Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better
light.
This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end. I
went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
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In article <[email protected]>, Greg Guarino
<[email protected]> wrote:
> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
Rule 1: Nothing in a house is flat, plumb, or level.
;-)
Very nice piece. Great lines, and if the finish is close to your photo
I like the color a lot.
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In article <[email protected]>, Ed
Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Get a tape graduated in 16ths and you won't see that 32nd.
+1
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Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/14/2014 7:48 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better
>> light.
>>
>
> Nice work. Get a tape graduated in 16ths and you won't see that 32nd. I
> can't see it from here.
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better light.
>
> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end. I
> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I figured
> 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>
> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>
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Great job Greg. If the unit rocks and you are going to leave it there,
double stick tape a small shim on the bottom of one of the legs. AND.
Put a cover on that outlet. :-)
On 12/14/2014 7:48 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
>
> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better
> light.
>
> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end. I
> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
> figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>
> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>
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Nice job, and yes most floors are not level. I too have gone to great
pains, only to find out that the floor was out.
BTW cover that outlet with a cover.. your work looks too nice to have
that be a distraction.
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On 12/15/2014 9:56 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> I figured there'd be some leveling to do, but I was surprised to see how
> much. One of the legs is fully 3/8" off the floor. What's surprising is
> how inconspicuous that is when viewed from a normal adult head height.
Happens more often than not.
This 70" long, six legged, bench would not have survived the first
seating if these two end legs had not been shimmed as you see in this photo:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6093194284736647618
Although all six legs sit perfectly flat on a flat surface, it cries for
leg levelers as a practical matter, just never got around to it, and
probably never will.
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On 12/14/2014 7:48 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
>
> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better
> light.
>
Nice work. Get a tape graduated in 16ths and you won't see that 32nd. I
can't see it from here.
On 12/16/2014 9:23 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> That's a handsome piece. How are the seat slats fastened? Regular
> mortise and tenon?
LOL, thanks, bit it is ugly as a mud fence, but utilitarian from the
word go. Only a bench would suffice in that location, so functionality
was the only concern:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopMissionBarStool?noredirect=1#5836719778850645682
Entire piece is old fashioned M&T joinery. The structural joinery is pinned:
http://e-woodshop.net/Projects6.htm
Judging from the dates, it has been in use ten years now.
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Greg Guarino wrote:
> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>
>
> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better
> light.
>
> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end.
> I went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools
> and skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a
> decent job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully
> checked for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one
> leg. I figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>
> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that
> floor out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place
> anyway.
>
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Nice job! I don't know if you put any sort of feet under the legs, but
you can probably find some that are adjustable.
Bill
Leon wrote:
> Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and
>> glue.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in
>> better light.
>>
>> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very
>> end. I
>> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools
>> and
>> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a
>> decent
>> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully
>> checked
>> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
>> figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>>
>> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that
>> floor
>> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>>
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> Great job Greg. If the unit rocks and you are going to leave it
> there, double stick tape a small shim on the bottom of one of the
> legs. AND. Put a cover on that outlet. :-)
I agree Greg - nice job.
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On 12/14/2014 8:09 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 12/14/2014 7:48 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>>
>>
>> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better
>> light.
>>
>> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end. I
>> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
>> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
>> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
>> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
>> figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>>
>> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
>> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>>
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> Nice job, and yes most floors are not level. I too have gone to great
> pains, only to find out that the floor was out.
> BTW cover that outlet with a cover.. your work looks too nice to have
> that be a distraction.
>
Yeah, I figured that you guys would comment on that. Some years ago I
replaced all of the outlets in the house, except that one, which has
until recently been inaccessible behind a piece of furniture. Once the
second unit is built, I'll redistribute the contents and cover the
outlet too. Thanks for the kind words.
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On 12/14/2014 8:35 PM, Bill wrote:
> Greg Guarino wrote:
>> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>>
>>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>>
>>
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better
>> light.
>>
>> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end.
>> I went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools
>> and skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a
>> decent job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully
>> checked for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one
>> leg. I figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>>
>> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that
>> floor out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place
>> anyway.
>>
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>
> Nice job! I don't know if you put any sort of feet under the legs, but
> you can probably find some that are adjustable.
>
> Bill
I considered that, but didn't have them on hand. The "legs" consist of a
1x3 and a 1x2 fastened at a right angle. I screwed pieces of 1x2 into
the corners of three of the legs, extending to the proper height for
each. The "rocking" wasn't the only problem. Fixing that still left the
top visibly out of level (due to the floor). That's why I needed to
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On 12/15/2014 4:54 AM, Leon wrote:
> Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and glue.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>
>> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in better light.
>>
>> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end. I
>> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
>> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
>> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
>> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I figured
>> 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>>
>> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
>> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>>
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> Great job Greg. If the unit rocks and you are going to leave it there,
> double stick tape a small shim on the bottom of one of the legs. AND.
> Put a cover on that outlet. :-)
>
As I mentioned in another reply, "rocking" wasn't the only problem. The
floor evidently slopes up pretty badly as it nears the wall. So I needed
to "shim" three legs.
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On 12/15/2014 6:51 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Well, *one* unit anyway. The other still needs final assembly and
>>> glue.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/16023102502/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdguarino/15838043587/in/set-72157644207411490/lightbox/
>>>
>>> The photos aren't very high quality; I'll have to try again in
>>> better light.
