It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
are the norm.
But this guy has it worked out for his cabinetmaking...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgwmV_qNr_Y>
using what appears to be a common Home Depot item, #I-IMCNAT,
as his chassis.
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:27:50 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 1/9/2015 10:59 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/8/2015 4:39 PM, whit3rd wrote:
>>> It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
>>> moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
>>> are the norm.
>>>
>>> But this guy has it worked out for his cabinetmaking...
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgwmV_qNr_Y>
>>>
>>> using what appears to be a common Home Depot item, #I-IMCNAT,
>>> as his chassis.
>>>
>>
>>
>> also on a smaller scale,
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omaAo--jAa8
>
>Neither are my preference.
>Especially the SNubs POC.
>
>Both seem a lot inconvienent.. but that's my opinion.
I don't see the point in a small shop. Mine is a lot larger (can take
the entire ~2000ft^2 basement, if I choose) so something like this may
make sense.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:m8pdfp$vvo$8
@dont-email.me:
>
> I'm still organizing shop. I've been waiting to see how things
> fall into place and how my workflow fits in.
>
> I'd be interested to hear how others organize/layout their shop.
> I like to cherry-pick the ones that make sense for how I work.
>
> One thing I've got is a retail-style shelf. The shelves are about
> 6" deep and 12" wide, height is adjustable. The entire unit is
> about 5' high and on a lazysusan. It holds a lot of stuff.
>
I found drawings of most of my tools on Sketchup (using similar ones if
something wasn't available, a 6" jointer isn't going to be much different
model-to-model), drew things like shelves, and then arranged everything
until I found a setup that worked.
Sometimes you can use infeed/outfeed space for multiple tools'
infeed/outfeed space. Othertimes you can line up dead space on the tool,
like the back of the jointer and side of the planer, to minimize the
amount of dead space.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:m8uk99$8fi$1
@dont-email.me:
> On 10 Jan 2015 04:31:43 GMT
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I found drawings of most of my tools on Sketchup (using similar ones
>> if something wasn't available, a 6" jointer isn't going to be much
>> different model-to-model), drew things like shelves, and then
>> arranged everything until I found a setup that worked.
>>
>> Sometimes you can use infeed/outfeed space for multiple tools'
>> infeed/outfeed space. Othertimes you can line up dead space on the
>> tool, like the back of the jointer and side of the planer, to
>> minimize the amount of dead space.
>
> I don't know sketchup, may have to look. Haven't finished the drywall
> yet so still in that stage of doing work and finishing the space.
>
> But I'm getting a better idea of where to put things as I go.
>
>
>
It's worth a look. It took me a couple hours to get to the point where I
was able to show someone something I sketched and discuss the details of
it. It won't be too long until you stop /using Sketchup/ and start
/drawing a thing/.
Plus the basic version (which does everything I need) is free.
Sometimes it's easier to design using 2D methods (Pen and paper, Visio)
then import or redraw into Sketchup 3D. If all you're doing is a floor
layout, the third dimension sometimes gets in the way.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 17:05:31 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:39:29 PM UTC-6, whit3rd wrote:
>> It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
>> moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
>> are the norm.
>
>
>For some reason you seem to have confused the difference between a mechanic/machine shop and a woodworking shop.
>
>Mechanic shops have numerous bays to work on the vehicles. And many people working in the shop. One might be a bay with a concrete floor. One bay with a pit where you drive the vehicle over the pit and the mechanic stands in the pit and works on the underside of the vehicle above. Another bay may have a lift where you drive onto the lift and raise the lift up in the air and the mechanic stands underneath the lift and works on the vehicle. And the mechanic shop may have several of each of these bays all with vehicles in them. And the mechanic moves his portable chest from bay to bay to work on vehicles. And as we all know, in mechanic shops, every mechanic has his own personal tools. No sharing of wrenches and sockets between numerous mechanics. Everyone owns his own tools and uses his own tools for handwork. Mechanic shops do have shared big tools or specialized tools.
>
>A home mechanic working in his garage shop does not need or use a moving tool chest because all the mechanic work occurs in one spot in the garage so all his tools can be in stationary chests and stay in the same spot.
Not buying that one. I have two "bays", each with two ends of a car.
I also prefer to have the tools out of the way when not in use.
>Woodworking shops have one work area where all the work comes to. The workbench. Not all the work occurs here of course. Wood is cut to size at the tablesaw or chopsaw. Planed and jointed at the planer and jointer. Holes drilled at the drillpress. Edges shaped at the shaper or router table. The wood has to move from one tool to the next. But lets say all the joints are cut at the workbench. And all handwork such as planing and cutting are done at the workbench. After the wood is shaped and sized at the various stationary tools, you take it to the workbench to cut joints. SO, WHY would you want or need mobile tools if all your work occurs in one spot? The workbench. In woodworking shops used by multiple people, the large stationary tools would be shared. The hand tools probably would not be shared and each person would have his own chisels and saws and planes. But most woodworking shops are individual in nature. One person owns and does all the work in them. No
>multiple people.
Not buying that one either. I have several "work stations" for
different purposes. Some tools, particularly drills, drivers, and
clamps, are commonly used in more than one area.
