Another project completed and set up

Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>>>>>> string/strings.
>>>>> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
>>>>> it's absolutely not required.
>>>>> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
>>>>> Classical guitar strings may require
>>>>> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
>>>>> much less tension.
>>>> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do >
>>>> you actually play a guitar?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
>> Actually they have steel string too.
>>
>>
>> In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break
>> it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.
>>
>> I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly am, but
>> do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(
>
> I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
> sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several types
> of guitar strings.
> Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
> labels and alloys, I suppose.
>
> I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:
>
> A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179 lbs
> (81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.
>
> A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a guitar.
>
> -- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
> anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two different instruments.
>
> And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
> considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look it
> up, or ask Swingman.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>>
>> Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
>> down to the close up of the strings.
>>
>> http://artisanguitars.com/collings-om3-adirondack-spruce-and-indian-rosewood-with-41-style-appointments/
>>
>> Regardless, Most of what I build I never use, I would not have a problem
>> with building a guitar and not using it.. I would have a problem with
>> building something that resembled a guitar and sounded terrible. I highly
>> suspect that knowing how to play a guitar would be instrumental in building
>> one that might be at least a cut above average.
>>
>>
>>

Ok, a bit or research has revealed to me that an acoustical guitar is not
necessarily a classic or steel string guitar. Knowing little about either
as previously stated I assumed that a traditional looking, non electric
guitar, was both classical and acoustical. I assumed that both came in
both nylon and steel string varieties. I now stand corrected..

-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/7/14, 5:11 PM, Leon wrote:
>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>
>> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and
>> the soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>>
>> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the
>> shorter 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt
>> it best to make the top into two sections, split in half front to
>> back. The gap is hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom
>> and 5 Domino tenons, on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves
>> together and in registration to each other. The front and back
>> apron/bridges are attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts
>> threaded into eight threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>>
>>
>> Empty
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>>
>>
>> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
>> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the
>> right is a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>> Right View
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
>
>
> Gorgeous as usual! Those sewing machines are a lot like woodworking
> tools and musical instruments. You can *really* tell the difference in
> quality and performance in the expensive ones.
>


Thank you. Yeah they go and go and go and need little attention.

Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/7/2014 6:11 PM, Leon wrote:
>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>
>> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
>> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>>
>> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
>> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
>> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
>> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
>> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
>> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
>> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
>> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>>
>
> Nice. I was able to peek without my wife seeing it. She only has one Viking machine.

Thank you Ed. Your wife only has one Now. :-). That will probably change.
LOL

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/7/2014 6:11 PM, Leon wrote:
>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>
>> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
>> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>>
>> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
>> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
>> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
>> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
>> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
>> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
>> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
>> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>>
>>
>> Empty
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>>
>>
>> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
>> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is
>> a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>> Right View
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
> Nice, so I guess you had no problem then with the saw stop ... she's got
> you beat on those two tiny machines.. Your big iron at least has some mass... :-)
>
> Nice work.


Thank you. On the opposite side of the room is her "long arm" machine. It
sits in the two similar cabinets that I built just before Christmas last
year, painted the same mint green color. That machine is worth more than
double the two machines pictured in today's pictures.

Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 4/9/2014 9:20 PM, Gray_Wolf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>>>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>>
>>> Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
>>> guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you Gary, No, I have not done much of anything except cabinets > and furniture.
>
> Can you play a guitar, Leon? I can totally understand not wanted to
> build a guitar I didn't want to play.
> For a player, I think the concept of building your own instrument is very attractive.

No. I played a ukulele when I was a kid but having chopped of half of my
left thumb would probably make learning to play a guitar difficult for a
right hander.

On Saturday, April 12, 2014 6:01:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Right View
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
>
> >
>
> > Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your finishing technique to get that great consistent look?
>
> >
>
> > Thanks.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.
>
> Baltic birch for the drawers.
>
>
>
> Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the
>
> same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top
>
> coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"
>
> foam roller for the wide panels.
>
>
>
> http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/catalog/proclassic-alkyd-interior-enamel/?referringCategory=interior-paint-coatings/paint/
>
>
>
> and
>
>
>
> http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/catalog/multipurpose-primer/?referringCategory=interior-paint-coatings/primers/

Thanks, Leon! I'll give it a try.

On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:11:39 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>
> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
>
>
> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
>
> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>
>
>
> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
>
> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
>
> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
>
> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
>
> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
>
> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
>
> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
>
> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>
>
>
>
>
> Empty
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>
>
>
>
>
> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
>
> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is
>
> a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>
>
>
>
>
> Right View
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/

Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your finishing technique to get that great consistent look?

