On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:32:09 -0400, "Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]>
wrote:
One of these days you'll get an email something like:
18V, Cordless
4 Tool Combo Pack
90374-3VGA
Free shipping/insurance
$1.00
>For all you cheap bastards that don't get the e-mails:
>
>18V, Cordless
>4 Tool Combo Pack
>90374-3VGA
>$29.99
>
>This stuff has gotta be dangerous!
>
>Kevin
"AArDvarK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ...and on this tool they say it themselves..."almost impossible to use"
laughs.
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1701
Err... you might want to read that again :)
I think it says: "almost impossible to lose"
:-)
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Kevin Singleton wrote:
> For all you cheap bastards that don't get the e-mails:
>
> 18V, Cordless
> 4 Tool Combo Pack
> 90374-3VGA
> $29.99
>
> This stuff has gotta be dangerous!
>
> Kevin
Its useful life is directly proportional to the amount of use it gets.
If you never use it, it will last forever. :-)
mahalo,
jo4hn
"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
> >this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta
> >(which looks remarkably like this one).
>
> I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done
> pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one
> and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent.
> The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the
> power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be.
Voltage is not the only thing that determines the power in the motor.
Remember that you can but 120V AC motors from 1/60HP to at least 2 HP
Norm
> >>A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. (snip)
> > I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done
> > pretty good duty for the last year or so
I have a DeWalt 12V 3/8" VSR dual range cordless drill. It and batteries
are ~ 6 yrs old and they're not holding a charge long after running only
about 10,000 screws. I checked around and found the following:
NEW 12V XR DeWalt batteries are $ 50.00 ea. at Lowes for a total of $ 100
for two
A place called Powercell (or similar-was told about it here) will rebuild
the batteries for 36.50 plus $ 5.00 shipping (each way) = $ 93.00
Lowes and HD are selling the whole kit: drill, 2 batt, charger for $ 119.00
..geez the charger alone costs about 40-50 bucks.
Now HD is selling the Ryobi 12V kit for $ 44.95 ! Decisions, decisions
R
A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta
(which looks remarkably like this one).
"Eugene" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:32:09 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
> > <[email protected]> calmly ranted:
> >
> >>For all you cheap bastards that don't get the e-mails:
> >>
> >>18V, Cordless
> >>4 Tool Combo Pack
> >>90374-3VGA
> >>$29.99
> >>
> >>This stuff has gotta be dangerous!
> >
> > <g> Also note that the package ships with only ONE battery
> > while the pic shows all 4 units with batteries attached.
> > Pay attention before you buy!
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------
> > - Clinton never - * Wondrous Website Design
> > - EXhaled.- * http://www.diversify.com
> > -------------------------------------------------
>
> I'd place bets on the price of an extra/replacement battery pack being
about
> $50-$60 ;)
>
...and on this tool they say it themselves..."almost impossible to use" laughs.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1701
However HF is great for clamps made of iron and steel, super cheap shipping .
I bought 4 > 1/2" pipe clamps they work great, and 4 > 24" bar clamps and work
great. In store purchase though.
Alex
Tim Douglass wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
>>this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta
>>(which looks remarkably like this one).
>
> I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done
> pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one
> and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent.
> The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the
> power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be. It also seems
> to use the batteries awfully fast. For light duty around the house I
> suspect these things would work OK - not great, but OK.
>
> Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange
> Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and
> work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3
> sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I
> wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your
> eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the
> DeWalt.
>
> YMMV
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
I still have my first 9.6V Makita drill bought in 1991. Replaced the two
original batteries a couple years ago so I got about 10 years out of them.
I've bought a few more tools that use the same old stick style battery.
I've spent $500-600 on the tools and batteries from 1991 to 2004. So if
you take $600 divided by 13 years, I have spent $46 per year on cordless
tools so if the HF set lasts more than 1 year each we both spent about the
same amount. However I have saved a lot of frustration by having better
quality tools for those 13 years.
