I've posted this to both rec.crafts.metalworking and to rec.woodworking
because I am actually cutting plastic--and I suspect that members of
both groups will have experience that might answer this question.
I have a miter saw (or chop saw, as some people call it) that I have
been using to cut both UHMW polyethylene and Delrin rod into 3"
cylinder. In the smaller sizes (2 3/8" diameter and smaller), this
works pretty well. I end up with close enough to a right angle that I
can put these into my lathe and face the ends to a perfect 90 degree
angle.
I'm now trying to cut larger rods (2.75" and 3.25" diameter), and the
results are so far from 90 degree angles that I can't lock the lathe
chuck down firmly enough to hold the workpiece in place. I can see the
miter saw blade bending as I cut the cylinders off the rod.
What am I doing wrong?
Am I using the wrong tool for cutting rods this thick?
Am I putting too much pressure on the blade, and I need to go a lot
slower?
Help!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've posted this to both rec.crafts.metalworking and to rec.woodworking
> because I am actually cutting plastic--and I suspect that members of
> both groups will have experience that might answer this question.
>
> I have a miter saw (or chop saw, as some people call it) that I have
> been using to cut both UHMW polyethylene and Delrin rod into 3"
> cylinder. In the smaller sizes (2 3/8" diameter and smaller), this
> works pretty well. I end up with close enough to a right angle that I
> can put these into my lathe and face the ends to a perfect 90 degree
> angle.
>
> I'm now trying to cut larger rods (2.75" and 3.25" diameter), and the
> results are so far from 90 degree angles that I can't lock the lathe
> chuck down firmly enough to hold the workpiece in place. I can see the
> miter saw blade bending as I cut the cylinders off the rod.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Am I using the wrong tool for cutting rods this thick?
>
> Am I putting too much pressure on the blade, and I need to go a lot
> slower?
>
> Help!
Very common problem when using a thin kerf blade and/or the material is
slick and subsequently moves in the process of cutting.
Since you are cutting Delrin and UHMW (building an airplane?) you should use
a better, standard kerf blade designed to cut acrylics/plastics and clamp
the material.
Dave
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[email protected]) said:
| I've posted this to both rec.crafts.metalworking and to
| rec.woodworking because I am actually cutting plastic--and I
| suspect that members of both groups will have experience that might
| answer this question.
|
| I have a miter saw (or chop saw, as some people call it) that I have
| been using to cut both UHMW polyethylene and Delrin rod into 3"
| cylinder. In the smaller sizes (2 3/8" diameter and smaller), this
| works pretty well. I end up with close enough to a right angle
| that I can put these into my lathe and face the ends to a perfect
| 90 degree angle.
|
| I'm now trying to cut larger rods (2.75" and 3.25" diameter), and
| the results are so far from 90 degree angles that I can't lock the
| lathe chuck down firmly enough to hold the workpiece in place. I
| can see the miter saw blade bending as I cut the cylinders off the
| rod.
|
| What am I doing wrong?
The miter saw blade shouldn't be bending. Is the workpiece shifting as
you cut?
| Am I using the wrong tool for cutting rods this thick?
Not really. I usually cut UHMWPE on my table saw and Delrin rod on a
horizontal bandsaw; but the chop saw should work.
| Am I putting too much pressure on the blade, and I need to go a lot
| slower?
Hmm. Could be a problem. Don't attempt to push the blade through the
material - let the saw do the work. If the blade doesn't cut without
pressure, it's probably time to get it sharpened.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto
I mentioned that I used a horizontal bandsaw to cut Delrin rod - then
thought you might enjoy seeing an accessory I built to make the job
even easier. I've posted a photo to
news:alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking of my replacement for the
movable vise jaw.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto
First thing I would try is a new blade. Sounds like the one you are using
is dull on one side. Also check to see if the "set" of the blade is equal
from side to side. There are washers available to stiffen the blade if you
have the clearance.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I've posted this to both rec.crafts.metalworking and to rec.woodworking
> because I am actually cutting plastic--and I suspect that members of
> both groups will have experience that might answer this question.
>
> I have a miter saw (or chop saw, as some people call it) that I have
> been using to cut both UHMW polyethylene and Delrin rod into 3"
> cylinder. In the smaller sizes (2 3/8" diameter and smaller), this
> works pretty well. I end up with close enough to a right angle that I
> can put these into my lathe and face the ends to a perfect 90 degree
> angle.
>
> I'm now trying to cut larger rods (2.75" and 3.25" diameter), and the
> results are so far from 90 degree angles that I can't lock the lathe
> chuck down firmly enough to hold the workpiece in place. I can see the
> miter saw blade bending as I cut the cylinders off the rod.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Am I using the wrong tool for cutting rods this thick?
>
> Am I putting too much pressure on the blade, and I need to go a lot
> slower?
>
> Help!
>
Would have to agree with Dave regarding the blade being the problem. It's
my opinion that the use of thin-kerf blades can often be counter productive,
because the material saved by the narrower cut is more than offset by
spoilage of material due to blade deflection and off-square cuts. Judging
from inventory at HD and Lowes, however, it would appear that the majority
of customers prefer thin-kerf blades. Perhaps square cuts are not important
when one is doing rough construction.
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> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I've posted this to both rec.crafts.metalworking and to rec.woodworking
> > because I am actually cutting plastic--and I suspect that members of
> > both groups will have experience that might answer this question.
> >
> > I have a miter saw (or chop saw, as some people call it) that I have
> > been using to cut both UHMW polyethylene and Delrin rod into 3"
> > cylinder. In the smaller sizes (2 3/8" diameter and smaller), this
> > works pretty well. I end up with close enough to a right angle that I
> > can put these into my lathe and face the ends to a perfect 90 degree
> > angle.