Thanks.

On Monday, 7 April 2014 23:11:39 UTC+1, Leon wrote:

> Right View
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/

Has that machine on the right got an ignition key?!

:-)

On 4/7/2014 8:43 PM, jloomis wrote:
> Quite a nice project, and well thought out.
> john
>

Thank you John, My wife agrees, the layout was her idea. ;~)




















> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>
> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>
>
> Empty
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>
>
> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is
> a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>
>
> Right View
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/

On 4/11/2014 2:38 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW, Mike Marlow is a good guitar player and songwriter, if you didn't
>> know that.
>
> Geezus - thanks Karl! I consider myself something of a hack - sort of a
> mediocre kind of thing. I like playing and writing, but never expected
> anyone to call what I do "good". Now I need to get down to Houston - gotta
> go where my freakin' fans are...
>

Hey, if Karl says you are good, you are good! Every one is good at
something. ;~)

On 4/11/2014 6:23 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>>>>>> string/strings.
>>>>> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique.
>>>>> So,
>>>>> it's absolutely not required.
>>>>> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
>>>>> Classical guitar strings may require
>>>>> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung
>>>>> under
>>>>> much less tension.
>>>> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do >
>>>> you actually play a guitar?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
>> Actually they have steel string too.
>>
>>
>> In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably
>> break
>> it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.
>>
>> I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly
>> am, but
>> do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(
>
> I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
> sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several
> types of guitar strings.
> Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
> labels and alloys, I suppose.
>
> I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:
>
> A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179
> lbs (81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.
>
> A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a
> guitar.
>
> -- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
> anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two
> different instruments.
>
> And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
> considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look
> it up, or ask Swingman.

I was simply pointing out that there are/can be steel strings on a
standard/non electric guitar. The link I provided plus the mention to
scroll down to the picture showing the steel strings on the classical
guitar was to show you that this is true.

You said, Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension. In
fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break it
(so I hear).

I really don't care one way or another. I am absolutely not interested
in playing or building a guitar. I am not an expert, not even close to
very knowledgeable about a guitar. So when you referred that classical
guitars have nylon, not steel strings, it seemed to me that you were
guessing.

Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>>>> string/strings.
>>> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
>>> it's absolutely not required.
>>> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
>>> Classical guitar strings may require
>>> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
>>> much less tension.
>>
>> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do >
>> you actually play a guitar?
>>
>>
>
> Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.

Actually they have steel string too.


In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break
it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.

I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly am, but
do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(

Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
down to the close up of the strings.

http://artisanguitars.com/collings-om3-adirondack-spruce-and-indian-rosewood-with-41-style-appointments/

Regardless, Most of what I build I never use, I would not have a problem
with building a guitar and not using it.. I would have a problem with
building something that resembled a guitar and sounded terrible. I highly
suspect that knowing how to play a guitar would be instrumental in building
one that might be at least a cut above average.


Yes, I can play a guitar. I'm an amateur. Not a pro, like Swingman. I
think the invention of the Internet took away alot of the time I used to
spend at guitar. There are alot of different guitar playing styles. If you
could be content learning chords for some folk or country songs it wouldn't
take too long. I'm sure you can get all of the advise you need here if
you ask. The first thing you would need to decide is where the "time" is
going to come from. I think it's generally accepted that 1/2 hour per day
will work, but it takes me half that long just to get "warmed up".
>
> "Angie.. Angie.. when will those clouds all disappear?
> Angie, Angie, where will it lead us from here?
> With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
> You can't say we're satisfied
> But Angie, Angie, you can't say we never tried..
>
>
>
> ...867-5309... Jenny Jenny, who can I turn to?
> (I learned my "barre chords" on that one... : ) )
>
> Bill
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> At least I did with my Uke.
>>>>
>>>> I did try the guitar when I was a teenager, the strings on a guitar
>>>> are much stiffer than a Uke.
>>>
>>

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/7/2014 5:11 PM, Leon wrote:
>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>
>> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
>> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>>
>> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
>> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
>> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
>> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
>> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
>> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
>> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
>> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>>
>>
>> Empty
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>>
>>
>> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
>> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is
>> a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>> Right View
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
>
> Nicely engineered and flawlessly executed. I really like the job you did on the top.
>
> Well done, all 'round, by Bubba Da Vinci. ;)


Thank you, thank you da' Bubba Brother!

<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, 8 April 2014 15:46:16 UTC+1, Leon wrote:
>
>> LOL No, that is a dongle.
>
> Ha! I was gonna say...!

