Ohhh noooo! not another outdoor wood question!
I'll ask anyway 8^)
For general outdoor furniture (tables, chairs, gates, etc) which would
be best suited for the southwestern environment (lots of hot dry sun,
little water)
Redwood, Cyprus, Ipe.
I want something that needs ZERO stains/sealers/waxes/paint/fuss/muss.
This is the key, any finish applied to outdoor wood here goes bad after
one year. Maintenance sucks, I just want some wood that can be used to
build stuff that will hold up for 5 or more years before needing sanding
or replacing. I don't mind spending more on something that should last
longer (gates) and less on the mundane (benches) (exotics like teak are
just a bit too pricey to consider). The example that is irking me right
now is a small bench with cast iron legs and arms. Current wood is white
oak that was sanded and sealed with multiple coats
of spar varnish last spring. It needs to be done over again so I was
thinking of just replacing the oak slats with ipe or some other more
durable wood.
Thanks!
-Bruce
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:50:32 -0700, Grandpa wrote
(in message <[email protected]>):
> I'm in Albuquerque and have used cedar for a number of small outdoor
> projects, including a cedar fence 20+ years ago when we put in a pool.
> The fence has outlasted the pool by several years now. I did a redwood
> stain on the fence but only because I wanted the reddish color. Other
> things I've made with cedar and redwood have lasted well and aged due to
> the sun. Inthe case of cedar it turned brown and the redwood lightened,
> sun bleach. If you can handle the cost, redwood will do real well in
> this environment, little sanding and no splinters to speak of. I've
> never used either of the other two you mention.
>
I have my current walk through gate made from cedar (yellow I think), the
stuff you use for fence pickets. It works well, but does go through a lot of
dimensional changes which may cause problems in some of my aplications
(benches) and it is a bit lacking in strength. I have several bird feeders
however (yellow and aromatic) that cedar is perfect for. I need to make a
patio cover for which I think redwood will be ideal, good to know It should
last.
Thanks for the input Grandpa!
-Bruce
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 8:42:06 -0700, Leon wrote
(in message <[email protected]>):
>
> I work with Ipe quite often and while it does have a few splinters where you
> malke a cut, as with any wood they disappear after you sand the edge. Most
> deck companies sell the fact that Ipe does not splinter after the surface
> has been smoothed. I have never witnessed a problem with Ipe in an out door
> application. You can buy Ipe decking planks that already have rounded edges
> and is 5/4 thick.
I'll have to find some sources for the decking material. I imagine it should
be cheaper than the hardwood resellers stuff.
>
>
> Depending on the type Purple Heart you end up with, It may not remain pruple
> for long after being exposed to the sun light. Some will turn brown some
> will become more purple.
> Any way If you have never worked with Ipe, it is almost as hard as a rock,
> and HEAVY. Carbide blades and drilled holes will be required with each
> screw.
>
Good! I'll put away the WWII and burn up some of the cheap carbide I have
stashed away.
-Bruce
> > Redwood, Cyprus, Ipe.
> >
> > I want something that needs ZERO stains/sealers/waxes/paint/fuss/muss.
>
> Actually you do not have to stain or seal any of those woods. None are
> going to hold their color with out regular every year or two redo's.
Right, From what I understand a wood choice from this group of three
would
let me escape from the "finishing" process.
>
> If you want to build it and forget it for the next 30 to 50 years, go with
> Ipe. It has a life span of about 50 years outdoors. It is a medium dark
> wood to start with but will fade to a lighter color within the year. It
> will however require no maintenance and is kind to bare feet when installed.
> It does not splinter.
Hmmm. I had one fellow building a deck with ipe state that micro
splinters are
a constant issue (resands the railings periodically). I don't really
care about
any color changes, I just want the durability without having to apply
any form
of finish or do routine sanding on items that get sat upon.
Ipe still looks like a good choice due to its better structural
properties (gates)
versus the softer redwoods. I've seen purple heart around on occasion
for not to bad
of price and I know it is big for structural stuff in SA. The spousal
unit would really
go for the color 8^)
Thanks for the reply
-Bruce
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P van Rijckevorsel wrote:
> Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
> > Damn, ya mean they moved Brazil out of South America?
> > Durn fool politicians, anyway.
> > http://ipe-wood.com/tech.html
>
> + + +
> Why do provide a link that does not support your position?
> No "sa" or "SA" to be found.
Read the first sentence of the link:
"An incredibly durable Brazilian
Hardwood rated by the US Forest
Lab for 25 years plus."
