"Rusty Richards" <[email protected]> wrote
> As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
> will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
> is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
For a fairly full summary of the use of wood waste as compost, Rusty might
like to look at my web site - Hints & Tips - Uses of Sawdust & Shavings.
Jeff G
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Gee, we put wood chip down just to STOP things from growing. My wife,
the gartener, said that woodchip depletes the soil of nitrogen as it
decomposes and retards seeds from germinating.
Rusty Richards wrote:
> As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know
what
> will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around
here
> is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>
> Newbie Joe
Mix saw dust with 75% grass cuttings in a co,post bin for a year. Or tumble
into a compost tumbler.
"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rusty Richards wrote:
> >
> > As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
> > will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
> > is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>
> Yes and no...oak is very rich in tannic acid which isn't conducive to
> most veggies, etc.
>
> At least compost it before adding it to the garden and a heavy dose of
> lime to neutralize pH will help. The clay will benefit from added
> humus, but you need to test the soil for needed nutrients and acidity
> before just dumping stuff in if you want to really improve the soil for
> growing stuff, that is. The rhod'ys and azaelas will like it,
> though...they need acidic soils.
Rusty Richards wrote:
>
> As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
> will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
> is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
Yes and no...oak is very rich in tannic acid which isn't conducive to
most veggies, etc.
At least compost it before adding it to the garden and a heavy dose of
lime to neutralize pH will help. The clay will benefit from added
humus, but you need to test the soil for needed nutrients and acidity
before just dumping stuff in if you want to really improve the soil for
growing stuff, that is. The rhod'ys and azaelas will like it,
though...they need acidic soils.
Phisherman wrote:
>
> I hear that walnut is toxic all the time. Yet, my parents had 70-foot
> walnut trees in the backyard and grew all sorts of flowers and
> vegetables under them. However, the trees are messy and the fruit
> stained the concrete patio. I heard that walnut sawdust should not be
> used in horse stables.
...
It depends on what, in particular and also on particular soil pH, etc.
as to the extent of the effect. Foilage on bulbs, in particular, are
likely to show signs...it's not so strong and effect as to be deadly to
virtually any plant, but in general, a comparative specie outside the
influence of the walnut will typically show better development than one
within that influence. I'd not use it in veggie gardens simply as a
precaution against poor germination, etc., not that I'd be concerned w/
human toxicity, etc. I also made the recommendation in context of the
OP in this thread asking about using fresh sawdust directly...
"Jerry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gee, we put wood chip down just to STOP things from growing. My wife,
> the gartener, said that woodchip depletes the soil of nitrogen as it
> decomposes and retards seeds from germinating.
>
>
> Rusty Richards wrote:
> > As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know
> what
> > will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around
> here
> > is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
> >
> > Newbie Joe
>
Have the gardener think of how she tries to limit foliage growth from
excessive nitrogen in some plants. Those are the ones to mulch with wood
waste. Save the nasty acid stuff like oak for the compost heap, or to keep
foliage down under your electric fences.
What about Pine and Cherry dust?
"Duane Bozarth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rumpty wrote:
> >
> > On top as a mulch it's fine, don't rototill/dig in fresh sawdust into
the
> > soil. If used in the soil it must be composted first. if you dig in
fresh
> > it will rob nitrogen.
>
> Also note the caveat on oak in particular as high tannic acid
> content...walnut is to be avoided entirely.
Rumpty wrote:
> On top as a mulch it's fine, don't rototill/dig in fresh sawdust into the
> soil. If used in the soil it must be composted first. if you dig in fresh
> it will rob nitrogen.
or be lazy and add a little fertilizer.
>
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>
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> "Rusty Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
>>will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
>>is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>>
>>Newbie Joe
>>
>
>
>
--
Will
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I hear that walnut is toxic all the time. Yet, my parents had 70-foot
walnut trees in the backyard and grew all sorts of flowers and
vegetables under them. However, the trees are messy and the fruit
stained the concrete patio. I heard that walnut sawdust should not be
used in horse stables.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:55:55 GMT, max <[email protected]> wrote:
>Walnut is toxic. It is not good for the micro organisms in the soil, for the
>worms, for horses, for anything. I agree, don't use walnut or redwood.
>Redwood has a chemical in it that retards growth for stuff that is not
>redwood.
>max
>
>> Duane Bozarth <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Also note the caveat on oak in particular as high tannic acid
>>> content...walnut is to be avoided entirely.
>>
>> Unless you WANT to keep the weeds down in certain areas...
>>
>> Patriarch
It was somewhere outside Barstow when Phisherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The initial heap
>should be at least 3x3x3 foot for composting to work well.
And don't forget to piss on it.
Easiest way is to have a barbecue and invite all the guests to do
likewise. Maybe this works better for pagans?
It was somewhere outside Barstow when Patriarch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Does taking a leak on the compost pile preclude Christianity? It's never
>been mentioned in my doctrinal studies...
I've no idea (I shall try to find out on Wednesday when I ask someone
knowledgeable about the Somerset settlements).
In modern times though, barbecues full of pagans seem amenable to the
idea of communal pissing on the compost, but I can't imagine the
vicar's tea party going for it.
It takes about a year for the saw dust in the soil to start breaking down
enough to release nitrogen. I started composting my saw dust about 15 years
ago. I added nitrogen for a year or so and then stopped. My soil is rich and
black.
max
> On top as a mulch it's fine, don't rototill/dig in fresh sawdust into the
> soil. If used in the soil it must be composted first. if you dig in fresh
> it will rob nitrogen.
