Need brown stain/sealer/pesticide

On Apr 4, 10:45=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
> green. =A0The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
> brown, not green.
>
> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own? =A0I just
> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>
> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
> test it for a rational price. =A0<deep sigh> =A0
>
> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
> underground) by then. =A0 Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>
> --
> "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
> against his government." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --Edward Abbey

A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....

On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:28:19 -0400, Gerald Ross <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>> brown, not green.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
>> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own? I just
>> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
>> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>>
>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
>> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
>> test it for a rational price.<deep sigh>
>>
>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
>> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>
>> --
>> "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
>> against his government." --Edward Abbey
>
>Copper-tox (SP?) is green copper napthenate dissolved in kerosene or
>something very similar. Should be compatible with oil-based brown stain.
>
>I have used copper tox for years. Believe I got the last at HD a few
>years ago.

Unfortunately, it comes only in green, and instructions on tinting are
concise: Do not tint!

Thanks, anyway.

--
You do not need a parachute to skydive.
You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:45:41 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:

> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
> brown, not green.
>
> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own? I just
> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>
> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
> test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>
> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

I too would like to find a brown copper napthenate product,
tinting the termin-8 might help. Termin-8 is not only too
green but a sickly green at that.

I was a big fan of the Jasco brown, I built some temporary
gates for some dog pens about 10 years ago out of untreated
yellow pine 2x4, fully exposed to the weather and ground
contact on the bottom. I give them two coats of Jasco and
they are still as solid as ever. Untreated pine would only
have lasted a year in a similar situation.

Because they were supposedly temporary, I assembled them with
drywall screws and the screws are beginning to fail, I plan
back the old screws out and replace with real screws, it will
be interesting to see just how long these gates will last.

basilisk

On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:45:41 -0700, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>brown, not green.
>
>Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
>in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own? I just
>emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
>can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>
>I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
>stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
>test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>
>And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
>with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

Experiment with a pad of steel wool in a small plastic paint container
pour in a bit see what happens?

Mark

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of
> pressure
> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and
> sold
> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now
> making only
> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated
> lumber is now
> brown, not green.
>
> Does anyone know of a
> preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my
> own? I just
> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't
> make it and
> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
> regulations.
>
> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would
> work in a deck
> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I
> can't even
> test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>
> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days
> to paint it
> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered
> (or
> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>
> --
> "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
> against his government." --Edward Abbey

LJ:

Testing is for those high-flying, daredevil pilots. Find
what might
work and call the company concerned unless a more savvy
someone already knows. If nobody here arises, perhaps a
search under a selection of pesticide trade names and
("deck stain" OR stain) might mean something.

Tim-Bor is a borax termicidal treatment for wood that gets
top
talk with less likelihood of endowing you with that third
hand
you always need. Maybe you can stain over it instead of
making
a devil's cocktail with pigment?

There are some really fearsome termicides that have been
banned into the secondary market of new old stock.
However, given their cost and advisability
of a full-dress space outfit, I hope you find another
option.

BTW, an ant species exists that actually eats your unwanted
tenants. There welcome at my picnics anytime.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 23:23:26 -0700, "Edward Hennessey"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of
>>> pressure
>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco
>>> and
>>> sold
>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown,
>>> now
>>> making only
>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated
>>> lumber is now
>>> brown, not green.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a
>>> preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
>>> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make
>>> my
>>> own? I just
>>> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they
>>> don't
>>> make it and
>>> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
>>> regulations.
>>>
>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would
>>> work in a deck
>>> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I
>>> can't even
>>> test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>>
>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several
>>> days
>>> to paint it
>>> with deck stain because half the timbers would be
>>> covered
>>> (or
>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>
>>LJ:
>>
>>Testing is for those high-flying, daredevil pilots. Find
>>what might
>>work and call the company concerned unless a more savvy
>>someone already knows. If nobody here arises, perhaps a
>>search under a selection of pesticide trade names and
>>("deck stain" OR stain) might mean something.
>>
>>Tim-Bor is a borax termicidal treatment for wood that gets
>>top
>>talk with less likelihood of endowing you with that third
>>hand
>>you always need.

