Have a neighbor that is trying to sell a Shopsmith that belonged to her
husband who died a couple years back. Since I'm always in the driveway
working on wood (at least until SWMBO gives the green light for a backyard
garage) she asked me about it and how to sell it. Recommended the local
Trading Post Mag but have no idea what to tell her to ask for it.
Looked at the machine and it appears to have all the standard accessories
plus the bandsaw and jointer attachment. Her husband was the type that took
good care of things so I'm sure it is in excellent condition.
Any body have an idea what she should ask/can get for it? Looked at a couple
of Shopsmith auctions on Ebay but they weren't much help. Thanks.
Oswin
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>> up in price.
>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>> beer.
>>
>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>> any in over a decade.
>>
>>>
>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>> for an average laborer.
>>
>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>
> 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years later.
Well, 1972 I was making $5 per hour - about $225 per week
I was out of the North American labor market for 2003-2004.
I made about $13000 in 1975.
I believe that was close to average - likely on the low side.
2 years later I bought a house for $35000. That house is about
$350,000 today, and I make a LOT less than $130,000
I bought a brand new loaded "suv" in 1976 for about $6500 (Ramcharger
SE 318 automatic 4X4 with full load) Equavalent today $45000 or
more. - about 7 times more
Click on the following link. This is an E-bay search of COMPLETED
Shopsmith listings.This will give you a pretty good idea of current
market value.
http://search-completed.ebay.com/shopsmith_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfisZ2QQfromZR10QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQpriceZ1QQsacatZQ2d1QQsaprchiZQ245000QQsaprcloZQ24100QQsbrsrtZl
Good luck,
Chuck
oswin2461 wrote:
> Have a neighbor that is trying to sell a Shopsmith that belonged to her
> husband who died a couple years back. Since I'm always in the driveway
> working on wood (at least until SWMBO gives the green light for a backyard
> garage) she asked me about it and how to sell it.
Maybe it's worth more as a tax write-off? See if the local high school
or some nonprofit could use it. Need to ask an accountant how big the
receipt for "market value" should be.
She might want to save that one till year's end, and try to sell the
thing in the meantime. But if she just wants it gone in a hurry,
donating it might be fastest.
replying to Dhakala, Phyllis Stadley wrote:
What a GREAT idea! I have one that I have no idea how to use or what it is
worth. My father was a carpenter by trade for a living so only bought the best
of the best. He has passed on now 12 yrs ago. It has been sitting in my
garage taking up space. I need help getting rid of it. It is older, but in
perfect shape.
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/value-of-used-shopsmith-34401-.htm
On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:14:02 GMT, Johnny McCulley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>replying to Phyllis Stadley, Johnny McCulley wrote:
>Shopsmith been sold? Model # and asking price, if not sold?
John your best bet if you want one keep an eye on tools on Craiglist.
https://carbondale.craigslist.org/tls/d/woodlawn-shop-smith-complete/6850681278.html
This one has been on my local Craiglist tool section for a few weeks.
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 11:20:23 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
> >> On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:14:02 GMT, Johnny McCulley
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>=20
> >> >replying to Phyllis Stadley, Johnny McCulley wrote:
> >> >Shopsmith been sold? Model # and asking price, if not sold?
> >>=20
> >> After 14 years what do you think Johnny?
> >
> >Well...=E2=80=A6.. Looking around at some of the stuff I own, and proba=
bly better at what my Dad has, having something sit around for 14 years or =
longer is really not that strange. And given the original post said it was=
a neighbor woman trying to sell her deceased husband's Shopsmith, after he=
had already been dead for several years!!!, it would not surprise me at al=
l if it is still sitting in the exact same spot it was when he kicked the b=
ucket.
> The widow is likely either dead or in a home by now, with the hose
> sold once or twice since.
Who buys stockings that old ladies wore?
On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:14:02 GMT, Johnny McCulley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>replying to Phyllis Stadley, Johnny McCulley wrote:
>Shopsmith been sold? Model # and asking price, if not sold?
After 14 years what do you think Johnny?
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:
>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:14:02 GMT, Johnny McCulley
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>=20
>> >replying to Phyllis Stadley, Johnny McCulley wrote:
>> >Shopsmith been sold? Model # and asking price, if not sold?
>>=20
>> After 14 years what do you think Johnny?
>
>Well...=E2=80=A6.. Looking around at some of the stuff I own, and probably=
> better at what my Dad has, having something sit around for 14 years or lon=
>ger is really not that strange. And given the original post said it was a =
>neighbor woman trying to sell her deceased husband's Shopsmith, after he ha=
>d already been dead for several years!!!, it would not surprise me at all i=
>f it is still sitting in the exact same spot it was when he kicked the buck=
>et.
And the odds that "Phyllis" is still monitoring the news group after
14 years are?
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:14:02 GMT, Johnny McCulley
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >replying to Phyllis Stadley, Johnny McCulley wrote:
> >Shopsmith been sold? Model # and asking price, if not sold?
>=20
> After 14 years what do you think Johnny?
Well...=E2=80=A6.. Looking around at some of the stuff I own, and probably=
better at what my Dad has, having something sit around for 14 years or lon=
ger is really not that strange. And given the original post said it was a =
neighbor woman trying to sell her deceased husband's Shopsmith, after he ha=
d already been dead for several years!!!, it would not surprise me at all i=
f it is still sitting in the exact same spot it was when he kicked the buck=
et.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 16:46:24 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 2:35:51 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 11:20:23 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:14:02 GMT, Johnny McCulley
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >replying to Phyllis Stadley, Johnny McCulley wrote:
>> >> >Shopsmith been sold? Model # and asking price, if not sold?
>> >>
>> >> After 14 years what do you think Johnny?
>> >
>> >Well...
.. Looking around at some of the stuff I own, and probably better at what my Dad has, having something sit around for 14 years or longer is really not that strange. And given the original post said it was a neighbor woman trying to sell her deceased husband's Shopsmith, after he had already been dead for several years!!!, it would not surprise me at all if it is still sitting in the exact same spot it was when he kicked the bucket.
>> The widow is likely either dead or in a home by now, with the hose
>> sold once or twice since.
>
>Who buys stockings that old ladies wore?
It was the garden hose, but no diff - I gotta get my keyboard
recalibrated again.