Well, actually it almost acts like an ignition key. There are procedures
that you can't do unless it is plugged in.

On 4/8/2014 6:52 AM, G. Ross wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>
>> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
>> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>>
> Super Job! I know she is happy with it. What is the charge for all
> that? Is she gonna make you a custom quilted cover for the SawStop?
>
>

Thank you. The quilt idea for the tools is not a bad idea. ;~)

On 4/8/2014 4:56 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it
>> is complete and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> Nice job as always. Bet you are in like Flynn with ther missus, huh :)
>


Thank you! Yeah I need to take advantage soon though. LOL

Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:

>> Can you play a guitar, Leon? I can totally understand not wanted to
>> build a guitar I didn't want to play.
>> For a player, I think the concept of building your own instrument is very attractive.
>
> No. I played a ukulele when I was a kid but having chopped of half of my
> left thumb would probably make learning to play a guitar difficult for a
> right hander.

Didn't stop Django. ;)

http://www.openculture.com/2012/08/django_reinhardt_and_the_inspiring_story_behind_his_guitar_technique.html

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On 4/9/2014 9:20 PM, Gray_Wolf wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
> guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.
>

Thank you Gary, No, I have not done much of anything except cabinets and
furniture.

On 4/7/2014 5:11 PM, Leon wrote:
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>
> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>
>
> Empty
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>
>
> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is
> a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>
>
> Right View
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/

Nicely engineered and flawlessly executed. I really like the job you did
on the top.

Well done, all 'round, by Bubba Da Vinci. ;)

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On 4/10/2014 6:24 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> On 4/9/2014 9:20 PM, Gray_Wolf wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>>>>>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>>>> Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
>>>>> guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.
>>>>>
>>>> Thank you Gary, No, I have not done much of anything except cabinets
>>>> > and furniture.
>>> Can you play a guitar, Leon? I can totally understand not wanted to
>>> build a guitar I didn't want to play.
>>> For a player, I think the concept of building your own instrument is
>>> very attractive.
>> No. I played a ukulele when I was a kid but having chopped of half of my
>> left thumb would probably make learning to play a guitar difficult for a
>> right hander.
> I don't think that's true. Lighter strings would be easier to push down
> too. What might be difficult is "finding the time".
> The first couple of months can be slow going. So, it you are not going
> to play guitar, at least don't blame it on your thumb.
> I bet Swingman would be glad to help too. He might have you on stage in
> a few weeks! : )
>
> Bill
>


IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
string/strings. At least I did with my Uke.

I did try the guitar when I was a teenager, the strings on a guitar are
much stiffer than a Uke.

On 4/11/2014 10:03 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 4/11/14, 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric bass
>> ... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom ends, and
>> making them move. ;)
>>
>
> Bass players are always such pervs. :-p

Bofus have to be ... drummers and bass players only get to see the chick
singers from behind.

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On 4/8/2014 9:27 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, 7 April 2014 23:11:39 UTC+1, Leon wrote:
>
>> Right View
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
>
> Has that machine on the right got an ignition key?!
>
> :-)
>


LOL No, that is a dongle.

On 4/12/2014 6:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>
>>
>> Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
>> finishing technique to get that great consistent look?
>>
>
> Leon always uses OSB with a skim coat of Tightbond II mixed with sawdust for
> a filler. He follows that up with nothing less than Home Depot's best latex
> paint - rolled on, of course.
>

LOL, I was just thinking of announcing phase III of the sewing room,
the wall cabinets. OSB of course.

On 4/12/2014 6:01 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Right View
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
>>
>> Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
>> finishing technique to get that great consistent look?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.
> Baltic birch for the drawers.
>
> Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the
> same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top
> coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"
> foam roller for the wide panels.
>
> http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/catalog/proclassic-alkyd-interior-enamel/?referringCategory=interior-paint-coatings/paint/
>
>
> and
>
> http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/catalog/multipurpose-primer/?referringCategory=interior-paint-coatings/primers/
>


Make that a 3" sash brush.

On 4/9/2014 5:23 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:46:16 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> Has that machine on the right got an ignition key?!
>
>> LOL No, that is a dongle.
>
> A dongle that can connect to what? A computer, some other accessory or
> maybe something else?
>


This particular machine is an embroidery machine. The dongle is used to
store embroidery patterns and to calculate stitches needed and where on
the x,y grid, and to calculate which stitches are what color.

The display on the right side of the machine is for entering the
resulting size that you want and to display real time a progress report
on the stitching, and a display of the finished pattern.