On 1/9/2015 10:59 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/8/2015 4:39 PM, whit3rd wrote:
>> It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
>> moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
>> are the norm.
>>
>> But this guy has it worked out for his cabinetmaking...
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgwmV_qNr_Y>
>>
>> using what appears to be a common Home Depot item, #I-IMCNAT,
>> as his chassis.
>>
>
>
> also on a smaller scale,
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omaAo--jAa8
Neither are my preference.
Especially the SNubs POC.
Both seem a lot inconvienent.. but that's my opinion.
--
Jeff
On 1/8/2015 4:39 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
> moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
> are the norm.
>
> But this guy has it worked out for his cabinetmaking...
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgwmV_qNr_Y>
>
> using what appears to be a common Home Depot item, #I-IMCNAT,
> as his chassis.
>
also on a smaller scale,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omaAo--jAa8
On 11 Jan 2015 21:36:37 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:m8uk99$8fi$1
>@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10 Jan 2015 04:31:43 GMT
>> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I found drawings of most of my tools on Sketchup (using similar ones
>>> if something wasn't available, a 6" jointer isn't going to be much
>>> different model-to-model), drew things like shelves, and then
>>> arranged everything until I found a setup that worked.
>>>
>>> Sometimes you can use infeed/outfeed space for multiple tools'
>>> infeed/outfeed space. Othertimes you can line up dead space on the
>>> tool, like the back of the jointer and side of the planer, to
>>> minimize the amount of dead space.
>>
>> I don't know sketchup, may have to look. Haven't finished the drywall
>> yet so still in that stage of doing work and finishing the space.
>>
>> But I'm getting a better idea of where to put things as I go.
>>
>>
>>
>
>It's worth a look. It took me a couple hours to get to the point where I
>was able to show someone something I sketched and discuss the details of
>it. It won't be too long until you stop /using Sketchup/ and start
>/drawing a thing/.
That's a key distinction with Sketchup. It wasn't until I "got" the
idea that it's a 3-D modeling tool, rather than a CAD program, that it
all sunk in.
>Plus the basic version (which does everything I need) is free.
>
>Sometimes it's easier to design using 2D methods (Pen and paper, Visio)
>then import or redraw into Sketchup 3D. If all you're doing is a floor
>layout, the third dimension sometimes gets in the way.
>
Sure. Sketchup is specifically designed to be a 3-D modeling program.
I've run into problems trying to force a 2-D layout.
On Thursday, January 8, 2015 at 4:39:29 PM UTC-6, whit3rd wrote:
> It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
> moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
> are the norm.
For some reason you seem to have confused the difference between a mechanic=
/machine shop and a woodworking shop.
Mechanic shops have numerous bays to work on the vehicles. And many people=
working in the shop. One might be a bay with a concrete floor. One bay w=
ith a pit where you drive the vehicle over the pit and the mechanic stands =
in the pit and works on the underside of the vehicle above. Another bay ma=
y have a lift where you drive onto the lift and raise the lift up in the ai=
r and the mechanic stands underneath the lift and works on the vehicle. An=
d the mechanic shop may have several of each of these bays all with vehicle=
s in them. And the mechanic moves his portable chest from bay to bay to wo=
rk on vehicles. And as we all know, in mechanic shops, every mechanic has =
his own personal tools. No sharing of wrenches and sockets between numerou=
s mechanics. Everyone owns his own tools and uses his own tools for handwo=
rk. Mechanic shops do have shared big tools or specialized tools.
A home mechanic working in his garage shop does not need or use a moving to=
ol chest because all the mechanic work occurs in one spot in the garage so =
all his tools can be in stationary chests and stay in the same spot.
Woodworking shops have one work area where all the work comes to. The work=
bench. Not all the work occurs here of course. Wood is cut to size at the=
tablesaw or chopsaw. Planed and jointed at the planer and jointer. Holes=
drilled at the drillpress. Edges shaped at the shaper or router table. T=
he wood has to move from one tool to the next. But lets say all the joints=
are cut at the workbench. And all handwork such as planing and cutting ar=
e done at the workbench. After the wood is shaped and sized at the various=
stationary tools, you take it to the workbench to cut joints. SO, WHY wou=
ld you want or need mobile tools if all your work occurs in one spot? The =
workbench. In woodworking shops used by multiple people, the large station=
ary tools would be shared. The hand tools probably would not be shared and=
each person would have his own chisels and saws and planes. But most wood=
working shops are individual in nature. One person owns and does all the w=
ork in them. No multiple people.
On 1/8/2015 5:39 PM, whit3rd wrote:
> It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
> moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
> are the norm.
>
> But this guy has it worked out for his cabinetmaking...
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgwmV_qNr_Y>
>
> using what appears to be a common Home Depot item, #I-IMCNAT,
> as his chassis.
>
While he has a much larger shop than I, it looks like he has his shop
set up as I have mine. Everything is on wheels, and can be rolled into
the best configuration to accomplish the task at hand.