In article <[email protected]>, J T
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Hmm, OK, if we're comparing, then here's my tale. Still have, and
> use, the B&D drill I bought new in 1976. If I recall right, I paid
> about $18, but certainly no more than $20, for it.
I have the B&D corded drill my father won for free as part of a gas
station grand opening, circa 1970. It's a 1/4" drill, aluminum housing
(definitely not double insulated!), single speed, no reverse, with a
two-finger grip.
That sucker will still spin a bit with zero wobble, after many years of
abuse, and will twist right out of your hand if you're not paying
attention. I don't use it for drilling because it's single speed, but
it's perfect for chucking up a grinding stone to sharpen mower blades,
etc.
Oh, and a tank of gas at 1970 prices was probably three bucks. And 34
years later, I'll put my $0.09 per year into the pot. :-)
Kevin
Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 5:06pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene)
claims:
I still have my first 9.6V Makita drill bought in 1991. Replaced the two
original batteries a couple years ago so I got about 10 years out of
them. I've bought a few more tools that use the same old stick style
battery. I've spent $500-600 on the tools and batteries from 1991 to
2004. So if you take $600 divided by 13 years, I have spent $46 per year
on cordless tools so if the HF set lasts more than 1 year each we both
spent about the same amount. However I have saved a lot of frustration
by having better quality tools for those 13 years.
Hmm, OK, if we're comparing, then here's my tale. Still have, and
use, the B&D drill I bought new in 1976. If I recall right, I paid
about $18, but certainly no more than $20, for it. Battery cost over
the years - it's corded, so zero. However, I did buy a new
whatchamacallit to loosen the thingie that holds the drill (technical
terms), for about $3, so say a total of $23 invested. So, if you divide
$23 by 28 years, that comes out to about $.82 per year. Plus, I have
saved a huge amount of frustration by not having to charge batteries, or
buy new ones, because the old ones won't charge. Well, actually I have
bought a few etxension cords over the years, but as they are normally
used for something other than drill use, I'm not counting them.
Putting up with cords while using my drill is worth $46 a year, any
time.
JOAT
Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
J T wrote:
> Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 5:06pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene)
> claims:
> I still have my first 9.6V Makita drill bought in 1991. Replaced the two
> original batteries a couple years ago so I got about 10 years out of
> them. I've bought a few more tools that use the same old stick style
> battery. I've spent $500-600 on the tools and batteries from 1991 to
> 2004. So if you take $600 divided by 13 years, I have spent $46 per year
> on cordless tools so if the HF set lasts more than 1 year each we both
> spent about the same amount. However I have saved a lot of frustration
> by having better quality tools for those 13 years.
>
> Hmm, OK, if we're comparing, then here's my tale. Still have, and
> use, the B&D drill I bought new in 1976. If I recall right, I paid
> about $18, but certainly no more than $20, for it. Battery cost over
> the years - it's corded, so zero. However, I did buy a new
> whatchamacallit to loosen the thingie that holds the drill (technical
> terms), for about $3, so say a total of $23 invested. So, if you divide
> $23 by 28 years, that comes out to about $.82 per year. Plus, I have
> saved a huge amount of frustration by not having to charge batteries, or
> buy new ones, because the old ones won't charge. Well, actually I have
> bought a few etxension cords over the years, but as they are normally
> used for something other than drill use, I'm not counting them.
>
> Putting up with cords while using my drill is worth $46 a year, any
> time.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Expensive tennis shoes won't cure a sore toe.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
I prefer the cordless. The cordless circular saw works best on the plywood
panel workbench which oddly enough resembles the bed of my truck, don't
have to drag a cord out the driveway. They also worked well helping dad
build the barn 1/2 mile on top of a mountain in WV where there are no
electric lines.