The dongle is initially plugged into a computer to receive pattern data
for an embroidery design down loaded from the internet. It also
receives data from a computer program for deciding "IIRC" resolution and
stitch colors for a particular design.

The above explanation is how I understood the explanation from my wife.
Any information given to me beyond that is somewhere in my brain's
corrupt FAT.

On 4/12/2014 10:44 AM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Ok, a bit or research has revealed to me that an acoustical guitar is
>> not necessarily a classic or steel string guitar. Knowing little about
>> either as previously stated I assumed that a traditional looking, non
>> electric guitar, was both classical and acoustical. I assumed that
>> both came in both nylon and steel string varieties. I now stand
>> corrected..
>
> Thanks Leon. The only thing I'll add is that since they can be built
> lighter, the price of a starter "classical" nylon string guitar
> can be less than its corresponding one with steel strings. It just
> depends what you want. I bought a new electric guitar
> and amp and never really warmed up to it at all. I didn't find it
> "relaxing" to play to me like acoustic. If you want to try
> "Amazing Grace", and "Country Roads (John Denver)", you can be up and
> running pretty fast. Anyway, that's what
> I started with.
>
> Bill
>


I think I would be more inclined with Def Leopard or Twisted Sister
style music. :~0 OMG!

On 4/7/2014 6:11 PM, Leon wrote:
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>
> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>
>
> Empty
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>
>
> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is
> a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>
>
> Right View
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
Nice, so I guess you had no problem then with the saw stop ... she's got
you beat on those two tiny machines.. Your big iron at least has some
mass... :-)

Nice work.

--
Jeff

On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:
>>
>>
>> Right View
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
>
> Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your finishing technique to get that great consistent look?
>
> Thanks.
>

Thank you.

Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.
Baltic birch for the drawers.

Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the
same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top
coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"
foam roller for the wide panels.

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/catalog/proclassic-alkyd-interior-enamel/?referringCategory=interior-paint-coatings/paint/

and

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/catalog/multipurpose-primer/?referringCategory=interior-paint-coatings/primers/

On 04/10/2014 07:48 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do you
> actually play a guitar?

Some years back, Richy Furey did a concert here. He tuned his guitar a
half step low (maybe to match his vocal range?), and would just capo up
if he needed to.

One can also, of course, use light gauge strings instead of medium or
heavy gauge...

...Kevin
--
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Juneau, Alaska
http://www.alaska.net/~atftb
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- Lawrence Summers

On 4/10/2014 8:12 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 4/10/2014 6:24 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/9/2014 9:20 PM, Gray_Wolf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is
>>>>>>>> complete
>>>>>>>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>>>>>> Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
>>>>>>> guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Gary, No, I have not done much of anything except cabinets
>>>>>> > and furniture.
>>>>> Can you play a guitar, Leon? I can totally understand not wanted to
>>>>> build a guitar I didn't want to play.
>>>>> For a player, I think the concept of building your own instrument is
>>>>> very attractive.
>>>> No. I played a ukulele when I was a kid but having chopped of half
>>>> of my
>>>> left thumb would probably make learning to play a guitar difficult
>>>> for a
>>>> right hander.
>>> I don't think that's true. Lighter strings would be easier to push down
>>> too. What might be difficult is "finding the time".
>>> The first couple of months can be slow going. So, it you are not going
>>> to play guitar, at least don't blame it on your thumb.
>>> I bet Swingman would be glad to help too. He might have you on stage in
>>> a few weeks! : )
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>
>>
>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>> string/strings.
> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
> it's absolutely not required.
> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
> Classical guitar strings may require
> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
> much less tension.

Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do you
actually play a guitar?






>
>> At least I did with my Uke.
>>
>> I did try the guitar when I was a teenager, the strings on a guitar
>> are much stiffer than a Uke.
>

On Wednesday, 9 April 2014 14:35:03 UTC+1, Leon wrote:

> This particular machine is an embroidery machine. The dongle is used to
> store embroidery patterns and to calculate stitches needed and where on
> the x,y grid, and to calculate which stitches are what color.

That is very cool! :-)

On Tuesday, 8 April 2014 15:46:16 UTC+1, Leon wrote:

> LOL No, that is a dongle.

Ha! I was gonna say...!

