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"Stoutman" <.@.>

06/07/2007 3:51 PM

Air Conditioned Shop?

To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!

Sweaty in High Point.

--
Stoutman
www.garagewoodworks.com


This topic has 56 replies

UC

Unquestionably Confused

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 10:14 PM

Steve Wolfe wrote:
>> Some heat in winter is the important part.
>
> Eh. When it's zero degrees (32 below freezing), I can still work in my
> garage pretty well. But sweltering in it on a 105-degree day (and hotter in
> the garage) is too much for me!

Old maxim: You can always put on enough to stay warm but can never take
off enough to keep cool!

OTOH, if you have a shop with adequate heat and cooling... Nirvana!<g>

JJ

Jakofalltrades@webtv.net (J T)

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 1:24 AM

Fri, Jul 6, 2007, 3:51pm@. (Stoutman) doth lament:
To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
Sweaty in High Point.

Boy, you can sure tell I have a different view of all this then you
guys.

I've got a in the window of my shop;. sucks air in, blows out thru
the door; with a breeze going I can ignore the heat. Trees shading the
shop, probably helps. If the fan dies, I'd have to stop work, until I
got another.

Haven't even turned the house A/C on this year. Probably because
it died sometime between last year and the year before, and I've not
bothered to replace it yet. LOL Fan in the front window, window in the
back door open aout 6", somethimes the front door open, sometmes it's
closed, ignore the heat. Usually only turn the A/C on during Aug,
and/or Sep, andyway. And then only for a day or two a a time, then it's
back to the fan in the window.

Some heat in winter is the important part.



JOAT
I do things I don't know how to do, so that I might learn how to do
them.
- Picasso

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 8:17 PM

On Jul 6, 3:51 pm, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
> Sweaty in High Point.

Nice and cool in Canuckistan (with AC)

CS

Charlie Self

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 11:13 AM

On Jul 6, 3:51?pm, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
> Sweaty in High Point.
>
> --
> Stoutmanwww.garagewoodworks.com

I've got two window units in my shop, about 12,000 Btus short of what
I need, so I have to start them up the night before, preferably just
before I fall asleep, to have a cool shop the next day. Then, if it's
not over about 86-87, they work. Right now, with temperatures in the
high 80s and low to mid 90s, forget it. By noon, the shop is
uninhabitable, at least for fat elderly types.

Ll

LesT

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 11:05 AM

On Jul 7, 12:02 pm, Steve <s...@sureNOSPAMwest.net> wrote:

Actually, you can have TOO large an air conditioner. If the unit is
too big, it'll cool down to your set temperature is so short a time
that it doesn't get a chance to remove the humidity. I think my AC
is just on the edge of too big, because on some days it is cool
but a little clammy.

Just my 2 cents...

Les

GO

"Greg O"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 4:24 PM

"Stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
news:468e9eb6$0$3170$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
> Sweaty in High Point.
>
> --
> Stoutman
> www.garagewoodworks.com
>
>
Whiner!
Greg
(one of the guys with AC in the shop!)

Ss

Steve

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 9:02 AM

mac davis wrote:

>
> I've got a 2 ton "mini split" in the shop, and only a 22 x 18' area to cool, so
> it works pretty well, until manual labor is involved...
>

Is your shop insulated? I've been thinking about installing a
mini-split in my shop, which is also my garage. It's approx 22 x 30,
but seems to be insulated, because it resists heating up on hot days
pretty well - better than the garage in the old house, which heated up
fast and stayed that way, even after I installed foam panels in the
garage door two years ago. I had a 12000-BTU window-type AC that managed
to keep the shop down to 85 F on hot days - not quite good enough for
this fat old guitar builder. :-(

Anyway, I was considering a 1.5-ton unit, but based on your comment I'm
thinking I'd better get the 2-ton unit.

Also, did you install it yourself, or did you have an AC contractor do it?

--Steve

Ss

Steve

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 12:58 PM

LesT wrote:
> On Jul 7, 12:02 pm, Steve <s...@sureNOSPAMwest.net> wrote:
>
> Actually, you can have TOO large an air conditioner. If the unit is
> too big, it'll cool down to your set temperature is so short a time
> that it doesn't get a chance to remove the humidity. I think my AC
> is just on the edge of too big, because on some days it is cool
> but a little clammy.
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> Les
>

Good point - but in the area around Sacramento CA it's generally pretty
dry when it gets hot. Right now it's 81 degrees and the humidity is
41%. It's expected to get to 96 at around 5PM and the humidity will
probably be 25% by then.

Where are you located?

The garage is 22 x 30, but the ceiling is 11 feet, so its the equivalent
of a 900 sq ft room with an 8-ft ceiling. One supplier's system-size
calculator is telling me I need a 1.6-ton unit, and my experience with
the 12000-BTU unit I used before is that I should err toward larger, not
smaller. Also, since I'm working with guitars, I don't want the air too
dry anyway.

--Steve

GO

"Greg O"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 3:55 PM

"Steve" <smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest.net> wrote in message
news:138ve8rrs086u0b@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> Anyway, I was considering a 1.5-ton unit, but based on your comment I'm
> thinking I'd better get the 2-ton unit.
>
> >
> --Steve

I have a 24x38 foot shop running a 1-1/2 ton AC and it just barely keeps up.
Today I started the AC at noon, and it has run steady all afternoon, 3:50 PM
right now. It has slowly dropped the temp from 78F down to 73F so far. So in
reality it is sized just right! With a 22x30 foot shop with reasonable
insulation I would go with a 1-1/2 ton AC. Bigger and it will not
dehumidify. You are actually better to run the hell out of a slightly
undersized unit than to go oversize. I used to have a window shaker for AC.
It would not keep up, but the shop was still pretty comfortable with the low
humidity.
Greg

Ss

Steve

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 4:51 PM

Mac;

Thanks for the details - yes it does help to understand the context.