In 1976 a $20 drill/saw/whatever was still decent quality. I have a $19 B&D
jigsaw that has lasted a few years since I haven't ever used it since the
first time when it broke its blade and bent the base, then I replaced the
blade and tried again but its mechanism has so much side to side slop that
you can't cut a straight edge. It was a gift from the in laws so I haven't
thrown it away yet for fear they will ask me if I still have that saw they
bought me. I did buy a metal bending brake from HF that was supposed to to
16ga steel. I slid in some thin aluminum and tried to bend it and the cheap
steel of the brake bowed in the middle so every bend it makes is curved.
My in laws always buy the cheapest stuff they can. They will buy the same
$20 tool 3-4 times in 5 years and I will buy one tool for $50-60 and it
will last 10. They still think I pay too much for tools even thought I
come out ahead in the long run.
Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 10:16pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) says:
I prefer the cordless. <snip> They also worked well helping dad build
the barn 1/2 mile on top of a mountain in WV where there are no electric
lines. <snip>
That's why they invented generators.
My kids both use cordless tools. The "however" is, they both do
A/C work, and don't have access to power most of the time. So, as part
of their work they pretty much have to - hand tools would slow them down
too much. I think it's DeWalt they swear by, all the workers in this
area do. Circular saw, drill, sawzall, the whole package.
However, they both normally use corded tools, or air tools, when
they do anything at home.
As long as I've got access to power, I'll used corded, or air,
tools. Otherwise, I'll use hand tools.
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Eugene <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>Then by the time you buy a generator for the corded tools, you would have
>>spent more than buying the cordless ;)
>>My parents did finally buy a generator last year though, but its a pain to
>>carry on a John Deere.
>
> So, you're a woodworker, right? Design and build a platform that mounts
> on the 3-point hitch. May even end up useful for more than just the
> generator.
>
> (Unless your deere is old enough that it doesn't _have_ a three-point
> hitch :-)
>
> scott
The crawler, or more commonly called a bulldozer:) doesn't. Interesting old
2 cly engine with a 4 cyl distributer on it with two positions capped off.
Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a cordless vs
corded argument into a thread on cordless ;)
Thu, Jul 29, 2004, 7:12pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) says:
<snip> Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a
cordless vs corded argument into a thread on cordless ;)
No prob. I've got 2 or 3 more B&D drills, if this one ever dies.
Paid $7 for one, and don't know where the other came from. Then,
there's the brace, with a full set of bits, two eggbater drills, and the
tiny little push drill. And, a hand crank flashlight. Your point was?
LOL
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
J T wrote:
> Thu, Jul 29, 2004, 7:12pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) says:
> <snip> Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a
> cordless vs corded argument into a thread on cordless ;)
>
> No prob. I've got 2 or 3 more B&D drills, if this one ever dies.
> Paid $7 for one, and don't know where the other came from. Then,
> there's the brace, with a full set of bits, two eggbater drills, and the
> tiny little push drill. And, a hand crank flashlight. Your point was?
> LOL
>
>
>
> JOAT
> The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
I have a plastic hand crank drill, cost $4.99. Probably used it for 10
years until I bought the Makita and still have it :)
There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in the
sun and you are chargin'!
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thu, Jul 29, 2004, 7:12pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) says:
> <snip> Anyway my point was more to poke fun at JT for trying to bring a
> cordless vs corded argument into a thread on cordless ;)
>
> No prob. I've got 2 or 3 more B&D drills, if this one ever dies.
> Paid $7 for one, and don't know where the other came from. Then,
> there's the brace, with a full set of bits, two eggbater drills, and the
> tiny little push drill. And, a hand crank flashlight. Your point was?
> LOL
>
>
>
> JOAT
> The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
>
Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am [email protected]
(Mark=A0Hopkins) says:
There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in
the
sun and you are chargin'!
Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam.
I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa
1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device.
Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no
luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just
using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs
across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
Not a saw, but a neat powerplant plan.
http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/babington/
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am [email protected]
(Mark Hopkins) says:
There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in
the
sun and you are chargin'!
Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam.
I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa
1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device.
Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no
luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just
using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs
across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 5:26pm [email protected]
(Mark=A0Hopkins) says:
Not a saw, but a neat powerplant plan.
Nah, not a power plant, but a burner plan. And that idea was
working long before the Marines got ahold of it.
Now THESE ARE a man's powerplants.
http://www.carferries.com/skinner/
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
[email protected] (J T) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am [email protected]
> (Mark Hopkins) says:
> There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in
> the
> sun and you are chargin'!
>
> Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam.
>
> I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa
> 1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device.
> Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with
> no luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but
> just using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone
> runs across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO
Try a search on 'Hull Oaks'. It's a functioning steam powered sawmill
here in Oregon. IIRC, the last such in the country. Quote the search and
you get 34 hits. This one may be the most useful follow its links:
http://www.cr.nps.gov/habshaer/haer/projects.htm
LD
>
>
>
> JOAT
> The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
>
[email protected] (J T) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 10:36pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
> (Lobby Dosser) says:
> Try a search on 'Hull Oaks'. It's a functioning steam powered sawmill
> <snip>
>
> Nope, not even close. That's a sawmill. Anyway, checked it out
> long ago.
>
> I dug out the book with this in it. Under the picture it say,
> "Cloughjordan, Co, Tipperary, Eire".
>
> Apparently the clipping appeared, in "Railway Engineering", by
> Haldane, 1897. Apparently it was called a "steam cross-cut sawing
> machine". It shows the thing in use, sawing a section of log in two.
>
> A bit hard to describe. Apparently it was portable, as it has a
> steam hose running to it, and is mounted on a rectangular base. Being
> as it appeared in a railroad related book, I would suspect it would
> have been used for sawing up trees that had fallen over the tracks,
> useing the locootive boiler as a steam source. The far end of the
> thing has a screw, powered by a hand wheel, to raise and lower the
> blade, sorta a rack and pinion. Then comes the piston, or steam
> engine if you will, in a frame, which continues as a frame for the saw
> blade. In the drawing, it looks like about half the blade is in the
> frame, when it's fully retracted. Then the rest of the blade is in
> the open, and is nicely started cutting the log.
Circular blade, or straight like a steam powered bow saw?
>
> Looks like it would definitely be workable, and a monotube boiler
> would be simple enough to whip up. Looks like almost as much fun as
> the steam powered can crusher.
>
>
>
>
>
> JOAT
> The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
>
>
Sat, Jul 31, 2004, 2:23am (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Lobby=A0Dosser) queries:
Circular blade, or straight like a steam powered bow saw?
No. You seem to be thinking sawmill. Like a cross-cut saw. More
one-man type, then two-man, but possiblly longer than a one-man. On
this, the blade travels horizontally, cutting a log on the ground. Like
a cross-cut saw.
And, a bit of trivia, for those who don't know. IF you know what
you're doing, one man can use a two-man crosscut saw, in the same manner
as a one-man crosscut saw.
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
[email protected] (J T) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Sat, Jul 31, 2004, 2:23am (EDT+4) [email protected]
> (Lobby Dosser) queries:
> Circular blade, or straight like a steam powered bow saw?
>
> No. You seem to be thinking sawmill. Like a cross-cut saw.
> More
> one-man type, then two-man, but possiblly longer than a one-man. On
> this, the blade travels horizontally, cutting a log on the ground.
> Like a cross-cut saw.
AHA! A steam powered sawzall.
>
> And, a bit of trivia, for those who don't know. IF you know what
> you're doing, one man can use a two-man crosscut saw, in the same
> manner as a one-man crosscut saw.
I'll bite
>
>
>
> JOAT
> The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
>
>
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:52:25 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Sat, Jul 31, 2004, 2:23am (EDT+4) [email protected]
>(Lobby Dosser) queries:
>Circular blade, or straight like a steam powered bow saw?