On 4/11/2014 7:52 AM, Leon wrote:
> Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
> down to the close up of the strings.
>
> http://artisanguitars.com/collings-om3-adirondack-spruce-and-indian-rosewood-with-41-style-appointments/


Here's Linda's actual 1977 Collings guitar, featured in a "Serious
Guitars" ad in 'Guitar Player' magazine a few years back:

https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff?noredirect=1#6001024769299621794

She does let me fondle it on occasion, but not as much as when we were
younger and playing together a lot. ;)

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On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:46:16 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> Has that machine on the right got an ignition key?!

>LOL No, that is a dongle.

A dongle that can connect to what? A computer, some other accessory or
maybe something else?

On 4/11/2014 4:07 AM, Bill wrote:
> Yes, I can play a guitar. I'm an amateur. Not a pro, like Swingman.

Bzzzt ... I can guarantee you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you play
better guitar than I do. :)

Never more than a mediocre guitar player at best, at one time 'fair to
middlin' with Travis style and Blues finger picking; good enough on
rhythm to not embarrass myself onstage (mainly because I loved chords
and learned a bunch so I could play what we called "sock" guitar,
backing up fiddle players when I was younger), and always absolutely
terrible at playing leads.

Actually played much better 5 string banjo than guitar, but my chops are
long gone on both guitar and banjo these days. (noticed that guitars are
now smart enough to turn red with embarrassment, in their stands, when
they see me coming these days).

Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric bass
... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom ends, and
making them move. ;)

BTW, Mike Marlow is a good guitar player and songwriter, if you didn't
know that.

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Leon wrote:
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>
Super Job! I know she is happy with it. What is the charge for all
that? Is she gonna make you a custom quilted cover for the SawStop?


--
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 If at first you do succeed, try not 
 to look astonished. 

On 4/7/14, 5:11 PM, Leon wrote:
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and
> the soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>
> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the
> shorter 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt
> it best to make the top into two sections, split in half front to
> back. The gap is hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom
> and 5 Domino tenons, on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves
> together and in registration to each other. The front and back
> apron/bridges are attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts
> threaded into eight threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>
>
> Empty
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/
>
>
> Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
> simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the
> right is a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/
>
>
> Right View
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/


Gorgeous as usual! Those sewing machines are a lot like woodworking
tools and musical instruments. You can *really* tell the difference in
quality and performance in the expensive ones.


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Quite a nice project, and well thought out.
john

"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)

The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.

The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.


Empty

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703016725/


Left View with $5k worth of sewing machines, The one on the left is
simply a HD Viking Husqvarna sewing machine and the one on the right is
a Husqvarna Topaz embroidery machine.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703368684/in/photostream/


Right View

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it
> is complete and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)

Nice job as always. Bet you are in like Flynn with ther missus, huh :)

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Leon wrote:
> On 4/9/2014 9:20 PM, Gray_Wolf wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>
>> Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
>> guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.
>>
>
> Thank you Gary, No, I have not done much of anything except cabinets
> and furniture.

Can you play a guitar, Leon? I can totally understand not wanted to
build a guitar I didn't want to play.
For a player, I think the concept of building your own instrument is
very attractive.

Leon wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/9/2014 9:20 PM, Gray_Wolf wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>>>>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>>> Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
>>>> guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.
>>>>
>>> Thank you Gary, No, I have not done much of anything except cabinets > and furniture.
>> Can you play a guitar, Leon? I can totally understand not wanted to
>> build a guitar I didn't want to play.
>> For a player, I think the concept of building your own instrument is very attractive.
> No. I played a ukulele when I was a kid but having chopped of half of my
> left thumb would probably make learning to play a guitar difficult for a
> right hander.
I don't think that's true. Lighter strings would be easier to push down
too. What might be difficult is "finding the time".
The first couple of months can be slow going. So, it you are not going
to play guitar, at least don't blame it on your thumb.
I bet Swingman would be glad to help too. He might have you on stage in
a few weeks! : )

Bill

Leon wrote:
> On 4/10/2014 6:24 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 4/9/2014 9:20 PM, Gray_Wolf wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is
>>>>>>> complete
>>>>>>> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>>>>>> Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
>>>>>> guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Gary, No, I have not done much of anything except cabinets
>>>>> > and furniture.
>>>> Can you play a guitar, Leon? I can totally understand not wanted to
>>>> build a guitar I didn't want to play.
>>>> For a player, I think the concept of building your own instrument is
>>>> very attractive.
>>> No. I played a ukulele when I was a kid but having chopped of half
>>> of my
>>> left thumb would probably make learning to play a guitar difficult
>>> for a
>>> right hander.
>> I don't think that's true. Lighter strings would be easier to push down
>> too. What might be difficult is "finding the time".
>> The first couple of months can be slow going. So, it you are not going
>> to play guitar, at least don't blame it on your thumb.
>> I bet Swingman would be glad to help too. He might have you on stage in
>> a few weeks! : )
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
>
> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
> string/strings.
To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
it's absolutely not required.
Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
Classical guitar strings may require
less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
much less tension.