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 11:20:23 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 9:00:45 AM UTC-5, Markem wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Apr 2019 12:14:02 GMT, Johnny McCulley
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >replying to Phyllis Stadley, Johnny McCulley wrote:
>> >Shopsmith been sold? Model # and asking price, if not sold?
>>
>> After 14 years what do you think Johnny?
>
>Well...
.. Looking around at some of the stuff I own, and probably better at what my Dad has, having something sit around for 14 years or longer is really not that strange. And given the original post said it was a neighbor woman trying to sell her deceased husband's Shopsmith, after he had already been dead for several years!!!, it would not surprise me at all if it is still sitting in the exact same spot it was when he kicked the bucket.
The widow is likely either dead or in a home by now, with the hose
sold once or twice since.
I do not know where you are from but the ability to sell one probably
depends on the size of your classifieds marketplace. I know Shopsmith has a
following of avid enthusiasts and if you find the right person she might
sell it.
You might take a look at EBAY and note machines that have bids. I just took
a quick look and found machines with bids run from $250 to around $650.
There are also some in the $1,200 range without bids. There are also SS
users groups including a Yahoo users group -
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSusers/. Try googling some of these groups
and see if there are users in your area.
RonB
I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in =
a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carp=
ort and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate =
and the training projects made one familiar with the different configuratio=
ns. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive=
electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjus=
tment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table o=
ver them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and =
that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press...=
.more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , l=
ike most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The =
Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It does=
n't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools =
but I've never regretted the purchase.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:08:49 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 3/28/2018 11:29 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>>>> up in price.
>>>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>>>> beer.
>>>>
>>>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>>>> any in over a decade.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>>>> for an average laborer.
>>>>
>>>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>>>
>>> 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years later.
>>
>>
>> I bought a brand new loaded "suv" in 1976 for about $6500 (Ramcharger
>> SE 318 automatic 4X4 with full load) Equavalent today $45000 or
>> more. - about 7 times more
>>
>
>Fully loaded to day is a LOT different than fully loaded then. I
>suspect today you get a lot more with fully loaded, or even partially
>loaded.
More toys but nomore capability to push a plough or boost vehicles -
it was my "service truck" - power windows and doors, AC, Stereo, Full
time 4wd, V* with 150 amp alternator and dualbatteries.
On top of that I bought the Frink plow and the "curbsider" booster
cables (50feet of welding cable).
I had 10 grand in the completed rig. The only options I didn't have
from the factory was the big engine (400cu in) and the roof rack
(which was a dealer installed "factory" option)
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>regretted the purchase.
>>>
>>
>>
>>IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>up in price.
> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>beer.
Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
any in over a decade.
>
> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>for an average laborer.
I think your wage estimate is high.
On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 1:52:39 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>=20
> >On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
> >> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipmen=
t in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the=
carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable =
rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configu=
rations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expe=
nsive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado =
adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the ta=
ble over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change=
and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill pre=
ss....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop an=
d , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc.=
The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It=
doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated t=
ools but I've never
> >regretted the purchase.
> >>=20
> >
> >
> >IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe=
=20
> >a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone=
=20
> >up in price.
> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
> beer.
>=20
> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
> for an average laborer.
The cheaper ShopSmith Mark V is $3559 today on their website. If $800 was =
two weeks pay back then, the average laborer made $20,800 in 1978. Seems h=
igh. Maybe it was three weeks pay for $800. That would be average pay of =
$13,600 in 1978. Based on a Google search I did, I found annual income in =
1978 of $17,700. So two to three weeks for the average worker.
But today the cheaper ShopSmith is $3559. If that is two weeks pay today, =
then the buyer is earning $92,534 per year. That is a lot more than the av=
erage pay in the USA. If its three weeks pay, then we are talking about a =
yearly pay of $60,503. Almost exactly the median income in the USA in 2017=
.
If the $800 in 1978 is accurate and the $3559 today, it takes the average w=
orker 2-3 weeks of income to buy a ShopSmith.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:45:00 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 1:52:39 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>> >> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>> >regretted the purchase.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>> >a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>> >up in price.
>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>> beer.
>>
>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>> for an average laborer.
>
>The cheaper ShopSmith Mark V is $3559 today on their website. If $800 was two weeks pay back then, the average laborer made $20,800 in 1978. Seems high. Maybe it was three weeks pay for $800. That would be average pay of $13,600 in 1978. Based on a Google search I did, I found annual income in 1978 of $17,700. So two to three weeks for the average worker.
>
>But today the cheaper ShopSmith is $3559. If that is two weeks pay today, then the buyer is earning $92,534 per year. That is a lot more than the average pay in the USA. If its three weeks pay, then we are talking about a yearly pay of $60,503. Almost exactly the median income in the USA in 2017.
>
>If the $800 in 1978 is accurate and the $3559 today, it takes the average worker 2-3 weeks of income to buy a ShopSmith.
So, however you run the numbers, the price of the Shopsmith really
has NOT gone up very much - which was my point.
(if it has, in reality, gone up at all)
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"BillinGA" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in
>a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the
> >carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable
>rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different
> >configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely
>on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease
>of >dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you
>lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any
> >setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table)
>to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a
> >larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm,
>router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the
>time >of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when
>compared to dedicated tools but I've never regretted the purchase.
My father got a new in the crate Shopsmith with a jointer and scroll saw
from a retired Boy Scout Scoutmaster around 1960... His troop gave it to him
when he retired but he had no interest in woodworking and sold it at a good
discount off retail. The Shopsmith still resides in my father's shop. I
started using it when I was very young making jig saw puzzles at first and
then moved on to using the drill press, jointer and table saw. Switching
between options isn't a big deal... I was doing it as a kid (though the
jointer seemed to weigh a ton to me back then!).
After using my big stationary tools I find the Shopsmith inadequate but it
has served my father well for nearly 60 years... and he can still get parts
for it! He upgraded the motor to a larger one when Shopsmith had a sale on
them. That was a good move as the original was grossly underpowered for
table saw use... It doesn't look a whole lot different from the Mark 5 they
sell today.
Paula L ODELL <[email protected]> writes:
>replying to oswin2461, Paula L ODELL wrote:
>I have a wood lathe that was inherited to me and I have no clue in how to use
>it nor would I want to. How much are they worth?
Technically it was bequeathed to you. You inherited it.
They can be worth nothing, or upwards of $1000. It depends on the
brand, model and condition.