We're in the middle of moving into this house, and I'm working on
getting the workshop set up - it's great to be able to start from
scratch and design the layout and set up a real dust collection system
this time. I've also ordered an air filtration system (the $189
Grizzly) to hang in there

The house is three years old, and seems to be very well insulated - even
the attached garage, in which I'm using one of the three bays as my
principal workshop area. The garage ceiling is 11 ft, and the whole
garage is dry-walled on the inside, with stucco on the exterior walls
and concrete tile on the roof.

We've had some pretty hot weather already, but this garage seems to be
slow to get hot inside - the only day it was unbearably hot in there was
when the outside temp hit 108 F earlier this week. On cooler days (in
the 90's) last weekend I was able to work on setting up the shop with a
large oscillating fan to keep me from getting overheated.

But once I get back into some serious guitar-building, I'm gonna need to
air-condition this space, and a mini-split system seems to be the way to
go. I tried a 12000-BTU window-type in the old garage, and it was just
not up to the job - it could do no better than to maintain the temp in
the low-to-mid 80's.

--Steve

Ss

Steve

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

10/07/2007 1:02 AM

mac davis wrote:

>
> Something else that I should have mentioned... I'll be adding an exhaust fan
> high on one wall, since I can't vent through a concrete roof...
>
> If you can get the warm air out of the ceiling space before you turn on the AC,
> it's much more efficient..
>

Sounds like a great idea - I'm going to look into that too.
>>
> Enjoy the shop, Steve.... This is my 5th or 6th shop, and the first one that
> wasn't in a garage, shared by water heater, washer & dryer, family junque,
> etc...
> What a luxury!
>

I DO have to share space with the water heater, a refreigerator &
freezer, and some household storage. And a car, since my wife will be
parking her car in there once we get everything organized. And the city
has this ordinance that requires that space for vehicles be maintained
when operating a home business, so I can't permanently expand and take
over the entire garage.

Thanks again for the info & advice!

--Steve

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 1:39 PM

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:35:18 -0700, mac davis
<mac.splinters@bajadavis.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:25:51 -0500, Frank Boettcher <fboettcher@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Box fan in a window, ceiling fan, lots of shade trees, I get by fine.
>>
>Frank... Our contractor was going to put 2 ceiling fans in the shop, but I went
>for more ceiling outlets instead...
>My feeling was that the ceiling fans would blow dust and crap all over the shop
>and hamper the flow of the jet filter..
>
>Do you run it in reverse to avoid that, or what?
>
No I run it in forward and it (dust blowing) hasn't been a problem.
My shop has a vaulted ceiling with a four foot wide flat at the top.

I was worried about the same thing, but when remodeling left me with
one surplus ceiling fan I decided to put it up. I prewired the boxes
in the ceiling when I built the shop, anticipating a couple of air
cleaners. Ended up with one air cleaner and the ceiling fan. If they
fight each other I haven't noticed it. The air cleaner pre-filter
seems to load up just as fast as it did without the ceiling fan.

Frank

>
>mac
>
>Please remove splinters before emailing

Bj

"Bigpole"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 12:23 PM


My shop is in the basement also. I have to close the vents in the summer
because it
gets a little to cool.

Ted
"Stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
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> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
> Sweaty in High Point.
>
> --
> Stoutman
> www.garagewoodworks.com
>
>

AR

"Allen Roy"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 10:32 PM


">
SUNY Corning

Please explain. I hope you don't mean Corning,NY

Allen

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 11:24 AM

Stoutman wrote:

| To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
|
| Sweaty in High Point.

Going as fast as I can on a completely solar-powered air conditioner -
perhaps by next summer or the summer after...

Wish me luck! (It's sweaty here in Iowa, too.)

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/StirlingProject.html

JJ

Jakofalltrades@webtv.net (J T)

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

10/07/2007 1:39 PM

Sun, Jul 8, 2007, 11:24am (EDT-1) mrdovey@iedu.com (Morris=A0Dovey) doth
sayeth:
Going as fast as I can on a completely solar-powered air conditioner -
perhaps by next summer or the summer after...<snip>

Did a google. Seems like it could be done already. I didn't check
the sites, but a lot of them gave that impressio.

Some years back found an article on a solar boiler, with parabolic
mirrors. Ran down to a steam engine. One thing about a steam engine,
ten don't need to e too huge o put ut a lot of power (torque). Solar
boiler, steam engine, truck refrigeration uit, or air conditioner.
Should work. Or plant a batch of trees so your shop is shaded.



JOAT
I do things I don't know how to do, so that I might learn how to do
them.
- Picasso

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

10/07/2007 3:43 PM

J T wrote:
| Sun, Jul 8, 2007, 11:24am (EDT-1) mrdovey@iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
| doth sayeth:
| Going as fast as I can on a completely solar-powered air
| conditioner - perhaps by next summer or the summer after...<snip>
|
| Did a google. Seems like it could be done already. I didn't
| check the sites, but a lot of them gave that impressio.
|
| Some years back found an article on a solar boiler, with
| parabolic mirrors. Ran down to a steam engine. One thing about a
| steam engine, ten don't need to e too huge o put ut a lot of power
| (torque). Solar boiler, steam engine, truck refrigeration uit, or
| air conditioner. Should work. Or plant a batch of trees so your
| shop is shaded.

Shade works well. So does designing a building to be cool.