> >
> > I'm now trying to cut larger rods (2.75" and 3.25" diameter), and the
> > results are so far from 90 degree angles that I can't lock the lathe
> > chuck down firmly enough to hold the workpiece in place. I can see the
> > miter saw blade bending as I cut the cylinders off the rod.
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Am I using the wrong tool for cutting rods this thick?
> >
> > Am I putting too much pressure on the blade, and I need to go a lot
> > slower?
> >
> > Help!
>
> Very common problem when using a thin kerf blade and/or the material is
> slick and subsequently moves in the process of cutting.
>
> Since you are cutting Delrin and UHMW (building an airplane?) you should
use
> a better, standard kerf blade designed to cut acrylics/plastics and clamp
> the material.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I'm now trying to cut larger rods (2.75" and 3.25" diameter), and the
> results are so far from 90 degree angles that I can't lock the lathe
> chuck down firmly enough to hold the workpiece in place. I can see the
> miter saw blade bending as I cut the cylinders off the rod.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Am I using the wrong tool for cutting rods this thick?
>
> Am I putting too much pressure on the blade, and I need to go a lot
> slower?
The three things that cause a circular saw blade to wander are 1) too much
pressure, which could be caused by 2) a dull blade, and 3) not enough 'set'
on the teeth.
If your blade has gummed up with plastic, but is otherwise sharp, clean it,
and inspect to make sure the teeth really are wider than the thickness of
the blade body. On plastic, it takes a bit more set to make a clean cut,
because softened plastic tends to fill up the cut.
Cut easy, keep the work cool (by applying water if necessary), and cut
sharp.
Another possibility is that the saw frame is bending (or a pin is loose)
allowing the blade to sit square until cutting pressure is applied, then
allowing it to skew off vertical. This is not likely unless the saw is old
or has been abused.
LLoyd
TEF wrote:
>Would have to agree with Dave regarding the blade being the problem. It's
>my opinion that the use of thin-kerf blades can often be counter productive,
>because the material saved by the narrower cut is more than offset by
>spoilage of material due to blade deflection and off-square cuts. Judging
>from inventory at HD and Lowes, however, it would appear that the majority
>of customers prefer thin-kerf blades. Perhaps square cuts are not important
>when one is doing rough construction.
>
>
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>><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>>>I've posted this to both rec.crafts.metalworking and to rec.woodworking
>>>because I am actually cutting plastic--and I suspect that members of
>>>both groups will have experience that might answer this question.
>>>
>>>I have a miter saw (or chop saw, as some people call it) that I have
>>>been using to cut both UHMW polyethylene and Delrin rod into 3"
>>>cylinder. In the smaller sizes (2 3/8" diameter and smaller), this
>>>works pretty well. I end up with close enough to a right angle that I
>>>can put these into my lathe and face the ends to a perfect 90 degree
>>>angle.
>>>
>>>I'm now trying to cut larger rods (2.75" and 3.25" diameter), and the
>>>results are so far from 90 degree angles that I can't lock the lathe
>>>chuck down firmly enough to hold the workpiece in place. I can see the
>>>miter saw blade bending as I cut the cylinders off the rod.
>>>
>>>What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>>Am I using the wrong tool for cutting rods this thick?
>>>
>>>Am I putting too much pressure on the blade, and I need to go a lot
>>>slower?
>>>
>>>Help!
>>>
>>>
>>Very common problem when using a thin kerf blade and/or the material is
>>slick and subsequently moves in the process of cutting.
>>
>>Since you are cutting Delrin and UHMW (building an airplane?) you should
>>
>>
>use
>
>
>>a better, standard kerf blade designed to cut acrylics/plastics and clamp
>>the material.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
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There is a problem with long stringy chips that are carried fully around
the blade and back into the cut. They tend to roll into little
"fuzzballs" which bind and push the blade off path. I suspect the sound
your saw is making is kind of like a "zing...zing..zing" as balls climb
and pass around the blade....the blade guard makes this worse as the
chips build up in there and are grabbed in clumps also.
And....even with a good saw and blade, a miter saw gets kind of scary
when cutting the larger diameters. Things are so slippery that
everything tends to move on you. Definately a bit on the dangerous side.
Basically, you have to go fast to keep heat from building but going fast
means higher pressures trying to move the part being cut. Also, the
rigidity of most miter saws is not quite high enough to keep from
bouncing under the pressures and speed needed. 2", no problem. 2-1/2",
not bad but a little weird. 3", hold on and pray. 4", hold on, pray,
and count your fingers at the end of the day.
Personally, I'd say your best bet is to just figure the cuts are crooked
and face both ends on the lathe. your chuck should be able to get a
decent grab on the cylinder to be fairly accurate. All of these plastic
rod materials are NOT round to begin with. If you truly need a round
cylinder, you are going to have to buy oversized stock (comes that way)
and face the cylinder also.
I'm not sure what you mean by the ends being so far off 90 degrees that
you can't chuck it...using a smaller lathe maybe?
That being said, I also cut it with a miter saw using a thicker blade
designed for non-ferrous metals. I still have all my fingers although
it's been close sometimes. When time is not critical, I use the
horizontal band saw as it's just a safer method. For high volume
production, I'd use a jump saw with compressed air brushes, hudraulic
clamping, and one heck of a vacuum system to get the strings out of the
way.
Ya want some real fun, try doin 6 inchers where you have to turn the
stock and re-cut. It works but your day is hell.
Koz