In article <JEMJe.85491$%Z2.38122@lakeread08>, [email protected] says...
> Have a neighbor that is trying to sell a Shopsmith that belonged to her
> husband who died a couple years back.
>
> Any body have an idea what she should ask/can get for it? Looked at a couple
> of Shopsmith auctions on Ebay but they weren't much help. Thanks.
>
If it's a fairly recent model (last 10-15 years?), I've seen similar go
for $800-$900 at estate sales. I've seen newspaper ads in the $1000-
$1500 range, but don't know if they sold for that.
If it's an older model (Shopsmith's been around a long time) it could go
as low as $200-$300 even in great condition.
--
BNSF = Build Now, Seep Forever
Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>regretted the purchase.
>>>
>>
>>
>>IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>up in price.
> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>beer.
>
> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>for an average laborer.
In 1978, the U.S. minimum wage was $2.65/hr. That's 300 hours (or almost
five weeks) to pay for the shopsmith (assuming no other expenses for
that month). So, in reality, $800 probably used at least six
months of discretionary income for the average laborer, if not more.
(taxes, fica reduce the top end, then there are day-to-day living
expenses, so it probably would take over a year for someone to save
$800 for a shopsmith).
$10.00/hr in 1978 was rare, particularly for an average laborer (I was
getting $7/hr with shift differential in a starch factory about then
which was generous).
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On 3/28/2018 10:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/28/18 10:13 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking
>>>>>> equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would
>>>>>> roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered
>>>>>> classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made
>>>>>> one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed
>>>>>> motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics.
>>>>>> Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment
>>>>>> comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the
>>>>>> table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any
>>>>>> setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much
>>>>>> table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was
>>>>>> able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a
>>>>>> table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my
>>>>>> financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do
>>>>>> any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated
>>>>>> tools but I've never
>>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today,
>>>>> maybe
>>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has
>>>>> gone
>>>>> up in price.
>>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>>> beer.
>>>
>>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>>> any in over a decade.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>>> for an average laborer.
>>>
>>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>>
>> Â Â 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years
>> later.
>
> That was darn good money back then.
>
>
I could not complain, I also had the perk of a new demonstrator vehicle
every 6K miles, gasoline, and insurance.
Having said that I was in my early to mid 20's at the time and my
equal's, at other dealerships, were in the 6 figure range. Dealerships
in Houston back then paid their very managers well.
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:29:40 -0400, "oswin2461" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Have a neighbor that is trying to sell a Shopsmith that belonged to her
>husband who died a couple years back. Since I'm always in the driveway
>working on wood (at least until SWMBO gives the green light for a backyard
>garage) she asked me about it and how to sell it. Recommended the local
>Trading Post Mag but have no idea what to tell her to ask for it.
>
>
Depending where you are I might be interested.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:29:17 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>>> up in price.
>>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>>> beer.
>>>
>>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>>> any in over a decade.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>>> for an average laborer.
>>>
>>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>>
>> 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years later.
>
>
> Well, 1972 I was making $5 per hour - about $225 per week
> I was out of the North American labor market for 2003-2004.
> I made about $13000 in 1975.
In 1972 I was making $1.85/hr (20 hrs per week). I think my wife was
making $2/hr.
>I believe that was close to average - likely on the low side.
> 2 years later I bought a house for $35000. That house is about
>$350,000 today, and I make a LOT less than $130,000
>
>
>I bought a brand new loaded "suv" in 1976 for about $6500 (Ramcharger
>SE 318 automatic 4X4 with full load) Equavalent today $45000 or
>more. - about 7 times more
pyotr filipivich wrote:
> [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) on Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:24:58 GMT
> typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> Paula L ODELL <[email protected]> writes:
>>> replying to oswin2461, Paula L ODELL wrote:
>>> I have a wood lathe that was inherited to me and I have no clue in how to use
>>> it nor would I want to. How much are they worth?
>>
>> Technically it was bequeathed to you. You inherited it.
>>
>> They can be worth nothing, or upwards of $1000. It depends on the
>> brand, model and condition.
>
> As I said earlier: value to whom? value as what?
>
Hey, this one is on its way to becoming a family heirloom!
[email protected] (Scott Lurndal) on Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:24:58 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>Paula L ODELL <[email protected]> writes:
>>replying to oswin2461, Paula L ODELL wrote:
>>I have a wood lathe that was inherited to me and I have no clue in how to use
>>it nor would I want to. How much are they worth?
>
>Technically it was bequeathed to you. You inherited it.
>
>They can be worth nothing, or upwards of $1000. It depends on the
>brand, model and condition.
As I said earlier: value to whom? value as what?
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:34:52 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Mark 5 is $3520
Is that with all the bells and whistles? Or are the extras extra?
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:47:40 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
>>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>regretted the purchase.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>up in price.
>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>beer.
>>
>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>for an average laborer.
>
>In 1978, the U.S. minimum wage was $2.65/hr. That's 300 hours (or almost
>five weeks) to pay for the shopsmith (assuming no other expenses for
>that month). So, in reality, $800 probably used at least six
>months of discretionary income for the average laborer, if not more.
>(taxes, fica reduce the top end, then there are day-to-day living
>expenses, so it probably would take over a year for someone to save
>$800 for a shopsmith).
>
>$10.00/hr in 1978 was rare, particularly for an average laborer (I was
>getting $7/hr with shift differential in a starch factory about then
>which was generous).
Point made then. Minimum wage today here in Ontario is $14. 2 weeks
is 80 hours. Thats $1120.
The "average laborer" does not work for minimum wage.
Average wage around here is about $21 an hour. or $1680 for 2 weeks
work.
At your $7 per hour in '78 it took almost 3 weeks of before tax
earning - so equivalent to about $2580 today
You were "above average" - as you said your $7 was "generouss" - so
equivalent pricing today is LIKELY closer to 6 weeks earnings (@$5 per
hour then) - so about $5160 today.
Mark 7 lists for $4279 US today - or about $5550 Canadian - - - - -
-
On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 22:28:56 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 21:08:58 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:29:17 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>>>>> up in price.
>>>>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>>>>> beer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>>>>> any in over a decade.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>>>>> for an average laborer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>>>>
>>>> 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years later.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, 1972 I was making $5 per hour - about $225 per week
>>> I was out of the North American labor market for 2003-2004.
