R

19/02/2005 12:47 PM

*post 100* >> GOOD NEWS! - Over 2000 years ago Jesus Christ suffered and died on a cross and rose from the dead so that we can be forgiven of our sins(misdeeds) and have a home in Heaven when this life has ended. Most people just don't know how to ask Jesus Christ into their hearts. Heres how...

Good News!


Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven after this
life has ended?


The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth
in the person of Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and
died for our past, present and future sins(misdeeds).
He was born in the land of Israel supernaturally to a
virgin Jewish woman named Mary. He lived a sinless life
for thirty-three years and then sacrificed His sinless
blood and died on a cross to pay the death penalty for
our sins.


After Jesus died He rose from the dead three days later
as He said He would. The Holy Bible also tells us that
Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and that all who accept
Him as their Lord and Saviour will live forever with Him
in Heaven where there is no more death, sorrow, sickness
and pain.


The Holy Bible very clearly explains how simple it is
to be saved and on your way to Heaven, "For if you
confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe
in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you
WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)


You can be saved right now and on your way to Heaven if
you will open your heart to Jesus and pray the following
prayer:


Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have
a home in Heaven when I die. I agree with You that I am a
sinner. I believe You love me and want to save me. I
believe that You bled and died on the cross to pay the
penalty for my sins. I believe that You rose from the dead.
Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and be my
Lord and Saviour. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for
forgiving me and saving me through Your merciful grace.
Amen.


You are now a Christian if you said the prayer and allowed
God to save you. Welcome to the family of God.


If you decide to wait till later you may die before you get
another chance to be saved because none of us knows
exactly when we will die.

This means that if we die without trusting in Jesus Christ
as our Lord and Saviour we will be forever separated
from the love of God in a place called Hell. This place
called Hell is a place of eternal torment, suffering, pain
and agony for all those who reject Jesus Christ.

Choose Jesus Christ today and you will have peace in your
life now and forever.


Have a great day!
Internet Evangelist R.L. Grossi


Free Online Bible
http://www.biblegateway.com


Free Online Movies
http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html


Animation
http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/animations/walk/index.html


The Passion Of The Christ
http://www.ThePassionOfTheChrist.ch.tt


Beware Of Cults
http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm


About Hell
http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm


Is Jesus God?
http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html


This topic has 6 replies

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to [email protected] on 19/02/2005 12:47 PM

20/02/2005 1:05 AM

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:34:04 -0600, "SwampBug" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>>>but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by faith
>>>>ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is) should
>>>>know this.
>
>
>From the NKJV
>James 2:14
>[ Faith Without Works Is Dead ] [ Gen 22; Josh 2] What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

You need to take that in the total context of scripture, Swampbug. Works
are a fruit of faith and evidence that faith is present. The works
themselves have no value toward one's salvation. James's letter was
written to 2nd generation Christians in Jerusalem who were complacent and
were making the statement they had faith while their outward lives were
apparently showing otherwise. What James was showing that works were an
outwardly visible sign of internal saving faith. This interpretation is
consistent with the message in the Gospels and the other epistles.




+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Sw

"SwampBug"

in reply to [email protected] on 19/02/2005 12:47 PM

20/02/2005 12:34 AM

>>>but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by faith=20
>>>ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is) =
should=20
>>>know this.


From the NKJV
James 2:14
[ Faith Without Works Is Dead ] [ Gen 22; Josh 2] What does it profit, =
my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can =
faith save him?=20


--=20
SwampBug
- - - - - - - - - - - -


"Bill Otten" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
While I'm quite the believer myself, this is hardly news if it's over =
2000=20
years old. And besides, do you REALLY have to post this to a woodworking =

group? You might think your 'witnessing' to others is gaining you=20
points....but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by =
faith=20
ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is) =
should=20
know this.

"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be =
seen=20
by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matt =
6:1=20
(NKJV)

