This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
them for the shelves to sit in.
Here is a picture:
http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there is
way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board on
top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back and
forth.
I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished with
this one:
http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the bottom.
The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
through it and cut out a big section :)
What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
that may have been easier in the first place.
Make another sled only on 1 side of the blade and use that for the dados.
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
> ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
> made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
> them for the shelves to sit in.
>
> Here is a picture:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
>
> Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there
is
> way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board on
> top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back and
> forth.
>
> I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished with
> this one:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
>
> All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the bottom.
> The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
>
> OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
> the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> through it and cut out a big section :)
>
> What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
> another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
> that may have been easier in the first place.
>
>
Tue, Sep 16, 2003, 8:27pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Bruce) asks:
<snip> What do you guys do in a situation like that? <snip>
Make drawers. Look at all that wasted space, and all that stuff
that will collect dust.
JOAT
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 15 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In rec.woodworking
"JackD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>A lag screw is fine in shear whether you choose to use them or not.
I wasn't worried about the lag screw, I was worried about the screw
splitting the wood because it focuses the load in one 3/8" spot rather than
distributing it.
>A router would be easier than using a dado blade. Simply line the boards up,
>Clamp them, and go to work. You could probably do all of them in 15 minutes
>or so. Doing them one by one would waste time and be less accurate.
Well, I was originally going to do 3 at a time on the saw but that proved
too cumbersome. I like this idea though.
>It looks like you made your sled base out of mdf as well. If you cut a wide
>slot in it you could use the same router to cut out a section of it and
>inset/glue some hardboard to get back to "zero clearance"
Good idea. Yes, it was extra MDF from the same job.
In rec.woodworking
Jamie Jackson <[email protected]> wrote:
>Otherwise, Bruce, I hope this post inspires you to create your own
>replaceable insert sled.
You've got me thinking about it. I'm about jigged out right now. If I do
it, I'll post pics.
In rec.woodworking
"C Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It may be blasphemy to a purist woodworker, but I built MDF and 2x4 shelves
>also. Difference is I used metal support brackets - rock solid, very easy to
>use. Available at the Borg...
I looked at them. They were $2.47 each and I'd need 16 so my $80 project
just went up over $40 with tax. Not worth it too me. The dados weren't
that hard to cut and the end result looks prettier, I think :)
In rec.woodworking
[email protected] (Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT) wrote:
> Make drawers. Look at all that wasted space, and all that stuff
>that will collect dust.
My honey-do list is too long for that right now JOAT. Someday.
In rec.woodworking
"me" <[email protected]> wrote:
>That was supposed to be zero clearance inserts.
Hmmm, I didn't seen them there. I saw one post from you but no
attachments.
In rec.woodworking
Ramsey <[email protected]> wrote:
>For that particular type of work, I normally use a Skilsaw and a
>chisel. I have done a lot of it, never had any fail and couln't see
>spending a whole lot of time on it.
After people started mentioning this, I remembered the "old" days when I
was framing houses in the summer. We could dado out studs in a wall to
flush mount a 1x4 diagonal to hold the wall plumb. We'd make about 10-15
cuts and then hack it out with a claw hammer. Good enough :)
[email protected] (Bruce) wrote in message
(snip)
> > What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
> another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
> that may have been easier in the first place.
Bruce,
I use a single sided sled (like Norm's) for dados. Depending on the
tilt of your saw one side of the dado blade will be stationary.
Rob
For that particular type of work, I normally use a Skilsaw and a
chisel. I have done a lot of it, never had any fail and couln't see
spending a whole lot of time on it. However, I appreciate it when
someone does. I just don't have time. Plus I grew up on a farm where
such things were looked down upon (i.e.-expensive).
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:27:56 GMT, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
>This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
>ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
>made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
>them for the shelves to sit in.
>
>Here is a picture:
>
>http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
>
>Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there is
>way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board on
>top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back and
>forth.