My personal preference runs toward simplicity and a minimum of moving
parts.

I'm planning to drive a fluidyne (a Stirling engine using water
pistons) with heated air from a passive flat panel collector, then use
the kinetic energy from that engine to drive a second fluidyne which
(I'm hoping) will develop a hot side and a cold side. The cold side
will be used to chill water to be circulated by third fluidyne pump.
Total moving parts: 5 (the first three of which are water, and the
last two are the "flappers" in a pair of check valves. None of it will
be as warm as the boiling point of water.

It does seem as though someone should already have done exactly this,
but I haven't been able to find a trace.

There has been a fair amount of development with high temperature
mechanical systems, but such systems are inherently expensive. The
solution I'm after doesn't add up to anything more than heated air
causing columns of water to oscillate in tubing.

Only the thermally-driven engine (two out of the three fluidynes) is
working at this point. We've scaled it up to use 4" schedule 40 PVC
pipe - and are only getting about a two-inch "stroke" (should be
between 15" and 18"), but that's a lot better than the initial 1/8"
stroke it started with. Cooling power will depend on solar collector
area, and the general rule of thumb there is about a kW per square
meter of panel.

It probably won't be wonderfully efficient, but it should be
considerably more efficient than a high temperature system. Also, by
using flat panel collectors it should be able to operate in hazy and
overcast weather. I'm not sure how the efficiency stacks up against a
conventional air-conditioner - but since the sun is providing all the
power needed, it shouldn't have /any/ operating cost.

Best of all, none of the parts can wear out.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Cc

"Charley"

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

11/07/2007 9:41 AM

Morris and Joat,

Have you looked into using an "absorption refrigeration" system to make your
solar powered air conditioner? A small heat source makes them work quite
well. Do you remember the old Servel refrigerators that ran on propane ?
(also some newer camping refrigerators that are multi-powered use this
principle) No moving mechanical parts and great efficiency. In fact, many of
the 60-80 year old Servels are still in use.

Charley


"Morris Dovey" <mrdovey@iedu.com> wrote in message
news:4693f012$0$503$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> J T wrote:
> | Sun, Jul 8, 2007, 11:24am (EDT-1) mrdovey@iedu.com (Morris Dovey)
> | doth sayeth:
> | Going as fast as I can on a completely solar-powered air
> | conditioner - perhaps by next summer or the summer after...<snip>
> |
> | Did a google. Seems like it could be done already. I didn't
> | check the sites, but a lot of them gave that impressio.
> |
> | Some years back found an article on a solar boiler, with
> | parabolic mirrors. Ran down to a steam engine. One thing about a
> | steam engine, ten don't need to e too huge o put ut a lot of power
> | (torque). Solar boiler, steam engine, truck refrigeration uit, or
> | air conditioner. Should work. Or plant a batch of trees so your
> | shop is shaded.
>
> Shade works well. So does designing a building to be cool.
>
> My personal preference runs toward simplicity and a minimum of moving
> parts.
>
> I'm planning to drive a fluidyne (a Stirling engine using water
> pistons) with heated air from a passive flat panel collector, then use
> the kinetic energy from that engine to drive a second fluidyne which
> (I'm hoping) will develop a hot side and a cold side. The cold side
> will be used to chill water to be circulated by third fluidyne pump.
> Total moving parts: 5 (the first three of which are water, and the
> last two are the "flappers" in a pair of check valves. None of it will
> be as warm as the boiling point of water.
>
> It does seem as though someone should already have done exactly this,
> but I haven't been able to find a trace.
>
> There has been a fair amount of development with high temperature
> mechanical systems, but such systems are inherently expensive. The
> solution I'm after doesn't add up to anything more than heated air
> causing columns of water to oscillate in tubing.
>
> Only the thermally-driven engine (two out of the three fluidynes) is
> working at this point. We've scaled it up to use 4" schedule 40 PVC
> pipe - and are only getting about a two-inch "stroke" (should be
> between 15" and 18"), but that's a lot better than the initial 1/8"
> stroke it started with. Cooling power will depend on solar collector
> area, and the general rule of thumb there is about a kW per square
> meter of panel.
>
> It probably won't be wonderfully efficient, but it should be
> considerably more efficient than a high temperature system. Also, by
> using flat panel collectors it should be able to operate in hazy and
> overcast weather. I'm not sure how the efficiency stacks up against a
> conventional air-conditioner - but since the sun is providing all the
> power needed, it shouldn't have /any/ operating cost.
>
> Best of all, none of the parts can wear out.
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
>

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

11/07/2007 1:17 PM

Charley wrote:
| Morris and Joat,
|
| Have you looked into using an "absorption refrigeration" system to
| make your solar powered air conditioner? A small heat source makes
| them work quite well. Do you remember the old Servel refrigerators
| that ran on propane ? (also some newer camping refrigerators that
| are multi-powered use this principle) No moving mechanical parts
| and great efficiency. In fact, many of the 60-80 year old Servels
| are still in use.

I've seen some of the older units used in camping trailers and done a
bit of researching on the Internet. They work well for small volumes,
but look considerably more expensive to produce than what I'm working
on. They also appear to require significantly higher temperatures,
which for solar applications means a concentrating collector (a
parabolic trough or dish) whose performance would be poor if the skies
were hazy or overcast. I like 'em, but they don't appear to offer a
good solution to the whole house or shop cooling problem.