LJ:

>
> Sometimes, genetic mutation is A Good Thing(tm). I had my
> house
> timbored last year. Good stuff, and cheap. But it hardens
> in solution
> so it has to be mixed and used immediately. Boracare is
> even worse,
> mixing out like honey. The guys like to spray it
> immediately after
> mixing with hot water.

Dr. Jaquestein...that bolts right into my head.
>
>>Maybe you can stain over it instead of
>>making
>>a devil's cocktail with pigment?
>
> As I said, timing is critical. I need to swab and install
> each piece
> instantly. I can't wait for hours or days due to the
> cut-to-fit-and-build-right-over-it timing. Unfortunately,
> it has to
> be a single-shot application.
>

Though moot, Jasco soaked always
beat the Dickens out of painting it. Finding a client whose
understanding equals willingness to fund such sage
sendeavor
is the sticker. I see your bind.

> >>BTW, an ant species exists that actually eats your
> >>unwanted
>>tenants. There welcome at my picnics anytime.
>
> Oh, sure. While dumping a $2,500 cannister of imported
> ants on the
> client's freshly built deck, I tell him why it costs so
> much more this
> year than last? I think I'd lose future bids.

For you Larry...$500. Think of the mark up. When the mutagen
you
finally use makes them gigantic, your client will be big in
pictures.

I'll talk to my ag consult on the issue. Don't get your
hopes up.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey
>
> --
> You do not need a parachute to skydive.
> You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
> brown, not green.
>
> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own? I just
> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>
> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
> test it for a rational price.<deep sigh>
>
> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>
> --
> "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
> against his government." --Edward Abbey

Copper-tox (SP?) is green copper napthenate dissolved in kerosene or
something very similar. Should be compatible with oil-based brown stain.

I have used copper tox for years. Believe I got the last at HD a few
years ago.



--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

'Bother,' said Pooh as he disposed of
Piglet's body.

Robatoy wrote:
> On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>> brown, not green.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that
>> comes in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own?
>> I just emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't
>> make it and can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
>> regulations.
>>
>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a
>> deck stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't
>> even test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>
>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint
>> it with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>
>> --
>> "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
>> against his government." --Edward Abbey
>
> A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....

Don't it make my brown eyes blue?

Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:48:05 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:56:55 -0700, "Kerry Montgomery"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Robatoy wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>>>>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>>>>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making
>>>>>> only green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated
>>>>>> lumber is now brown, not green.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that
>>>>>> comes in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my
>>>>>> own? I just emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they
>>>>>> don't make it and can't comment on it or test anything because of
>>>>>> frackin' regulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a
>>>>>> deck stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I
>>>>>> can't even test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to
>>>>>> paint it with deck stain because half the timbers would be
>>>>>> covered (or underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>>>>
>>>>> A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....
>>>>
>>>>Don't it make my brown eyes blue?
>>>
>>> My brown eyes get red when I have the blues, coo coo kachoo.
>>
>>Because of - the cat that ate your new shoes?
>
> I know nothing of that, sir. My cat walks through walls.
>
> --
> You do not need a parachute to skydive.
> You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
>

Ah! A Heinlein reference. Cool!

On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:48:05 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:56:55 -0700, "Kerry Montgomery"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Robatoy wrote:
>>>> On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>>>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>>>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>>>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>>>>> brown, not green.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that
>>>>> comes in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own?
>>>>> I just emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't
>>>>> make it and can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
>>>>> regulations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a
>>>>> deck stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't
>>>>> even test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>>>>
>>>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint
>>>>> it with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>>>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>>>
>>>> A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....
>>>
>>>Don't it make my brown eyes blue?
>>
>> My brown eyes get red when I have the blues, coo coo kachoo.
>
>Because of - the cat that ate your new shoes?

I know nothing of that, sir. My cat walks through walls.