>>>
>>> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very
>>> end. I
>>> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools
>>> and
>>> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a
>>> decent
>>> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully
>>> checked
>>> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
>>> figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>>>
>>> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that
>>> floor
>>> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>>>
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>> Great job Greg. If the unit rocks and you are going to leave it
>> there, double stick tape a small shim on the bottom of one of the
>> legs. AND. Put a cover on that outlet. :-)
>
> I agree Greg - nice job.
>
Thanks. Another relatively free day (ha!) should do it. Then I have to
decide what the next project will be.
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> On 12/14/2014 6:48 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> > This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end.
> > I
> > went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
> > skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
> > job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
> > for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
> > figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>
> Well done!
>
> > But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that
> > floor
> > out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>
> Just build eight chairs and see what happens. ;)
Maybe someday we will all wise up and make three legged chairs, those
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On 12/15/2014 7:57 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/14/2014 6:48 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end. I
>> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
>> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
>> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
>> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
>> figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
>
> Well done!
Thanks. Definitely my most complicated project so far.
>
>> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
>> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>
> Just build eight chairs and see what happens. ;)
Considering the fact that two shelf units composed mostly of right
angles took nearly six months, eight chairs would likely need to be
leveled to the floor in the rec room at the old-age home.
I have some vague pipe dreams about a larger, more permanent shop and
more efficient equipment. Oh, and the time to use it. Maybe someday.
Although I've added some new techniques with each project, I think
chairs of any kind are still a ways off. Having said that, it wasn't so
long ago that ago these shelf units would have seemed out of reach as well.
>
> Not necessarily on this unit, but on pieces of great width or depth, leg
> levelers of some type are pretty much mandatory.
>
I figured there'd be some leveling to do, but I was surprised to see how
much. One of the legs is fully 3/8" off the floor. What's surprising is
how inconspicuous that is when viewed from a normal adult head height.
On 12/15/2014 5:37 PM, Swingman wrote:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6093194284736647618
>
>
> Although all six legs sit perfectly flat on a flat surface, it cries for
> leg levelers as a practical matter, just never got around to it, and
> probably never will.
That's a handsome piece. How are the seat slats fastened? Regular
mortise and tenon?
On 12/16/2014 7:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/16/2014 9:23 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> That's a handsome piece. How are the seat slats fastened? Regular
>> mortise and tenon?
>
> LOL, thanks, bit it is ugly as a mud fence, but utilitarian from the
> word go. Only a bench would suffice in that location, so functionality
> was the only concern:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopMissionBarStool?noredirect=1#5836719778850645682
>
>
> Entire piece is old fashioned M&T joinery. The structural joinery is
> pinned:
>
> http://e-woodshop.net/Projects6.htm
>
> Judging from the dates, it has been in use ten years now.
>
As a city fella, I have inadequate experience with mud fences; it
doesn't sound complimentary though. But I am willing to bow to greater
aesthetic expertise. Please to ship the offending bench to my house. I
promise to shield you from further shame by claiming the ugly work as my
own.
Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 12/16/2014 7:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 12/16/2014 9:23 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>>> That's a handsome piece. How are the seat slats fastened? Regular
>>> mortise and tenon?
>>
>> LOL, thanks, bit it is ugly as a mud fence, but utilitarian from the
>> word go. Only a bench would suffice in that location, so
>> functionality was the only concern:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopMissionBarStool?noredirect=1#5836719778850645682
>>
>>
>> Entire piece is old fashioned M&T joinery. The structural joinery is
>> pinned:
>>
>> http://e-woodshop.net/Projects6.htm
>>
>> Judging from the dates, it has been in use ten years now.
>>
>
> As a city fella, I have inadequate experience with mud fences; it
> doesn't sound complimentary though. But I am willing to bow to greater
> aesthetic expertise. Please to ship the offending bench to my house. I
> promise to shield you from further shame by claiming the ugly work as
> my own.
??? Am I missing something here? (not like that is unlikely...)
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On 12/19/2014 10:10 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Greg Guarino
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
>> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
>
> Rule 1: Nothing in a house is flat, plumb, or level.
>
> ;-)
Yes, I have noticed that before. I wasn't expecting quite this much
adjustment though.
>
> Very nice piece. Great lines, and if the finish is close to your photo
> I like the color a lot.
The color rendition is not very good. I'll have to take a picture in
better light. Come to think of it, I may need to install better light in
the living room.
And so it begins ...
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On 12/14/2014 6:48 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> This hobby (woodworking) can bite you in the ass even at the very end. I
> went to great pains to make the unit stand straight. With my tools and
> skills, there's always a little bit of imprecision, but I did a decent
> job this time. Standing on a work surface that I had carefully checked
> for flatness there was a gap of less than a 32nd under one leg. I
> figured 50 pounds of books would even that out nicely.
Well done!
> But then I put the unit in its intended location and boy was that floor
> out of whack. So I ended up having to level the unit in place anyway.
Just build eight chairs and see what happens. ;)
Not necessarily on this unit, but on pieces of great width or depth, leg
levelers of some type are pretty much mandatory.
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On 12/16/2014 6:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 12/16/2014 9:23 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> That's a handsome piece. How are the seat slats fastened? Regular
>> mortise and tenon?
>
> LOL, thanks, bit it is ugly as a mud fence, but utilitarian from the
> word go.
Horse Hockey! You only think it is ugly because you remember that one
joint that does not fit as well as you wanted, but you can only see that
if you turn it upside down and shine a bright light in the dark corner. ;~)
Greg is right, damn handsome. And the fact that it still looks like it
did the first time I saw it in, IIRC, Dec 2004 is testament to the
design and draftsmanship.