While not as big, my workbench is on wheels. Under the workspace there
area two shelves for tools. In each end of the workbench there are two
cupboards where I keep frequently used tools.
The work bench was built to a height that allows me to use it as an out
feed table for my table saw. A
he workbench. (I make my wife's picture frames so do a lot of repetitive
cuts) Pick up the piece, make the cut, and place it down on the
workbench, without moving. Other times the work bench serves the same
purpose when using the drill press or bench grinder.
At other time it can be rolled in front of the car so every thing is
convenient when working on the car.
Since everything is on wheels, If I am working on large or long pieces,
I can back out the cars and move the saw and workbench to have the whole
garage to accommodate the pieces being worked on.
When my brother and I built a boat in the garage, we moved the saw and
workbench up next to the part of the boat we were working on.
It is a very convenient arrangement
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:39:26 -0800 (PST)
whit3rd <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's common in a machine shop for a workman to have a full toolbox he
> moves to his job (on a large stationary tool). Big rollaround carts
> are the norm.
I like that and I wish I had the room for it, it's too big for my space.
The idea of labeling is good. Even for a one man shop.
I am putting wheels on a metal cabinet I found for $2. The wheels cost
more than the cabinet.
I like mobile so I can rearrange as needed.
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 14:27:50 -0500
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Both seem a lot inconvienent.. but that's my opinion.
I'm still organizing shop. I've been waiting to see how things
fall into place and how my workflow fits in.
I'd be interested to hear how others organize/layout their shop.
I like to cherry-pick the ones that make sense for how I work.
One thing I've got is a retail-style shelf. The shelves are about
6" deep and 12" wide, height is adjustable. The entire unit is
about 5' high and on a lazysusan. It holds a lot of stuff.
On 10 Jan 2015 04:31:43 GMT
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
> I found drawings of most of my tools on Sketchup (using similar ones
> if something wasn't available, a 6" jointer isn't going to be much
> different model-to-model), drew things like shelves, and then
> arranged everything until I found a setup that worked.
>
> Sometimes you can use infeed/outfeed space for multiple tools'
> infeed/outfeed space. Othertimes you can line up dead space on the
> tool, like the back of the jointer and side of the planer, to
> minimize the amount of dead space.
I don't know sketchup, may have to look. Haven't finished the drywall
yet so still in that stage of doing work and finishing the space.
But I'm getting a better idea of where to put things as I go.
Electric Comet wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2015 04:31:43 GMT
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I found drawings of most of my tools on Sketchup (using similar ones
>> if something wasn't available, a 6" jointer isn't going to be much
>> different model-to-model), drew things like shelves, and then
>> arranged everything until I found a setup that worked.
>>
>> Sometimes you can use infeed/outfeed space for multiple tools'
>> infeed/outfeed space. Othertimes you can line up dead space on the
>> tool, like the back of the jointer and side of the planer, to
>> minimize the amount of dead space.
>
> I don't know sketchup, may have to look. Haven't finished the drywall
> yet so still in that stage of doing work and finishing the space.
>
> But I'm getting a better idea of where to put things as I go.
Sketchup is a great tool and there are many here who have great amounts of
wisdom in how to use it, but - it's a tool. It does not work the same way
for every mind and eye. Some of us do not get the same thing out of a
sketchup drawing as others do. Some of the things that sketchup is
recommended for are things that the common eye can envision, or a little
thought can devine. Look at your space, think about it, and if it's
confusing - well maybe a tool like sketchup might help, but it should not be
a run-to tool for simple planning and thoughts like this. Sometimes a tape
measure and a couple of hours of mulling through things is just as
effective;
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 1/11/2015 4:36 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:m8uk99$8fi$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10 Jan 2015 04:31:43 GMT
>> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I found drawings of most of my tools on Sketchup (using similar ones
>>> if something wasn't available, a 6" jointer isn't going to be much
>>> different model-to-model), drew things like shelves, and then
>>> arranged everything until I found a setup that worked.
>>>
>>> Sometimes you can use infeed/outfeed space for multiple tools'
>>> infeed/outfeed space. Othertimes you can line up dead space on the
>>> tool, like the back of the jointer and side of the planer, to
>>> minimize the amount of dead space.
>>
>> I don't know sketchup, may have to look. Haven't finished the drywall
>> yet so still in that stage of doing work and finishing the space.
>>
>> But I'm getting a better idea of where to put things as I go.
>>
>>
>>
>
> It's worth a look. It took me a couple hours to get to the point where I
> was able to show someone something I sketched and discuss the details of
> it. It won't be too long until you stop /using Sketchup/ and start
> /drawing a thing/.
>
> Plus the basic version (which does everything I need) is free.
>
> Sometimes it's easier to design using 2D methods (Pen and paper, Visio)
> then import or redraw into Sketchup 3D. If all you're doing is a floor
> layout, the third dimension sometimes gets in the way.
>
> Puckdropper
>
I don't use Shetchup much, and find the 3D effect is more of a hassle
than it is worth for the drawing that I do.
However the last time I used it I found that I could get a 2d drawing by
rotating the "Y" axis so it points directly at the user.
For quick rough drawings it is simpler to use a paper and a pencil.