--
You do not need a parachute to skydive.
You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

On 4/4/11 9:45 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
> treated lumber any more.

That's interesting. Got me thinking, so I did some googling...
I didn't think treated lumber has needed to have cut ends treated in
quite some time. The "pressure" part of the treatment is supposed to get
the pesticide through the entire piece of wood and not just the surface.

I looked on a bunch of sites for treated wood manufacturers. Some say to
treat cut ends and some don't. Personally, next time I use treated wood,
I will not use any that requires cut ends to be treated.


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"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:56:55 -0700, "Kerry Montgomery"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>>>> brown, not green.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that
>>>> comes in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own?
>>>> I just emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't
>>>> make it and can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
>>>> regulations.
>>>>
>>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a
>>>> deck stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't
>>>> even test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>>>
>>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint
>>>> it with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>>
>>> A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....
>>
>>Don't it make my brown eyes blue?
>
> My brown eyes get red when I have the blues, coo coo kachoo.
>


Because of - the cat that ate your new shoes?

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:48:05 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:56:55 -0700, "Kerry Montgomery"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Robatoy wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>>>>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>>>>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>>>>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>>>>>> brown, not green.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that
>>>>>> comes in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own?
>>>>>> I just emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't
>>>>>> make it and can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
>>>>>> regulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a
>>>>>> deck stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't
>>>>>> even test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint
>>>>>> it with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>>>>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>>>>
>>>>> A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....
>>>>
>>>>Don't it make my brown eyes blue?
>>>
>>> My brown eyes get red when I have the blues, coo coo kachoo.
>>
>>Because of - the cat that ate your new shoes?
>
> I know nothing of that, sir. My cat walks through walls.
>

And for one thin dime crawls on her belly like a snake ...

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:28:19 -0400, Gerald Ross <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>>> brown, not green.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
>>> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own? I just
>>> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
>>> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>>>
>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
>>> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
>>> test it for a rational price.<deep sigh>
>>>
>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
>>> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>
>>> --
>>> "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
>>> against his government." --Edward Abbey
>>
>>Copper-tox (SP?) is green copper napthenate dissolved in kerosene or
>>something very similar. Should be compatible with oil-based brown stain.
>>
>>I have used copper tox for years. Believe I got the last at HD a few
>>years ago.
>
> Unfortunately, it comes only in green, and instructions on tinting are
> concise: Do not tint!
>
> Thanks, anyway.
>

If all you are doing is the ends and "most of it will be underground", what
difference does the color make. And why can't you do as suggested and tint a
small amount as a test?

On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 20:42:21 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>> green.  The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>> brown, not green.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
>> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own?  I just
>> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
>> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>>
>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
>> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
>> test it for a rational price.  <deep sigh>  
>>
>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
>> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>> underground) by then.   Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>
>A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....

Thanks.

I'll continue testing, but everything so far turns a muddy green/gray,
not the proper shade of "treated chocolate" brown.

--
You do not need a parachute to skydive.
You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:56:55 -0700, "Kerry Montgomery"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Robatoy wrote:
>> On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>>> brown, not green.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that
>>> comes in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own?
>>> I just emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't
>>> make it and can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
>>> regulations.
>>>
>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a
>>> deck stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't
>>> even test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>>
>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint
>>> it with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>
>> A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....
>
>Don't it make my brown eyes blue?

My brown eyes get red when I have the blues, coo coo kachoo.


--
You do not need a parachute to skydive.
You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 08:28:25 -0700, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>LJ:
>
>I talked to my friend. He has no slapdash fix. Unless you
>have luck in dutifully prowling the aisles of the readymade,
>a custom cure gonna cost you.
>
>There is another way to play it off, for playing.
>Tell the client green is the new brown.

My clients don't have enough money for me to say that. If they did,
I'd just tell them that I'll be replacing the structure every 1.8
years, or we'd have used that high-dollar, plastic-fantastic decking
in the first place.


