woodworker stats

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 4:36:23 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> On 11/20/2016 9:53 AM, Jack wrote:
> > On 11/18/2016 1:31 PM, Markem wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:39 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> On 11/17/2016 11:38 AM, Leon wrote:
> >>
> >>>> How big is that chip on your shoulder?
> >>>
> >>> When Saw Stop tries to force their product on the world via government
> >>> decree, the chip gets large enough for me to yap about it when the
> >>> opportunity arises.
> >>
> >> It is a dead issue Jack, has been for a long time. Move on to
> >> something newer.
> >
> > Government encroachment on our private lives is never a "dead issue"
> > SawStop has been highly active in attempting to get government to force
> > their product on every person buying a new TS. I find this tactic
> > despicable and unacceptable, and I'll not buy a SS ever, and will speak
> > out against them at every opportunity.
> >
> > I hope you are right, this is a dead issue, but if one guy cuts his
> > pinky off and sues the manufacturer for not providing total safety on
> > their TS's, then the issue in not over. My experience is government
> > never stops in it's attempts to tell the individual what he MUST do to
> > protect him from himself.
>
>
> SS no longer needs the law to be passed, they out sell all other brands
> of cabinet saws now.

All other brands on an individual basis or all other brands in total?

Either way, SS *could* say (behind closed mahogany doors) "We're kicking
their butts. Now let's take over the entire market. Keep pushing to get
the law passed."

>
> Your bigger fear is the insurance companies that will dictate what brand
> you will buy if you want coverage.

Tru dat!

On 11/8/2016 6:51 PM, Bill wrote:
> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
>>> another agency like that
>>>
>>> things like
>>>
>>> age
>>> years at it
>>> favorite tools
>>> injuries
>>> favorite joining techniques
>>>
>>> etc
>> I'll answer your question with a question:
>>
>> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
>>
>> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
>> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
>>
>> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
>>
>> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
>> techniques.
>
> I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.

For many of us that is a favorite tool. All we need now is age, weight,
baldness factor.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 9:01:22 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <196dnQrVo9hj5r_FnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >
> > On 11/8/2016 6:51 PM, Bill wrote:
> > > DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> > >>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
> > >>> another agency like that
> > >>>
> > >>> things like
> > >>>
> > >>> age
> > >>> years at it
> > >>> favorite tools
> > >>> injuries
> > >>> favorite joining techniques
> > >>>
> > >>> etc
> > >> I'll answer your question with a question:
> > >>
> > >> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
> > >>
> > >> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
> > >> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
> > >>
> > >> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
> > >>
> > >> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
> > >> techniques.
> > >
> > > I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.
> >
> > For many of us that is a favorite tool. All we need now is age, weight,
> > baldness factor.
>
> Read the reports and they tell a different story
> from the one that one imagines. Dropped saw on
> foot while moving. Pinched finger in belt.
> Splinter lodged under fingernail. All ER visits
> due to table saws.

But I wouldn't consider them woodworking injuries. Maybe the splinter, but certainly not
dropping the saw on a foot.

If I hurt myself changing a tire, does that count as an automobile accident? Not to me.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 1:33:54 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> krw <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > I suppose it would depend on what you're trying to prove by taking the
> > "poll".
>
> "Table saw accident" does sound a lot cooler than "Got a sliver under my
> fingernail."
>

If I was sitting around the campfire with a bunch of friends on a fishing
trip and I cut myself while sharpening my steak knife, I'd sure have
a lot of choices:

Fire Related Accident
Gang Related Incident
Fishing Accident
Cooking Accident

;-)

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:39 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/17/2016 11:38 AM, Leon wrote:

>> How big is that chip on your shoulder?
>
>When Saw Stop tries to force their product on the world via government
>decree, the chip gets large enough for me to yap about it when the
>opportunity arises.

It is a dead issue Jack, has been for a long time. Move on to
something newer.

krw <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> I suppose it would depend on what you're trying to prove by taking the
> "poll".