> At least I did with my Uke.
>
> I did try the guitar when I was a teenager, the strings on a guitar
> are much stiffer than a Uke.

>>>
>>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>>> string/strings.
>> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
>> it's absolutely not required.
>> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
>> Classical guitar strings may require
>> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
>> much less tension.
>
> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do
> you actually play a guitar?
>
>

Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension. In fact, if
you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break it (so I
hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension. Yes, I
can play a guitar. I'm an amateur. Not a pro, like Swingman. I think
the invention of the Internet took away alot of the time I used to spend
at guitar. There are alot of different guitar playing styles. If you
could be content learning chords for some folk or country songs it
wouldn't take too long. I'm sure you can get all of the advise you
need here if you ask. The first thing you would need to decide is where
the "time" is going to come from. I think it's generally accepted that
1/2 hour per day will work, but it takes me half that long just to get
"warmed up".

"Angie.. Angie.. when will those clouds all disappear?
Angie, Angie, where will it lead us from here?
With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
You can't say we're satisfied
But Angie, Angie, you can't say we never tried..



...867-5309... Jenny Jenny, who can I turn to?
(I learned my "barre chords" on that one... : ) )

Bill


>
>
>
>
>>
>>> At least I did with my Uke.
>>>
>>> I did try the guitar when I was a teenager, the strings on a guitar
>>> are much stiffer than a Uke.
>>
>

Bill wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>>>> string/strings.
>>> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
>>> it's absolutely not required.
>>> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
>>> Classical guitar strings may require
>>> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung
>>> under
>>> much less tension.
>>
>> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do
>> you actually play a guitar?
>>
>>
>
> Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension. In fact, if
> you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break it (so I
> hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension. Yes,
> I can play a guitar. I'm an amateur. Not a pro, like Swingman. I
> think the invention of the Internet took away alot of the time I used
> to spend at guitar. There are alot of different guitar playing
> styles. If you could be content learning chords for some folk or
> country songs it wouldn't take too long. I'm sure you can get all of
> the advise you need here if you ask. The first thing you would need
> to decide is where the "time" is going to come from. I think it's
> generally accepted that 1/2 hour per day will work, but it takes me
> half that long just to get "warmed up".

This one sounds just like me! ; )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An2a1_Do_fc

I remember walking down the street playing it A cappella
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> At least I did with my Uke.
>>>>
>>>> I did try the guitar when I was a teenager, the strings on a guitar
>>>> are much stiffer than a Uke.
>>>
>>
>

On 4/11/14, 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
> Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric bass
> ... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom ends, and
> making them move. ;)
>

Bass players are always such pervs. :-p


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On 4/11/2014 8:52 AM, Leon wrote:
> Actually they have steel string too.
>
>
> In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break
> it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.
>
> I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly am, but
> do know you are doing a lot of guessing.:-(
>
> Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
> down to the close up of the strings.
>
> http://artisanguitars.com/collings-om3-adirondack-spruce-and-indian-rosewood-with-41-style-appointments/

I'm pretty sure that the "metallic-looking" strings on a nylon-string
guitar are a nylon core with some sort of metal wound around it. They
were on the one nylon-string guitar I ever owned, anyway. That metal is
likely there to add mass, but it's the nylon that is the source of the
tension, which I believe is lower than that of steel strings.



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Swingman wrote:

>
> BTW, Mike Marlow is a good guitar player and songwriter, if you didn't
> know that.

Geezus - thanks Karl! I consider myself something of a hack - sort of a
mediocre kind of thing. I like playing and writing, but never expected
anyone to call what I do "good". Now I need to get down to Houston - gotta
go where my freakin' fans are...

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Swingman wrote:
> On 4/11/2014 10:03 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 4/11/14, 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric
>>> bass ... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom
>>> ends, and making them move. ;)
>>>
>>
>> Bass players are always such pervs. :-p
>
> Bofus have to be ... drummers and bass players only get to see the
> chick singers from behind.

Consider yerself lucky. Us guitar players get to see what they look like
when their false teeth fall out, their fake eye lashes come un-glued, and
god-forbid, when they pull their damned shirts up...