bill otten

<[email protected]> wrote in message=20
news:[email protected]...
> Good News!
>
>
> Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven after this
> life has ended?
>
>
> The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth
> in the person of Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and
> died for our past, present and future sins(misdeeds).
> He was born in the land of Israel supernaturally to a
> virgin Jewish woman named Mary. He lived a sinless life
> for thirty-three years and then sacrificed His sinless
> blood and died on a cross to pay the death penalty for
> our sins.
>
>
> After Jesus died He rose from the dead three days later
> as He said He would. The Holy Bible also tells us that
> Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and that all who accept
> Him as their Lord and Saviour will live forever with Him
> in Heaven where there is no more death, sorrow, sickness
> and pain.
>
>
> The Holy Bible very clearly explains how simple it is
> to be saved and on your way to Heaven, "For if you
> confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe
> in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you
> WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)
>
>
> You can be saved right now and on your way to Heaven if
> you will open your heart to Jesus and pray the following
> prayer:
>
>
> Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have
> a home in Heaven when I die. I agree with You that I am a
> sinner. I believe You love me and want to save me. I
> believe that You bled and died on the cross to pay the
> penalty for my sins. I believe that You rose from the dead.
> Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and be my
> Lord and Saviour. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for
> forgiving me and saving me through Your merciful grace.
> Amen.
>
>
> You are now a Christian if you said the prayer and allowed
> God to save you. Welcome to the family of God.
>
>
> If you decide to wait till later you may die before you get
> another chance to be saved because none of us knows
> exactly when we will die.
>
> This means that if we die without trusting in Jesus Christ
> as our Lord and Saviour we will be forever separated
> from the love of God in a place called Hell. This place
> called Hell is a place of eternal torment, suffering, pain
> and agony for all those who reject Jesus Christ.
>
> Choose Jesus Christ today and you will have peace in your
> life now and forever.
>
>
> Have a great day!
> Internet Evangelist R.L. Grossi
>
>
> Free Online Bible
> http://www.biblegateway.com
>
>
> Free Online Movies
> http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html
>
>
> Animation
> http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/animations/walk/index.html
>
>
> The Passion Of The Christ
> http://www.ThePassionOfTheChrist.ch.tt
>
>
> Beware Of Cults
> http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm
>
>
> About Hell
> http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm
>
>
> Is Jesus God?
> http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html
>=20


Sw

"SwampBug"

in reply to [email protected] on 19/02/2005 12:47 PM

20/02/2005 8:03 AM

Scripture should ALWAYS be taken in context, but you need to widen the =
scope to more than just "10 words on either side of object"!=20
True, there is no salvation by works *alone*! But my post was to show =
from his own selected source that "faith ALONE" is not enough and likely =
even misquoted. James' words are emphatic. . .Faith without works is =
dead! James is showing that professing faith but not having works =
renders your words empty speech. . ."having a form of godly devotion but =
proving false to its power", 2nd Timothy 3:5.

"The Truth is incontrovertible, Panic may resent it; Ignorance may =
deride it; Malice may distort it; But there it is."
Winston Churchill

Have a nice day. . .both of you. . .
--=20
SwampBug
- - - - - - - - - - - -


"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:34:04 -0600, "SwampBug" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>>>but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by faith=20
>>>>ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT =
is) should=20
>>>>know this.
>
>
>From the NKJV
>James 2:14
>[ Faith Without Works Is Dead ] [ Gen 22; Josh 2] What does it profit, =
my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can =
faith save him?=20

You need to take that in the total context of scripture, Swampbug. =
Works
are a fruit of faith and evidence that faith is present. The works
themselves have no value toward one's salvation. James's letter was
written to 2nd generation Christians in Jerusalem who were complacent =
and
were making the statement they had faith while their outward lives were
apparently showing otherwise. What James was showing that works were an
outwardly visible sign of internal saving faith. This interpretation is
consistent with the message in the Gospels and the other epistles.




+------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------+
The absence of accidents does not mean the presence of safety
Army General Richard Cody
+------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------+

Sw

"SwampBug"

in reply to [email protected] on 19/02/2005 12:47 PM

20/02/2005 5:46 PM

so tell him, not me, if you are bothered by his post
you have my permission to flip the switch
--=20
SwampBug
- - - - - - - - - - - -


"Bill Otten" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
Bottom line here.........and NO bible involved, is he needs to take his=20
message elsewhere. It does not belong in a Usenet Newsgroup on =
woodworking.=20
He's no internet evangelist....he's a spammer, and he does it for his =
own=20
self satisfaction I'm sure. He's got 100 or more porn related newsgroups =
to=20
post to if he feels the need. But then, he's probably using them as =
intended=20
anyhow.

bill otten
putting his hand on the kill file switch......

"SwampBug" <[email protected]> wrote in message=20
news:[email protected]...
>>>but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by faith
>>>ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is) =

>>>should
>>>know this.


From the NKJV
James 2:14
[ Faith Without Works Is Dead ] [ Gen 22; Josh 2] What does it profit, =
my=20
brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can =
faith=20
save him?