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
> > Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
> > > Ipe is good. Imported from SA.
> "P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote
> > Wrong continent!
> > PvR
Leon <[email protected]> schreef
> SA, South America is the correct continent as well as CA, Central America
> and Mexico.
+ + +
SA as a geographic designation is to be taken as meaning South Africa. Sure,
locally it may occasionally used to mean South America, South Australia or
whatever, but unless you specify a context it is a country in Africa.
As to what CA means geographically, I will leave that to others.
PvR
> >Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
> >> Ipe is good. Imported from SA.
"P van Rijckevorsel" > <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky
depths:
> >Wrong continent!
Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
> Damn, ya mean they moved Brazil out of South America?
> Durn fool politicians, anyway.
> http://ipe-wood.com/tech.html
+ + +
Why do provide a link that does not support your position?
No "sa" or "SA" to be found.
+ + +
> (Leave it to a European to think SA = South Africa...or
> was it Swiss Alps? ;)
+ + +
Or anybody who ever mailed something intercontinental ...
PvR
Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef > >
> It's a link to Brazilian hardwoods, and I've been told that
> Brazil was in South America. Make the conceptual jump!
+ + +
Let's see, you say ipe comes from SA, then to support this provide a link
that claims it comes from Brazil, and from this you expect people to deduce
where it really comes from. Actually there is not a concept to be found in
there. You are just waving words about.
+ + +
> Murphy was an Optimist
+ + +
Actually you believe in the reverse of Murphy's Law.
"If by any stretch of the imagination it could go right I have done my bit.
If it goes wrong it is anybody's fault but mine."
PvR
Leon <[email protected]> schreef
> With that thought process, I wonder what initials are used for Saudi
> Arabia??
+ + +
You may be on to something there. Never had anything to do with that
country. Not known for its wood, is it?
PvR
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:10:02 -0700, Bruce Rowen <[email protected]>
brought forth from the murky depths:
>Ohhh noooo! not another outdoor wood question!
>
>I'll ask anyway 8^)
>
>For general outdoor furniture (tables, chairs, gates, etc) which would
>be best suited for the southwestern environment (lots of hot dry sun,
>little water)
>
>Redwood, Cyprus, Ipe.
Redwood is good, and produced locally so it's cheaper. It
weathers the least of these three.
Cyprus is a country/island, turkey. Uh, I meant "near
Turkey". For more info, call our friends, the CIA:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/cy.html
Cypress is a wood. Impoat'd fum Misipi. OK.
Ipe is good. Imported from SA. HEAVY!
As do all woods, all 3 will weather and turn gray. Yuck.
I hate gray. Oil your damned wood, wouldya, guys?
-- Friends Don't Let Friends Eat Turkey and Drive --
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 09:54:35 +0100, "P van Rijckevorsel"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>> >Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
>> >> Ipe is good. Imported from SA.
>
>"P van Rijckevorsel" > <[email protected]> brought forth from the murky
>depths:
>> >Wrong continent!
>
>Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
>> Damn, ya mean they moved Brazil out of South America?
>> Durn fool politicians, anyway.
>> http://ipe-wood.com/tech.html
>
>+ + +
>Why do provide a link that does not support your position?
>No "sa" or "SA" to be found.
It's a link to Brazilian hardwoods, and I've been told that
Brazil was in South America. Make the conceptual jump!
>+ + +
>> (Leave it to a European to think SA = South Africa...or
>> was it Swiss Alps? ;)
>
>+ + +
>Or anybody who ever mailed something intercontinental ...
I'd write 'South Africa' or 'South America' on an ICBMailer.
YMMV.
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I'm in Albuquerque and have used cedar for a number of small outdoor
projects, including a cedar fence 20+ years ago when we put in a pool.
The fence has outlasted the pool by several years now. I did a redwood
stain on the fence but only because I wanted the reddish color. Other
things I've made with cedar and redwood have lasted well and aged due to
the sun. Inthe case of cedar it turned brown and the redwood lightened,
sun bleach. If you can handle the cost, redwood will do real well in
this environment, little sanding and no splinters to speak of. I've
never used either of the other two you mention.
Bruce Rowen wrote:
> Ohhh noooo! not another outdoor wood question!
>
> I'll ask anyway 8^)
>
> For general outdoor furniture (tables, chairs, gates, etc) which would
> be best suited for the southwestern environment (lots of hot dry sun,
> little water)
>
> Redwood, Cyprus, Ipe.