"Table saw accident" does sound a lot cooler than "Got a sliver under my
fingernail."

Puckdropper

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 1:17:48 PM UTC-5, krw wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:10:44 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 11/11/2016 8:50 AM, Jack wrote:
>> >> On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing
>> >>> overhead blade support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table
>> >>> saw accident", despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged
>> >>> in.
>> >>
>> >> If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for
>> >> not having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp
>> >> and could cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide
>> >> before any damage could occur if touched, whether the saw was
>> >> running or just sitting there being totally unsafe...
>> >>
>> >
>> >Perhaps you missed the part, DESPITE that the blade was removed and
>> >saw was not plugged in.
>> >He cut himself on the guard.
>>
>> See how dangerous table saws are?!
>> >
>> >And FWIW it was/is a Unisaw.
>>
>> I got a good cut (no stitches, though) on my UNisaw, with the blade
>> in it. Of course it wasn't running at the time, but that doesn't
>> seem to be statistically relevant. ;-)
>
> I was looking at a table saw in a store and a lady bumped into me
> because she was texting. She dropped the phone on the salesman's foot,
> he stumbled and bruised himself on a stack of wood. The manager came
> over and got a paper cut while writing up the report. I used my
> smartphone to take pictures of the scene and got a cramp in my thumb.
> The paramedic's bag got caught on the doorway and yanked his shoulder
> out of alignment. The commotion scared an old lady and she fainted,
> knocking some paint cans off a shelf which rolled over the salesman's
> other foot (remember the salesman?). One of the paint cans opened and
> 2 young children were bothered by the smell, causing them to start
> crying. Mom tried to rush them out of the store, but she tripped over
> the old lady, hurting her knees (her's, not the old lady's). A lawyer
> was nearby and he got so blinded by the dollar signs flashing in front
> of his eyes that he walked into a vendor's display case, breaking his
> nose.
>
> Each individual incident needs to be categorized so that we can keep
> the stat's accurate.
>

Hey Luigi... if you're still around you need to put this post on your
humor page!

Puckdropper

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 20:18:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 9:01:22 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>> In article <196dnQrVo9hj5r_FnZ2dnUU7-
>> [email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> >
>> > On 11/8/2016 6:51 PM, Bill wrote:
>> > > DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> > >> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>> > >>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
>> > >>> another agency like that
>> > >>>
>> > >>> things like
>> > >>>
>> > >>> age
>> > >>> years at it
>> > >>> favorite tools
>> > >>> injuries
>> > >>> favorite joining techniques
>> > >>>
>> > >>> etc
>> > >> I'll answer your question with a question:
>> > >>
>> > >> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
>> > >>
>> > >> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
>> > >> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
>> > >>
>> > >> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
>> > >>
>> > >> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
>> > >> techniques.
>> > >
>> > > I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.
>> >
>> > For many of us that is a favorite tool. All we need now is age, weight,
>> > baldness factor.
>>
>> Read the reports and they tell a different story
>> from the one that one imagines. Dropped saw on
>> foot while moving. Pinched finger in belt.
>> Splinter lodged under fingernail. All ER visits
>> due to table saws.
>
>But I wouldn't consider them woodworking injuries. Maybe the splinter, but certainly not
>dropping the saw on a foot.
>
>If I hurt myself changing a tire, does that count as an automobile accident? Not to me.

I suppose it would depend on what you're trying to prove by taking the
"poll".

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 19:34:50 -0500, Mike Marlow
<[email protected]> wrote:

>krw wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:51:41 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>>>>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
>>>>> another agency like that
>>>>>
>>>>> things like
>>>>>
>>>>> age
>>>>> years at it
>>>>> favorite tools
>>>>> injuries
>>>>> favorite joining techniques
>>>>>
>>>>> etc
>>>> I'll answer your question with a question:
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
>>>>
>>>> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
>>>> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
>>>>
>>>> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
>>>>
>>>> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
>>>> techniques.
>>>
>>> I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.
>>
>> From OSHA or NIH? In any case, I doubt that either correlate ER
>> visits by joinery type. ;-)
>
>>
>
>
> Ya know - sometimes one can find the stupidist shit posted here....