>Tell the client revisions in color theory
>have made green and brown complementary
>colors. Lastly and away, tell him to live with
>reality and say you did your best to find a
>way around it unless he wants to pay extra
>for compatibile brown paint/stain over a termicidal dose.

"OK, I'll hire someone else."


>I'm worried about your cat.

Only you, Ed. Only you... ;)


>The granite in your word
>would never put your observations in question
>or presume them jests. But if you're funnin',
>jokes are sacred nuttiness exempt from
>all except sanctimony. Should you
>look on this page:
>http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/4last-things4b.htm

Holy Shit, man.


>you may find out why your cat likes fish...and learn that
>one of the attributes of the "glorified body" is subtelty,
>including
>the ability to pass through walls. It is a trait of the end
>time.
>No aspersion on the context or tradition implicated is
>implied or to be taken under any and all circumstances. If
>some
>see merriment, others may see a final sign. All I've got
>to say is it may be getting an early start at your place. Or
>you're a brujo.

By gosh and by golly, I am, indeed, a brujo, sir.
You were right to cast no aspersions upon my kitten lest I hex thee.

--
Some people are like Slinkies ... not really good for
anything, but you can't help smiling when you see one
tumble down the stairs.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:45:41 -0700, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>brown, not green.

Damn. I got the definitive answer today about my problem: NOGO.

I called Homax (makers of Black Flag Termin-8) today and their
customer service guy had all the dope. The EPA, in its wisdom, has
deemed the product to be unclean. Brown is out. But, since the green
has been on the market and advertised as a pesticide, it can stay.

The EPA, also in its wisdom, had deemed illegal any mixing of goops
which can seal, color, and protect from bugs/weather/mildew, so I
can't even make my own replacement.

I'm now looking for the right color of deck stain to at least seal and
color the cut ends of pressure treated wood. <thud>

--
From the Book of Aussie Bush Etiquette:

Never tow another car using pantyhose and duct tape.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:48:05 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:56:55 -0700, "Kerry Montgomery"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Robatoy wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 4, 10:45 pm, Larry Jaques
>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends
>>>>>> of pressure
>>>>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco
>>>>>> and sold
>>>>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown,
>>>>>> now making only
>>>>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure
>>>>>> treated lumber is now
>>>>>> brown, not green.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know of a
>>>>>> preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that
>>>>>> comes in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I
>>>>>> can make my own?
>>>>>> I just emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They
>>>>>> said they don't
>>>>>> make it and can't comment on it or test anything
>>>>>> because of frackin'
>>>>>> regulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it
>>>>>> would work in a
>>>>>> deck stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for
>>>>>> $23, so I can't
>>>>>> even test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several
>>>>>> days to paint
>>>>>> it with deck stain because half the timbers would be
>>>>>> covered (or
>>>>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>>>>>
>>>>> A dab of red tint will turn your green stuff brown....
>>>>
>>>>Don't it make my brown eyes blue?
>>>
>>> My brown eyes get red when I have the blues, coo coo
>>> kachoo.
>>
>>Because of - the cat that ate your new shoes?
>
> I know nothing of that, sir. My cat walks through walls.
>
> --
> You do not need a parachute to skydive.
> You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

LJ:

I talked to my friend. He has no slapdash fix. Unless you
have luck in dutifully prowling the aisles of the readymade,
a custom cure gonna cost you.

There is another way to play it off, for playing.
Tell the client green is the new brown.
Tell the client revisions in color theory
have made green and brown complementary
colors. Lastly and away, tell him to live with
reality and say you did your best to find a
way around it unless he wants to pay extra
for compatibile brown paint/stain over a termicidal dose.