I had an interesting discussion this morning about providing solar
heat for stock tanks (if you're not a farm person, these are
galvanized watering troughs for livestock - a small tank holds
something like 75 gallons). I'd been looking for a way to circulate
hot air _downward_ from a solar heating panel to a heat exchange tube
near the bottom of a stock tank and had been pricing photovoltaic
panels and small blowers - and had just about decided that a workable
combination was just too expensive. This morning I asked my compadre
if he thought the solar pump we've been working on to pump water could
be used to pump air...

He opined that as long as we oriented the check valves so that gravity
would make them "normally closed", we could pump air as easily as we
can pump water. It's one of those cases where I'd knocked myself out
looking for a solution that was right under my nose all along...

This stuff /does/ keep life interesting!

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/StirlingProject.html

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

12/07/2007 7:37 AM

Morris Dovey wrote:

| Only the thermally-driven engine (two out of the three fluidynes) is
| working at this point. We've scaled it up to use 4" schedule 40 PVC
| pipe - and are only getting about a two-inch "stroke" (should be
| between 15" and 18"), but that's a lot better than the initial 1/8"
| stroke it started with.

I just posted a photo of this kluge to ABPW. When I get time, I'll add
it to the web page at the link below.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

MD

"Morris Dovey"

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

12/07/2007 8:16 AM

Jim Behning wrote:
| Could they not uses a solar panel to heat water with a recirculating
| pump powered by solar electric panel?

Yuppers. The problem is that this configuration is too expensive - a
suitable DC motor for the blower and a photovoltaic panel capable of
producing enough current is fairly spendy. My farming prospect nixed
the use of anti-freeze; hence my decision to pump air.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

JB

Jim Behning

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

13/07/2007 1:10 PM

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:16:59 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <mrdovey@iedu.com>
wrote:

>Jim Behning wrote:
>| Could they not uses a solar panel to heat water with a recirculating
>| pump powered by solar electric panel?
>
>Yuppers. The problem is that this configuration is too expensive - a
>suitable DC motor for the blower and a photovoltaic panel capable of
>producing enough current is fairly spendy. My farming prospect nixed
>the use of anti-freeze; hence my decision to pump air.

I would agree with the farmer based on how destructive my horses can
be around the water trough. Keep us posted on the project as it sounds
interesting. I only suffer a few days where it does not get above
freezing so your project is just interesting to me.

JB

Jim Behning

in reply to "Morris Dovey" on 08/07/2007 11:24 AM

12/07/2007 12:53 PM

Could they not uses a solar panel to heat water with a recirculating
pump powered by solar electric panel? I was thnking someone did this
close to where I worked to power a pond pump. Small backyard pond that
is. Well actually all they did was pump water. They did not need to
warm the water. Maybe have a closed loop with "safe" antifreeze for
the warming media. That might be more complicated than the dry air you
are proposing. Health issues with livestock and their ability to tear
up water troughs when there is no water or if it is frozen.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:17:04 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <mrdovey@iedu.com>
wrote:

>Charley wrote:
>| Morris and Joat,
>|
>| Have you looked into using an "absorption refrigeration" system to
>| make your solar powered air conditioner? A small heat source makes
>| them work quite well. Do you remember the old Servel refrigerators
>| that ran on propane ? (also some newer camping refrigerators that
>| are multi-powered use this principle) No moving mechanical parts
>| and great efficiency. In fact, many of the 60-80 year old Servels
>| are still in use.
>
>I've seen some of the older units used in camping trailers and done a
>bit of researching on the Internet. They work well for small volumes,
>but look considerably more expensive to produce than what I'm working
>on. They also appear to require significantly higher temperatures,
>which for solar applications means a concentrating collector (a
>parabolic trough or dish) whose performance would be poor if the skies
>were hazy or overcast. I like 'em, but they don't appear to offer a
>good solution to the whole house or shop cooling problem.
>
>I had an interesting discussion this morning about providing solar
>heat for stock tanks (if you're not a farm person, these are
>galvanized watering troughs for livestock - a small tank holds
>something like 75 gallons). I'd been looking for a way to circulate
>hot air _downward_ from a solar heating panel to a heat exchange tube
>near the bottom of a stock tank and had been pricing photovoltaic
>panels and small blowers - and had just about decided that a workable
>combination was just too expensive. This morning I asked my compadre
>if he thought the solar pump we've been working on to pump water could
>be used to pump air...
>
>He opined that as long as we oriented the check valves so that gravity
>would make them "normally closed", we could pump air as easily as we
>can pump water. It's one of those cases where I'd knocked myself out
>looking for a solution that was right under my nose all along...
>
>This stuff /does/ keep life interesting!

AR

"Allen Roy"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

16/07/2007 10:02 PM

Well next time your in town, stop and say Hi.

Allen
"B A R R Y" <beech23pilot@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:32:53 -0400, "Allen Roy" <aroy3@stny.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>">
>> SUNY Corning
>>
>>Please explain. I hope you don't mean Corning,NY
>
> Sure!
>
> Years back, I did some shows there.
>
> One of the memorable trips through Corning that can be shared in a
> public forum happened during a "Celebration Weekend".
>
> The Dean's wife decided to have an "interpretive" theatre directly
> under the gym where I was hired to work. I can't remember who the
> band was, possibly the Ramones, Squeeze, Talking Heads, or The
> Bosstones. Anyhow... we had 60-70,000 watts on the PA, including
> Servodrive subwoofers, and a packed, enthusiastic house of maybe
> 5,000. The subwoofer cluster was directly over the "theatre", which I
> believe was normally a wrestling room. Throughout the day, I
> pointed out the bad location of the "theatre", and the conflicts that
> would surely arise to anyone who would listen. No one listens to the
> long hairs...
>
> I then spent the entire 90 minute set arguing with the Dean, and then
> his porky wife, while trying to mix. We argued over the fact that it
> was now SNOWING chunks of suspended ceiling material on the theatre,
> the gel frames were falling out of the lights, and the actors couldn't
> be heard. Also, the perfectly rectangular room below us resonated
> severely ~ 40 Hz, so every time the band held certain notes, the room
> would become unbearable. He wanted to stop the show so the 10 people
> in the room (including his uber-po'd wife <G>) below could put on
> their 2-hour performance.
>
> I also got a ridiculous speeding ticket in Alfred, and saw a drunken
> Sasquatch kick down all the stalls in a hillbilly bar.
>
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> ---------------------------------------------

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mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 6:41 AM

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
>Sweaty in High Point.