Just run with it.

On 11/20/2016 9:53 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 11/18/2016 1:31 PM, Markem wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:39 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 11/17/2016 11:38 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>>> How big is that chip on your shoulder?
>>>
>>> When Saw Stop tries to force their product on the world via government
>>> decree, the chip gets large enough for me to yap about it when the
>>> opportunity arises.
>>
>> It is a dead issue Jack, has been for a long time. Move on to
>> something newer.
>
> Government encroachment on our private lives is never a "dead issue"
> SawStop has been highly active in attempting to get government to force
> their product on every person buying a new TS. I find this tactic
> despicable and unacceptable, and I'll not buy a SS ever, and will speak
> out against them at every opportunity.
>
> I hope you are right, this is a dead issue, but if one guy cuts his
> pinky off and sues the manufacturer for not providing total safety on
> their TS's, then the issue in not over. My experience is government
> never stops in it's attempts to tell the individual what he MUST do to
> protect him from himself.


SS no longer needs the law to be passed, they out sell all other brands
of cabinet saws now.

Your bigger fear is the insurance companies that will dictate what brand
you will buy if you want coverage.

In article <196dnQrVo9hj5r_FnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 11/8/2016 6:51 PM, Bill wrote:
> > DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> >>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
> >>> another agency like that
> >>>
> >>> things like
> >>>
> >>> age
> >>> years at it
> >>> favorite tools
> >>> injuries
> >>> favorite joining techniques
> >>>
> >>> etc
> >> I'll answer your question with a question:
> >>
> >> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
> >>
> >> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
> >> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
> >>
> >> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
> >>
> >> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
> >> techniques.
> >
> > I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.
>
> For many of us that is a favorite tool. All we need now is age, weight,
> baldness factor.

Read the reports and they tell a different story
from the one that one imagines. Dropped saw on
foot while moving. Pinched finger in belt.
Splinter lodged under fingernail. All ER visits
due to table saws.

On 11/11/2016 8:50 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:
>
>> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead blade
>> support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
>> despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.
>
> If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for not
> having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp and could
> cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide before any damage
> could occur if touched, whether the saw was running or just sitting
> there being totally unsafe...
>

Perhaps you missed the part, DESPITE that the blade was removed and saw
was not plugged in.
He cut himself on the guard.

And FWIW it was/is a Unisaw.

On 11/21/2016 7:49 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 4:36:23 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/20/2016 9:53 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 11/18/2016 1:31 PM, Markem wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:39 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/2016 11:38 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> How big is that chip on your shoulder?
>>>>>
>>>>> When Saw Stop tries to force their product on the world via government
>>>>> decree, the chip gets large enough for me to yap about it when the
>>>>> opportunity arises.
>>>>
>>>> It is a dead issue Jack, has been for a long time. Move on to
>>>> something newer.
>>>
>>> Government encroachment on our private lives is never a "dead issue"
>>> SawStop has been highly active in attempting to get government to force
>>> their product on every person buying a new TS. I find this tactic
>>> despicable and unacceptable, and I'll not buy a SS ever, and will speak
>>> out against them at every opportunity.
>>>
>>> I hope you are right, this is a dead issue, but if one guy cuts his
>>> pinky off and sues the manufacturer for not providing total safety on
>>> their TS's, then the issue in not over. My experience is government
>>> never stops in it's attempts to tell the individual what he MUST do to
>>> protect him from himself.
>>
>>
>> SS no longer needs the law to be passed, they out sell all other brands
>> of cabinet saws now.
>
> All other brands on an individual basis or all other brands in total?

Info from Woodcraft indicates all others combined. Countless businesses
are switching. A new neighbor used to work for CraftMaid and he
indicated that they switched to SS a few years ago to replace their
regular TS's. Looking at the bottom line insurance, workmans comp.m
lost production, etc the SS is a money saver.


