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A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted referring =
to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more like 3/4 HP. =
Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been =
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On Jul 10, 7:35 am, "Rick Samuel" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for the input, and the relationship between amps, volts and HP
> "JeffB" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
> Like every one else has said, based on the amperage, it sounds like a
> real 2HP motor. Referencehttp://users.goldengate.net/~kbrady/motors.pdf
>
> Quick rule for estimating the real HP of single phase induction motors -
> the fixed speed motors used in table saws, jointers, lathes, drill
> presses, etc. At 120 V, it's about 10 amps per HP - at 240 V it's about
> 5 amps per HP. Note: any spec that says "peak" or "max" or "developed"
> HP is a lie.
> --
> JeffB
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>
> Rick Samuel wrote:
> > A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted referring
> > to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more like 3/4 HP.
> > Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been
> > thinking about getting that lathe for a while now.
The other thing to do is actually read the nameplate on the induction
motor. For example the old "3HP" crapsman saws said 1.5 HP on the
motor name plate. Of course what you get out of the motor may not be
what the nameplate says. But it's more likely the name plate data
was specified by manufacturing/engineering rather than marketing so
you'll likely be closer.
hex
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CW wrote:
> The motor must have a U.L. listing. They are resposponsible for ensuring
> that the manufacturers rating is correct.
>
Underwriters Laboratory is a private company, not an agency of the
government. Submission of a product to U.L. is -entirely- voluntary. The
penalty for not doing so is the lack of a U.L. Seal of Approval and
this may backfire on you in a product liability lawsuit.
"You pays your money and you takes your chances."
I didn't submit my lawn chairs to U.L. nor have I submitted my turned pens.
I think, if you are looking for truth in advertising / labeling, you'll
want to look to the Department of Commerce. Possibly under some law
there must be a declaration of the electrical characteristics of the
motor but submission to U.L. is, was, and likely always will be, voluntary.
Bill
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Like every one else has said, based on the amperage, it sounds like a
real 2HP motor. Reference http://users.goldengate.net/~kbrady/motors.pdf
Quick rule for estimating the real HP of single phase induction motors -
the fixed speed motors used in table saws, jointers, lathes, drill
presses, etc. At 120 V, it's about 10 amps per HP - at 240 V it's about
5 amps per HP. Note: any spec that says "peak" or "max" or "developed"
HP is a lie.
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Rick Samuel wrote:
> A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted referring
> to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more like 3/4 HP.
> Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been
> thinking about getting that lathe for a while now.
JDS Cyclone?
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Had to, it didn't do the job at all.
> Single bag; worked poorly with a clean bag, and then did almost nothing
> when it got a bit full.
>
> "TH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Did you get a new collector?
>> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Rick Samuel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted referring
>> to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more like 3/4 HP.
>> Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been thinking
>> about getting that lathe for a while now.
>>
>> It is 9.5a/240v, which is approximately 2hp. They often lie about HP,
>> but "usually" tell the truth about amperage since that is so easily
>> checked
>> So, unless the poster has a really good reason for his opinion, I would
>> say it is 2hp.
>>
>> (I did have a Penn State DC that claimed 16a, but actually measured 9a.
>> Everything else I have checked has been pretty accurate)
>>
>
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A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted =
referring to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more =
like 3/4 HP. Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? =
I've been thinking about getting that lathe for a while now.=20
It is 9.5a/240v, which is approximately 2hp. They often lie about HP, =
but "usually" tell the truth about amperage since that is so easily =
checked
So, unless the poster has a really good reason for his opinion, I would =
say it is 2hp.
(I did have a Penn State DC that claimed 16a, but actually measured 9a. =
Everything else I have checked has been pretty accurate)
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"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Rick Samuel wrote:
>> A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted
>> referring to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more
>> like 3/4 HP. Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration?
>> I've been thinking about getting that lathe for a while now.
>
> Since nobody has jumped on here, I'll make a comment -- I have never had a
> Griz (got everything I really wanted/needed long before there _was_ such a
> thing), but have looked extensively at the catalogs and haven't ever heard
> a really bad thing about anything of theirs since the earliest days. So,
> afaict they're ratings are reasonably accurate and their support/technical
> sales is rated as good. I'd suggest looking at the amps drawn if provided
> as a good corroboration and if not and still concerned, they have an 800
> number -- call 'em and ask.