>>> I made about $13000 in 1975.
>>
>>In 1972 I was making $1.85/hr (20 hrs per week). I think my wife was
>>making $2/hr.
>
>I was a licensed mechanic - Electricians and plumbers made
>significantly more.
I was in college, working for the university as an electronics
technician (slave student type). My wife slung salads in a
restaurant, about that time. ;-)
>>
>>>I believe that was close to average - likely on the low side.
>>> 2 years later I bought a house for $35000. That house is about
>>>$350,000 today, and I make a LOT less than $130,000
>>>
>>>
>>>I bought a brand new loaded "suv" in 1976 for about $6500 (Ramcharger
>>>SE 318 automatic 4X4 with full load) Equavalent today $45000 or
>>>more. - about 7 times more
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>> up in price.
>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>> beer.
>>
>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>> any in over a decade.
>>
>>>
>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>> for an average laborer.
>>
>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>
> 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years later.
But we all know that you're *FAR* from average. ;-)
On 3/28/18 10:13 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking
>>>>> equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll
>>>>> it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered
>>>>> classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made
>>>>> one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed
>>>>> motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics.
>>>>> Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment
>>>>> comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table
>>>>> over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup
>>>>> change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table)
>>>>> to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to
>>>>> have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw,
>>>>> radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and
>>>>> space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function
>>>>> particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today,
>>>> maybe
>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has
>>>> gone
>>>> up in price.
>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>> beer.
>>
>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>> any in over a decade.
>>
>>>
>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>> for an average laborer.
>>
>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>
> Â 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years
> later.
That was darn good money back then.
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>regretted the purchase.
>>
>
>
>IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>up in price.
But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
beer.
In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
for an average laborer.
On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 21:08:58 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:29:17 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/28/2018 8:40 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:52:37 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>>>> regretted the purchase.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>>>> a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>>>> up in price.
>>>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>>>> beer.
>>>>
>>>> Gasoline is cheaper now than it was then. Beer? Dunno haven't bought
>>>> any in over a decade.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>>>> for an average laborer.
>>>>
>>>> I think your wage estimate is high.
>>>>
>>> 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years later.
>>
>>
>> Well, 1972 I was making $5 per hour - about $225 per week
>> I was out of the North American labor market for 2003-2004.
>> I made about $13000 in 1975.
>
>In 1972 I was making $1.85/hr (20 hrs per week). I think my wife was
>making $2/hr.
I was a licensed mechanic - Electricians and plumbers made
significantly more.
>
>>I believe that was close to average - likely on the low side.
>> 2 years later I bought a house for $35000. That house is about
>>$350,000 today, and I make a LOT less than $130,000
>>
>>
>>I bought a brand new loaded "suv" in 1976 for about $6500 (Ramcharger
>>SE 318 automatic 4X4 with full load) Equavalent today $45000 or
>>more. - about 7 times more
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:29:40 -0400, "oswin2461" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Have a neighbor that is trying to sell a Shopsmith that belonged to her
>husband who died a couple years back. Since I'm always in the driveway
>working on wood (at least until SWMBO gives the green light for a backyard
>garage) she asked me about it and how to sell it. Recommended the local
>Trading Post Mag but have no idea what to tell her to ask for it.
>
>Looked at the machine and it appears to have all the standard accessories
>plus the bandsaw and jointer attachment. Her husband was the type that took
>good care of things so I'm sure it is in excellent condition.
>
>Any body have an idea what she should ask/can get for it? Looked at a couple
>of Shopsmith auctions on Ebay but they weren't much help. Thanks.
>
>Oswin
>
The following are the two Shopsmiths that I have purchased. Note that
I had previously inheireted a Shopsmith from my Dad:
1. A 1997 Shopsmith model 510 in good to excellent condition. It
included a bandsaw, a jointer, a strip sander, a DC3300 Shopsmith dust
collector, and all of the appropriate bits, blades, lathe tools,
fences, arbors, 2 - 12" sanding disks and a Forrest WWII blade, etc.
It also included a number of non-Shopsmith stuff such as a DeWalt ROS,
a downdraft sanding table insert, a bunch of wooden wheels, plugs,
dowels, etc. Total proce $1,250. I then sold my 1982 Model 500 in
excellent condition with a bandsaw and jointer along with appropriate
bits, blades, arbors, fences and 1 - 12" sanding disk along with a
spare saw table and fence for the same $1,250.
2. A 1988 Shopsmith Model 500 that clearly had not been used more than
once or twice, probably only to play with it when it was initially
set up. It came with a bandsaw that was still in the box, a belt
sander that was still in the box, a jointer that was still in the box
and a lathe duplicator that was still in the box. Unfortunately, this
had been inheireted by a woman when her dad died and she had just kept
it stored in her basement. She had apparently somehow lost some bits
and pieces including the fence, the drill chuck and some others and it
had some rust on the way tubes. Cleanable, but not excellent condition
due to the rust, but otherwise very good shape and basically unused.
All totaled $650. I spent about $150 getting all the needed bits and
pieces that were missing. This was purchased for my brother so he
ended up with a very nice and essentially new Shopsmith setup fopr
$800. (I got to keep the Lathe Duplicator for my efforts).
Obviously, I was in no hurry to buy so I found a couple of good deals
locally,(no shipping). I sold my 1982 model 500 to the first guy that
answered the ad in the local PennySaver for the asking price with no
haggling so I might have under-priced it.
Dave Hall
On 3/29/2018 11:49 AM, Markem wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:34:52 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Mark 5 is $3520
>
> Is that with all the bells and whistles? Or are the extras extra?
>
Check the web site. ;~)
If you want an electronic speed control it is going to be quite a bit
more expensive.
On 3/27/2018 1:18 PM, Bill wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for
>>>> one. I
>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>> making them.
>>
>> Somebody is.
>>
>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>
>
> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
> involved with.
All in ones are a PIA.
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 2:56:21 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 3/27/2018 1:18 PM, Bill wrote:
> > J. Clarke wrote:
> >> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> RedAce wrote:
> >>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
> >>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for
> >>>> one. I
> >>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
> >>> making them.
> >>
> >> Somebody is.
> >>
> >> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
> >
> >
> > Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
> > involved with.
>
> All in ones are a PIA.
Confucius say:
"Tools that claim to be great at all things are rarely good at anything."