--=20
SwampBug
- - - - - - - - - - - -


"Bill Otten" <[email protected]> wrote in message=20
news:[email protected]...
While I'm quite the believer myself, this is hardly news if it's over =
2000
years old. And besides, do you REALLY have to post this to a woodworking
group? You might think your 'witnessing' to others is gaining you
points....but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by =
faith
ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is) =
should
know this.

"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be =
seen
by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matt =
6:1
(NKJV)

bill otten

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Good News!
>
>
> Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven after this
> life has ended?
>
>
> The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth
> in the person of Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and
> died for our past, present and future sins(misdeeds).
> He was born in the land of Israel supernaturally to a
> virgin Jewish woman named Mary. He lived a sinless life
> for thirty-three years and then sacrificed His sinless
> blood and died on a cross to pay the death penalty for
> our sins.
>
>
> After Jesus died He rose from the dead three days later
> as He said He would. The Holy Bible also tells us that
> Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and that all who accept
> Him as their Lord and Saviour will live forever with Him
> in Heaven where there is no more death, sorrow, sickness
> and pain.
>
>
> The Holy Bible very clearly explains how simple it is
> to be saved and on your way to Heaven, "For if you
> confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe
> in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you
> WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)
>
>
> You can be saved right now and on your way to Heaven if
> you will open your heart to Jesus and pray the following
> prayer:
>
>
> Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have
> a home in Heaven when I die. I agree with You that I am a
> sinner. I believe You love me and want to save me. I
> believe that You bled and died on the cross to pay the
> penalty for my sins. I believe that You rose from the dead.
> Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and be my
> Lord and Saviour. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for
> forgiving me and saving me through Your merciful grace.
> Amen.
>
>
> You are now a Christian if you said the prayer and allowed
> God to save you. Welcome to the family of God.
>
>
> If you decide to wait till later you may die before you get
> another chance to be saved because none of us knows
> exactly when we will die.
>
> This means that if we die without trusting in Jesus Christ
> as our Lord and Saviour we will be forever separated
> from the love of God in a place called Hell. This place
> called Hell is a place of eternal torment, suffering, pain
> and agony for all those who reject Jesus Christ.
>
> Choose Jesus Christ today and you will have peace in your
> life now and forever.
>
>
> Have a great day!
> Internet Evangelist R.L. Grossi
>
>
> Free Online Bible
> http://www.biblegateway.com
>
>
> Free Online Movies
> http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html
>
>
> Animation
> http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/animations/walk/index.html
>
>
> The Passion Of The Christ
> http://www.ThePassionOfTheChrist.ch.tt
>
>
> Beware Of Cults
> http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm
>
>
> About Hell
> http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm
>
>
> Is Jesus God?
> http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html
>




BO

"Bill Otten"

in reply to [email protected] on 19/02/2005 12:47 PM

19/02/2005 10:55 PM

While I'm quite the believer myself, this is hardly news if it's over 2000
years old. And besides, do you REALLY have to post this to a woodworking
group? You might think your 'witnessing' to others is gaining you
points....but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by faith
ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is) should
know this.

"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen
by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matt 6:1
(NKJV)

bill otten

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Good News!
>
>
> Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven after this
> life has ended?
>
>
> The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth
> in the person of Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and
> died for our past, present and future sins(misdeeds).
> He was born in the land of Israel supernaturally to a
> virgin Jewish woman named Mary. He lived a sinless life
> for thirty-three years and then sacrificed His sinless
> blood and died on a cross to pay the death penalty for
> our sins.
>
>
> After Jesus died He rose from the dead three days later
> as He said He would. The Holy Bible also tells us that
> Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and that all who accept
> Him as their Lord and Saviour will live forever with Him
> in Heaven where there is no more death, sorrow, sickness
> and pain.
>
>
> The Holy Bible very clearly explains how simple it is
> to be saved and on your way to Heaven, "For if you
> confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe
> in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you
> WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)
>
>
> You can be saved right now and on your way to Heaven if
> you will open your heart to Jesus and pray the following
> prayer:
>
>
> Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have
> a home in Heaven when I die. I agree with You that I am a
> sinner. I believe You love me and want to save me. I
> believe that You bled and died on the cross to pay the
> penalty for my sins. I believe that You rose from the dead.
> Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and be my
> Lord and Saviour. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for
> forgiving me and saving me through Your merciful grace.
> Amen.
>
>
> You are now a Christian if you said the prayer and allowed
> God to save you. Welcome to the family of God.
>
>
> If you decide to wait till later you may die before you get
> another chance to be saved because none of us knows
> exactly when we will die.
>
> This means that if we die without trusting in Jesus Christ
> as our Lord and Saviour we will be forever separated
> from the love of God in a place called Hell. This place
> called Hell is a place of eternal torment, suffering, pain
> and agony for all those who reject Jesus Christ.
>
> Choose Jesus Christ today and you will have peace in your
> life now and forever.
>
>
> Have a great day!
> Internet Evangelist R.L. Grossi
>
>
> Free Online Bible
> http://www.biblegateway.com
>
>
> Free Online Movies
> http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html
>
>
> Animation
> http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/animations/walk/index.html
>
>
> The Passion Of The Christ
> http://www.ThePassionOfTheChrist.ch.tt
>
>
> Beware Of Cults
> http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm
>
>
> About Hell
> http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm
>
>
> Is Jesus God?
> http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html
>