Must be that ale ya been drinking...


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

md

mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 9:30 AM

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:05:07 -0700, LesT <l-thede@onu.edu> wrote:

>On Jul 7, 12:02 pm, Steve <s...@sureNOSPAMwest.net> wrote:
>
>Actually, you can have TOO large an air conditioner. If the unit is
>too big, it'll cool down to your set temperature is so short a time
>that it doesn't get a chance to remove the humidity. I think my AC
>is just on the edge of too big, because on some days it is cool
>but a little clammy.
>
>Just my 2 cents...
>
>Les

I've had that problem, Les...

The AC unit doesn't shut of, though, the fan stays on, which helps a bit..

On a few very wet days, I've used the DRY setting, but I understand that it
doubles the electricity usage because you're running both the heat and AC?

Works very well, though...

BTW: water is, of course, rationed here, so I have a gallon pail under the drain
pipe outside the shop..
Set at 30 C, it fills the pail about once an hour and that waters most of the
plants and keeps the wife's fountain full..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 10:22 AM

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
>Sweaty in High Point.


Do you have decent ceilings and windows? Then YOU SUCK! <G>

I backed into an air conditioned shop, as it's the walk-out basement
under the air conditioned house. Open the door, and the cool air
falls down the stairs, into the basement, and out the back door.

The rest of the time, it's still a dank basement...

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NoOne N Particular

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 4:11 PM

B A R R Y wrote:
<<<<<<<< SNIPPAGE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I saw the biggest bug I've _EVER_ seen in MS.
>

When I was in New Orleans once many many years ago, I saw some guys
skateboarding down the sidewalk. As they got closer I saw that they weren't
skateboarding at all. They were just riding the backs of cockroaches.

Wayne

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 5:06 PM


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>
> >To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
> >
> >Sweaty in High Point.
>
>
> Mississippi in the summer. High heat. High humidity. No AC. It's
> not supposed to be that way?


Houston. Same, same. Sam's. Honkin' BIG fan ... or three. That's the way it
must be.

(Actually, it if doesn't stop raining soon, I'm more worried about high
water in the shop than heat.)

... and there it goes again. :(

It's always something ...

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 6/1/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)

NN

NoOne N Particular

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 4:07 PM

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
<<<<< SNIPPAGE >>>>>>>>>>

> Old maxim: You can always put on enough to stay warm...
You may not be able to move, but you can get warm


> but can never take off enough to keep cool!

TMI!!! TMI!!!


Wayne

SW

"Steve Wolfe"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 9:06 PM

> Some heat in winter is the important part.

Eh. When it's zero degrees (32 below freezing), I can still work in my
garage pretty well. But sweltering in it on a 105-degree day (and hotter in
the garage) is too much for me!

steve

Sk

"Swingman"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 10:30 PM


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message

> Going to break the drought though. Break ground on the shop
> expansion. When I poured the slab for the original shop, Dec. '90 it
> rained every weekend day until April. I got so frustrated, I framed
> it one weekend in the rain.
>
> Farmers around here will thank me.

Yep ... that's _exactly_ why it's raining here. I've been waiting to pour a
foundation on a new housing start for three weeks! The rain will just not
let up.

--
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Last update: 6/1/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)

ee

eclipsme

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 4:07 PM

Gerald Ross wrote:
> eclipsme wrote:
>
>> 15 years later, I remarried - this time to a nice southern girl.
>> So now I have a new house, my workshop is in the garage, and I have
>> the biggest window ac I could fit!
>>
>> As Borat would say, "very nice!"
>>
>> Harvey
>
> When you are married to a nice southern girl, you NEED air conditioning.
>
lol! That's a fact.

Harvey

Ll

"Lee"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 12:59 AM

Hey!! gonna be 95 Sat. Sun. If it makes you feel better I'll turn it
off......NOT lol

"Stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 7:10 AM

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 23:27:06 GMT, B A R R Y <beech23pilot@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:55:50 -0500, Frank Boettcher
><fboettcher@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Mississippi in the summer. High heat. High humidity. No AC. It's
>>not supposed to be that way?
>
>I saw the biggest bug I've _EVER_ seen in MS.
>
>Back in my sound guy daze, I was working for one night in Jackson, MS.
> The grand opening of the North-something mall, with Beatlemania.
>After the show, we went to some bar where people could drive boats
>right in. I could just imagine people drowning in the place and not
>being found until the next morning.
>
>There was a beetle the size of a 33 1/3 record or Frisbee (At least it
>looked that big to ME!) walking across the parking lot at us. I ran
>the other way! <G>
>
Sure it wasn't one of our famous flying tree roaches. They're
impressive.

There are two types of people in Mississippi, particularly Jackson and
south. Those that admit they have roaches in their house, and those
that lie about it.

Frank
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>---------------------------------------------

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 12:35 PM

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 07:10:43 -0500, Frank Boettcher
<fboettcher@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Sure it wasn't one of our famous flying tree roaches. They're
>impressive.