>
> Either way, SS *could* say (behind closed mahogany doors) "We're kicking
> their butts. Now let's take over the entire market. Keep pushing to get
> the law passed."

Perhaps.

>
>>
>> Your bigger fear is the insurance companies that will dictate what brand
>> you will buy if you want coverage.
>
> Tru dat!
>

And I meant that to be for hobbyists, businesses would be foolish to not
go with a SS.

On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
> another agency like that
>
> things like
>
> age
> years at it
> favorite tools
> injuries
> favorite joining techniques
>
> etc

I'll answer your question with a question:

Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?

I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.

If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.

P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
techniques.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:10:44 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 11/11/2016 8:50 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead blade
>>> support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
>>> despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.
>>
>> If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for not
>> having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp and could
>> cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide before any damage
>> could occur if touched, whether the saw was running or just sitting
>> there being totally unsafe...
>>
>
>Perhaps you missed the part, DESPITE that the blade was removed and saw
>was not plugged in.
>He cut himself on the guard.

See how dangerous table saws are?!
>
>And FWIW it was/is a Unisaw.

I got a good cut (no stitches, though) on my UNisaw, with the blade in
it. Of course it wasn't running at the time, but that doesn't seem to
be statistically relevant. ;-)

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:51:41 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
>>> another agency like that
>>>
>>> things like
>>>
>>> age
>>> years at it
>>> favorite tools
>>> injuries
>>> favorite joining techniques
>>>
>>> etc
>> I'll answer your question with a question:
>>
>> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
>>
>> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
>> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
>>
>> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
>>
>> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
>> techniques.
>
>I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.

From OSHA or NIH? In any case, I doubt that either correlate ER
visits by joinery type. ;-)

On 2016-11-18, Markem <[email protected]> wrote:

> It is a dead issue Jack, has been for a long time. Move on to
> something newer.

Not everyone is as well informed and up-to-date as yerself. Heck, I
do not know the final outcome of that particular issue.

So, you can provide the OP with the facts or STFU! ;)

nb

On 11/17/2016 10:33 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 11/11/2016 1:10 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 11/11/2016 8:50 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead
>>>> blade
>>>> support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
>>>> despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.
>>>
>>> If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for not
>>> having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp and could
>>> cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide before any damage
>>> could occur if touched, whether the saw was running or just sitting
>>> there being totally unsafe...
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps you missed the part, DESPITE that the blade was removed and saw
>> was not plugged in.
>> He cut himself on the guard.
>
> In that case the manufacturer is at fault for allowing any possibility
> that a human could be injured by a product designed to provide safety.
> Obviously insufficient warning was provided to the human.
>
>> And FWIW it was/is a Unisaw.
>
> In that case, I would recommend no law suit, unless he needs the cash.
> Save stupid ass law suits for those that deserve them, like Saw Stop.


How big is that chip on your shoulder?

On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 1:17:48 PM UTC-5, krw wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:10:44 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
> >On 11/11/2016 8:50 AM, Jack wrote:
> >> On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead blade
> >>> support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
> >>> despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.
> >>
> >> If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for not
> >> having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp and could
> >> cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide before any damage
> >> could occur if touched, whether the saw was running or just sitting
> >> there being totally unsafe...
> >>
> >
> >Perhaps you missed the part, DESPITE that the blade was removed and saw
> >was not plugged in.
> >He cut himself on the guard.
>
> See how dangerous table saws are?!
> >
> >And FWIW it was/is a Unisaw.
>
> I got a good cut (no stitches, though) on my UNisaw, with the blade in
> it. Of course it wasn't running at the time, but that doesn't seem to
> be statistically relevant. ;-)

