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"Highland Pairos"

10/11/2005 11:02 AM

Working with Ipe decking

Currently on the job, we are building a curved deck that is being decked
with 5/4 Ipe. We have used Ipe a great deal in the past but never on a
curved deck. We have been kicking around ideas about how to cut the decking
to final length. My current favorite idea is to rough cut it to length and
then rout it to final length with a flush trim bit.

What can I expect routing the endgrain of Ipe? I am thinking that I will
first rout it with a couple of layers of tape on the piece that the bearing
will ride on, then remove the tape and make a final pass removing only a
small amount.

I know that Ipe is tough on cutters. I have approximately 60 ft of decking
to rout. Should I plan on more then one bit? What will the problems be,
(i.e., tearing burning, all of the above)? What combination of bit speed
and router speed should I use?

I plan on doing some experimenting today and we will hopefully be doing the
final work on Friday. Any thoughts would be appreciated as there is little
room for error.

SteveP.


This topic has 7 replies

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"ed_h"

in reply to "Highland Pairos" on 10/11/2005 11:02 AM

10/11/2005 11:13 AM

I just did this in the Spring. We have a deck that includes most of a
16-food diameter circle, and one other corner that has a 36-inch
radius. The deck is 4/4 ipe, nominal 6-inch width, laid diagonally,
but the entire perimeter is flat 1 x 8 ipe. I installed the diagonal
field boards first, leaving them long. I then marked the radius with a
pencil and metal strap pivoted at the center of the curves. I used a
skill saw to cut within maybe 1/8 of the pencil line. I then attached
a router to the metal strap, and went around the circumference with a
new straight bit. The one bit did the entire job, but was noticably
duller at the end.

I considered putting little wedges between the boards to reduce
splitting at the edge of the boards, but the splitting didn't seem too
bad, so I didn't bother. I then did a 3/32 roundover of the cut edge,
and applied Anchor Seal on the endgrain.

I cut and fitted an MDF pattern for the curved 8 inch perimeter boards,
and used it to make the boards out of glued-up ipe, each one a
45-degree segment.

I'm pretty happy with the way it looks. I'm now working on a
pipe-and-cable railing.




Highland Pairos wrote:
> Currently on the job, we are building a curved deck that is being decked
> with 5/4 Ipe. We have used Ipe a great deal in the past but never on a
> curved deck. We have been kicking around ideas about how to cut the decking
> to final length. My current favorite idea is to rough cut it to length and
> then rout it to final length with a flush trim bit.
>
> What can I expect routing the endgrain of Ipe? I am thinking that I will
> first rout it with a couple of layers of tape on the piece that the bearing
> will ride on, then remove the tape and make a final pass removing only a
> small amount.
>
> I know that Ipe is tough on cutters. I have approximately 60 ft of decking
> to rout. Should I plan on more then one bit? What will the problems be,
> (i.e., tearing burning, all of the above)? What combination of bit speed
> and router speed should I use?
>
> I plan on doing some experimenting today and we will hopefully be doing the
> final work on Friday. Any thoughts would be appreciated as there is little
> room for error.
>
> SteveP.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Highland Pairos" on 10/11/2005 11:02 AM

10/11/2005 1:58 PM


"Highland Pairos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I know that Ipe is tough on cutters. I have approximately 60 ft of
> decking to rout. Should I plan on more then one bit? What will the
> problems be, (i.e., tearing burning, all of the above)? What combination
> of bit speed and router speed should I use?
>
> I plan on doing some experimenting today and we will hopefully be doing
> the final work on Friday. Any thoughts would be appreciated as there is
> little room for error.
>
> SteveP.
>
I am thinking a premium fine tooth blade in a jig saw.

nn

"no(SPAM)vasys" <"no(SPAM)vasys"@adelphia.net>

in reply to "Highland Pairos" on 10/11/2005 11:02 AM

10/11/2005 2:43 PM

Highland Pairos wrote:

> I know that Ipe is tough on cutters. I have approximately 60 ft of decking
> to rout. Should I plan on more then one bit? What will the problems be,
> (i.e., tearing burning, all of the above)? What combination of bit speed
> and router speed should I use?
>
> I plan on doing some experimenting today and we will hopefully be doing the
> final work on Friday. Any thoughts would be appreciated as there is little
> room for error.
>
> SteveP.
>
>

My choice would be a good jig saw followed by a belt sander.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
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LH

Lew Hodgett

in reply to "Highland Pairos" on 10/11/2005 11:02 AM

11/11/2005 2:33 AM

Highland Pairos wrote:
> Not to answer my own question, but I did some experimenting today and found
> that the Ipe routed fairly trouble free. I intentionally went slow and even
> tried to burn the wood, but came out burn free. I am considering putting
> something between each deck board to prevent tearout. The only question not
> answered today is the longevity of the bits. I will hopefully find out more
> about that tomorrow.


Start with CMT bits. I find they keep an edge for a long time.

BTW, ease any corners and sharp edges with a small roundover bit to
minimize, tears, burrs, etc.

Good luck.

Lew

DP

Doug Payne

in reply to "Highland Pairos" on 10/11/2005 11:02 AM

10/11/2005 2:37 PM

On 10/11/2005 2:13 PM, ed_h wrote:

> We have a deck that includes most of a 16-food diameter circle, [...]

You made a deck out of food??? Man, if I did that I'd *never* be able to
get rid of the raccoons! (Sorry, couldn't resist :-)

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Highland Pairos" on 10/11/2005 11:02 AM

11/11/2005 4:05 AM


"Highland Pairos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not to answer my own question, but I did some experimenting today and
> found that the Ipe routed fairly trouble free. I intentionally went slow
> and even tried to burn the wood, but came out burn free. I am considering
> putting something between each deck board to prevent tearout. The only
> question not answered today is the longevity of the bits. I will hopefully
> find out more about that tomorrow.

I have gotten great mileage, better than carbide out of HSS End Mill Bits
routing through slots in Ipe.

HP

"Highland Pairos"

in reply to "Highland Pairos" on 10/11/2005 11:02 AM

11/11/2005 2:23 AM

Not to answer my own question, but I did some experimenting today and found
that the Ipe routed fairly trouble free. I intentionally went slow and even
tried to burn the wood, but came out burn free. I am considering putting
something between each deck board to prevent tearout. The only question not
answered today is the longevity of the bits. I will hopefully find out more
about that tomorrow.

SteveP.

"Highland Pairos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Currently on the job, we are building a curved deck that is being decked
> with 5/4 Ipe. We have used Ipe a great deal in the past but never on a
> curved deck. We have been kicking around ideas about how to cut the
> decking to final length. My current favorite idea is to rough cut it to
> length and then rout it to final length with a flush trim bit.
>
> What can I expect routing the endgrain of Ipe? I am thinking that I will
> first rout it with a couple of layers of tape on the piece that the
> bearing will ride on, then remove the tape and make a final pass removing
> only a small amount.
>
> I know that Ipe is tough on cutters. I have approximately 60 ft of
> decking to rout. Should I plan on more then one bit? What will the
> problems be, (i.e., tearing burning, all of the above)? What combination
> of bit speed and router speed should I use?
>
> I plan on doing some experimenting today and we will hopefully be doing
> the final work on Friday. Any thoughts would be appreciated as there is
> little room for error.
>
> SteveP.
>
>


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