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 11:03:12 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:07:33 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/28/2018 8:56 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> [email protected] writes:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>>>> making them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>>>> involved with.
>>>>
>>>> You're kiddin', right?
>>>
>>> Hey, shopsmith is priced like Festool - $4500!
>>>
>>
>>BUT Systainers do not come that large! ;~)
>
>But you just paint one of those used shipping containers the write
>color scheme.......
>
>Emily Latella should be along shortly.
I thought it would have been Jane Curtain.
On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:12:38 PM UTC-4, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:19:04 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On 3/27/2018 3:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >...
> >
> >> ... The fact that NO ONE copied Shopsmith kind of implies its not a good idea.
>
> Actually there WERE Knock-offs of the Shopsmith.
> Can't remember the name - but there was one that was actually fully
> compatible with all the accessories, but as in MOST Chui-Clone stuff
> internal parts were not interchangeable.
>
> TotalShop?I think was the one major name.
> There were 8 or 9 companies named by Shopsmith in actions re:
> infringement.
> >
Yes, there was a TotalShop.
There was also a SuperShop and an Iron Wood, which looks remarkably like a SuperShop.
On 3/28/2018 4:38 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Minority view: I used a Shopsmith to build an entire kitchen. It was a major PITA to change from one setup to another, but it got the job done. Kinda liked the horizontal boring function, but the teensy table made cutting sheet goods a challenging operation.
>
> My shop at that time was about 40sf in the furnace room of a Civil War era row house. Space is the mother of that invention.
>
You do with, what you have. ;~)
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 00:08:02 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>> making them.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>> involved with.
>>
>> You're kiddin', right?
>>
>
>Not at all. Evidently there are customers for it--retired folks,
>who have downsized, and have deep pockets and very modest project
>goals.
That's not Festool's market and Festool doesn't make junk.
On 12/24/2017 4:44 PM, Time Warp wrote:
> replying to Harv.sr, Time Warp wrote:
> Do you think he still has it after 12 years? Probably best that you don't
> expose yourself to power tools if you're not bright enough to see that this
> dates back to August 2005!
>
If he still has it by now he'd be happy to get 50 bucks for it.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:07:33 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 3/28/2018 8:56 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> [email protected] writes:
>>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>>> making them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>>> involved with.
>>>
>>> You're kiddin', right?
>>
>> Hey, shopsmith is priced like Festool - $4500!
>>
>
>BUT Systainers do not come that large! ;~)
But you just paint one of those used shipping containers the write
color scheme.......
Emily Latella should be along shortly.
replying to Harv.sr, Time Warp wrote:
Do you think he still has it after 12 years? Probably best that you don't
expose yourself to power tools if you're not bright enough to see that this
dates back to August 2005!
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/value-of-used-shopsmith-34401-.htm
[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>> making them.
>>>
>>> Somebody is.
>>>
>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>
>>
>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>> involved with.
>
> You're kiddin', right?
>
Not at all. Evidently there are customers for it--retired folks,
who have downsized, and have deep pockets and very modest project
goals.
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 3/28/2018 3:33 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Agreed! Once proficient with demoing the machine at a trade show you can
>> go from one set up to another relatively quickly.
>> BUT try setting it up to the same set up you had previously when you have
>> an interruption and change to a different set up.
>
>> BUT! The New Yankee Workshop started of with a ShopSmith.
>
> Mostly used as a drill press as I recall Norm saying!
And a lathe IIRC. ;~)
Yeah... he did use it as a lathe too. I don't recall ever seeing him use it
as a table saw. I think the Shopsmith was Russell Morash's if I remember the
story correctly.
-MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/27/18 11:08 PM, Bill wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still
>>>>>>> looking for one. I
>>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details
>>>>>>> about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would
>>>>>> probably still me
>>>>>> making them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to
>>>> get
>>>> involved with.
>>>
>>> You're kiddin', right?
>>>
>>
>> Not at all. Evidently there are customers for it--retired
>> folks, who have downsized, and have deep pockets and very
>> modest project goals.
>
>
> They are the time-shares of woodworking tools.
> The two happiest days of a ShopSmith owner's life are the day he
> buys it and the day he sells it.
Yes, I understand. Remember, I was the one who didn't even
realize that they are still in production....
J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> RedAce wrote:
>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>
>>
>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>> making them.
>
> Somebody is.
>
> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
involved with.
>
>> When I saw them demo'ed at the woodworking shows when I was
>> still too young to have a drivers license, I immediately thought "I've
>> got to get one of those someday!". Turned out, I found alternate ways to
>> to incur higher cost. ; ) Maybe it make more sense if someone is
>> working out of a one car garage, and he or she doesn't have to worry
>> about the value/cost of his or her time.
>>
>> If there's a Shopsmith "cult" online, I would share the details of what
>> you have to sell there.
On 3/28/2018 3:33 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon"Â wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Agreed! Once proficient with demoing the machine at a trade show you
>> can go from one set up to another relatively quickly.
>> BUT try setting it up to the same set up you had previously when you
>> have an interruption and change to a different set up.
>
>> BUT! The New Yankee Workshop started of with a ShopSmith.
>
> Mostly used as a drill press as I recall Norm saying!
And a lathe IIRC. ;~)
Minority view: I used a Shopsmith to build an entire kitchen. It was a ma=
jor PITA to change from one setup to another, but it got the job done. Kin=
da liked the horizontal boring function, but the teensy table made cutting =
sheet goods a challenging operation.=20
My shop at that time was about 40sf in the furnace room of a Civil War era =
row house. Space is the mother of that invention.
On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:05:58 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me=20
> >making them.
>=20
> Somebody is.
>=20
> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>=20
I'm guessing he means competition from other non Shopsmith manufacturers. =
Similar to the way Festool's tracksaw now has competition from Mafell, DeWa=
lt, Makita, and soon Bosch. Apparently ever company thinks track saws are =
wonderful. For the do everything Shopsmith market, you do have multi funct=
ion machines sold by MiniMax and Felder/Hammer. And maybe another European=
company too. But comparing a MiniMax or Felder/Hammer to a Shopsmith migh=
t get you clubbed in the head until dead by anyone who owns a MiniMax or Fe=
lder/Hammer. They aren't really comparable. There is some saying that goe=
s something like imitation is the best form of flattery. The fact that NO =
ONE copied Shopsmith kind of implies its not a good idea.
