops etc.
Most woodturning suppliers will have it.
--
Do whales have krillfiles ?
You sure that wasn't PolyPropylene Glycol for that humidor??
PEG is toxic and I am not sure if it will provide the 70% RH that you
were aiming for in your humidor. PolyPro Glycol will do the 70% RH
maintenace, which is why it is used in many commerical humidor
humidification systems
John
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:57:00 -0700, Bruce Rowen <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Brian White wrote:
>> Anyone know where a woodworker could get PEG?
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>
>I remember buying a gallon jug for a humidor. I found it at a local feed
>store. It was sold as a medication for cattle and came in a jug for $8.
>
>-Bruce
>
>
>
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:34:47 -0700, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
>Spoke too soon John, yes it was polypropylene glycol (the stuff you can eat
>8^)
I first used polypropylene glycol on our dairy farm, because cows love
the sweet taste of the other stuff and it's toxic for dairy.
However polyethylene glycol _is_ sometimes fed to cattle. There are US
research groups who are training cattle (presumably beef) to eat toxic
plants by feeding them antifreeze as well.
http://www.behave.net/projects/range-biod_dietmix2003.html
--
Do whales have krillfiles ?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:31:25 GMT, [email protected] (Dan
Valleskey) wrote:
>how does that differ from RV antifreeze?
Antifreeze is usually ethylene glycol, not the polymer.
There's also a non-toxic version, which is polypropylene glycol. I've
used that for stabilising timber, but it's less than perfect.
--
Do whales have krillfiles ?
Dan Valleskey wrote:
> how does that differ from RV antifreeze?
>
> Just curious.
No idea, but I hope it does. Dr. Pepper used to have polyethylene glycol in
it.
I noticed they took it off the label some time back. I have no idea why it
was in there, but I sure hope it wasn't toxic.
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 7:50:09 -0700, Bruce <[email protected]> wrote:
>It was described as being for "keytosis" or some such condition.
"ketosis". It's what makes the Atkins diet work. Whether it's good or
bad depends on which side of the argument you're on, and whether
you're trying to eat well, or to lose weight.
And probably whether you have hooves or not too.
I really must look into ethylene glycol metabolism in cattle. I always
regarded it as something pretty toxic (certainly in milkers), but it
seems that it might have a use in redressing some diet-triggered
imbalances.
--
Inbreeding - nature's way of always giving you enough fingers to count your cousins