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"bent"

08/03/2006 1:23 PM

the blade and the fence

when setting up a fence on a 10" TS what is going on to make the ripped
piece what it ends up measuring? Sometimes having one end .027", .017" or
.007" different from the other on a 24"x8" rip can be a bummer.


-The blade may wobble a bit. I know you can measure this. maybe adjust it.
not for me, yet, and don't care about furry now, just final dim. question.
-The blade may not be aligned "straight ahead". I currently ain't gonna
measure and adjust my direct drive.

The fence may be out of line w/ theoretical parallel to blade. In my
case a $300 cast Al TS, the fence locks hard, is pretty solid/perpendicular
for my needs, and can be pushed when snug or tapped when tight at the far
side. It can be systematically held when locking the push lever-lock down
& gives it a consistent alignment each time - it is good enough for me. It
may or may not really be good. But when I want to be sure I put a
straightedge & piece of wood across the front of the cast Al table edge, and
tap/push the fence into what looks like right. But I dunno if its the blade
after.

actually I haven't systematically checked any of the above.

I am equally curious, though, because I do end up w/ pieces I want to be
a=|a|! that aren't, and I don't like to sand them there.

If the blade where an infinitely small beam of vertical light, the fence
could be at any angle, and the piece would be the same at each end. I want
to know what's going on w/r/t the fence &/or blade so I know how to get a
straight edge, regardless of what's going on. Any pointers?



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"Woodchuck34"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

08/03/2006 1:40 PM

Sounds like you need a dial indcator and a flat piece of wood. I agree
with Bob, sounds like you already know what the possible causes are,
just need the time to fix them.

Here's a good resource:

http://www.newwoodworker.com/dilindjiguse.html

Chuck

JP

"Jay Pique"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

08/03/2006 6:20 PM


Swingman wrote:
> Every time I see it I keep thinking that the subject would be a great name
> for a woodworker's pub:
>
> "The Blade and Fence".

I used to drink excessive amounts of extraordinary beer at a place
called L'Atelier in Brussels. (It's The Workshop, in French.)

JP

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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

08/03/2006 11:50 PM

In the early days of stick and string.
I don't know what anybody thinks.



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:15 AM

x=.9repeated
10x=9.9repeated
10x-1x=9.9repeated-.9repeated
9x=9
x=1



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:17 AM

I just post questions b/c I like to hear myself type.



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:24 AM

and as for you, all beer is extraordinary



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:27 AM

I prefer mine slightly fruity.



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:31 AM

with lots of blood



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:36 AM

those nails are for the o/ side of the house



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:37 AM

look at me Leon, postmaster general



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"bent"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

09/03/2006 12:44 AM

I mean, all in all, can I even try, i.e move the back of the fence, or is it
something else, which I may not want to bother with. Can it be overcome w/
knowledge? I am not talking about a specific piece, or a specific
un-parallelness, just a general rip. I'm not gonna go into depth here.



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"BobS"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

08/03/2006 6:53 PM

For the most part you've answered your own questions as to why you're having
a problem and you know what the fix is but you don't want to do it. So why
would we want to provide a long drawn out response telling you what you
already know but don't want to do?

Bob S.


"bent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> when setting up a fence on a 10" TS what is going on to make the ripped
> piece what it ends up measuring? Sometimes having one end .027", .017" or
> .007" different from the other on a 24"x8" rip can be a bummer.
>
>
> -The blade may wobble a bit. I know you can measure this. maybe adjust
> it. not for me, yet, and don't care about furry now, just final dim.
> question.
> -The blade may not be aligned "straight ahead". I currently ain't gonna
> measure and adjust my direct drive.
>
> The fence may be out of line w/ theoretical parallel to blade. In my
> case a $300 cast Al TS, the fence locks hard, is pretty
> solid/perpendicular for my needs, and can be pushed when snug or tapped
> when tight at the far side. It can be systematically held when locking
> the push lever-lock down & gives it a consistent alignment each time - it
> is good enough for me. It may or may not really be good. But when I want
> to be sure I put a straightedge & piece of wood across the front of the
> cast Al table edge, and tap/push the fence into what looks like right.
> But I dunno if its the blade after.
>
> actually I haven't systematically checked any of the above.
>
> I am equally curious, though, because I do end up w/ pieces I want to be
> a=|a|! that aren't, and I don't like to sand them there.
>
> If the blade where an infinitely small beam of vertical light, the fence
> could be at any angle, and the piece would be the same at each end. I
> want to know what's going on w/r/t the fence &/or blade so I know how to
> get a straight edge, regardless of what's going on. Any pointers?
>
>
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"Swingman"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

08/03/2006 6:14 PM

Every time I see it I keep thinking that the subject would be a great name
for a woodworker's pub:

"The Blade and Fence".

;)

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"C&S"

in reply to "bent" on 08/03/2006 1:23 PM

08/03/2006 6:47 PM

> "bent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > when setting up a fence on a 10" TS what is going on to make the ripped
> > piece what it ends up measuring? Sometimes having one end .027", .017"
or
> > .007" different from the other on a 24"x8" rip can be a bummer.

So you do consecutive rips and there is up to a .02" difference.

That's a pretty small number. Very reasonable performance for an unalligned
low-end saw.

Or that could *all* be attributed to a not perfectly straight edge against
the fence.

Did you joint that stock?

-Steve





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