>
> No. You seem to be thinking sawmill. Like a cross-cut saw. More
>one-man type, then two-man, but possiblly longer than a one-man. On
>this, the blade travels horizontally, cutting a log on the ground. Like
>a cross-cut saw.
Drag saw, is the term I believe. I've seen them powered by the drive
belt from an old tractor using a bell-crank type setup, so a steam
variation shouldn't be difficult. All you need is a normal
double-action steam cylinder with the saw blade attached to the
connecting rod. Although I suspect a flywheel would need to be added
to make it run better.
> And, a bit of trivia, for those who don't know. IF you know what
>you're doing, one man can use a two-man crosscut saw, in the same manner
>as a one-man crosscut saw.
Not easily unless you either have a lot of set to the saw or wood with
little pitch. Most 2 man saws are too thin to push back through the
kerf without bending.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Sat, Jul 31, 2004, 10:42am (EDT-3) [email protected]
(Tim=A0Douglass) says;
Drag saw, is the term I believe. <snip>
Same general idea, but a totally different look.
http://www.oldengine.org/shows/Chilton/17.htm
Not easily unless you either have a lot of set to the saw or wood with
little pitch. Most 2 man saws are too thin to push back through the kerf
without bending.
That's why I put it, "IF you know what you're doing". It is "not"
easy, but it "is" possible.
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:52:25 -0400, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
> No. You seem to be thinking sawmill. Like a cross-cut saw. More
>one-man type, then two-man, but possiblly longer than a one-man. On
>this, the blade travels horizontally, cutting a log on the ground. Like
>a cross-cut saw.
maybe closer to:
http://www.steamengine.com.au/ic/sawmill/rosebery/
Steve
My real email address is dealsgalore[A-T]earthlink.net
http://www.cheap-land.com
Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 10:36pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Lobby=A0Dosser) says:
Try a search on 'Hull Oaks'. It's a functioning steam powered sawmill
<snip>
Nope, not even close. That's a sawmill. Anyway, checked it out
long ago.
I dug out the book with this in it. Under the picture it say,
"Cloughjordan, Co, Tipperary, Eire".
Apparently the clipping appeared, in "Railway Engineering", by
Haldane, 1897. Apparently it was called a "steam cross-cut sawing
machine". It shows the thing in use, sawing a section of log in two.
A bit hard to describe. Apparently it was portable, as it has a
steam hose running to it, and is mounted on a rectangular base. Being
as it appeared in a railroad related book, I would suspect it would
have been used for sawing up trees that had fallen over the tracks,
useing the locootive boiler as a steam source. The far end of the thing
has a screw, powered by a hand wheel, to raise and lower the blade,
sorta a rack and pinion. Then comes the piston, or steam engine if you
will, in a frame, which continues as a frame for the saw blade. In the
drawing, it looks like about half the blade is in the frame, when it's
fully retracted. Then the rest of the blade is in the open, and is
nicely started cutting the log.
Looks like it would definitely be workable, and a monotube boiler
would be simple enough to whip up. Looks like almost as much fun as the
steam powered can crusher.
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
J T wrote:
> Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am [email protected]
> (Mark Hopkins) says:
> There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in
> the
> sun and you are chargin'!
>
> Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam.
>
> I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa
> 1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device.
> Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no
> luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just
> using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs
> across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO
>
>
>
> JOAT
> The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
Anyone remember the Will Smith movie with the bad guy riding in the steam
powered wheelchair? Could set up all the power tools that way, tiny steam
powered engines on your drill, saw, router. Cordless and they would burn
the sawdust for power so they would have cordless dust collection as well.
We should have never invented electricity :)
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:40:54 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 12:30am [email protected]
>(Mark Hopkins) says:
>There is always the solar alternative as well.... Throw up a panel in
>the
>sun and you are chargin'!
>
> Nah. If I was going to go an alternative route, it'd be steam.
>
> I've got a drawing, in one of my books, apparently from a circa
>1900 or so ad, of a steam powered crosscut saw. Nifty looking device.
