I had planned to use some aluminum angle pieces to tie down the front of
some benches I made for my deck. When I looked at the tag on the PT wood it
said "Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum".
The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
Keeter
Markem (sixoneeight) wrote:
> ...
>
> There is a non toxic alternative check out http://www.timbersil.com/
> I saw it in the September TOH magazine in a one page blurb. Have not
> used it but if the cost the same and you can get it, why not? Other
> than silcia will eat your saw blades.
>
Where can you buy the stuff retail?
The voicemailbox on their 800 number is full.
--
FF
Markem (sixoneeight) wrote:
> On 8 Aug 2005 10:50:45 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >Markem (sixoneeight) wrote:
> >> ...
> >>
> >> There is a non toxic alternative check out http://www.timbersil.com/
> >> I saw it in the September TOH magazine in a one page blurb. Have not
> >> used it but if the cost the same and you can get it, why not? Other
> >> than silcia will eat your saw blades.
> >>
> >
> >Where can you buy the stuff retail?
> >
> >The voicemailbox on their 800 number is full.
>
> Wish I knew, local lumber yard is looking at getting some at my query.
> Did you try email or are you an impatient type like myself?
False dichotomy. Both are true. ;-)
However the spammers have pretty much destroyed the usefulness of
email for small to medium sized businesses.
> Seems as
> though they are trying to lineup "treaters" as there are only two
> listed on the web site might be an opportunity to get in on the ground
> floor.
>
Yes, maybe we should contact the licensed treaters to see who their
customers are.
--
FF
In article <[email protected]>,
Beej-in-GA <[email protected]> wrote:
<previous quotes snipped...>
>Great! The government makes a product that works as advertised to be taken
>out production. It is replaced by something that is known to react
>_unfavorably_ with accepted, cost effective, materials and practices forcing
>the industry to go to extreme lengths or radically increase the cost of
>doing business. All of this because people can't or won't learn to handle
>materials in a safe and responsible manner. Or, more likely, some litigious
>jerk found a lawyer to make a corporation pay for the jerk's mishandling of
>the materials.
>
>
Did you also notice that the ACQ and CA products cost more than the
old CCA? Reminds me of DuPont and freon.
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:39:23 GMT, "Salmo" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I had planned to use some aluminum angle pieces to tie down the front of
>>some benches I made for my deck. When I looked at the tag on the PT wood
>>it
>>said "Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum".
>>
>>The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
>>compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
>
> Dissimilar metals will produce a mild electric charge- enough to cause
> one metal or the other to decay very quickly.
>
Doubtful this would pertain here. Dissimilar metals as electrodes and an
electrolyte, maybe. Like the aluminum window frames and steel screws they
used on the US embassy in Cuba. Sits right at the shore in the salt air.
"Todd Fatheree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Doubtful this would pertain here. Dissimilar metals as electrodes and an
>> electrolyte, maybe. Like the aluminum window frames and steel screws
>> they
>> used on the US embassy in Cuba. Sits right at the shore in the salt air.
>
> It's doubtful that a plain steel screw would be used. More likely that a
> galvanized steel would be used. And since zinc and aluminum have a
> relatively small potential difference, it's not a big problem.
>
Perhaps I was unclear. I was stating fact, not speculation. The aluminum
was eaten away an inch or more in some directions. The rusty screws which
had the protection of the aluminum were in good shape. Where the aluminum
had ceased to be in contact, there was a modest pile of rust where the screw
had been.
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:39:23 GMT, "Salmo" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I had planned to use some aluminum angle pieces to tie down the front of
>some benches I made for my deck. When I looked at the tag on the PT wood it
>said "Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum".
>
>The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
>compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
Dissimilar metals will produce a mild electric charge- enough to cause
one metal or the other to decay very quickly.
"Lawrence Wasserman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Beej-in-GA <[email protected]> wrote:
> <previous quotes snipped...>
> Did you also notice that the ACQ and CA products cost more than the
> old CCA? Reminds me of DuPont and freon.
>
>
> --
>
> Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
> [email protected]
>
Why, of curse it does! Wasn't that part of the plan?
Later,
Beej
"Joe User" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
>> compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
>
> My guess is, the Al turns to a pile of white powdery gunk. The stuff is
> pretty corrosive.
>
> The recommendations I've heard/read are to use stainless or, barring that,
> heavily galvanized (hot-dipped?) materials.
>
> I seem to remember a _This_Old_House_ episode where they used heavily
> galvanized brackets and used a rubber sheet between the wood and the
> bracket. They even went so far as to use a piece of rubber hose slipped
> onto a hot-dipped galvanized lag screw to keep the screw from contacting
> the wood.
>
> -j
Great! The government makes a product that works as advertised to be taken
out production. It is replaced by something that is known to react
_unfavorably_ with accepted, cost effective, materials and practices forcing
the industry to go to extreme lengths or radically increase the cost of
doing business. All of this because people can't or won't learn to handle
materials in a safe and responsible manner. Or, more likely, some litigious
jerk found a lawyer to make a corporation pay for the jerk's mishandling of
the materials.
"George" <George@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:39:23 GMT, "Salmo" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I had planned to use some aluminum angle pieces to tie down the front of
> >>some benches I made for my deck. When I looked at the tag on the PT wood
> >>it
> >>said "Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum".