>
> --
I looked at their telescoping gages and they are scrap metal. I would buy
most of their other machinist tools. I suspect that most of their
woodworking machinery is the same. I have personally went into the store in
Springfield and the machinery looks pretty good for the price.
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>They often lie about HP, but "usually" tell the truth about amperage
Being federal law might have a little to do with that.
The motor must have a U.L. listing. They are resposponsible for ensuring
that the manufacturers rating is correct.
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
> > "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > >They often lie about HP, but "usually" tell the truth about amperage
> >
> > Being federal law might have a little to do with that.
>
> OK, I'll bite... :) Which law is this of which you speak?
>
> --
Rick Samuel wrote:
> A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted
> referring to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more
> like 3/4 HP. Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration?
> I've been thinking about getting that lathe for a while now.
Since nobody has jumped on here, I'll make a comment -- I have never had
a Griz (got everything I really wanted/needed long before there _was_
such a thing), but have looked extensively at the catalogs and haven't
ever heard a really bad thing about anything of theirs since the
earliest days. So, afaict they're ratings are reasonably accurate and
their support/technical sales is rated as good. I'd suggest looking at
the amps drawn if provided as a good corroboration and if not and still
concerned, they have an 800 number -- call 'em and ask.
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CW wrote:
> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >They often lie about HP, but "usually" tell the truth about amperage
>
> Being federal law might have a little to do with that.
OK, I'll bite... :) Which law is this of which you speak?
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"JeffB" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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Like every one else has said, based on the amperage, it sounds like a=20
real 2HP motor. Reference =
http://users.goldengate.net/~kbrady/motors.pdf
Quick rule for estimating the real HP of single phase induction motors =
-=20
the fixed speed motors used in table saws, jointers, lathes, drill=20
presses, etc. At 120 V, it's about 10 amps per HP - at 240 V it's =
about=20
5 amps per HP. Note: any spec that says "peak" or "max" or "developed" =
HP is a lie.
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Rick Samuel wrote:
> A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted =
referring=20
> to Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more like 3/4 =
HP. =20
> Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been=20
> thinking about getting that lathe for a while now.
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wrote:
Say, Rick, wouldja mind turning the HTML off in your newsreader? This is what
your posts like in newsreaders that aren't HTML-aware: (scroll all the way
thru)
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>Thanks for the input, and the relationship between amps, volts and HP
> "JeffB" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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> Like every one else has said, based on the amperage, it sounds like a=20
> real 2HP motor. Reference =
>http://users.goldengate.net/~kbrady/motors.pdf
>
> Quick rule for estimating the real HP of single phase induction motors =
>-=20
> the fixed speed motors used in table saws, jointers, lathes, drill=20
> presses, etc. At 120 V, it's about 10 amps per HP - at 240 V it's =
>about=20
> 5 amps per HP. Note: any spec that says "peak" or "max" or "developed" =
>
> HP is a lie.
> --
> JeffB
> remove no.spam. to email
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>HP. =20
> > Is the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been=20
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It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Had to, it didn't do the job at all.
Single bag; worked poorly with a clean bag, and then did almost nothing when
it got a bit full.
"TH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Did you get a new collector?
> "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rick Samuel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted referring to
> Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more like 3/4 HP. Is
> the 2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been thinking
> about getting that lathe for a while now.
>
> It is 9.5a/240v, which is approximately 2hp. They often lie about HP, but
> "usually" tell the truth about amperage since that is so easily checked
> So, unless the poster has a really good reason for his opinion, I would
> say it is 2hp.
>
> (I did have a Penn State DC that claimed 16a, but actually measured 9a.
> Everything else I have checked has been pretty accurate)
>
Did you get a new collector?
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"Rick Samuel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
A few days ago someone asked about lathes. A link was posted referring to
Griz G0462. Then went on to say it's not 2 HP but more like 3/4 HP. Is the
2 HP listed on Griz site just an exaggeration? I've been thinking about
getting that lathe for a while now.
It is 9.5a/240v, which is approximately 2hp. They often lie about HP, but
"usually" tell the truth about amperage since that is so easily checked
So, unless the poster has a really good reason for his opinion, I would say
it is 2hp.
(I did have a Penn State DC that claimed 16a, but actually measured 9a.
Everything else I have checked has been pretty accurate)