On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:05:58 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >RedAce wrote:
> >> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
> >> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
> >> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
> >
> >
> >If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
> >making them.
>
> Somebody is.
>
> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>
My favorite feature:
"A new removable safety switch"
...because who needs a new safety switch when a old regular switch will work just fine. ;-)
-MIKE- <[email protected]> on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 23:20:04 -0500
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>They are the time-shares of woodworking tools.
>The two happiest days of a ShopSmith owner's life are the day he buys it
>and the day he sells it.
Great line.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>> making them.
>>
>> Somebody is.
>>
>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>
>
>Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>involved with.
You're kiddin', right?
On 3/28/2018 10:21 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/28/18 10:05 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/27/2018 8:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> Snip
>> \
>>>
>>> Most people who owned them just enjoy to tinker around with them and
>>> show them off to they neighbors. They rarely even build anything
>>> with them.
>>>
>>>
>> Agreed! Once proficient with demoing the machine at a trade show you
>> can go from one set up to another relatively quickly.
>> BUT try setting it up to the same set up you had previously when you
>> have an interruption and change to a different set up.
>>
>> BUT! The New Yankee Workshop started of with a ShopSmith.
>
> Probably explains why the set master I referred to had one.
> He worked for a PBS station.  :-)
>
>
I highly suspect that the one Norm used belonged to the production guy,
like the shop. Sponsors probably dictated an upgrade to what they
manufactured. IIRC a Delta contractors saw and finally a Unisaw.
And then a belt sander suitable for flattening the surface on an air
craft carrier. ;~)
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:22:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:56:09 -0500 typed
>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On 3/27/2018 1:18 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for
>>>>>> one. I
>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>> making them.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>> involved with.
>>
>>All in ones are a PIA.
>
> All in ones invariably find you needing the other setup without
>changing this one, to 'fix' something.
And it's impossible to get the thing set up for the first operation
exactly the same way. I worked for a guy that had one. He was always
running up against this problem. OTOH, he lived in a trailer and
there wasn't a lot of extra room. He'd never own one, if he had any
other option.
[email protected] on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:55:22 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:22:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:56:09 -0500 typed
>>in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On 3/27/2018 1:18 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for
>>>>>>> one. I
>>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>>> making them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>>> involved with.
>>>
>>>All in ones are a PIA.
>>
>> All in ones invariably find you needing the other setup without
>>changing this one, to 'fix' something.
>
>And it's impossible to get the thing set up for the first operation
>exactly the same way. I worked for a guy that had one. He was always
>running up against this problem. OTOH, he lived in a trailer and
>there wasn't a lot of extra room. He'd never own one, if he had any
>other option.
House mate was storing one, I got to use it. Drag it out, set it
up, tweak it, tweak it some more, run it.
Really keen, but if I could have afforded better, I'd get it too.
RIght now, I don't have the room to store it, let alone use it. (I
don't have the space to store a whole lot of things I wish I had. Band
saw for one.)
tschus
pyotr
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:56:09 -0500 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>On 3/27/2018 1:18 PM, Bill wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for
>>>>> one. I
>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>> making them.
>>>
>>> Somebody is.
>>>
>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>
>>
>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>> involved with.
>
>All in ones are a PIA.
All in ones invariably find you needing the other setup without
changing this one, to 'fix' something.
--
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Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
On 3/27/2018 11:08 PM, Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking
>>>>>> for one. I
>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>> making them.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>> involved with.
>>
>> You're kiddin', right?
>>
>
> Not at all. Evidently there are customers for it--retired folks, who
> have downsized, and have deep pockets and very modest project goals.
In that case they would be getting rid of their ShopSmith and buying
Festool.
On 3/27/2018 8:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
Snip
\
>
> Most people who owned them just enjoy to tinker around with them and
> show them off to they neighbors. They rarely even build anything with
> them.
>
>
Agreed! Once proficient with demoing the machine at a trade show you
can go from one set up to another relatively quickly.
BUT try setting it up to the same set up you had previously when you
have an interruption and change to a different set up.
BUT! The New Yankee Workshop started of with a ShopSmith.
On 3/27/2018 3:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 10:05:58 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>> making them.
>>
>> Somebody is.
>>
>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>
>
> I'm guessing he means competition from other non Shopsmith manufacturers. Similar to the way Festool's tracksaw now has competition from Mafell, DeWalt, Makita, and soon Bosch. Apparently ever company thinks track saws are wonderful. For the do everything Shopsmith market, you do have multi function machines sold by MiniMax and Felder/Hammer. And maybe another European company too. But comparing a MiniMax or Felder/Hammer to a Shopsmith might get you clubbed in the head until dead by anyone who owns a MiniMax or Felder/Hammer. They aren't really comparable. There is some saying that goes something like imitation is the best form of flattery. The fact that NO ONE copied Shopsmith kind of implies its not a good idea.
>
Actually there was a different brand that offered a ShopSmith like
clone, IIRC in the 80's or 90's.
On 3/28/2018 8:56 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> [email protected] writes:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>> making them.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>> involved with.
>>
>> You're kiddin', right?
>
> Hey, shopsmith is priced like Festool - $4500!
>
BUT Systainers do not come that large! ;~)
On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 01:48:14 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> I may have to downsize but the shop won't get too much smaller. ;-)
>
>All I need is a simple 4 room house: Bedroom, Bathroom, Kitchen, and living
>room.
We "need" a lot more than that but perhaps not all five bedrooms[*].
;-) My issue is the yard, though. I have to hire someone to mow the
1.5acres, now. :-(
>
>The shop, OTOH, needs to be a intelligently partitioned 128'x128' space!
If that's a basement, your four rooms are pretty good size!
[*] SWMBO once asked why we need 3600ft^2. My answer was that we
wanted a large master suite, w/walk in closets, a large kitchen, and a
formal dining room. These things don't come in a small house.
-MIKE- <[email protected]> on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:23:25 -0500
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>Most people who owned them just enjoy to tinker around with them and
>show them off to they neighbors. They rarely even build anything with
>them.
You definitely have to have the "tinker with stuff" gene.
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On 3/27/2018 3:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
...
> ... The fact that NO ONE copied Shopsmith kind of implies its not a good idea.
The were introduced in a different time, different environment and
primarily for a specific type of clientele. Just having a limited
market doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a good idea -- only that niche
markets don't support mass production and high volume.