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Leon wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>>>>> string/strings.
>>>> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique. So,
>>>> it's absolutely not required.
>>>> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
>>>> Classical guitar strings may require
>>>> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung under
>>>> much less tension.
>>> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do >
>>> you actually play a guitar?
>>>
>>>
>> Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
> Actually they have steel string too.
>
>
> In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break
> it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of tension.
>
> I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly am, but
> do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(

I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several
types of guitar strings.
Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
labels and alloys, I suppose.

I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:

A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179
lbs (81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.

A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a
guitar.

-- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two
different instruments.

And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look
it up, or ask Swingman.

Bill



>
> Take a look here, this is the brand guitar that Linda Lowe owns. Scroll
> down to the close up of the strings.
>
> http://artisanguitars.com/collings-om3-adirondack-spruce-and-indian-rosewood-with-41-style-appointments/
>
> Regardless, Most of what I build I never use, I would not have a problem
> with building a guitar and not using it.. I would have a problem with
> building something that resembled a guitar and sounded terrible. I highly
> suspect that knowing how to play a guitar would be instrumental in building
> one that might be at least a cut above average.
>
>
>

Kevin Miller wrote:
> On 04/10/2014 07:48 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do you
>> actually play a guitar?
>
> Some years back, Richy Furey did a concert here. He tuned his guitar
> a half step low (maybe to match his vocal range?), and would just capo
> up if he needed to.
>
> One can also, of course, use light gauge strings instead of medium or
> heavy gauge...

For my own entertainment, I use light strings and I don't bring my
strings all the way up to pitch, so I can bend them easier (that would
be a problem playing as part of a group).
As everyone here knows, putting your fingers in the right place at the
right time
is one thing, but sounding good is all about the nuances that no one can
see. And even the player making those nuances is making half of them
subconsciously.

I pulled out my guitar in December and tried to play a song I hadn't
played in a numbers of years ("Windy & Warm", one of my few strongest
pieces). And though I had totally forgotten it, my fingers slowly
remembered it with an hour and a half of coaxing (which included
listening to the recording). Especially the next day.

I subscribed to "Finger Style Guitar" magazine for a couple of years.
And maybe I was able to eek one piece from every-other issue. "As a
friend says, it's not how good you are, it's how much you like it."
Just like woodworking, huh? Just like a lot of things. Sex, for
instance.. ; )

Bill



>
> ...Kevin

On 4/11/14, 1:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/11/2014 10:03 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 4/11/14, 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Mostly a bass player by trade, playing both upright and electric bass
>>> ... I do love tickling your wives and girlfriend's bottom ends, and
>>> making them move. ;)
>>>
>>
>> Bass players are always such pervs. :-p
>
> Bofus have to be ... drummers and bass players only get to see the chick
> singers from behind.
>

You saw the pics from that last chick group I played for, right? :-D


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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Leon wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ok, a bit or research has revealed to me that an acoustical guitar is
> not necessarily a classic or steel string guitar. Knowing little about
> either as previously stated I assumed that a traditional looking, non
> electric guitar, was both classical and acoustical. I assumed that
> both came in both nylon and steel string varieties. I now stand
> corrected..

Thanks Leon. The only thing I'll add is that since they can be built
lighter, the price of a starter "classical" nylon string guitar
can be less than its corresponding one with steel strings. It just
depends what you want. I bought a new electric guitar
and amp and never really warmed up to it at all. I didn't find it
"relaxing" to play to me like acoustic. If you want to try
"Amazing Grace", and "Country Roads (John Denver)", you can be up and
running pretty fast. Anyway, that's what
I started with.

Bill

Michael wrote:

>
> Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
> finishing technique to get that great consistent look?
>

Leon always uses OSB with a skim coat of Tightbond II mixed with sawdust for
a filler. He follows that up with nothing less than Home Depot's best latex
paint - rolled on, of course.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Leon wrote:
> On 4/12/2014 6:15 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Michael wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
>>> finishing technique to get that great consistent look?
>>>
>>
>> Leon always uses OSB with a skim coat of Tightbond II mixed with
>> sawdust for a filler. He follows that up with nothing less than
>> Home Depot's best latex paint - rolled on, of course.
>>
>
> LOL, I was just thinking of announcing phase III of the sewing room,
> the wall cabinets. OSB of course.