>
> --
>
> Rumpty
>
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> "Rusty Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
>> will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
>> is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>>
>> Newbie Joe
>>
>
>
Walnut is toxic. It is not good for the micro organisms in the soil, for the
worms, for horses, for anything. I agree, don't use walnut or redwood.
Redwood has a chemical in it that retards growth for stuff that is not
redwood.
max
> Duane Bozarth <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Also note the caveat on oak in particular as high tannic acid
>> content...walnut is to be avoided entirely.
>
> Unless you WANT to keep the weeds down in certain areas...
>
> Patriarch
On top as a mulch it's fine, don't rototill/dig in fresh sawdust into the
soil. If used in the soil it must be composted first. if you dig in fresh
it will rob nitrogen.
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"Rusty Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
> will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
> is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>
> Newbie Joe
>
Duane Bozarth <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Also note the caveat on oak in particular as high tannic acid
> content...walnut is to be avoided entirely.
Unless you WANT to keep the weeds down in certain areas...
Patriarch
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> It was somewhere outside Barstow when Phisherman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>The initial heap
>>should be at least 3x3x3 foot for composting to work well.
>
> And don't forget to piss on it.
>
> Easiest way is to have a barbecue and invite all the guests to do
> likewise. Maybe this works better for pagans?
>
>
Some of us gather our nitrogen from organic sources (horse stables), adding
to the aroma. Mulched under black plastic for a month or so, the weeds are
pretty much history.
Or the OP can wimp out, and throw it in the greens bin, and let the
municipality deal with it. Not everyone wants responibility through the
whole carbon cycle, anyway.
Does taking a leak on the compost pile preclude Christianity? It's never
been mentioned in my doctrinal studies...
Patriarch
Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I hear that walnut is toxic all the time. Yet, my parents had 70-foot
> walnut trees in the backyard and grew all sorts of flowers and
> vegetables under them. However, the trees are messy and the fruit
> stained the concrete patio. I heard that walnut sawdust should not be
> used in horse stables.
>
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:55:55 GMT, max <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Walnut is toxic. It is not good for the micro organisms in the soil,
>>for the worms, for horses, for anything. I agree, don't use walnut or
>>redwood. Redwood has a chemical in it that retards growth for stuff
>>that is not redwood.
>>max
>>
And redwood bark is used for mulch in California all of the time as well.
I was just saying that there are some places where the plant/sawdust
characterisitcs are desireable. It breaks down over time.
And because I like to use walnut for furniture projects, it's nice to have
somewhere to use the chips & sawdust. Like paths & such.
Patriarch
On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:49:29 -0700, [email protected] (Rusty
Richards) wrote:
>As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
>will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
>is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>
>Newbie Joe
Fresh sawdust placed in the garden will deplete the soil of
nitrogen--don't do this. Instead, create a heap of 50/50 sawdust and
grass clippings and turn it every couple months. The initial heap
should be at least 3x3x3 foot for composting to work well. After 3-6
months, it will be composted and can use used in your garden. If you
don't use grass clippings (or green clippings), the sawdust will take
much longer to compost. Adding compost to clay soil will greatly
improve it.
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:40:01 -0600, the inscrutable Patriarch
<[email protected]> spake:
>Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> It was somewhere outside Barstow when Phisherman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>The initial heap
>>>should be at least 3x3x3 foot for composting to work well.
>>
>> And don't forget to piss on it.
>>
>> Easiest way is to have a barbecue and invite all the guests to do
>> likewise. Maybe this works better for pagans?
Indubitably, my dear Dingles.
>Some of us gather our nitrogen from organic sources (horse stables), adding
>to the aroma. Mulched under black plastic for a month or so, the weeds are
>pretty much history.
>
>Or the OP can wimp out, and throw it in the greens bin, and let the
>municipality deal with it. Not everyone wants responibility through the
>whole carbon cycle, anyway.
I take the easy way out. I burn my leaves (two piles a year) and pick
up a full truck bed (cubic yard) load of JoGrow (community compost)
from them once a year for $9. I'm going to the fully organic stuff
from the other place this year at a premium: $20 a load.
>Does taking a leak on the compost pile preclude Christianity? It's never
>been mentioned in my doctrinal studies...
I think it's the essence of it. Every time I think of those preachy
religious folks...
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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:45:09 +0000, Phisherman wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:49:29 -0700, [email protected] (Rusty
> Richards) wrote:
>
>>As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
>>will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
>>is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>>
>>Newbie Joe
>
> Fresh sawdust placed in the garden will deplete the soil of
> nitrogen--don't do this. Instead, create a heap of 50/50 sawdust and
> grass clippings and turn it every couple months. The initial heap
> should be at least 3x3x3 foot for composting to work well. After 3-6
> months, it will be composted and can use used in your garden. If you
> don't use grass clippings (or green clippings), the sawdust will take
> much longer to compost. Adding compost to clay soil will greatly
> improve it.
Peeing in it will also add nitrogen.
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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 23:09:14 +0000, Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>> Fresh sawdust placed in the garden will deplete the soil of
>> nitrogen--don't do this. Instead, create a heap of 50/50 sawdust and
x
>
> Peeing in it will also add nitrogen.
You do get the nitrogen back, after the wood's decayed. It just takes a
long time. (So yeah, don't use straight sawdust on the garden.) I put my
shavings on the garden's paths.
--
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"Rusty Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As a newbie, I will be sanding a lot of red oak and wanted to know what
> will happen if I put the saw dust in the garden? The soil around here
> is mostly clay. Is this what it needs?
>
> Newbie Joe
>
For some plants such as Roses, the saw dust will rob nutrients from the soil
as it begins to break down. Other than that it should not hurt.
That said, IIRC you want to mix Lime into the clay/Gumbo to break it down.