I was looking at a table saw in a store and a lady bumped into me because
she was texting. She dropped the phone on the salesman's foot, he stumbled
and bruised himself on a stack of wood. The manager came over and got a
paper cut while writing up the report. I used my smartphone to take pictures
of the scene and got a cramp in my thumb. The paramedic's bag got caught on
the doorway and yanked his shoulder out of alignment. The commotion scared
an old lady and she fainted, knocking some paint cans off a shelf which
rolled over the salesman's other foot (remember the salesman?). One of
the paint cans opened and 2 young children were bothered by the smell,
causing them to start crying. Mom tried to rush them out of the store, but
she tripped over the old lady, hurting her knees (her's, not the old lady's).
A lawyer was nearby and he got so blinded by the dollar signs flashing in
front of his eyes that he walked into a vendor's display case, breaking his
nose.

Each individual incident needs to be categorized so that we can keep the
stat's accurate.

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 16:08:31 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/9/2016 3:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>>
>> If I was sitting around the campfire with a bunch of friends on a fishing
>> trip and I cut myself while sharpening my steak knife, I'd sure have
>> a lot of choices:
>>
>> Fire Related Accident
>> Gang Related Incident
>> Fishing Accident
>> Cooking Accident
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>
>Sounds like attempted suicide to me.

Of course, it's all of the above. Five accidents in one day proves
that you can't take care of yourself and you need government's help.
Oh, and since you attempted suicide, no guns for you!

On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 04:39:09 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/8/2016 8:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Read the reports and they tell a different story
>> from the one that one imagines. Dropped saw on
>> foot while moving. Pinched finger in belt.
>> Splinter lodged under fingernail. All ER visits
>> due to table saws.
>
>Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead blade
>support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
>despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.

Should have said it happened in the bedroom on your trapeze. It could
have been classified as an STD.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
>> another agency like that
>>
>> things like
>>
>> age
>> years at it
>> favorite tools
>> injuries
>> favorite joining techniques
>>
>> etc
> I'll answer your question with a question:
>
> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
>
> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
>
> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
>
> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
> techniques.

I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.

krw wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:51:41 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 11:30:09 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
>>>> does anyone anywhere keep track of woodworker stats besides osha or
>>>> another agency like that
>>>>
>>>> things like
>>>>
>>>> age
>>>> years at it
>>>> favorite tools
>>>> injuries
>>>> favorite joining techniques
>>>>
>>>> etc
>>> I'll answer your question with a question:
>>>
>>> Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?
>>>
>>> I'll take a guess and say the answer is "no". I sure haven't and I'll
>>> bet that very few woodworkers in this group have.
>>>
>>> If no one is collecting the data, then no stats can be determined.
>>>
>>> P.S. I doubt OSHA cares about favorite tools and favorite joining
>>> techniques.
>>
>> I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.
>
> From OSHA or NIH? In any case, I doubt that either correlate ER
> visits by joinery type. ;-)

>


Ya know - sometimes one can find the stupidist shit posted here....


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On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:

> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead blade
> support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
> despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.

If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for not
having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp and could
cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide before any damage
could occur if touched, whether the saw was running or just sitting
there being totally unsafe...

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:35:21 -0800 (PST)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:

> If I was sitting around the campfire with a bunch of friends on a
> fishing trip and I cut myself while sharpening my steak knife, I'd
> sure have a lot of choices:

this would constitute insurance fraud no matter what you attempt to
claim

no one sharpens their steak knife on a fishing trip so that would
raise the red flag for the adjuster

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:51:41 -0500
Bill <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Have you ever taken a survey during which that data was collected?

there was a form at a show a long time ago but not this many details

they should do that though

> I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.

may be possible to extract least favorite tool from that data

do you work for sawstop
looking for new customers and trolling er rooms

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 20:29:34 -0500
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

> For many of us that is a favorite tool. All we need now is age,
> weight, baldness factor.

is baldness factor measured in reflected lumens or board feet

Electric Comet wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 18:51:41 -0500
> Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.
> may be possible to extract least favorite tool from that data
I see that statistics isn't your thing...