And of course, you're planning on covering over that ugly sheetrock with a
durable OSB, filled and flattened as well - right?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 4/12/14, 6:01 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/12/2014 4:56 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Right View
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/13703040283/in/photostream/
>>
>> Looks terrific! What kind of wood did you use and what was your
>> finishing technique to get that great consistent look?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Poplar for the solid wood and paint grade maple plywood for the panels.
> Baltic birch for the drawers.
>
> Green Paint. ;~) Sherwin Williams Pro Classic Oil based on top of the
> same brand primer, presanded before primer and after primer then the top
> coat. Wooster 4" sash brush for cutting in and for drawer fronts. 4"
> foam roller for the wide panels.
>
> http://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/catalog/proclassic-alkyd-interior-enamel/?referringCategory=interior-paint-coatings/paint/
>

That's what I use on built-ins. Probably from your recommendation at
one time. :-)


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-MIKE-

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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 06:16:23 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>No. I played a ukulele when I was a kid but having chopped of half of my
>left thumb would probably make learning to play a guitar difficult for a
>right hander.

Well, you could learn to play with your teeth. Note: He is not using
any thumbs to do much. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrL5APQHMxY

On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 17:11:39 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
>and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)

Leon your your work is beyond fantastic!! Have you ever built fine
guitars? I'll bet you could be a world class luthier.

On 4/7/2014 6:11 PM, Leon wrote:
> 3 weeks after buying the materials for the sewing desk it is complete
> and ready for my wife to clutter up. ;~)
>
> The only thing real fancy is the joinery, which you cannot see, and the
> soft close 24" full extension soft close drawer slides.
>
> The desk top is approximately 97" x 30" total. Because of the shorter
> 8' ceilings and hair pin turn at the top of the stairs I felt it best to
> make the top into two sections, split in half front to back. The gap is
> hardly noticeable. Two draw latches on the bottom and 5 Domino tenons,
> on the mating edges of the tops hold the halves together and in
> registration to each other. The front and back apron/bridges are
> attached to the end cabinets with 5/16" bolts threaded into eight
> threaded inserts on the sides of both cabinets.
>

Nice. I was able to peek without my wife seeing it. She only has one
Viking machine.

On 4/11/2014 11:31 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/11/2014 6:23 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> IIRC some of the chords require a thumb to wrap around and press the
>>>>>>> string/strings.
>>>>>> To many, using the thumb that way is considered poor technique.
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>> it's absolutely not required.
>>>>>> Strings on an electric guitar are probably easiest to push down.
>>>>>> Classical guitar strings may require
>>>>>> less force to hold them down, I'm not sure; I know they are strung
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> much less tension.
>>>>> Ummm how do you tune the guitar correctly if under less tension? Do >
>>>>> you actually play a guitar?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension.
>>> Actually they have steel string too.
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably
>>> break
>>> it (so I hear), because they are not made for the same amount of
>>> tension.
>>>
>>> I think you might be in a bit over your head here Bill, I certainly
>>> am, but
>>> do know you are doing a lot of guessing. :-(
>>
>> I don't think I am doing so much guessing as you might think. I am not
>> sure what you want me to see at your link below. There are several
>> types of guitar strings.
>> Even many several sizes within a particular type, and a dozen different
>> labels and alloys, I suppose.
>>
>> I found this online (in several places) to corroborate what I was saying:
>>
>> A typical set of regular-gauge steel acoustic guitar strings puts 179
>> lbs (81.3kg) of tension on a guitar.
>>
>> A typical set of nylon strings puts 83.6 lbs (37.9kg) of tension on a
>> guitar.
>>
>> -- So steel strings put much more tension on a guitar. Did I claim
>> anything more? A classical guitar and a steel string guitar are two
>> different instruments.
>>
>> And to a classical player, holding strings down with the thumb is
>> considered poor technique (it impairs the reach of your fingers)--look
>> it up, or ask Swingman.
>
> I was simply pointing out that there are/can be steel strings on a
> standard/non electric guitar. The link I provided plus the mention to
> scroll down to the picture showing the steel strings on the classical
> guitar was to show you that this is true.
>
> You said, Classical guitars have nylon strings, thus lower tension. In
> fact, if you put steel strings on a classical, you'll probably break it
> (so I hear).
>
> I really don't care one way or another. I am absolutely not interested
> in playing or building a guitar. I am not an expert, not even close to
> very knowledgeable about a guitar. So when you referred that classical
> guitars have nylon, not steel strings, it seemed to me that you were
> guessing.
>
>

And just as a last comment, the link below points to a randomly picked
set of strings for an acoustical guitar.

This particular set has no non-metallic strings.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ernie-Ball-2008-Earthwood-80-20-Bronze-Rock-and-Blues-Acoustic-Guitar-Strings-6-Pack-582161-i1447197.gc