My uncle after the end of WW II started his interior decorating business
and cabinet shop with nothing more than a Shopsmith and some
Craftsman-type hand tools and succeeded to build the largest Armstrong
dealership in the state with it as the only power tool for quite a
number of years. He was still using it regularly albeit not for
everything as initially when I was helping set tile on weekends to earn
a few extra bucks while at university nearly 15 years later and it still
had a place in the shop when he retired/sold the business after almost 40...
As production equipment for a large shop with the "veritable plethora"
of imports and benchtops they're no longer as attractive; even for the
casual weekender the mobile stuff is now small enough can actually do
something with it to make room but back then that just was not an option.
--
On 3/27/18 5:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 15:22:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:56:09 -0500 typed
>> in rec.woodworking the following:
>>> On 3/27/2018 1:18 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for
>>>>>>> one. I
>>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>>> making them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>>> involved with.
>>>
>>> All in ones are a PIA.
>>
>> All in ones invariably find you needing the other setup without
>> changing this one, to 'fix' something.
>
> And it's impossible to get the thing set up for the first operation
> exactly the same way. I worked for a guy that had one. He was always
> running up against this problem. OTOH, he lived in a trailer and
> there wasn't a lot of extra room. He'd never own one, if he had any
> other option.
>
I used to work at a university that taught media production.
The college ran the local PBS radio and TV stations.
They had a full-time set master who had been there for decades.
The set shop was up on the top floor, hidden away from everything. It
also had a locker room and showers... apparently for all the
non-existent carpentry crew. I swear the guy probably lived up there.
Anyway, the only shop power tool he had was a big ShopSmith and the
thing was pristine. I never saw any sawdust in that shop.
The TV studio's set hadn't changed in a decade or longer. I remember
when they did make a change, it took the guy the entire school year and
following summer to build the new set.
I remember going up there one time to ask if he could cut something for
me that I was using to build some shelves in my storage closet.
I stood there and watched him take about 20 minutes to set up the
ShopSmith to rip a couple boards. Then about another 20 minutes to set
it up to cut them to length for me.
He asked if I wanted him to bore the holes I had marked. I made some
excuse that I had a meeting or something. I didn't want to be there
another hour while he putzed around setting the drill press section up
and taking his sweet time wasting taxpayer dollars on his cushy state
government job.
Part of this was due to the fact that he had a permanent position in a
government that he was going to coast downhill through all the way until
retirement.
But the other part was that stupid ShopSmith. Since that day the
ShopSmith, for me, has always been a metaphor for people who get paid to
spend the most time possible to do the least amount of work possible.
Most people who owned them just enjoy to tinker around with them and
show them off to they neighbors. They rarely even build anything with
them.
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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 3/27/18 11:08 PM, Bill wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking
>>>>>> for one. I
>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>> making them.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>> involved with.
>>
>> You're kiddin', right?
>>
>
> Not at all. Evidently there are customers for it--retired folks, who
> have downsized, and have deep pockets and very modest project goals.
They are the time-shares of woodworking tools.
The two happiest days of a ShopSmith owner's life are the day he buys it
and the day he sells it.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 3/28/18 10:05 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/27/2018 8:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
> Snip
> \
>>
>> Most people who owned them just enjoy to tinker around with them and
>> show them off to they neighbors. They rarely even build anything with
>> them.
>>
>>
> Agreed! Once proficient with demoing the machine at a trade show you
> can go from one set up to another relatively quickly.
> BUT try setting it up to the same set up you had previously when you
> have an interruption and change to a different set up.
>
> BUT! The New Yankee Workshop started of with a ShopSmith.
Probably explains why the set master I referred to had one.
He worked for a PBS station. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com
On 3/28/18 10:44 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/28/2018 10:21 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/28/18 10:05 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2018 8:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>> Snip \
>>>>
>>>> Most people who owned them just enjoy to tinker around with
>>>> them and show them off to they neighbors. They rarely even
>>>> build anything with them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Agreed! Once proficient with demoing the machine at a trade show
>>> you can go from one set up to another relatively quickly. BUT try
>>> setting it up to the same set up you had previously when you have
>>> an interruption and change to a different set up.
>>>
>>> BUT! The New Yankee Workshop started of with a ShopSmith.
>>
>> Probably explains why the set master I referred to had one. He
>> worked for a PBS station. :-)
>>
>>
> I highly suspect that the one Norm used belonged to the production
> guy, like the shop. Sponsors probably dictated an upgrade to what
> they manufactured. IIRC a Delta contractors saw and finally a
> Unisaw.
>
> And then a belt sander suitable for flattening the surface on an air
> craft carrier. ;~)
LOL.
Having worked for the State and knowing some of their weird purchasing
requirements, he may have had other motivation for buying it.
They may have had a policy stating you could only purchase one major
tool for whatever grant they got to pay for it.
However, I suspect he just fell in love with the hype like most guys who
buy them and wanted one for himself and let the State fund it. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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RedAce wrote:
> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
making them. When I saw them demo'ed at the woodworking shows when I was
still too young to have a drivers license, I immediately thought "I've
got to get one of those someday!". Turned out, I found alternate ways to
to incur higher cost. ; ) Maybe it make more sense if someone is
working out of a one car garage, and he or she doesn't have to worry
about the value/cost of his or her time.
If there's a Shopsmith "cult" online, I would share the details of what
you have to sell there.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:06:36 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 3/27/2018 11:08 PM, Bill wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking
>>>>>>> for one. I
>>>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>>>> making them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody is.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>>> involved with.
>>>
>>> You're kiddin', right?
>>>
>>
>> Not at all. Evidently there are customers for it--retired folks, who
>> have downsized, and have deep pockets and very modest project goals.
>
>In that case they would be getting rid of their ShopSmith and buying
>Festool.
I may have to downsize but the shop won't get too much smaller. ;-)
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:19:04 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3/27/2018 3:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>...
>
>> ... The fact that NO ONE copied Shopsmith kind of implies its not a good idea.
Actually there WERE Knock-offs of the Shopsmith.
Can't remember the name - but there was one that was actually fully
compatible with all the accessories, but as in MOST Chui-Clone stuff
internal parts were not interchangeable.
TotalShop?I think was the one major name.
There were 8 or 9 companies named by Shopsmith in actions re:
infringement.