I've flown smaller radio control airplanes.

That thing freaked me out! <G>

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Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 8:49 PM

Mine is in the basement too, but I have a walk-out basement with a
double doors opening to a 6-foot opening. Plus, I have a window,
great for sharpening. Prior to that, my "shop" was in my apartment
living room! Sawdust in carpeting is not all that easy to remove.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:09:48 -0500, Mike Berger <berger@shout.net>
wrote:

>The downside to mine is that, while it's comfortable all year
>around, it's in the basement. So are all the woodworking and
>metalworking tools. I had to get them there. And the materials
>I use all have to be brought down.
>
>Stoutman wrote:
>> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>>
>> Sweaty in High Point.
>>

MB

Mike Berger

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 3:09 PM

The downside to mine is that, while it's comfortable all year
around, it's in the basement. So are all the woodworking and
metalworking tools. I had to get them there. And the materials
I use all have to be brought down.

Stoutman wrote:
> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
> Sweaty in High Point.
>

JB

John B

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

10/07/2007 9:58 PM

Steve wrote:
> mac davis wrote:
>
>>
>> Something else that I should have mentioned... I'll be adding an
>> exhaust fan
>> high on one wall, since I can't vent through a concrete roof...
>>
>> If you can get the warm air out of the ceiling space before you turn
>> on the AC,
>> it's much more efficient..
>>
>
> Sounds like a great idea - I'm going to look into that too.
>>>
>> Enjoy the shop, Steve.... This is my 5th or 6th shop, and the first
>> one that
>> wasn't in a garage, shared by water heater, washer & dryer, family
>> junque,
>> etc...
>> What a luxury!
>>
>
> I DO have to share space with the water heater, a refreigerator &
> freezer, and some household storage. And a car, since my wife will be
> parking her car in there once we get everything organized. And the city
> has this ordinance that requires that space for vehicles be maintained
> when operating a home business, so I can't permanently expand and take
> over the entire garage.
>
> Thanks again for the info & advice!
>
> --Steve
G'day Steve,
I'd agree with Mac's thinking on an exhaust fan up high. I have a
corrugated iron shed, about 40 x 24 with 9' walls and a pitch height of
12'. Putting a whirly bird "wind powered exhaust fan" at the very top of
the roof helped heaps.
The walls are now insulated and the roof about half way and I have an
evaporative air con in the wall.
Humidity is not a problem in Kalgoorlie. however temperatures range from
-4 to 48c.

all the best
John

md

mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 9:26 AM

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 09:02:33 -0700, Steve <smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest.net> wrote:


Steve.. Because my shop is indoors in a new house, it probably won't help you
much, but here goes..

Good part:

Because my wife is a LOT smarter than I am, we (ok, she) decided that instead of
the shop being in a detached garage, it would be a large room IN the house...

The house is built of "Dura Wall", which is sort of like cinder block but made
of cement and foam, and in larger blocks.. it's a very good insulation..
The ceiling is layered, from the top down, with cement, foam (6"), cement and
foam..
The windows and door glass are double pane and the mini splits (4 total) were
installed by the builder and Trane..

Not so good part:

Because part of why we moved to Baja is the Sea of Cortez, the shop has three 5'
x 4' windows and a set of multi-pane french doors, with 2 windows facing the
sea.. (East)
What we didn't factor in was the morning sun.... The West side of the house has
few windows and a veranda to for shade, because we did figure that the afternoon
sun would be very hot..
I've had to put roll down plastic shades (the kind like they tint car windows
with) on the windows and make sure that I put them down by 6 am or the shop gets
VERY warm...

Mexican contractors trying to build gringo style houses seem to have a lot of
trouble getting things like door and window opening square and getting a good
fit for the aluminum windows... lots of gaps and binds and tons of silicon,
their solution to a loose fit... heat and wind DOES get in...

9' ceilings are very nice in a shop, but trap a lot of hot air.. need to install
a bathroom type vent high on a wall, I think..

Hope something in there helped..

>mac davis wrote:
>
>>
>> I've got a 2 ton "mini split" in the shop, and only a 22 x 18' area to cool, so
>> it works pretty well, until manual labor is involved...
>>
>
>Is your shop insulated? I've been thinking about installing a
>mini-split in my shop, which is also my garage. It's approx 22 x 30,
>but seems to be insulated, because it resists heating up on hot days
>pretty well - better than the garage in the old house, which heated up
>fast and stayed that way, even after I installed foam panels in the
>garage door two years ago. I had a 12000-BTU window-type AC that managed
>to keep the shop down to 85 F on hot days - not quite good enough for
>this fat old guitar builder. :-(
>
>Anyway, I was considering a 1.5-ton unit, but based on your comment I'm
>thinking I'd better get the 2-ton unit.
>
>Also, did you install it yourself, or did you have an AC contractor do it?
>
>--Steve


mac

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md

mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 9:32 AM

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:55:50 -0500, Frank Boettcher <fboettcher@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>
>>To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>>
>>Sweaty in High Point.
>
>
>Mississippi in the summer. High heat. High humidity. No AC. It's
>not supposed to be that way?
>
>Frank

Yep... if you're bending wood and don't have a steam chamber...


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

TH

The Happy Drunk

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

15/07/2007 6:02 AM

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
>Sweaty in High Point.

Hmmmmm my shed has no A/C .... then again it has no heating either.
During summer I open the doors , during winter I put a coat on.