BO

"Bill Otten"

in reply to [email protected] on 19/02/2005 12:47 PM

20/02/2005 9:45 AM

Bottom line here.........and NO bible involved, is he needs to take his
message elsewhere. It does not belong in a Usenet Newsgroup on woodworking.
He's no internet evangelist....he's a spammer, and he does it for his own
self satisfaction I'm sure. He's got 100 or more porn related newsgroups to
post to if he feels the need. But then, he's probably using them as intended
anyhow.

bill otten
putting his hand on the kill file switch......

"SwampBug" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>>but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by faith
>>>ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is)
>>>should
>>>know this.


From the NKJV
James 2:14
[ Faith Without Works Is Dead ] [ Gen 22; Josh 2] What does it profit, my
brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith
save him?


--
SwampBug
- - - - - - - - - - - -


"Bill Otten" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
While I'm quite the believer myself, this is hardly news if it's over 2000
years old. And besides, do you REALLY have to post this to a woodworking
group? You might think your 'witnessing' to others is gaining you
points....but you cannot buy your way in. Not by works or deeds but by faith
ALONE are you saved. Even an 'internet evangelist' (whatever THAT is) should
know this.

"Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen
by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matt 6:1
(NKJV)

bill otten

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Good News!
>
>
> Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven after this
> life has ended?
>
>
> The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth
> in the person of Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and
> died for our past, present and future sins(misdeeds).
> He was born in the land of Israel supernaturally to a
> virgin Jewish woman named Mary. He lived a sinless life
> for thirty-three years and then sacrificed His sinless
> blood and died on a cross to pay the death penalty for
> our sins.
>
>
> After Jesus died He rose from the dead three days later
> as He said He would. The Holy Bible also tells us that
> Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and that all who accept
> Him as their Lord and Saviour will live forever with Him
> in Heaven where there is no more death, sorrow, sickness
> and pain.
>
>
> The Holy Bible very clearly explains how simple it is
> to be saved and on your way to Heaven, "For if you
> confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe
> in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you
> WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)
>
>
> You can be saved right now and on your way to Heaven if
> you will open your heart to Jesus and pray the following
> prayer:
>
>
> Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have
> a home in Heaven when I die. I agree with You that I am a
> sinner. I believe You love me and want to save me. I
> believe that You bled and died on the cross to pay the
> penalty for my sins. I believe that You rose from the dead.
> Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and be my
> Lord and Saviour. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for
> forgiving me and saving me through Your merciful grace.
> Amen.
>
>
> You are now a Christian if you said the prayer and allowed
> God to save you. Welcome to the family of God.
>
>
> If you decide to wait till later you may die before you get
> another chance to be saved because none of us knows
> exactly when we will die.
>
> This means that if we die without trusting in Jesus Christ
> as our Lord and Saviour we will be forever separated
> from the love of God in a place called Hell. This place
> called Hell is a place of eternal torment, suffering, pain
> and agony for all those who reject Jesus Christ.
>
> Choose Jesus Christ today and you will have peace in your
> life now and forever.
>
>
> Have a great day!
> Internet Evangelist R.L. Grossi
>
>
> Free Online Bible
> http://www.biblegateway.com
>
>
> Free Online Movies
> http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html
>
>
> Animation
> http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/animations/walk/index.html
>
>
> The Passion Of The Christ
> http://www.ThePassionOfTheChrist.ch.tt
>
>
> Beware Of Cults
> http://www.carm.org/cults/cultlist.htm
>
>
> About Hell
> http://www.equip.org/free/DH198.htm
>
>
> Is Jesus God?
> http://www.powertochange.com/questions/qna2.html
>





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