>
>I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished with
>this one:
>
>http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
>
>All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the bottom.
>The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
>
>OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
>the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
>through it and cut out a big section :)
>
>What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
>another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
>that may have been easier in the first place.
>
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
> the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> through it and cut out a big section :)
>
> What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
> another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router?
If I was making these supports, I would use a circular saw and cut out a
series of cuts,between the dado end marks, and cut out the waste with a
chisel or plane. Not that it matters to anyone, but I believe I've seen
Norm do something like this. Also, one could argue that cuts like these are
reason enough to keep your radial arm saw.
Larry
--
Lawrence L'Hote
Columbia, MO
http://home.mchsi.com/~larrylhote
http://home.mchsi.com/~llhote
Speaking of which, I'm reading Jim Tolpin's *Table Saw Magic,* and he
talks about a sled with a removeable insert for different kerfs, etc.
His plans/descriptions leave just enough detail out so that a novice
like me can't figure the details needed to construct his jigs. If one
can tell me how he attaches this throat plate, I'd appreciate it.
Otherwise, Bruce, I hope this post inspires you to create your own
replaceable insert sled.
FWIW, I've quickly done those laps/dados in 2x4s with a circular saw
and a speed square (?), and broke out the wafers between with good
results. Not furniture grade, but it works well for projects like
these.
Jamie
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:27:56 GMT, [email protected] (Bruce) wrote:
>This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
>ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
>made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
>them for the shelves to sit in.
>
>Here is a picture:
>
>http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
>
>Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there is
>way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board on
>top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back and
>forth.
>
>I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished with
>this one:
>
>http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
>
>All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the bottom.
>The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
>
>OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
>the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
>through it and cut out a big section :)
>
>What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
>another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
>that may have been easier in the first place.
>
If it were me I would have skipped the dado and just used some lag screws.
-Jack
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
> ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
> made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
> them for the shelves to sit in.
>
> Here is a picture:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
>
> Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there
is
> way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board on
> top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back and
> forth.
>
> I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished with
> this one:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
>
> All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the bottom.
> The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
>
> OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
> the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> through it and cut out a big section :)
>
> What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
> another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
> that may have been easier in the first place.
>
>
That was supposed to be zero clearance inserts.
"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I posted a copy of your ccsled picture to
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking
> with some additional lines sketcked on it and another crude "sketch" of a
> possible method of using multiple sero clearance inserts. Feeedback?
>
>
>
> Opinions on Crosscut sled insert theory
>
> "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
> > ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
> > made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
> > them for the shelves to sit in.
> >
> > Here is a picture:
> >
> > http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
> >
> > Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there
> is
> > way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board
on
> > top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back
and
> > forth.
> >
> > I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished
with
> > this one:
> >
> > http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
> >
> > All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the
bottom.
> > The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
> >
> > OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because
of
> > the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> > through it and cut out a big section :)
> >
> > What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to
make
> > another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
> > that may have been easier in the first place.
> >
> >
>
>
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
: ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
: made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
: them for the shelves to sit in.
:
<snip>
If I were to build these, in the same manner as yours.....
I think I'd slap a 1x2 on there with some screws & glues instead of
doing the joints. After all, it is 2x4 art, might as well mix it up a bit.
After the 1x2 (or 1x2 x 2) is glued & screwed, it will be acting under
compressional forces, not shear, since it's supported by the shelf & 1x2
underneath it. With some preparation on the 2x4, it's possible to actually
do a good job making this look good too.
Ascii art example: (*no fixed font needed*)
0 = narrow edge of vetical 2x4
1 = MDF
2 = Wide edge of horizontal 2x4
3 = 1x2 (or 1x4) glued & screwed in place
00111111111111111111111
00222222222222222222222
00222222222222222222222
003
003
003
003
00111111111111111111111
00222222222222222222222
00222222222222222222222
003
003
003
003
-----
If I did it your way, I'd make a template for a handheld circular saw,
and zip back & fourth 20 times, chisel the rest.