Would love Airconditioning but it think some insulation wll be first
on the list. That is, after I convince the MOFAW to allow some money
out of the account ;-)
__


Cheers
The Happy Drunk

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 7:25 PM

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:06:49 -0500, "Swingman" <kac@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
>> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>>
>> >To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>> >
>> >Sweaty in High Point.
>>
>>
>> Mississippi in the summer. High heat. High humidity. No AC. It's
>> not supposed to be that way?
>
>
>Houston. Same, same. Sam's. Honkin' BIG fan ... or three. That's the way it
>must be.
>
>(Actually, it if doesn't stop raining soon, I'm more worried about high
>water in the shop than heat.)
>
>... and there it goes again. :(
>
>It's always something ...


Box fan in a window, ceiling fan, lots of shade trees, I get by fine.

Wish you could send that rain here. Severe drought. Only three
rains since 20th of May, but one of them this morning. Can't figure
out where the humidity is coming from. And the mosquitos.

Going to break the drought though. Break ground on the shop
expansion. When I poured the slab for the original shop, Dec. '90 it
rained every weekend day until April. I got so frustrated, I framed
it one weekend in the rain.

Farmers around here will thank me.

Frank

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 4:55 PM

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
>Sweaty in High Point.


Mississippi in the summer. High heat. High humidity. No AC. It's
not supposed to be that way?

Frank

BH

Brian Henderson

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 10:19 PM

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:51:43 -0400, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!

I actually put in actual A/C in the shop this year but I haven't had
a chance to get out and enjoy it yet. Window air conditioners are
cheap, why not pick one up and you can stop sweating?

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 11:27 PM

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:55:50 -0500, Frank Boettcher
<fboettcher@comcast.net> wrote:

>Mississippi in the summer. High heat. High humidity. No AC. It's
>not supposed to be that way?

I saw the biggest bug I've _EVER_ seen in MS.

Back in my sound guy daze, I was working for one night in Jackson, MS.
The grand opening of the North-something mall, with Beatlemania.
After the show, we went to some bar where people could drive boats
right in. I could just imagine people drowning in the place and not
being found until the next morning.

There was a beetle the size of a 33 1/3 record or Frisbee (At least it
looked that big to ME!) walking across the parking lot at us. I ran
the other way! <G>

For the other weird stories, there was a bar near a Christian college
in Rock Hill, SC (my daddy makes me go here...), called Plum Crazy,
the Art Deco District of Miami, SUNY Corning, or Front Street in
Bermuda...

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DF

Don Fearn

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 5:07 PM

"Stoutman" <.@.> opin'd thus:

>To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!

Thank you.


My Man Garage came with heat (essential in Minnesota) but it didn't
have air conditioning, and I thought it woodn't need it, but I had a
window unit from the previous place, so I put it in. I found out that
it couldn't keep the Man Garage at low enough humidity in the summer
months, so I added another air conditioner. I run it whenever the
humidity gets to 65 percent or so, which keeps the temperature at
around 70 degrees -- about right for anything I want to do out there,
including woodworking and wrenching on motorcycles . . . .

--
The 50-50-90 rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something
right, there's a 90% probability you'll get it wrong

md

mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

09/07/2007 10:50 AM

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:39:23 -0500, Frank Boettcher <fboettcher@comcast.net>
wrote:

>No I run it in forward and it (dust blowing) hasn't been a problem.
>My shop has a vaulted ceiling with a four foot wide flat at the top.
>
>I was worried about the same thing, but when remodeling left me with
>one surplus ceiling fan I decided to put it up. I prewired the boxes
>in the ceiling when I built the shop, anticipating a couple of air
>cleaners. Ended up with one air cleaner and the ceiling fan. If they
>fight each other I haven't noticed it. The air cleaner pre-filter
>seems to load up just as fast as it did without the ceiling fan.
>
>Frank

Good to know...
We brought down a very nice ceiling fan with lights, remote, etc.... Being the
wrong color/style, the wife wouldn't allow it in the house and is in a box
someplace...
I think I'll try it!

My recliner was the wrong color, too.. a major blow to an ol' fart like me...
Finally found a large striped blanket at a local vendor that she liked, so I got
to keep my "newly decorated" recliner... lol



mac

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md

mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

07/07/2007 6:50 AM

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 11:13:03 -0000, Charlie Self <charliediy@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 6, 3:51?pm, "Stoutman" <.@.> wrote:
>> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>>
>> Sweaty in High Point.
>>
>> --
>> Stoutmanwww.garagewoodworks.com
>
>I've got two window units in my shop, about 12,000 Btus short of what
>I need, so I have to start them up the night before, preferably just
>before I fall asleep, to have a cool shop the next day. Then, if it's
>not over about 86-87, they work. Right now, with temperatures in the
>high 80s and low to mid 90s, forget it. By noon, the shop is
>uninhabitable, at least for fat elderly types.

Damn, Charlie... that one hurt! lol
And here I was agreeing with Bill Grumbine about needing a "turning muscle"
before you said that..

I've got a 2 ton "mini split" in the shop, and only a 22 x 18' area to cool, so
it works pretty well, until manual labor is involved...

I turn it on in the morning a bit after sunrise, same time that I roll down the
reflective shades over the East-facing windows..
usually set at 28 or 29 C, (low 80's F) it works well for light work, friends
and clients over and stuff like that, but to keep from standing at the lathe in
a puddle of sweat I'd probably have to set it at about 75f... and I'm way too
cheap to do that, even with the low electricity prices here..


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

GR

Gerald Ross

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 6:53 AM

eclipsme wrote:

> 15 years later, I remarried - this time to a nice southern girl.
>
> So now I have a new house, my workshop is in the garage, and I have the
> biggest window ac I could fit!
>
> As Borat would say, "very nice!"
>
> Harvey

When you are married to a nice southern girl, you NEED air conditioning.