I'm worried about your cat. The granite in your word
would never put your observations in question
or presume them jests. But if you're funnin',
jokes are sacred nuttiness exempt from
all except sanctimony. Should you
look on this page:
http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/4last-things4b.htm
you may find out why your cat likes fish...and learn that
one of the attributes of the "glorified body" is subtelty,
including
the ability to pass through walls. It is a trait of the end
time.
No aspersion on the context or tradition implicated is
implied or to be taken under any and all circumstances. If
some
see merriment, others may see a final sign. All I've got
to say is it may be getting an early start at your place. Or
you're a brujo.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On Mon, 4 Apr 2011 23:23:26 -0700, "Edward Hennessey"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of
>> pressure
>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and
>> sold
>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now
>> making only
>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated
>> lumber is now
>> brown, not green.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a
>> preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
>> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my
>> own? I just
>> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't
>> make it and
>> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin'
>> regulations.
>>
>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would
>> work in a deck
>> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I
>> can't even
>> test it for a rational price. <deep sigh>
>>
>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days
>> to paint it
>> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered
>> (or
>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>>
>LJ:
>
>Testing is for those high-flying, daredevil pilots. Find
>what might
>work and call the company concerned unless a more savvy
>someone already knows. If nobody here arises, perhaps a
>search under a selection of pesticide trade names and
>("deck stain" OR stain) might mean something.
>
>Tim-Bor is a borax termicidal treatment for wood that gets
>top
>talk with less likelihood of endowing you with that third
>hand
>you always need.

Sometimes, genetic mutation is A Good Thing(tm). I had my house
timbored last year. Good stuff, and cheap. But it hardens in solution
so it has to be mixed and used immediately. Boracare is even worse,
mixing out like honey. The guys like to spray it immediately after
mixing with hot water.

>Maybe you can stain over it instead of
>making
>a devil's cocktail with pigment?

As I said, timing is critical. I need to swab and install each piece
instantly. I can't wait for hours or days due to the
cut-to-fit-and-build-right-over-it timing. Unfortunately, it has to
be a single-shot application.


>There are some really fearsome termicides that have been
>banned into the secondary market of new old stock.
>However, given their cost and advisability
>of a full-dress space outfit, I hope you find another
>option.

Copper naphthenate was Jasco's main ingredient for preservative and
pesticide, and I believe that it's still being used in the green
stuff. The clear goop moved to zinc naphthenate.


>BTW, an ant species exists that actually eats your unwanted
>tenants. There welcome at my picnics anytime.

Oh, sure. While dumping a $2,500 cannister of imported ants on the
client's freshly built deck, I tell him why it costs so much more this
year than last? I think I'd lose future bids.

--
You do not need a parachute to skydive.
You only need a parachute to skydive twice.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 00:40:17 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:28:19 -0400, Gerald Ross <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can't find any Jasco Termin-8 to paint the cut ends of pressure
>>>> treated lumber any more. Evidently Homax bought Jasco and sold
>>>> Termin-8 to Black Flag and they stopped making brown, now making only
>>>> green. The problem is that 90% of all pressure treated lumber is now
>>>> brown, not green.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know of a preservative/dye/pesticide/mildewcide that comes
>>>> in brown or can be mixed with deck stain so I can make my own? I just
>>>> emailed Superdeck to see if they did. They said they don't make it and
>>>> can't comment on it or test anything because of frackin' regulations.
>>>>
>>>> I've found a clear pesticide but don't know if it would work in a deck
>>>> stain. It comes in gallons only and sells for $23, so I can't even
>>>> test it for a rational price.<deep sigh>
>>>>
>>>> And I can't just paint it with clear and wait several days to paint it
>>>> with deck stain because half the timbers would be covered (or
>>>> underground) by then. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
>
>If all you are doing is the ends and "most of it will be underground", what
>difference does the color make. And why can't you do as suggested and tint a
>small amount as a test?

Interesting paraphrasing there, Lobby. Only about half the pieces are
covered or underground, and the portion underground is 1/4 of the
total, so that's 1/8 underground, which could, indeed, be green or
other ugly color.

The part which counts is the half which shows: Eye-level rails, the
ends of porches and steps, uncapped posts, etc.

Also, using multiple colors in front of the client is usually unwise.

--
Some people are like Slinkies ... not really good for
anything, but you can't help smiling when you see one
tumble down the stairs.