> >>
> >>The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
> >>compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
> >
> > Dissimilar metals will produce a mild electric charge- enough to cause
> > one metal or the other to decay very quickly.
> >
>
> Doubtful this would pertain here. Dissimilar metals as electrodes and an
> electrolyte, maybe. Like the aluminum window frames and steel screws they
> used on the US embassy in Cuba. Sits right at the shore in the salt air.
It's doubtful that a plain steel screw would be used. More likely that a
galvanized steel would be used. And since zinc and aluminum have a
relatively small potential difference, it's not a big problem.
todd
> The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
> compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
My guess is, the Al turns to a pile of white powdery gunk. The stuff is
pretty corrosive.
The recommendations I've heard/read are to use stainless or, barring
that, heavily galvanized (hot-dipped?) materials.
I seem to remember a _This_Old_House_ episode where they used heavily
galvanized brackets and used a rubber sheet between the wood and the
bracket. They even went so far as to use a piece of rubber hose slipped
onto a hot-dipped galvanized lag screw to keep the screw from contacting
the wood.
-j
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:57:21 -0400, "George" <George@least> wrote:
>
>"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:39:23 GMT, "Salmo" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I had planned to use some aluminum angle pieces to tie down the front of
>>>some benches I made for my deck. When I looked at the tag on the PT wood
>>>it
>>>said "Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum".
>>>
>>>The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
>>>compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
>>
>> Dissimilar metals will produce a mild electric charge- enough to cause
>> one metal or the other to decay very quickly.
>>
>
>Doubtful this would pertain here. Dissimilar metals as electrodes and an
>electrolyte, maybe. Like the aluminum window frames and steel screws they
>used on the US embassy in Cuba. Sits right at the shore in the salt air.
No? Seems like a solid state battery to me. It's treated with an
Alkaline copper compound, and then a dissimilar metal is pounded into
it as an [anode?] (I always get anode/cathode mixed up) Put it in a
little metal cylander and throw a volt meter on it, and I'd bet you'd
get a reading- not a Duracell, to be sure, but a simple battery none
the less.
I belive the problem here is that the wood will also retain a bit of
moisture. This moisture, along with the "Alkaline" compounds will create an
alkaline environment in contact with the aluminum. Aluminum dissolves in
alkaline solutions. That's why they tell you never to use oven cleaning
compounds on aluminum (strong alkaline solution). Understand, this won't
happen overnight, but the situation is similar to using untreated steel
angles for this job. Over time, they will both corrode.
BruceT
"Prometheus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:39:23 GMT, "Salmo" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I had planned to use some aluminum angle pieces to tie down the front of
>>some benches I made for my deck. When I looked at the tag on the PT wood
>>it
>>said "Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum".
>>
>>The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
>>compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
>
> Dissimilar metals will produce a mild electric charge- enough to cause
> one metal or the other to decay very quickly.
>
Stainless steel, ceramic + epoxy coated or triple dip galv.Painted aluminum
may be OK but check with your PT supplier first. Dave."Salmo"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
>I had planned to use some aluminum angle pieces to tie down the front of
>some benches I made for my deck. When I looked at the tag on the PT wood it
>said "Do not use preserved wood in direct contact with aluminum".
>
> The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
> compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
>
> Keeter
>
On 8 Aug 2005 10:50:45 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>Markem (sixoneeight) wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> There is a non toxic alternative check out http://www.timbersil.com/
>> I saw it in the September TOH magazine in a one page blurb. Have not
>> used it but if the cost the same and you can get it, why not? Other
>> than silcia will eat your saw blades.
>>
>
>Where can you buy the stuff retail?
>
>The voicemailbox on their 800 number is full.
Wish I knew, local lumber yard is looking at getting some at my query.
Did you try email or are you an impatient type like myself? Seems as
though they are trying to lineup "treaters" as there are only two
listed on the web site might be an opportunity to get in on the ground
floor.
Mark
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:37:34 GMT, [email protected] (Lawrence
Wasserman) wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Beej-in-GA <[email protected]> wrote:
><previous quotes snipped...>
>
>>Great! The government makes a product that works as advertised to be taken
>>out production. It is replaced by something that is known to react
>>_unfavorably_ with accepted, cost effective, materials and practices forcing
>>the industry to go to extreme lengths or radically increase the cost of
>>doing business. All of this because people can't or won't learn to handle
>>materials in a safe and responsible manner. Or, more likely, some litigious
>>jerk found a lawyer to make a corporation pay for the jerk's mishandling of
>>the materials.
>>
>>
>
>Did you also notice that the ACQ and CA products cost more than the
>old CCA? Reminds me of DuPont and freon.
There is a non toxic alternative check out http://www.timbersil.com/
I saw it in the September TOH magazine in a one page blurb. Have not
used it but if the cost the same and you can get it, why not? Other
than silcia will eat your saw blades.
Mark
"Salmo" wrote in message
> The label says the wood is treated with Alkaline copper quaternary
> compounds. Anyone know what happens if Al is used with this??
In simplistic layman's terms, rapidly increased corrosion/oxidation of the
aluminum due to chemical reaction with the ACQ.
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