--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

The key to flexibility is indecision.



md

mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

09/07/2007 10:46 AM

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:51:56 -0700, Steve <smcyr@sureNOSPAMwest.net> wrote:

>Mac;
>
>Thanks for the details - yes it does help to understand the context.
>
Cool... I was afraid that I was boring you to death... lol

>We've had some pretty hot weather already, but this garage seems to be
>slow to get hot inside - the only day it was unbearably hot in there was
>when the outside temp hit 108 F earlier this week. On cooler days (in
>the 90's) last weekend I was able to work on setting up the shop with a
>large oscillating fan to keep me from getting overheated.

Something else that I should have mentioned... I'll be adding an exhaust fan
high on one wall, since I can't vent through a concrete roof...

If you can get the warm air out of the ceiling space before you turn on the AC,
it's much more efficient..

Right now I'm using a small desk-size fan, in an 11" wide board that a window
closes on... I had the fan on a shelf at the bottom of the window but the air
blowing out was too cool, so I moved it to the top of the window and the exhaust
is warmer...
Still, the top of the window is about 3 1/2 feet from the ceiling, so I'll bore
a hole in the block wall and mount a fan there with pretty louvers and all.. *g*
>
>But once I get back into some serious guitar-building, I'm gonna need to
>air-condition this space, and a mini-split system seems to be the way to
>go. I tried a 12000-BTU window-type in the old garage, and it was just
>not up to the job - it could do no better than to maintain the temp in
>the low-to-mid 80's.
>
Enjoy the shop, Steve.... This is my 5th or 6th shop, and the first one that
wasn't in a garage, shared by water heater, washer & dryer, family junque,
etc...
What a luxury!


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 3:52 PM


"Mike Berger" <berger@shout.net> wrote in message
news:f6m7ia$866$1@roundup.shout.net...
> The downside to mine is that, while it's comfortable all year
> around, it's in the basement. So are all the woodworking and
> metalworking tools. I had to get them there. And the materials
> I use all have to be brought down.
>
> Stoutman wrote:
>> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>>
>> Sweaty in High Point.
>>

So are you saying that your shop would be more comfortable if it had no A/C?

md

mac davis

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 9:35 AM

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:25:51 -0500, Frank Boettcher <fboettcher@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>Box fan in a window, ceiling fan, lots of shade trees, I get by fine.
>
Frank... Our contractor was going to put 2 ceiling fans in the shop, but I went
for more ceiling outlets instead...
My feeling was that the ceiling fans would blow dust and crap all over the shop
and hamper the flow of the jet filter..

Do you run it in reverse to avoid that, or what?


mac

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in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

08/07/2007 12:27 PM

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 22:32:53 -0400, "Allen Roy" <aroy3@stny.rr.com>
wrote:

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>">
> SUNY Corning
>
>Please explain. I hope you don't mean Corning,NY

Sure!

Years back, I did some shows there.

One of the memorable trips through Corning that can be shared in a
public forum happened during a "Celebration Weekend".

The Dean's wife decided to have an "interpretive" theatre directly
under the gym where I was hired to work. I can't remember who the
band was, possibly the Ramones, Squeeze, Talking Heads, or The
Bosstones. Anyhow... we had 60-70,000 watts on the PA, including
Servodrive subwoofers, and a packed, enthusiastic house of maybe
5,000. The subwoofer cluster was directly over the "theatre", which I
believe was normally a wrestling room. Throughout the day, I
pointed out the bad location of the "theatre", and the conflicts that
would surely arise to anyone who would listen. No one listens to the
long hairs...

I then spent the entire 90 minute set arguing with the Dean, and then
his porky wife, while trying to mix. We argued over the fact that it
was now SNOWING chunks of suspended ceiling material on the theatre,
the gel frames were falling out of the lights, and the actors couldn't
be heard. Also, the perfectly rectangular room below us resonated
severely ~ 40 Hz, so every time the band held certain notes, the room
would become unbearable. He wanted to stop the show so the 10 people
in the room (including his uber-po'd wife <G>) below could put on
their 2-hour performance.

I also got a ridiculous speeding ticket in Alfred, and saw a drunken
Sasquatch kick down all the stalls in a hillbilly bar.

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in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

09/07/2007 12:33 AM


"Morris Dovey" <mrdovey@iedu.com> wrote in message
news:46911072$0$499$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> Stoutman wrote:
>
> | To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
> |
> | Sweaty in High Point.
>
> Going as fast as I can on a completely solar-powered air conditioner -
> perhaps by next summer or the summer after...
>
> Wish me luck! (It's sweaty here in Iowa, too.)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey

I have an evaporative cooler that works fairly well. (dry climate, El Paso)
I like the exhaust effect; it blows the dust out the slightly opened o'head
door. <G>

Max

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eclipsme

in reply to "Stoutman" <.@.> on 06/07/2007 3:51 PM

06/07/2007 9:16 PM

Stoutman wrote:
> To all of in an air-conditioned shop: YOU SUCK!!!
>
> Sweaty in High Point.
>
I lived all my life in California until 18 years ago - I'm 55. I had a
shop in my 1 car garage for years. We moved to Florida, I bought a new
Powermatic table saw and took over the 2 car garage for my new business
to be, cabinets and furniture. I got my first commission in July - the
double 90's. Just couldn't handle it, so I went into computers instead.

15 years later, I remarried - this time to a nice southern girl. She
finally told me what others never did. You can put an AC in the window
of a garage!

So now I have a new house, my workshop is in the garage, and I have the
biggest window ac I could fit!

As Borat would say, "very nice!"

Harvey


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