>
>The were introduced in a different time, different environment and
>primarily for a specific type of clientele. Just having a limited
>market doesn't necessarily mean it isn't a good idea -- only that niche
>markets don't support mass production and high volume.
>
>My uncle after the end of WW II started his interior decorating business
>and cabinet shop with nothing more than a Shopsmith and some
>Craftsman-type hand tools and succeeded to build the largest Armstrong
>dealership in the state with it as the only power tool for quite a
>number of years. He was still using it regularly albeit not for
>everything as initially when I was helping set tile on weekends to earn
>a few extra bucks while at university nearly 15 years later and it still
>had a place in the shop when he retired/sold the business after almost 40...
>
>As production equipment for a large shop with the "veritable plethora"
>of imports and benchtops they're no longer as attractive; even for the
>casual weekender the mobile stuff is now small enough can actually do
>something with it to make room but back then that just was not an option.
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>RedAce wrote:
>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>
>
>If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>making them.
Somebody is.
<http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>When I saw them demo'ed at the woodworking shows when I was
>still too young to have a drivers license, I immediately thought "I've
>got to get one of those someday!". Turned out, I found alternate ways to
>to incur higher cost. ; ) Maybe it make more sense if someone is
>working out of a one car garage, and he or she doesn't have to worry
>about the value/cost of his or her time.
>
>If there's a Shopsmith "cult" online, I would share the details of what
>you have to sell there.
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Agreed! Once proficient with demoing the machine at a trade show you can
>go from one set up to another relatively quickly.
>BUT try setting it up to the same set up you had previously when you have
>an interruption and change to a different set up.
>BUT! The New Yankee Workshop started of with a ShopSmith.
Mostly used as a drill press as I recall Norm saying!
[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I may have to downsize but the shop won't get too much smaller. ;-)
All I need is a simple 4 room house: Bedroom, Bathroom, Kitchen, and living
room.
The shop, OTOH, needs to be a intelligently partitioned 128'x128' space!
Puckdropper
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[email protected] writes:
>On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:18:21 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:47:18 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RedAce wrote:
>>>>> replying to Harv.sr, RedAce wrote:
>>>>> I have a Shopsmith I am looking to sell if you are still looking for one. I
>>>>> would have to get my husband to get some of the details about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they were such a "wonderful idea", someone would probably still me
>>>> making them.
>>>
>>> Somebody is.
>>>
>>> <http://www.shopsmith.com/>
>>
>>
>>Actually, its seems like a pretty good product for Festool to get
>>involved with.
>
>You're kiddin', right?
Hey, shopsmith is priced like Festool - $4500!
All over the map around here. A friend just went through weeks of trying to
sell one that was part of a bigger deal. I think a couple of months and
$450. I don't like them at all, because of the inconvenience, but I know
people do do small stuff successfully.
Wilson
"oswin2461" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:JEMJe.85491$%Z2.38122@lakeread08...
> Have a neighbor that is trying to sell a Shopsmith that belonged to her
> husband who died a couple years back. Since I'm always in the driveway
> working on wood (at least until SWMBO gives the green light for a backyard
> garage) she asked me about it and how to sell it. Recommended the local
> Trading Post Mag but have no idea what to tell her to ask for it.
>
> Looked at the machine and it appears to have all the standard accessories
> plus the bandsaw and jointer attachment. Her husband was the type that
> took
> good care of things so I'm sure it is in excellent condition.
>
> Any body have an idea what she should ask/can get for it? Looked at a
> couple
> of Shopsmith auctions on Ebay but they weren't much help. Thanks.
>
> Oswin
>
>
>
BillinGA <[email protected]> on Wed, 28 Mar 2018 03:55:05 -0700 (PDT)
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>regretted the purchase.
Exactly. It beats not having whatever it is you need.
I just don't have the space right now for a shop smith. Or
anything else, for that matter.
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:25:07 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:47:40 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>
>>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> writes:
>>>On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:15:03 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 3/28/2018 5:55 AM, BillinGA wrote:
>>>>> I bought one in 1978. I was limited to keeping my woodworking equipment in a 4x 8 carport storage room. When needed, I would roll it out onto the carport and cut/turn away. Shopsmith offered classes at a very reasonable rate and the training projects made one familiar with the different configurations. The variable speed motor is plenty strong and doesn't rely on expensive electronics. Still runs well after all these years. The ease of dado adjustment comes to mind as the blades are right there and you lower the table over them for use. I've never taken 20 minutes to make any setup change and that includes going from a "table saw" (not much table) to a drill press....more like 5-6 minutes. Since then I was able to have a larger shop and , like most others, acquired a table saw, radial arm, router tables, etc. The Shopsmith met my financial and space needs at the time of purchase. It doesn't do any one function particularly well when compared to dedicated tools but I've never
>>>>regretted the purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>IIRC in 1978 the Shop Smith was about 1/3rd the price it is today, maybe
>>>>a bit less, I was thinking $800 or so. Like everything else it has gone
>>>>up in price.
>>> But not as fast as the average wage, or the price of Gasoline, or
>>>beer.
>>>
>>> In 1978 $800 was a pretty sizeable chunk of cash!! A good 2 weeks pay
>>>for an average laborer.
>>
>>In 1978, the U.S. minimum wage was $2.65/hr. That's 300 hours (or almost
>>five weeks) to pay for the shopsmith (assuming no other expenses for
>>that month). So, in reality, $800 probably used at least six
>>months of discretionary income for the average laborer, if not more.
>>(taxes, fica reduce the top end, then there are day-to-day living
>>expenses, so it probably would take over a year for someone to save
>>$800 for a shopsmith).
>>
>>$10.00/hr in 1978 was rare, particularly for an average laborer (I was
>>getting $7/hr with shift differential in a starch factory about then
>>which was generous).
>
Mark 5 is $3520
[email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:29:17 -0400, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> 1979, I was making about $1125 every two weeks, double that 5 years later.
>>
>>
>> Well, 1972 I was making $5 per hour - about $225 per week
>> I was out of the North American labor market for 2003-2004.
>> I made about $13000 in 1975.
>
> In 1972 I was making $1.85/hr (20 hrs per week). I think my wife was
> making $2/hr.
1972 Ford Pinto, $1990 new, out the door.
This was the one no one wanted to be "rear-ended" in.
Rolled over 100K too. Clutches were pricey ($400-600).