>
> I want something that needs ZERO stains/sealers/waxes/paint/fuss/muss.
> This is the key, any finish applied to outdoor wood here goes bad after
> one year. Maintenance sucks, I just want some wood that can be used to
> build stuff that will hold up for 5 or more years before needing sanding
> or replacing. I don't mind spending more on something that should last
> longer (gates) and less on the mundane (benches) (exotics like teak are
> just a bit too pricey to consider). The example that is irking me right
> now is a small bench with cast iron legs and arms. Current wood is white
> oak that was sanded and sealed with multiple coats
> of spar varnish last spring. It needs to be done over again so I was
> thinking of just replacing the oak slats with ipe or some other more
> durable wood.
>
> Thanks!
> -Bruce
>
>
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"P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
> > Ipe is good. Imported from SA.
>
> + + +
> Wrong continent!
> PvR
SA, South America is the correct continent as well as CA, Central America
and Mexico.
"P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > > Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
> > > > Ipe is good. Imported from SA.
>
> > "P van Rijckevorsel" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > Wrong continent!
> > > PvR
>
> Leon <[email protected]> schreef
> > SA, South America is the correct continent as well as CA, Central
America
> > and Mexico.
>
> + + +
> SA as a geographic designation is to be taken as meaning South Africa.
Sure,
> locally it may occasionally used to mean South America, South Australia or
> whatever, but unless you specify a context it is a country in Africa.
>
> As to what CA means geographically, I will leave that to others.
> PvR
With that thought process, I wonder what initials are used for Saudi
Arabia??
"Bruce Rowen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Redwood, Cyprus, Ipe.
>
> I want something that needs ZERO stains/sealers/waxes/paint/fuss/muss.
Actually you do not have to stain or seal any of those woods. None are
going to hold their color with out regular every year or two redo's.
> This is the key, any finish applied to outdoor wood here goes bad after
> one year.
That is not unique to the SW.
Maintenance sucks, I just want some wood that can be used to
> build stuff that will hold up for 5 or more years before needing sanding
> or replacing. I don't mind spending more on something that should last
> longer (gates) and less on the mundane (benches) (exotics like teak are
> just a bit too pricey to consider). The example that is irking me right
> now is a small bench with cast iron legs and arms. Current wood is white
> oak that was sanded and sealed with multiple coats
> of spar varnish last spring. It needs to be done over again so I was
> thinking of just replacing the oak slats with ipe or some other more
> durable wood.
If you want to build it and forget it for the next 30 to 50 years, go with
Ipe. It has a life span of about 50 years outdoors. It is a medium dark
wood to start with but will fade to a lighter color within the year. It
will however require no maintenance and is kind to bare feet when installed.
It does not splinter.
"Bruce Rowen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hmmm. I had one fellow building a deck with ipe state that micro
> splinters are
> a constant issue (resands the railings periodically). I don't really
> care about
> any color changes, I just want the durability without having to apply
> any form
> of finish or do routine sanding on items that get sat upon.
I work with Ipe quite often and while it does have a few splinters where you
malke a cut, as with any wood they disappear after you sand the edge. Most
deck companies sell the fact that Ipe does not splinter after the surface
has been smoothed. I have never witnessed a problem with Ipe in an out door
application. You can buy Ipe decking planks that already have rounded edges
and is 5/4 thick.
> Ipe still looks like a good choice due to its better structural
> properties (gates)
> versus the softer redwoods. I've seen purple heart around on occasion
> for not to bad
> of price and I know it is big for structural stuff in SA. The spousal
> unit would really
> go for the color 8^)
Depending on the type Purple Heart you end up with, It may not remain pruple
for long after being exposed to the sun light. Some will turn brown some
will become more purple.
Any way If you have never worked with Ipe, it is almost as hard as a rock,
and HEAVY. Carbide blades and drilled holes will be required with each
screw.
> Thanks for the reply
> -Bruce
>
>
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 12:19:17 +0100, "P van Rijckevorsel"
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com> schreef
>> Ipe is good. Imported from SA.
>
>+ + +
>Wrong continent!
Damn, ya mean they moved Brazil out of South America?
Durn fool politicians, anyway.
http://ipe-wood.com/tech.html
(Leave it to a European to think SA = South Africa...or
was it Swiss Alps? ;)
-- Friends Don't Let Friends Eat Turkey and Drive --
"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> (Leave it to a European to think SA = South Africa...or
> was it Swiss Alps? ;)
LOL I was thinkin, he was thinkin, SA meant SanAntonio... ;~)