>Been trying to find info on such for probably several years now, with no
>luck so far. I figure there must be "something" out there, but just
>using the wrong buzz-words, or dombination thereof. If anyone runs
>across such, please post it, or even "gasp" e-mail me. LMAO
When I lived in California (two years ago) there was a guy that
brought just such a critter to the Santa Cruz County fair every year.
He set it up in the "old iron" area (antique tractors, hit-or-miss
engines, etc.) and sliced off rounds from a good sized log--really
attracted an audience!
The saw blade was probably 4 or 5 feet long.
You might be able to find him through a search of the SCC fair or the
county web sites.
--John W. Wells
Eugene <[email protected]> writes:
>Then by the time you buy a generator for the corded tools, you would have
>spent more than buying the cordless ;)
>My parents did finally buy a generator last year though, but its a pain to
>carry on a John Deere.
So, you're a woodworker, right? Design and build a platform that mounts
on the 3-point hitch. May even end up useful for more than just the generator.
(Unless your deere is old enough that it doesn't _have_ a three-point hitch :-)
scott
J T wrote:
> Wed, Jul 28, 2004, 10:16pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Eugene) says:
> I prefer the cordless. <snip> They also worked well helping dad build
> the barn 1/2 mile on top of a mountain in WV where there are no electric
> lines. <snip>
>
> That's why they invented generators.
>
> My kids both use cordless tools. The "however" is, they both do
> A/C work, and don't have access to power most of the time. So, as part
> of their work they pretty much have to - hand tools would slow them down
> too much. I think it's DeWalt they swear by, all the workers in this
> area do. Circular saw, drill, sawzall, the whole package.
>
> However, they both normally use corded tools, or air tools, when
> they do anything at home.
>
> As long as I've got access to power, I'll used corded, or air,
> tools. Otherwise, I'll use hand tools.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
> - Bazooka Joe
> JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
Then by the time you buy a generator for the corded tools, you would have
spent more than buying the cordless ;)
My parents did finally buy a generator last year though, but its a pain to
carry on a John Deere.
[email protected] (J T) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Putting up with cords while using my drill is worth $46 a year, any
> time.
Yeah, I fought it for a looooong time. I just kept happily using my
$19.99 15-year-old Craftsman 3/8" corded drill. Then one day I got a
wild hair and picked up a PC 12V cordless. I'm a changed man. I keep
the corded drill plugged in in my shop, and I use it with the cordless
rather than changing bits all the time, but the convenience of the
cordless is unbeatable. I've even used an abrasive saw disc on it to
cut wet PVC irrigation in the ground -- not a move I'd try with a cord
:)
-Mike
Fri, Jul 30, 2004, 8:46am (EDT-3) [email protected]
(Mike=A0Reed) says:
<snip> I've even used an abrasive saw disc on it to cut wet PVC
irrigation in the ground -- not a move I'd try with a cord
Depending on the size of the pipe, they've got a really nifty PVC
cutter out, that works like a charm. And, no electric, OR batteries.
JOAT
The highway of fear is the road to defeat.
- Bazooka Joe
JERUSALEM RIDGE http://www.banjer.com/midi/jerridge.mid
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:32:09 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
> <[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>
>>For all you cheap bastards that don't get the e-mails:
>>
>>18V, Cordless
>>4 Tool Combo Pack
>>90374-3VGA
>>$29.99
>>
>>This stuff has gotta be dangerous!
>
> <g> Also note that the package ships with only ONE battery
> while the pic shows all 4 units with batteries attached.
> Pay attention before you buy!
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------
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> - EXhaled.- * http://www.diversify.com
> -------------------------------------------------
I'd place bets on the price of an extra/replacement battery pack being about
$50-$60 ;)
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
>this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta
>(which looks remarkably like this one).
I got the $99 Ryobi set and it worked fine for 2 years. Now
both batteries decided to go tits-up. I'm getting 4 minutes
of service apiece from them and they die in 3 days without
any use. Time for alternative sourcing. Anyone use the Ebay
battery people, PowerGears ?