>
> do you work for sawstop
> looking for new customers and trolling er rooms

Neither. Please excuse yerself fer pesterin' me.



>
>

On 11/11/2016 1:10 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/11/2016 8:50 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead blade
>>> support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
>>> despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.
>>
>> If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for not
>> having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp and could
>> cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide before any damage
>> could occur if touched, whether the saw was running or just sitting
>> there being totally unsafe...
>>
>
> Perhaps you missed the part, DESPITE that the blade was removed and saw
> was not plugged in.
> He cut himself on the guard.

In that case the manufacturer is at fault for allowing any possibility
that a human could be injured by a product designed to provide safety.
Obviously insufficient warning was provided to the human.

> And FWIW it was/is a Unisaw.

In that case, I would recommend no law suit, unless he needs the cash.
Save stupid ass law suits for those that deserve them, like Saw Stop.
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On 11/17/2016 11:38 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/17/2016 10:33 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 11/11/2016 1:10 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2016 8:50 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> On 11/9/2016 5:39 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead
>>>>> blade
>>>>> support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
>>>>> despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.
>>>>
>>>> If the saw was a SawStop, I'd recommend you sue the bastards for not
>>>> having sufficient high res lettering that the blade is sharp and could
>>>> cut you if you slip, or that the blade didn't hide before any damage
>>>> could occur if touched, whether the saw was running or just sitting
>>>> there being totally unsafe...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps you missed the part, DESPITE that the blade was removed and saw
>>> was not plugged in.
>>> He cut himself on the guard.
>>
>> In that case the manufacturer is at fault for allowing any possibility
>> that a human could be injured by a product designed to provide safety.
>> Obviously insufficient warning was provided to the human.
>>
>>> And FWIW it was/is a Unisaw.
>>
>> In that case, I would recommend no law suit, unless he needs the cash.
>> Save stupid ass law suits for those that deserve them, like Saw Stop.
>
>
> How big is that chip on your shoulder?

When Saw Stop tries to force their product on the world via government
decree, the chip gets large enough for me to yap about it when the
opportunity arises.

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On 11/18/2016 1:31 PM, Markem wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 10:00:39 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/17/2016 11:38 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>>> How big is that chip on your shoulder?
>>
>> When Saw Stop tries to force their product on the world via government
>> decree, the chip gets large enough for me to yap about it when the
>> opportunity arises.
>
> It is a dead issue Jack, has been for a long time. Move on to
> something newer.

Government encroachment on our private lives is never a "dead issue"
SawStop has been highly active in attempting to get government to force
their product on every person buying a new TS. I find this tactic
despicable and unacceptable, and I'll not buy a SS ever, and will speak
out against them at every opportunity.

I hope you are right, this is a dead issue, but if one guy cuts his
pinky off and sues the manufacturer for not providing total safety on
their TS's, then the issue in not over. My experience is government
never stops in it's attempts to tell the individual what he MUST do to
protect him from himself.
--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>On 11/8/2016 6:51 PM, Bill wrote:

>> I occasionally see the number of ER visits due to table saws reported.

>For many of us that is a favorite tool. All we need now is age, weight,
>baldness factor.

From what I've noticed you left out the beardness factor... ;~)

On 11/9/2016 3:35 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

>
> If I was sitting around the campfire with a bunch of friends on a fishing
> trip and I cut myself while sharpening my steak knife, I'd sure have
> a lot of choices:
>
> Fire Related Accident
> Gang Related Incident
> Fishing Accident
> Cooking Accident
>
> ;-)
>

Sounds like attempted suicide to me.

On 11/8/2016 8:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:

> Read the reports and they tell a different story
> from the one that one imagines. Dropped saw on
> foot while moving. Pinched finger in belt.
> Splinter lodged under fingernail. All ER visits
> due to table saws.

Yep, 13 stitches in right thumb, filleted when installing overhead blade
support and it slipped ... ER classified as "table saw accident",
despite that blade was removed and saw not plugged in.

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