After all, a circ saw is lighter than a wet 2x4, easier to handle.
Template would look like:
0010000000000000000000
0010000000000000000000
0010000000000000000000
0010000000000000000000
2222222222222222222222
0010000000000000000000
0010000000000000000000
0010000000000000000000
0010000000000000000000
>>-->-->-->-->------------
1 is a str8 1x2 (on bottom)
2 is a str8 1x2 (on top)
0 is 1/8th or 1/4 ply stuff.
1 & 2 are perpendicular.
If the left side of saw is against the guide (2) it will cut -->-->-->-->,
which will be your cutting line. Place 2x4 against 1, and cut away.
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In rec.woodworking
> "JackD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >If it were me I would have skipped the dado and just used some lag
screws.
>
> Well, there you have the difference between you and me. I prefer not to
> put shear on the fasteners. These joints distribute the load and are much
> stronger than any lag screwed joints.. I take it you had no advice on how
> to cut them since you wouldn't have cut them?
It looks to me like there's 24 dado cuts involved. I'd have made a cut out
template guide made out of a piece of 3/4" plywood and used that with a
router and a straight bit with a ball bearing guide.
I have several sleds in different sizes, including a dedicated dado sled.
--
Ross
www.myoldtools.com
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
> ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
> made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
> them for the shelves to sit in.
>
> Here is a picture:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
>
> Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there
is
> way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board on
> top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back and
> forth.
>
> I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished with
> this one:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
>
> All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the bottom.
> The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
>
> OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
> the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> through it and cut out a big section :)
>
> What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
> another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
> that may have been easier in the first place.
>
>
"Bruce" wrote
> OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
> the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> through it and cut out a big section :)
>
> What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
> another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
> that may have been easier in the first place.
>
I have a small sled to use with the dado. But with long stock I might use
the big sled and make multiple cuts with the saw blade and finish it with a
chisel. Or, make multiple cuts with a circular saw. Or, use the router.
I wouldn't run the dado through my big sled.
"Lawrence L'Hote" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:R4L9b.476631$Ho3.80254@sccrnsc03...
>
> "Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because
of
> > the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> > through it and cut out a big section :)
> >
> > What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to
make
> > another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router?
Make a fixed miter gauge, kind of like a sled, but use it backwards, so you
are pushing the stock against the sled, with the stock resting on the table.
If you screw a sacrificial piece on the edge of the sled closest to the
stock, it will give you a place to line up the mark of the dado to be cut.
A good zero clearance shoe, and you will be set.
--
Jim in NC
I posted a copy of your ccsled picture to alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking
with some additional lines sketcked on it and another crude "sketch" of a
possible method of using multiple sero clearance inserts. Feeedback?
Opinions on Crosscut sled insert theory
"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This weekend I built some heavy shelves for the garage. I used 5/8" MDF
> ripped in half to make 2' x 8' and boxed that in with 2 x 4 material. I
> made 4 of these then the uprights were 2 x 4s with a 4-1/4" dados cut in
> them for the shelves to sit in.
>
> Here is a picture:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/shelf.jpg
>
> Well, cutting those dados was a bitch, especially the ends because there
is
> way too much 2x4 hanging off the saw. I use roller stands with a board on
> top of them for support but there is still too much wobble moving back and
> forth.
>
> I decided it was time for the cross-cut sled and and nearly finished with
> this one:
>
> http://home.swbell.net/snaphook/Pics/cc_sled.jpg
>
> All I need to do is add the stop block hardware, scale and wax the bottom.
> The runners are HDPE and slide really nice.
>
> OK, here is the problem. The whole reason for building it was because of
> the dado problem. Now that I've built it, I don't want to run a dado
> through it and cut out a big section :)
>
> What do you guys do in a situation like that? I really don't want to make
> another sled. Should I just hog 'em out with the router? I'm thinking
> that may have been easier in the first place.
>
>