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:19:58 GMT, ray <[email protected]> calmly
ranted:
>On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:52:50 -0700, Tim Douglass wrote:
>
>> Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange
>> Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and
>> work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3
>> sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I
>> wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your
>> eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the
>> DeWalt.
>>
>> YMMV
>
>MMDV (my mileage did vary) I bought the 12 volt Ryobi contractors driver
>a couple of years ago. The first one twisted off the chuck within a month
>of purchase. Sheared it right off. HD replaced it, but now neither
>battery will take a charge-- they just sit in the charger and blink red.
>So in a burst of "brilliance," I went back to HD and bought the 12 volt
>"consumer" driver for 50 bucks, since new batts for the old driver were
>$40, and the new driver came with 2 12 volt batts. Imagine my surprise
>when I discovered that the new Ryobi 12 volt batts do not fit the old
>Ryobi 12 volt driver. Oh well. Might be a while before I buy another
>Ryobi tool.
I've been doing Ryobi battery research today. Here's what I found
for the 14.4v batt packs I need:
Ebay:
PowerGears wants $25 for a new pack. "Good quality, Japanese-made."
Google:
PrimeCell: $40 2Ah, $55 2.6Ah, $68 3Ah nimh for rebuilds.
BatteryBarn: $54 for a 1.5Ah POS, $60 for a 2Ah rebuild.
BatterySavings: $50
Ebatts: $57 (same source as BatterySavings)
Voltmanbatteries: $30 (you pay shipping to them only, Sanyo 1.8Ah)
Powertoolbattery: $54
Batteryprice: $38.85 1.5Ah
Interbatteries: $34.53 1.7Ah exact replacement, new. $40 2Ah,
$7 UPS to ship 1 or 2 packs.
I may try a pack from each: PowerGears and Interbattery.
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"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>
> >A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
> >this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta
> >(which looks remarkably like this one).
>
> I got the $99 Ryobi set and it worked fine for 2 years. Now
> both batteries decided to go tits-up. I'm getting 4 minutes
> of service apiece from them and they die in 3 days without
> any use. Time for alternative sourcing. Anyone use the Ebay
> battery people, PowerGears ?
Batteries Plus usually has good replacements for hand tools.
a.
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:52:50 -0700, Tim Douglass wrote:
> Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange
> Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and
> work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3
> sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I
> wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your
> eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the
> DeWalt.
>
> YMMV
MMDV (my mileage did vary) I bought the 12 volt Ryobi contractors driver
a couple of years ago. The first one twisted off the chuck within a month
of purchase. Sheared it right off. HD replaced it, but now neither
battery will take a charge-- they just sit in the charger and blink red.
So in a burst of "brilliance," I went back to HD and bought the 12 volt
"consumer" driver for 50 bucks, since new batts for the old driver were
$40, and the new driver came with 2 12 volt batts. Imagine my surprise
when I discovered that the new Ryobi 12 volt batts do not fit the old
Ryobi 12 volt driver. Oh well. Might be a while before I buy another
Ryobi tool.
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
>this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta
>(which looks remarkably like this one).
I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done
pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one
and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent.
The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the
power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be. It also seems
to use the batteries awfully fast. For light duty around the house I
suspect these things would work OK - not great, but OK.
Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange
Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and
work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3
sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I
wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your
eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the
DeWalt.
YMMV
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:06:13 +0000, Eugene <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Tim Douglass wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:13:02 GMT, "AL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>A new battery is $10. 90121-0VGA. But I wouldn't recommend anyone buy
>>>this set. Nor would I recommend anyone buy the equivalent set from Delta
>>>(which looks remarkably like this one).
>>
>> I have one of the cheap HF drills - a 14V. It works and has done
>> pretty good duty for the last year or so since I dropped my better one
>> and couldn't swing the scratch to replace it with something decent.
>> The only real comment I have on it is that the motor is about half the
>> power of my old 14V drill - not sure why that should be. It also seems
>> to use the batteries awfully fast. For light duty around the house I
>> suspect these things would work OK - not great, but OK.
>>
>> Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange
>> Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and
>> work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3
>> sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I
>> wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your
>> eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the
>> DeWalt.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> Tim Douglass
>>
>> http://www.DouglassClan.com
>I still have my first 9.6V Makita drill bought in 1991. Replaced the two
>original batteries a couple years ago so I got about 10 years out of them.
>I've bought a few more tools that use the same old stick style battery.
>I've spent $500-600 on the tools and batteries from 1991 to 2004. So if
>you take $600 divided by 13 years, I have spent $46 per year on cordless
>tools so if the HF set lasts more than 1 year each we both spent about the
>same amount. However I have saved a lot of frustration by having better
>quality tools for those 13 years.
Yeah, but my 9.6 Makita from way back when only lasted about 2 years.
Not the fault of the tool, they just aren't engineered to take a 12'
2x6 falling on them. For a long time I mostly used my cordless tools
for remodeling work or for farm stuff. It really doesn't matter if
they are good ones or cheap junk, you're going to destroy them long
before they wear out.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:32:09 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>For all you cheap bastards that don't get the e-mails:
>
>18V, Cordless
>4 Tool Combo Pack
>90374-3VGA
>$29.99
>
>This stuff has gotta be dangerous!
<g> Also note that the package ships with only ONE battery
while the pic shows all 4 units with batteries attached.
Pay attention before you buy!
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I have a 12V DeWalt, and a 12V Ryobi. The Ryobi is crap, so be careful.
Kevin
--
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"Rudy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:EJkSc.72557$M95.9275@pd7tw1no...
>
> Lowes and HD are selling the whole kit: drill, 2 batt, charger for $
119.00
> ..geez the charger alone costs about 40-50 bucks.
>
> Now HD is selling the Ryobi 12V kit for $ 44.95 ! Decisions, decisions
>
> R
>
>
>
> Personally, on a price-performance basis the Ryobi tools at the orange
> Borg get my vote. I've used several of them and they seem solid and
> work well. Long term may be different, but for the price you can buy 3
> sets of Ryobi's before you match the price of the good stuff. I
> wouldn't recommend them if they didn't work, but if you close your
> eyes you won't tell any difference between the Ryobi and, say, the
> DeWalt.
>
I have the 18v Ryobis and like them fine; but my 12v DeWalt is more
powerful.
Tim Douglass wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:25:59 -0400, [email protected] (Tom
> Dooley) wrote:
>
>
>>I got one of those Chicago drywall cut-out tools for 20 bucks and
>>coudn't be happier with it. The plastic base didn't last long, so I
>>fabbed up a sturdier one.
>>For me to go to that much trouble for a twenty dollar tool means a lot!
>
>
> That's another one. When they hit $20 I couldn't pass it up. So far
> the base on mine is holding up fine after a couple of drywall jobs.
> I'm actually pleased and surprised with it.
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
My next door neighbor does a lot of handyman work and would go through
one of these drills in a couple days. HF replaced them for a while, but
then he had to drive for a couple hours (round trip) to exchange it. I
suggested he get a good one and showed him my Panasonic 15.6. He ooohed
and aahhhed appropriately and agreed that he needed something more
substantial. Came back with a B&D. Sigh. Lasted a month.
mahalo,
jo4hn
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:25:59 -0400, [email protected] (Tom
Dooley) wrote:
>I got one of those Chicago drywall cut-out tools for 20 bucks and
>coudn't be happier with it. The plastic base didn't last long, so I
>fabbed up a sturdier one.
>For me to go to that much trouble for a twenty dollar tool means a lot!
That's another one. When they hit $20 I couldn't pass it up. So far
the base on mine is holding up fine after a couple of drywall jobs.
I'm actually pleased and surprised with it.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com